O’Sullivan on Dotcom

August 28th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Fran O’Sullivan writes:

It’s ridiculous that the New Zealand political system can be gamed by an international businessman with criminal convictions who bought his way into this country via the Investor Plus scheme. That businessman subsequently avoided extradition attempts. Then bankrolled a new political party to the tune of $3 million to “take down John Key” and is now openly colluding with Julian Assange to drop a political bomb just five days out from the election.

has long been resisting US Government attempts to extradite him to the United States to face allegations of racketeering and money-laundering over the use of his former file-hosting site Megaupload.

Now Dotcom’s palled up with the redoubtable Assange, who took refuge in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London to avoid extradition by the Swedish Government over alleged sexual offences.

Both men seem fairly unenthuiastic to actually turn up to a trial!

You can just imagine the phone calls between the pair.

“This is better than playing Call of Duty, Julian … You can take down a whole Government in this country, all you need is money and some politicians happy to go on the payroll.”

Dotcom has plenty of supporters who feel he was hard done by over the super-hyped raid on the Coatesville mansion. There are big issues still to be addressed.

But it’s notable that while he has flung more than $3 million into the Internet Party – even putting on the payroll a former Alliance Cabinet minister whose politics are vastly different from his – he won’t brook informed questions over what’s really gone on in the Coatesville sandpit when it comes to getting out his chequebook to buy political influence.

Thus he has tried to legally constrain his former bodyguard Wayne Tempero from speaking to media about the lead-up to the birth of the Internet Party.

This is remarkably thin-skinned. If Dotcom has nothing to hide, why would he be concerned about what Tempero has to say?

If he was just a businessman, it would be understandable. But we have the effective leader of a political party gagging former staff from speaking up. If you enter politics, then gagging people is a bad look.

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61 Responses to “O’Sullivan on Dotcom”

  1. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    What does Laila say about the Assange connection?
    Come on Laila, have you any principles left or have you totally SOLD OUT!!

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  2. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  3. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    He’s no “businessman” and our politicians (blue and red) should all hang their heads in shame for the way they sell residency to the dodgy.

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  4. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    milkme’s comments are udderly ridiculous.

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  5. freemark (581 comments) says:

    Milk Me spends a lot of time milking himself…

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  6. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  7. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    While I will be celebrating when Dotcon finally boards a plane bound for the U.S., he has exposed how easily our Mickey Mouse political system is vulnerable to this kind of interference and also exposed just how hypocritical the far-left are in word and deed. I thank him for that.

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  8. Ed Snack (1,883 comments) says:

    Suffering a touch of KDS there Milk Me ? KDC is an absolutely typical conman, I’ve met him (briefly) and he conforms to me experience with several of the type; he can be personally charming, appears very sympathetic to you, appears to listen (sometimes !), and can very very “likeable”. He is also patently amoral, dishonest, and predatory. When dealing with conmen one always has to remember that being “likeable”, plausible, and sympathetic is their stock-in-trade, it’s how the make their shtick WORK. So always remember, you’re the potential mark, they’re the only one who will benefit.

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  9. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    “Dotcom has plenty of supporters who feel he was hard done by over the super-hyped raid on the Coatesville mansion. There are big issues still to be addressed.”

    Yes. the big issue is Intellectual Property Rights and we need to put this idiotic concept to bed. Hollywood is a dead and dying industry full of liberal pukes being paid much more than they are worth to make movies that are full of cultural Marxist crap.

    Freedom should not be the casualty of breathing life into this rotting corpse. The restrictions on personal liberty that the concept of IPR bring with it are unacceptable in a civilised society. The suggestions put forward by fans of IPR to make their idiotic concept work involve massive enforcement regimes and expanded govt powers that are unacceptable.

    There are plenty of civil remedies already in existence for dealing with IPR. Its not a govt issue, and Hollywood has realised this now and is taking a civil rather than criminal approach with big changes to its attempted prosecution of KDC.

    The armed raid with helicopters and SWAT teams should never have happened and if we had here in NZ a govt that cared about personal liberty rather than being buddies with Hollywood puke merchants it wouldn’t have happened.

    You might not like KDC on a personal basis, but the truth is the National govt brought all of this upon itself by agreeing to the unjustified over the top illegal FBI raid at Coatesville. (Not to mention the illegal spying that preceded it.)

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  10. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Ed Ed Ed , And so blinded by the light you cannot see that your benelovent overlord John Key is the biggest conman of them all and a bullshitter of the highest order to boot.
    Or are you going to tell me that Key does not lie? Go on.

