PPTA reaches agreement

August 23rd, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Only a day after the country’s biggest teacher union walked away from the Government’s flagship education policy, secondary school teachers have agreed on an interim deal over it.

Today the Post Primary Teachers’ Association, representing about 18,000 secondary school teachers, reached an interim agreement around how the teaching roles would work as part of the $359 million Investing in Educational Success initiative.

Good to see there is one union not against their members being able to take up roles that pay $10,000 to $50,000 a year more.

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21 Responses to “PPTA reaches agreement”

  1. tvb (4,494 comments) says:

    Use the money for the Primary Teachers and give a general pay increase to the secondary teachers.

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  2. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Glad to see that we won’t have to fire all of the bastards and suggest that they re-apply for their jobs under a non-unionised scenario.

    While that may have been the best plan for education going forward we can at least wait to see if the teacher unions are starting to sense reality! :)

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  3. johnfromkyle (18 comments) says:

    School of 200, would you rather have 10 teachers on same pay scale worked out by tenure, or 9 teachers on pay worked out on skill set and feedback from children and parents.

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  4. spotswood (4 comments) says:

    The two Teacher groups come from a different pedagogy aspects, whereas NZEI sees more merit and effectiveness from having smaller class sizes while at high school, teacher development is more effective. In the ideal world we would love to have small classes and highly trained and motivated teachers and support staff.

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  5. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Perhaps when the Teeche’s get shot of that dreadful bunch of union cunt’s that seem to rule their every move spotswood we may see some progress in what you desire? :)

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  6. Inky_the_Red (761 comments) says:

    It still has to be endorsed by PPTA members so not agreed yet

    edit link added
    http://www.ppta.org.nz/events/consulting-on/3088-interim-agreement-ies

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  7. Anthony (798 comments) says:

    Teacher effectiveness is, if anything, more important at primary school! It takes about five minutes to realise that a primary teacher is not effective! But of course the union believes that poor teachers should be supported and not held accountable!

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  8. burt (8,309 comments) says:

    A union that’s prepared to let workers earn enough they don’t need the union. I guess that’s why they put ‘association’ rather than union in their name.

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  9. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Where’s Bill? :)

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  10. Bill Courtney (162 comments) says:

    I’ve been watching the races, Johnboy. How are you, by the way? Did you have a crack at that $450,000 Triple Trio today?
    Enjoy the rugby tonight.
    Cheers
    Bill

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  11. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Typical Teech Bill.

    Out having fun while our poorest kid’s suffer from deprivation and scoffing that you have Sky Sport while the most deprived can hardly afford to eat Macca’s as a treat!

    Rich pricks like you are a bloody embarrassment to our egalitarian society! :)

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  12. doggone7 (818 comments) says:

    “Good to see there is one union not against their members being able to take up roles that pay $10,000 to $50,000 a year more.”

    Is this mischievous or thick? There is not one union against their members being able to etc. The members are against it. They voted. I read it in the paper so it must be true. I think it was 94% who voted against themselves being able etc.

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  13. Bill Courtney (162 comments) says:

    Johnboy,
    I’m not a teacher, remember?

    What are your thoughts for tonight? The TAB has the All Blacks 12 and under @$2.50 and 13 and over @ $2.25. Odds fairly evenly split, just like they would be for whether we will ever see the IES policy get put into practice, wouldn’t you say?

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  14. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Sorry Bill. I forgot. Your a Leech not a Teech.

    Once the Teechers get freedom from the unions they wont need Leechers like you sucking their paypackets! :)

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  15. Bill Courtney (162 comments) says:

    Johnboy, there’s no need for that sort of talk, really! And how on Earth do you think I am “sucking their paypackets”?

    And please watch the spelling: you’re and not “your” please. They didn’t teach you that at SC, did they?

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  16. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Charlie wondered how I got 72 in School Cert English Bill. I still wonder myself. I wrote a damn good three page essay though.

    Must have been that …it certainly wasn’t the grammar! :)

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  17. Bill Courtney (162 comments) says:

    Good on you! But you didn’t say why you think I am a leech and sucking “their” money??

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  18. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Because you are a lefty spokesperson for the status quo of inferior education Bill and folk like you derive support from the lefty teacher unions.

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  19. Bill Courtney (162 comments) says:

    Sorry to disagree, Johnboy, but I don’t think my kids got an inferior education at Khandallah School, where I was BoT Chair. Neither do I think that political stunts like charter schools will solve all our problems. It’s a lot more complex, I’m afraid.

    Regardless, we shall agree to disagree, as usual.

    I see you are busy over on the other thread. The comment from Dennis Horne struck a chord. I have worked in financial markets for over 30 years, including 9 of those in London. The comment about Bank station brought back memories. I suppose I am just a lot more cynical than you are about all this Neoliberal nonsense just not working, Johnboy.

    I spent too much time in the Balls Brothers winebars in London listening to traders to believe we are in anything other than deep trouble long term. Your man will know that better than anyone else, but you won’t get him to admit it.

    I’m going to sign off now and work out where to put my $10 on the match. Enjoy the game.

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  20. DMS (54 comments) says:

    PPTA has long sought to have the role of Master teachers in schools. In other words, teachers could progress their careers by staying in the classroom teaching rather than being promoted out into administrative roles.
    PPTA remains against performance pay which runs against the notion of collaboration and sharing. They have chosen to run with the Ministry to modify the original concept. I know the idea of using very successful principals being shared by other schools means their effectiveness in their own school will be compromised.
    I note the perpetual myths and union bashing continue on this blog, which is sad. The reality is that within the various union ranks there is a huge institutional knowledge of education within NZ and worldwide which the Ministry simply does not have.

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  21. burt (8,309 comments) says:

    DMS

    I don’t think anyone disagrees that the teachers unions hold vast knowledge via the individuals involved. That’s the case for many unions but that in itself hardly justifies giving unions control. The same can be said of the Business Round Table, it has a vast knowledge of business – but we wouldn’t necessarily let it write government policy for business.

    I fully support any policy that keeps good teachers in the class. It’s fantastic they can have more options than climbing the administration ladder to increase their pay.

    What seems to be apparent at the moment is that the PPTA works better with the government of the day than most teachers unions. Good on them for judging the policy based on what it is rather than what political party it came from.

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