The Herald Pref PM rating

August 21st, 2014 at 6:12 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

John Key’s popularity has dived by 8.5 points in the first political poll since Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics was released, according to a Herald DigiPoll survey.

Mr Key is still well ahead of Labour Leader David Cunliffe but Mr Cunliffe has jumped by 4.1 points.

Mr Key is preferred Prime Minister by 64.8 per cent, compared with Mr Cunliffe on 14.6 per cent.

The figures do not necessarily reflect the party vote standings which will be released in tomorrow’s Herald.

What this story doesn’t mention until later on is Key’s rating jumped 8% in the last poll, so this takes it back to where it was two ago. Here’s his rating since the 2011 election:

  • Apr 2012 64%
  • Jun 2012 64%
  • Sep 2012 66%
  • Mar 2013 63%
  • Jun 2013 65%
  • Sep 2013 56%
  • Dec 2013 62%
  • Mar 2014 67%
  • Jun 2014 66%
  • Jul 2014 73%
  • Aug 2014 65%

I’ve never known the Herald to release one part of their poll before the main poll. My guess is that the party vote figures have not moved much, so they released this early to try and get a bad news story in, to justify their frenzy over the Hager book.

National were at 55% in the party vote last poll. There is no way they’ll be that high again. The two polls before that were 50% and 51% so anything at or above that level would be pretty good in my view. And recall this poll is taken entirely after the Hager book was released.

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  1. Unity (584 comments) says:

    I’m sick and tired of hearing about Nicky Hager’s dirty little book and I’m sure many others are. It wouldn’t surprise me if the backlash goes the other way and more people vote for National than otherwise would have, just to balance the books, so to speak, or to thumb their noses up at Hager. No political Party is without their dirty side. It’s the nature of politics. Perhaps the media could find some real news??!!

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  2. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Preferred PM is kinda irrelevant really, it’s really just a poll on how many kiwis know who the Pm is. But, Granny needs a bone to gnaw over I guess.

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  3. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    The one winner from all the “allegations” of sleaze against the big 3 parties appears to be The Conservatives. Not scientific by any stretch but talk around the watercooler is of growing interest and appeal of the integrity that Colin Craig and the Conservatives represent.

    Sure, he may not be “polished” in front of the cameras but there lays part of his appeal. That and the parties primary manifesto pledge of returning part of the democratic process back to the people who are heartily sick of being ruled over and having laws foisted on them.

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  4. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    What a stupid headline.
    Any reasonable unbiased hack would have penned
    “Leader of the opposition still 50 points behind, one month out””
    The MSM are making absolute fools of themselves and I guess tomorrow’s poll will confim this.

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  5. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Sorry Headline was “PM’s Popularity dives”

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  6. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Yes dead earnest – control the language and you control the mind

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-17/control-language-and-you-control-mind

    Or as Orwell said:
    “Political language… is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind”

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  7. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    That’s silly bitch Smalley said on NewsTalk on the way home her Herald contact told her that she would be given the party poll details at midnight and that they are very interesting.

    Note sure what “interesting” means

    Maybe National has jumped up. All the people I know that were kind of National voters are now firmly in the blue camp and are now stating this Hager stuff is complete crap and we just need to keep the left out

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  8. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    From the ‘Herald’ link:

    PREFERRED PRIME MINISTER

    John Key 64.8 (down 8.5)
    David Cunliffe 14.6 (up 4.1)
    Winston Peters 5.1 (down 0.4)
    Russel Norman 3.5 (up 1.5)
    David Shearer 1.5 (down 0.7)
    Helen Clark 1.4 (up 0.9)
    Jacinda Ardern 1 (-0.4)
    Phil Goff 1 (up 0.7)

    Where’s Colin?

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  9. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Southern Raider
    That doesn’t sound good to be honest, given the Herald’s recent efforts.

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  10. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    The MSM need to be taken out and shot like mad cows

    Herald has spent all day having constant updates on the SIS letter and then only at the last moment releases that Key was actually out of the country at the time

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  11. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    TVNZ poll shows only something like 82% of voters actually give a shit about Dirty Politics.

    They still lead with ten minutes of coverage of it tonight. They showed Key, Tucker and the Ombudsman’s response to the issue of whether he knew about Slater’s OIA request or not.

