The Conservative Party List

August 23rd, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports their top five:

  1. Colin Craig, property developer
  2. Chistine Rankin, former Head of WINZ
  3. Garth McVicar, founder of the Sensible Sentencing Trust
  4. Melissa Perkin, lawyer, executive director of the New Zealand Bar Association
  5. Edward Saafi, biomedical scientist, PhD and MBA.

Regardless of politics and policies, I have to say that’s a pretty strong lineup.

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78 Responses to “The Conservative Party List”

  1. Redbaiter (9,564 comments) says:

    Good to see some objective comment.

    See the same old anti-Conservative bigotry and hatred pouring out of the Prog Blog Whaleoil again.

    So Craig wants to sue to get what he perceives as fairer treatment on broadcasting allocations.

    Good on him. The political/ progressive status quo has been against him every step of the way and he needs to do things like this.

    And good to see a guy putting his money behind the things he believes in, unlike others whose “beliefs” can be bought.

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  2. OneTrack (3,223 comments) says:

    Chistine?

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  3. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Are you at #6 Red? :)

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  4. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    Slater’s personalized vitriol against Colin Craig appears more and more unhinged. It also undermines any “poor me” tears the gang over there weep re Cameron’s pvtes being published (not that I support that) and any attempts at moral high ground (the whale is deep diving on that one). Cam Oil has the right to privacy like anyone else, but his imprudent use of hyperbole and ass-kicking rhetoric will eventually sour that pool.

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  5. David Garrett (7,534 comments) says:

    Red: How’s YOUR party membership coming along? Anywhere near the 500 yet?

    Or are you, as someone suggests, at number 6? Craig seems to be one of the very few parties/orgs/people that you don’t consider “Prog”

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  6. Scott (1,817 comments) says:

    Good comments DPF, I thought it looked good as well. I think a viable right of centre party with traditional morals could do very well this election. Lord knows Labour has long since abandoned the traditionally minded voter and sadly in recent years National has as well.

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,418 comments) says:

    Any possibility that Garth McVicar’s personal popularity might see a surprise result in Napier? It seems as though National is going to lose the seat, so wouldn’t it be better for them to lose it to the Conservatives than to Labour?

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  8. big bruv (14,147 comments) says:

    “Regardless of politics and policies, I have to say that’s a pretty strong lineup.”

    Indeed. If you removed the Muppet at number one on the list I might even vote for them.

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  9. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    Compare it with Internet Mana. If IM get 2.8% the John Minto the anti-Semitic Communist is a Member of Parliament.

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  10. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    That would move Redbaiter up to no.5 bb.

    Be very careful what you wish for! :)

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  11. David Garrett (7,534 comments) says:

    BB: Just out of curiousity…upon what do you base your view that Craig is a “muppet”?? Is it his silly utterances about the moon landings and chem-trails, or something else? Have you met him?

    I have met the man on a number of occasions, and my view is that is his politically – and perhaps also generally – rather naïve, but he is certainly not a “muppet”.

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  12. Urban_Redneck (103 comments) says:

    Craig’s party isn’t near perfect by any means, but he has the bravery to swim against the progressive tide which has engulfed the rest of our political elite. Swiss style referenda where laws passed by parliament are subject to a 100 day probationary period – and can be killed by referendum is a good thing. For too long these weasels have used private member’s bills to pass social engineering laws either major party wouldn’t dare campaign on.

    I would also like recall petitions, meaning that these politicians all have a sword of Damocles hanging over them – such that, if they don’t perform and conform (or who are unscrupulous grubs like Len Brown) they can perhaps be gotten rid of in a matter of weeks, not perhaps three years. The bloated, complacent political class (NatLab) who rule over us need a major tune up.

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  13. jonno1 (82 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is a property manager (Centurion), not a developer (I couldn’t find that term on the link BTW). Lisa Owen (I think it was) tried that one on him recently and he said he owned only one house. Then she tried the “hidden in trusts” meme and he said no again. So much for her research. Disclosure: I use Centurion’s (and also Crockers’) property management services.

    As an Epsom voter I’m more inclined to vote for Christine Rankin than for David Seymour, although I realise that David is most likely to win the seat. He appears to be a nice guy (but hasn’t knocked on my door yet even though I’ve been staying home waiting for him), however Christine’s political experience runs rings around him.

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  14. backster (2,184 comments) says:

    I agree with Keeping Stock, McVicar would have a huge personal following in Napier and an influential support team, National are going to need the Conservatives.