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  11. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    Ed Snack (1,782 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 10:24 am
    Suffering a touch of KDS there Milk Me ? KDC is an absolutely typical conman, I’ve met him (briefly) and he conforms to me experience with several of the type; he can be personally charming, appears very sympathetic to you, appears to listen (sometimes !), and can very very “likeable”. He is also patently amoral, dishonest, and predatory. When dealing with conmen one always has to remember that being “likeable”, plausible, and sympathetic is their stock-in-trade, it’s how the make their shtick WORK. So always remember, you’re the potential mark, they’re the only one who will benefit.

    you are describing exactLY JOhn Key

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  12. Lindsay Addie (1,529 comments) says:

    Milk Me,

    You’re really funny, but it is even funnier to read people’s replies and reactions to your posts. :)

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  13. waikatogirl (457 comments) says:

    Milk Me
    I thought people with your philosophy of life believe that the more $$ they have the more dishonest they are. That just doesnt fit with your argument eh!
    yoga.
    So you would be happy for someone to steal your ideas/work. I guess you don’t have anything worth protecting from theft

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  14. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Good one Freemark, that will go down as retort of the year.

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  15. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    Troll test for Milk Me: “The US governments extradition attempts are a crock of shit” Why?

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  16. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Lindsay. Yeah it makes me smile no end. Keep it up eh.

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  17. pseudonymous (74 comments) says:

    Milk me- you are either a wind up merchant or decidedly dumb as a sack full of spanners.
    I’ve met them both- JK and KDC-and I know which of these I would trust-JK by a street.
    So remove your head from your bottom-wake up and smell the roses and get a grip

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  18. Nigel Kearney (1,017 comments) says:

    Dotcom is perfectly entitled to spend his money as he sees fit. The voters can judge him and his party employees accordingly. People, even political figures, should be able to have bodyguards without wondering if they will quit and subsequently reveal confidential information. We shouldn’t force them to put themselves in danger by sending their bodyguards anyway when they want to have a conversation that might embarrass them later. That’s unreasonable, not to mention dangerous.

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  19. Lance (2,657 comments) says:

    @Milk Me
    Afraid of Americans?

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  20. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Afraid of Americans?, hell yes, I’m married to one. Plus I’ve lived there for 7 years so I know a little bit about them. Morons in the main. 22% passport holders. NZ you’ll be happy to know is up by Sweden.

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  21. Lance (2,657 comments) says:

    @Milk Me

    LOL

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  22. Ed Snack (1,883 comments) says:

    Never met JK so simply cannot comment. I would point out that I have rather more experience with conmen than I would wish (a former ex father in law was one !) the experience is essentially non-professional. And there was one aspect with these people that I think interesting, all of them had a pattern of past convictions; often for minor(‘ish) offences often related to dishonesty if not always directly for fraud. They also all had very chequered relationship histories which I ascribe (again, non-professionally) to their basic personality type, they’re too dishonest in all respects to be able to sustain a genuine relationship. They may have children, in fact a couple had several by different women (including, in one case, 7 {known to me}, by 3 women including a mother and daughter and the next door neighbour !).

    On the face of it, Key fits none of my experience, he’ has no (known to me) previous convictions of any sort and certainly not for offenses associated with dishonesty, and he is in a long term apparently stable relationship with children. So he may be an extremely succesful conman who can hide his “true nature”, but I doubt it myself, all politicians have a core of dishonesty but Key appears to keep it pretty well under control.

    Whereas, on the face of it KDC fits my experience really well. He has a history of offenses all related to dishonesty in a variety of ways. He is also frequently in dispute with people he employs and is a known bad payer; he’s also known to be extremely dishonest with regard to his assets.

    As far as I’m concerned, if I had a choice who I would trust in a business deal, it would be no contest, I wouldn’t touch KDC with a bargepole of epic proportions. Key might drive a hard bargain, and I’d want to be sure of the legalisms (he’s a politician after all), but mutual benefits, a deal would work.

    Experience, it ain’t evidence in a scientific sense, but I recommend it for personal dealings.

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  23. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Assange is an accused two time rapist who fled from the law. It is like Internet Mana are celebrating a rape culture. What next? A celebrity endorsement from the Beast of Blenheim?

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  24. thePeoplesFlag (247 comments) says:

    The meta-data I take from this post is Farrar’s internal polling for the government has the Internet party doing really, really well.

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  25. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    And National at 97%

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  26. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    “Assange is an accused two time rapist who fled from the law.”