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  15. mandk (1,017 comments) says:

    Why aren’t National nurturing a working relationship with them, rather than running the risk of having to ally with NZF?

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  16. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    “Any possibility that Garth McVicar’s personal popularity might see a surprise result in Napier? It seems as though National is going to lose the seat, so wouldn’t it be better for them to lose it to the Conservatives than to Labour?”

    None whatsoever. Absolutely zero.

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  17. Chuck Bird (4,924 comments) says:

    “Then she tried the “hidden in trusts” meme and he said no again.”

    It would be good if Lisa Owen pressed Cunliffe about who donated to his secret trust for his primary.

    The answer if she could get it out of him could be very embarrassing.

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  18. Redbaiter (9,564 comments) says:

    “Why aren’t National nurturing a working relationship with them, rather than running the risk of having to ally with NZF?”

    Because National are controlled by Progressives. You want progressive govt vote National. Key even admitted he was leader of a “progressive” govt.

    As for those unhappy with his stance on binding referenda then you can thank the stupified MPs who voted for the far left Louisa wall’s Marriage Redefinition Act and the far left Sue Bradford’s anti-smacking bill for that move.

    Legislation shoved down the throats of those who were strongly opposed by a group of wet liberals on the left and Nat party progs like Cam Slater.

    Naturally there’s a reaction to these very undemocratic unpopular laws and the push for binding referenda is one such reaction. Supporters of this legislation made their bed, now they can lie in it.

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  19. Unity (610 comments) says:

    Yes, it most certainly is an excellent line-up. All decent people and it’s great seeing them putting their hands up (and money!!) and trying to do what’s necessary to get this country back on track. I do hope they get enough votes to get into Parliament. To many of us moan and complain, yet do nothing. Good luck to the Conservatives.

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  20. oldpark (376 comments) says:

    Next few polls .If Conservatives get closer to the magic 5%.Christine Rankin in EPSOM would be the person to vote for in that electorate.Get Christine over the line ,she brings three or four new MPs with her.Beats the hell out of one MP from ACT.Maybe Conservative Party could be the surprise package.

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  21. Bandy (2 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird
    You’re telling me! We all know who at least one of them is and why he’s keeping her secret!

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  22. Redbaiter (9,564 comments) says:

    “Just out of curiousity…upon what do you base your view that Craig is a “muppet”??”

    FFS, why do you think BB is generally referred to as Big Bigot? He’s never got any foundation for any view that withstands the slightest logical scrutiny.

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  23. eszett (2,426 comments) says:

    Slater’s personalized vitriol against Colin Craig appears more and more unhinged.

    Well, he is either pissed off that Colin did not want to pay for his services or someone else is paying him. Would be the first time, would it now?

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  24. Chuck Bird (4,924 comments) says:

    “You’re telling me! We all know who at least one of them is and why he’s keeping her secret!”

    Sorry I am a little naive. I cannot image why.

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  25. Boglio (78 comments) says:

    Jonno1..if political experience only means being elected then yes but if it means non attendance at Council meetings or having to have the agenda items explained to you even when you are the chairman of the committee then the answer must be a resounding NO

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  26. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Very impressive line up I am impressed!!!!

    Personally I think they would make a very good coalition partner.

    Remember a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for a National led Govt and therefore is not a wasted vote – as with Winston First you don’t know what you will get…….

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  27. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    “If IM get 2.8% the John Minto the anti-Semitic Communist is a Member of Parliament.”

    Minto will surely donate his MP’s Salary to charity?? To accept it would be dishonest and hypocritical of him- As he openly detests ‘Rich Pricks’ who earn anything over 50K…

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  28. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    But then again- Meteria Turei claims to be an “Anarchist”
    And she looks likely to be Deputy PM!
    MMP has well and truly fucked this once great country….

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  29. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Thats a Co-Deputy PM Longknives. She’s happy to share with the dreadfully nasal, scrawny little Aussie cunt! :)

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  30. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    No point in slavering over the conservative list. There is no chance that they will get 5%. Colin Craig comes across like the Head Prefect of a private school, trying to convince ordinary people that you can mix bizarre delusions about the world with right wing economic philosophy.

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  31. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    ….” trying to convince ordinary people that you can mix bizarre delusions about the world with right wing economic philosophy”…..

    I’d be hard pressed to counter your argument about Colin’s delusions but I’d never credit him with holding a “right wing economic philosophy”.

    Rather he countenances theft of property rights…..other conservative economic policy is all over the place populist crap crafted to gather small pockets of votes from anywhere they lie.

    The party exists only to return NZ’s morals to a time in the past which in fact never existed outside of the Godnutters’ heads.

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  32. wiseowl (930 comments) says:

    What have you contributed to this country violentrage.?
    Strange name .You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
    I think National should tell Walford to step aside in Napier and get everyone to vote in McVicar.
    Better than Nash and his fire engine.

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  33. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    Now that would ‘one up’ the left and msm.

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  34. Gulag1917 (999 comments) says:

    nasska- “Godnutters” only consisted of 25-30% of NZ and yet the values influenced society for decades and generations.

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  35. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    “Godnutters’”

    Hey narsekisser what is that? Is that the same as the insane rantings of big bigot blouses “sky fairy” ???????????????

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  36. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    Gulag1917

    True believers probably never amounted to more than a quarter of the population but in the 50’s when I was growing up the church reached its tentacles into every facet of everyone’s life. You weren’t forced to attend a church but if you didn’t you faced social ostracism.

    Thankfully that is all in the past…..exactly where it should stay.

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  37. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    Confused again d4j
    God nutters are as special type of sky faerie follower.
    The godnutters epithet is held for those who insist they have the right to dictate every one behave as they believe “their” god tells them.

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  38. mandk (1,017 comments) says:

    @ dad4justice,

    I reckon the reason why atheists need to resort to abusive epithets when talking about believers is that they are actually closet Christians – just like those strident anti-homosexual American politicians and preachers who turn out to be gay themselves :-)

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  39. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    Hold on a minute narsekisser from what I see the Church of today, it does compassionate work with a caring attitude without asking money for services. Why are you so negative towards the good work of Christians?

    Edit – Gripp have another bong just for satan.

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  40. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    wiseowl: you would like to know what I’ve contributed to the country? A lot, imo, but I won’t be posting that here. I doubt the Conservative Party will get 5%. National will not stand aside for McVicar because: 1) they probably don’t believe he would get elected., personal popularity notwithstanding; b) I doubt that National want Colin Craig as a coalition partner. He is far to naïve and is likely to taint the National brand with extremism.

    You think I don’t know what I’m talking about? You are entitled to your opinion, but I suspect I will be proved right post election.

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  41. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    But Communal wine is delicious Griff!! You should try it some time…

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  42. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    ….”Why are you so negative towards the good work of Christians?”…..

    What goes on between consenting adults, even religion, is their own business & not mine. I don’t seek to limit your right to worship & obey anything or any deity you may choose.

    My bitch is when the Godfloggers try to dictate my actions according to the voices in their heads.

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  43. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    ” I doubt the Conservative Party will get 5%”

    Indeed violet , they will get 7.5%

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  44. Gulag1917 (999 comments) says:

    Christians do not call atheists, atheistnutters. At the present rate of slander and abuse the atheists are going to lose.

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  45. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    Gulag the only thing a Christian can do for a atheist is pray for them. They unbeliever types spend their entire lives discrediting something they know is true. Just imagine the inner turmoil they endure?

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  46. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    I always pack port .
    Great for weekend rock fishing tramps.
    Also port is the sun downer of choice on nzsv minnow.
    Colin Craig is not particularly right wing.
    He is also just a little weird
    Why run a top candidate in Epson?
    Win. Win?
    As a win they remove the most economically liberal right wing party.
    Is Redbait advising them ?

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  47. Redbaiter (9,564 comments) says:

    “My bitch is when the Godfloggers try to dictate my actions according to the voices in their heads.”

    Nobody gives a fuck what you do you stupid hillbilly knuckle dragger. Its your innate narcissism that makes you think they do. What other reason could there be for your endless repetition of this baseless infantile allegation?

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  48. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    ….”Nobody gives a fuck what you do you stupid hillbilly knuckle dragger”….

    D4J did. :)

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  49. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    Hey narsekisser you should address that UBF you stupid bent and senile cocky.

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  50. twofish (102 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird –It would be good if Lisa Owen pressed Cunliffe about who donated to his secret trust for his primary.
    The answer if she could get it out of him could be very embarrassing.

    Bandy –We all know who at least one of them is and why he’s keeping her secret!

    A Whaleoil poll suggested one donor may be Mai Chen, which doesn’t seem to be embarrassing or secret any longer, so Bandy thinks he/she knows who the other one is known then?