    I’m no fan of Assange but let’s have some truth here. Otherwise what is it that makes you better than Assange?

    Assange’s so called rape charges come about as a result of idiotic laws driven by feminist ideology. He had consensual sex but removed his condom unbeknown to the woman.

    Assange is a dirty little commie but he’s no rapist in the true sense of the word. To compare him to the Beast of Blenheim is just an unwarranted smear of the kind that suggests there’s little of real worth on your side of the argument.

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  27. redeye (629 comments) says:

    Intellectual Property Rights do not only apply to music and movies. The software industry also uses IPR to protect it’s hard work. Ironically the party now professing to be on the side of IT professionals was funded by the same money made from facilitating the piracy of privately owned and developed software.

    There was an abundance of privately developed and owned software available on Megaupload.

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  28. edd (157 comments) says:

    Dotcom paid off the National party to get his residency if I’m not mistaken…

    Gee that came back around and bit hard didn’t it.

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  29. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    “Intellectual Property Rights do not only apply to music and movies.”

    Yes that is true but its Hollywood chasing KDC.

    As for software, take it to the civil courts. Get a judgment there and I have no problem with govt being used to enforce that judgment.

    But setting up huge govt spying agencies and demanding legislation that has enormous impact upon civil liberties is not something I will ever support.

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  30. OneTrack (3,112 comments) says:

    Yoza – “Assange is hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid being extradited to the US”

    Assange is hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid being arrested and sent to Sweden following the Stockholm District Court upholding an arrest warrant against Assange on suspicion of rape, unlawful coercion and three cases of sexual molestation.

    FIFY

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  31. kowtow (8,517 comments) says:

    milkme says “NZ you’ll be happy to know is up by Sweden.”

    That’s from whence Arseange fled,musntn’t be such a great place ,if a hero of the left won’t go back.

    Sweden is to the fore in the multicultural progressive destruction of traditional European values, one reason it was so admired by Helen?

    Anyway ,Swedish governments are destroying Sweden.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/swedens-collapse-every-swede-pays-months-wages-to-finance-immigration-48-billion-kroner-still-needed-beyond-budgeted-amounts

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  32. Lance (2,657 comments) says:

    @Red
    So you think that NZ faces no risk whatsoever from people with evil intent?

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  33. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    One of the women reported that she woke to find that Assange was having sex with her while she was asleep and wasn’t using a condom.

    Citation – http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

    The guy is a creep. It comes as no surprise to see that you’re defending him.

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  34. anonymouse (716 comments) says:

    Although there is one good thing to have come from the whole Internet Mana- Krim Dot Com thing

    The Greens have stopping sanctimoniously banging on about the National Party sckewing the election with hidden trusts and other forms of “evil money”

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  35. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    OneTrack (2,782 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Yoza – “Assange is hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid being extradited to the US”

    Assange is hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid being arrested and sent to Sweden following the Stockholm District Court upholding an arrest warrant against Assange on suspicion of rape, unlawful coercion and three cases of sexual molestation.

    FIFY

    It is not even remotely plausible that the Swedish government wants Assange so he can face sex charges, they originally let him go and allowed him to travel to Britain. This is about handing Assange over to US authorities through the channel of least resistance – in this case Sweden. The US is out to make examples of both Kim Dotcom and Julian Assange, that is the entire story.

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  36. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    edd

    Pray tell when and by how much and to whom?

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  37. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    The pay off to Dot Krim and Assange by Labour and The Greens and Mana will be the scrapping of the extradition treaty with the evil United States.

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  38. Ed Snack (1,883 comments) says:

    “It is not even remotely plausible that the Swedish government wants Assange so he can face sex charges, they originally let him go and allowed him to travel to Britain. This is about handing Assange over to US authorities through the channel of least resistance – in this case Sweden.”

    Get yer tin foil hats cheap !

    Here’s our famous “rape culture” in action: It’s OK when we do it #waronwoman

    ps:try this: http://www.newstatesman.com/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

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  39. Richard (859 comments) says:

    Convicted of 11 counts of computer fraud and 10 counts of data espionage in Germany and convicted of embezzlement and Insider Trading also in Germany after being deported from Thailand where he had fled to avoid investigation and attempted to fake his own death online. Moved to Hong Kong and later fined by the Hong Kong Securities and Futures Commission for deliberate failure to disclose his shareholdings to investors in his supposedly artificial intelligence-driven hedge fund which never delivered annuals return of 25% as claimed to investors. He is now facing serious charges of online piracy, including racketeering, conspiring to commit copyright infringement, and conspiring to commit money laundering and possible deportation to answer foresaid charges in the U.S. Has boasted online that he has ‘hacked ’various political figures in New Zealand and joked about killing ‘hookers’.
    He isn’t a ‘businessman’, Kim Dotcom is a professional Criminal- and in this election he is now attempting his biggest heist yet- the New Zealand government itself

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  40. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    Let’s face it, if kimdotcom was backing your side of things the kiwiblog right’s attitude would be the same as it is with Slater – “he’s a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch”. Some of you would probably call him a “mate”.