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  51. Redbaiter (9,564 comments) says:

    Slater seems to have gone real quiet on KDC lately. Getting a bit of his own back may have caused a rethink. Or maybe there’s some other reason….

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  52. big bruv (14,147 comments) says:

    David Garrett.

    Sorry for the delay in my reply, been rather busy.

    As for Colin Craig being a Muppet. I think I am on fairly solid ground there. For a start the man is a religious fundamentalist, that alone is enough for me to run a political mile. When you add in his comments about the moon landings and chem trails, and his ill advised campaign pictures then it is clear that the tag Muppet is a most accurate descriptor.

    I stand by my comment, if you took Colon Craig off the party list I would be hard pushed not to vote for them given the quality of their other candidates. I can swallow a few dead rats when it comes to politics, I can at a push forgive Key for continuing Klarks WFF policy, I can overlook the interest free student loans but I will never be able to swallow the religious dead rat. I do not want anybody close to government who thinks that they have a right to impose their fucked up religious beliefs upon the rest of us.

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  53. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    bruv
    Where have the conservonutters proposed introducing God in to NZ Govt? (more than it already is I mean)

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  54. Gulag1917 (999 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is not that religious, he does not even regularly go to church.

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  55. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    Gulag.
    But he holds prayers at work?

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  56. big bruv (14,147 comments) says:

    “Colin Craig is not that religious, he does not even regularly go to church.”

    Then left him refute his belief in the sky fairy anytime he likes prior to September 20th and I might transfer my party vote his way.

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  57. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    big bruv, you’re a cock.

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  58. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Who cares whether he is or is not very religious.

    He represents a reasonable alternative as a coalition partner from a gaggle of one man bands and extremists

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  59. Griff (8,177 comments) says:

    one man bands and extremists

    Colon Craig conservatives are of course none of the these things
    They may be the alternative : Colons midlife the road forward vote…
    Whinny’s grey set, Possum 1080 bushwhackers…..
    Right wing ?

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  60. Ed Snack (1,926 comments) says:

    The Conservative party’s economic policies are about as “right wing” as Winston’s, which is to say an odd mix of economic nationalism and a sort of old fashioned paternalism. Nassau has it about right, there’s no philosophy, just rank opportunism, although I am surprised he has such as relatively strong team. Ultimately he may well be the difference between a right and left wing victory, most likely he will cause a left wing win by taking 4 % and not winning a seat.

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  61. Gulag1917 (999 comments) says:

    Colville – don’t know, most probably not.

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  62. big bruv (14,147 comments) says:

    Caleb

    Are you from Christchurch at all?

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  63. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/83bbrodn20tmuha/CCCP%205.png?dl=0

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  64. ShawnLH (5,727 comments) says:

    “The party exists only to return NZ’s morals to a time in the past which in fact never existed outside of the Godnutters’ heads.”

    Ah yes, this old Liberal canard.

    The party exists to create a better moral approach than what we have now, not return the country to the past.

    That said, ask anyone over 70 if there was a time you could leave your front door unlocked with little fear of being robbed.

    What changed? Liberalism.

    “…You may have felt you were ready to listen to me as long as you thought I had anything new to say; but if it turns out only to be religion, well, the world has tried that and you can’t turn back the clock. If anyone is feeling that way…

    First, as to putting the clock back. Would you think I was joking if I said that you can put a clock back, and that if the clock is wrong it is often a very sensible thing to do? But I would rather get away from that whole idea of clocks.

    We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turn, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.

    …I think if you look at the present state of the world, it is pretty plain that humanity has been making some big mistake. We are on the wrong road. And if that is so, we must go back. Going back is the quickest way on.” – – C. S. Lewis.

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  65. ShawnLH (5,727 comments) says:

    “For a start the man is a religious fundamentalist, that alone is enough for me to run a political mile.”

    No BB, he’s not. A religious “fundamentalist” (I’ll ignore the fact that this word has been rendered meaningless by liberals) would belong to and go to church regularly. Craig doesn’t. He’s a social conservative with what looks to me like a kind of vague cultural Christianity, and that’s about it.

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  66. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    A list full of achievers. Not a trade unionist , or washed up teacher/academic in sight.
    As for ‘religious nutters'; socialism is a religion too. It’s just a secular one. Christians want to go to heaven when they die. Socialists want to build heaven on earth. We all know how that turns out.

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  67. V (749 comments) says:

    At this point does anyone seriously believe WhaleOil isn’t being paid to put ‘hits’ on Colin Craig? He’s been doing it with daily regularity for at least a year.
    Even if Colin Craig were what Whale says he is – the over the top rhetoric makes it too unbelievable.

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  68. Unity (610 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is not a Christian nor does he attend Church but like many of us does believe in Christian values to live by. I think everyone is going to be surprised and now that he has got some good people on board, he’s going to do a lot better than people think. I would love him to get enough votes to get several people into Parliament. I’m willing his Party to do well. We need change, not more of the same. This country is going down the gurgler big time.

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  69. big bruv (14,147 comments) says:

    “Colin Craig is not a Christian”

    So he has prayers at his business meeting for fun?

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  70. publicwatchdog (2,812 comments) says:

    What’s Colin Craig’s policy on a Capital Gains Tax?

    And ‘dirty politics’ ?

    Penny Bright

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  71. Nookin (3,462 comments) says:

    Why dont you do your own research Penny? Parties generally have a website with policy, press statements etc. have you seen him engage in smear tactics? Has he been at the centre of any dirty tricks? At least we know where you stand. Constantly smearing anyone with whom you disagree.

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  72. IGM (522 comments) says:

    Not one of them leeching from ratepayers, taxpayers or unionists . . . MSM will hate them, they are all successful members of society and support themselves. See the “Public Dog” is ranting against these successful ratepayers already . . . what an old boiler.

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  73. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    “Any possibility that Garth McVicar’s personal popularity might see a surprise result in Napier? It seems as though National is going to lose the seat, so wouldn’t it be better for them to lose it to the Conservatives than to Labour?”

    I think the main effect McVicar standing had is that it’s cemented victory for Nash.

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  74. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    “Not one of them leeching from ratepayers, taxpayers or unionists . . . ” Have you forgotten about Christine Rankin organising expensive lodge retreat weekends as the WINZ boss?

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  75. daniel carter (34 comments) says:

    Are you kidding? With all due respect to those who’ve made millions from property speculating, it’s hardly complex. Look at buffoons like Craig and Bob Jones for proof of that. The next two on the list are known solely for having loud voices that spout reactionary, illogical and insane rubbish. Numbers 4 and 5 have at least achieved something worthwhile in life before entering politics but were overlooked for realistic list positions due to lack of name recognition. The big egos come first and that’s what the Conservatives are actually about – ego. If any of these list get into parliament NZ will suffer as a result.

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  76. laworder (292 comments) says:

    daniel carter wrote

    With all due respect to those who’ve made millions from property speculating, it’s hardly complex. Look at buffoons like Craig and Bob Jones for proof of that.

    Take then you yourself have similarly made your millions from property speculating if its so simple?

    I know I certainly havent and probably couldnt. Nor could I achieve a fraction of what Garth McVicar has in turning around the direction of the justice system (although there is still a huge amount yet to be done). And I know, as I spent 11 years assisting him by managing the Sensible Sentencing Trust website before it was shifted to a new platform.

    I suspect that you couldnt either, for that matter very few here could (or could afford to plough considerable personal resources into the fight for justice as he did). I know my limitations

    Regards
    Peter J

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  77. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    “I think the main effect McVicar standing had is that it’s cemented victory for Nash.”

    Shazzadude, I’m sure you’re right. For all McVicar’s energy and commitment to justice (as he sees it) that is a single issue and not a good basis to put someone in parliament. As for the rest of ‘Craigslist’, the word “strident” comes to mind. There is a shrill, almost hysterical tone to their views. I’m very confident they will get nowhere in this election.

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  78. ChardonnayGuy (1,213 comments) says:

    I suspect that the indescribable will cancel out the unelectable and the Con Party and New Zealand First will hopefully end up cannibalising each others voter shares, resulting in neither being elected to Parliament after September 20. I loathe Winston and his pack of rent-a-bigot geriatric xenophobes, sycophants, Prossers and tossers, just as much as I detest the fundamentalist stealth microparty led by Colin Craig.

    As for McVicar, his partiality toward the Con Party is going to backfire on him big time. I suspect that if, as polls indicate, the Conservatives are dead in the water and he comes a distant third in Napier, Ruth Money may not let him return as SST Director. Which would be a good thing. Where’s the sense in pandering to a marginal microparty that may never be elected to Parliament?

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