    With Assange I don’t think it’s so clear cut. There is such a thing as a “honey trap”, and if I could have thought of names of candidates likely to be set-up and discredited in such a way, Assange would have been at the top of the list.

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  41. redeye (629 comments) says:

    @redbaiter 11:25 am

    “As for software, take it to the civil courts.”

    Would you suggest the same of a small retailer and a shoplifter?

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  42. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Tempero should write his memoirs and save them on a USB stick. Those get mislaid all the time and once you find one, you can make money by printing what is on them. Now that would make the election interesting!

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  43. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Let’s face it, if kimdotcom was backing your side of things the kiwiblog right’s attitude would be the same as it is with Slater

    Since you’ve just turned up (or very recent commenter) you won’t have read the comments about KDC at the time of the raids or since. He’s never had many fans here and the gross assumption that being on the right means you have to like Slater is patently wrong.

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  44. Sarkozygroupie (207 comments) says:

    Thank you Richard for the most succinct and insightful statement yet about Kim Dotcom.

    If only the mainstream media were as talented in their so-called analysis, or what they try and pass off as.

    Now LAILA HARRE convince us why your criminal employer deserves to remain in this country, and why you think working for him has any shred of the decency and moral high ground you constantly lecture New Zealanders on.

    You have found your true level.

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  45. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    Labrator – do you mean ever since kimdotcom started causing trouble for the likes of John Banks and Key, this blog has been predominantly hostile to him?

    Also, I don’t see many right-wingers denouncing Slater, certainly none of the larger blogs.

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  46. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    “Would you suggest the same of a small retailer and a shoplifter?”

    Why would I?

    Shoplifting is a clear cut issue of someone stealing another person’s real property.

    The concept that an “idea” is property is a matter you need to deal with and not something that should cause a million idiotic regulations and the associated enforcement regime to be imposed upon free people.

    If you can’t make money the way things are then its an unworkable concept.

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  47. redeye (629 comments) says:

    The proprietary software that I saw on Megaupload still had all the licensing and ownership details attached. There was no question about ownership. It was stolen. Quite clearly.

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  48. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    Licensing etc is a civil matter.

    “stolen” is something you would have to prove in court.

    To say that a duplicated file is a stolen file, or a duplicated file given to someone else is stolen is not a clear cut case of theft.

    Why weren’t people making cassette tapes prosecuted back in the 70s?

    You want to deal in ideas you deal within the existing parameters. Once again, I think the spying and raid on KDC’s property by completely out of control govt agencies showed just what the concept of IPR would bring to our lives and I do not agree with it.

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  49. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Labrator – do you mean ever since kimdotcom started causing trouble for the likes of John Banks and Key, this blog has been predominantly hostile to him?

    Since you’re a bit lazy, I’ve done some work for you: start here

    He got some sympathy from the raids but even so people weren’t keen on him. Any support he’s had has vanished very quickly. You may think he’s on your team but if the Mana party is still in existence in 2017 I will be surprised.

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  50. redeye (629 comments) says:

    I cant agree redbaiter. Whether your creating software, televisions or underpants you have the right to the same legal protection. I’ve rightly seen the police prosecuting for unlicensed use of brand names without civil cases. Where’s the diff?

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  51. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    The difference between television, underpants and software is pretty clear.

    The two former items are real objects.

    An idea is not.

    If software is an idea that needs thousands of new regulations that intrude upon a persons liberty in order for it to make money for those who market it, then it is in reality not an effective business model.

    If you want to deal in ideas, then making it a profitable business is your problem. You need to seek solutions on your own, not through govt. Those who can’t do it as the law stands now should quit the business. Those are the only real options.

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  52. redeye (629 comments) says:

    And brands/trade marks? They are just ideas but protected by law. What about books? In your world it seems I should be able to photocopy to my hearts content with impunity.

    Can I also add, for someone that appears to spend most of yourl day on your computer/ipad you seem to have very little appreciation for the developers that make your life so public.

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  53. Redbaiter (9,086 comments) says:

    “Can I also add, for someone that appears to spend most of your day on your computer/ipad you seem to have very little appreciation for the developers that make your life so public.”

    I have immense appreciation for them. I just do not think that a business model that requires massive govt intervention is a workable business model.

    You need to think of ways to make that model work that do not involve govt intrusion into the lives of normal people.

    Brands trademarks etc are protected under existing laws that stem from civil agreements relating to trademarks patents etc and when they are breached the law is enforced. These agreements do not require the same degree of enforcement that is required to make the software business model work.

    If you want to make software you need to think of a way to defeat so called pirates yourself and not involve govt and more regulations and outrageous and illegal police actions such as occurred at the KDC home.

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  54. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Just to stay on topic…..

    Dotcom and Assange share some very scary “modus operandi”

    But it appears that Fran O’Sullivan has called them out correctly but I fail to see why the MSM arent exposing the threat and danger that this represents to our country.

    If someone broke into your house……. Would you ring the police?
    If some one offered you some stolen property…….. Would you ring the police?
    If you heard some one breaking into your neighbours property……..Would you ring the police?
    If your neighbour heard some breaking into your property……..Would you expect them to ring the police?

    These are simple values that keep our country and our families safe.

    Are they not worth upholding anymore??

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  55. Gulag1917 (928 comments) says:

    The raid by the police on Dotcom’s property must have had a political input. The police do not normally do that.

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  56. V (720 comments) says:

    This post shows the disturbing ignorance of dpf on a significant matter of importance.

    Why would Assange show up to ‘trial’, when he hasn’t been charged with anything?
    He is wanted for questioning, and there is nothing in Swedish law preventing Swedish prosecutors from travelling to the UK to interview him. Why is it they want him to travel to Sweden where he would be at risk from extradition? Interestingly Sweden has never turned the US down in this regard.
    It is very unclear that the woman involved in this case even filed the complaint in the first place.
    This case is about the disturbing trend of prosecutiing journalists (in this case Wikileaks) who dare to report the truth. In this case the leaked US embassy cables and Iraq war documentation.

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  57. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    What a horrible old trout O’Sullivan is, shamelessly running interference for the corrupt Nats, now that dim-bulb Slater has been exposed for the fraud and hypocrite he is. Here’s an inconvenient little fact. THAT IS HOW THE INVESTOR SCHEME WORKS! You pay bribes, otherwise known as investments, and you are allowed into the country. Here’s another little inconvenient fact. Kim Dotcom’s criminal convictions were well known, but because he had SO MUCH MONEY they were conveniently ignored by Immigration NZ. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Shonkey put in a good word for Dotcom himself! Here’s another inconvenient truth. In Aotearoa you can spend your OWN MONEY anyway you choose, including the funding of your own political party! Or have I missed something here, did we go commie and no-one told me?

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  58. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Lot’s of inconvenient facts which don’t seem to be actual facts.

    Take your meds Dean.

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  59. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “This case is about the disturbing trend of prosecutiing journalists (in this case Wikileaks) who dare to report the truth.”

    Assange is not a journalist. He’s an activist for Islamic terrorists.

    Wikileak’s Assange on U.S. Informants in Afghanistan: “They Deserve to Die”

    New details about the Wikileaks story raise serious questions about site’s journalistic legitimacy.

    “David Leigh of England’s Guardian newspaper has leveled a shocking accusation against Mr. Assange in the special.

    He recalls a meeting he was invited to about the publication of the war memos. He remembers pleading with Assange to redact the names of tribal elders and U.S. informants who were exposed cooperating with the U.S. and could be the subject of deadly retribution. He comments, “Julian was very reluctant to delete those names, to redact them. And we said: ‘Julian, we’ve got to do something about these redactions. We really have got to.'”

    “And he said: ‘These people were collaborators, informants. They deserve to die.’ And a silence fell around the table.””

    http://www.dailytech.com/Wikileaks+Assange+on+US+Informants+in+Afghanistan+They+Deserve+to+Die/article21724.htm

    That’s the real Assange.

    The authorities should stop pussyfooting about, find him, and put a bullet in his head. He’s a traitor working for terrorists. Shoot the scum bag, sooner rather than later.

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  60. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    If you said that to dim-bulb Slater he’d go apoplectic on you!!

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  61. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    If I said it on the Lefty Standard they would ban me. Being good shit eating leftists they are stupid enough to swallow the pro-Assange tripe.

    Your opinion on any subject is of no interest to me.

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