    They then listed it again in a list of ‘claims’ made by Dirty Politics, but failed to state the others that had been definitively disproven or shown to be false.

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  12. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  13. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbx48hfnqy6l25c/Cuckoo%2034.jpg

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  14. Souvlaki (45 comments) says:

    I seriously believe their circulation figures will take a hit from their rabid ,completely irrational anti- Key / National stance. I too, in between appointments this afternoon noticed exactly the same as Southern raider above. Even more hilarious was the hapless Felix Marwick, previous “star” of the day completely eviscerate himself on the Larry Williams show :-)….total twat!

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  15. Hugh Pavletich (217 comments) says:

    Hager is the Lefts only hope.

    Being in a state of civil war, they have nothing coherent and sensible to say.

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  16. stuarts8 (2 comments) says:

    Yes, I am afraid this issue could cost National the election. For Rachel Smalley to say that, It sounds really bad.
    I suspect that this will make it Really hard for National . and this frightens me as we will Get a Red/Green Coalition.
    Interesting though about the TVNZ Poll . The people I talk to don’t care about it either.
    all though some of my left leaning friends do.
    Stuarts8

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  17. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    Where is the Meteria Turei and Russel Norman ‘Dream Team’ on the preferred PM polls?
    Wouldn’t that be just magic??

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  18. FeralScrote (218 comments) says:

    Indeed Penny, at 65% he most certainly smells sweeter than your preferred clown who will be back into single figures before election day.

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  19. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    Sorry, to correct my post from earlier, 82% didn’t give a shit about Dirty Politics. DIDN’T.

    In fact, 4% of people said they felt MORE POSITIVE towards National as a result.

    That’s what you get for trying to Kiwiblog from your phone.

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  20. redqueen (563 comments) says:

    They really are just dragging this out and it’s becoming tiresome how poor ‘journalism’ really has gotten. I’ve simply stopped bothering with the Herald (and Stuff, which is only better in context to how poor the Herald is). Let them continue with this nonsense and they can simply fade into history. As they’ve tried to remain ‘relevant’ (post printed newspapers) they’ve simply exacerbated their own flaws and made themselves intolerable to anyone with an IQ above 100. Bring on a brighter future without them!

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  21. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    What’s the paid circulation of the Hooerald like?

    Why don’t they want as customers the half of Auckland that leans to the Right?

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  22. Monique Angel (291 comments) says:

    Simon Collins alienated the business community of Wellington and shrunk the readership of City Voice. Bastard hasn’t learnt from previous experience. Pass the popcorn.

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  23. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    To me the most interesting party support figures will be the regional breakdown.

    The Wellington beltway, the university(we know best) wankers in Auckland, ChCh , Hamilton, Palm North and Dunedin will show a drop for National, but nothing liked the CminusT “droves” prediction. Outside of those areas there is little interest in the Hager crap.

    If there is one thing that is really noticeable at the moment it is the air hissing from the balloon. Those Hager/Mana/Labour balloons are starting to look pretty soft ……. But even post 20 September, they will have a raft of excuses, like “it was dirty politics” that cost them victory. Tough shit raghead lefties.

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  24. Hugh Pavletich (217 comments) says:

    I was struck by how relaxed PM John Key looks in The Herald e-edition photo (taken today in Christchurch) … with an unusually tranquil looking Recovery Minister Gerry (Bruiser) Brownlee in the background …

    John Key’s popularity dives by 8.5 points – National – NZ Herald News

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11312362

    The stuff / psos poll released 5 August noted in Canterbury 55% support for National, 21% for The Greens and an astonishing low 14% for Labour. Mid last year The Press reported poor polling for Labour in Christchurch as well …

    Greens gain Canterbury support … The Press

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10393381/Greens-gain-Canty-support

    … with points raised on the Kiwiblog comments thread here …

    Greens and Labour in Canterbury … Kiwiblog (note Pavletich comments on thread)

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/greens_and_labour_in_canterbury.html

    Unfortunately to date, we have seen no solid research / analysis and reporting in the MSM on why the Labour support in Christchurch has crashed.

    Historically, it had always been referred to as “The Peoples Republic Of Christchurch”.

    What has happened ? And why ?

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  25. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  26. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Come on Alan. Labour have not got any “front page’ coverage of their policy because of their continued carry on of a non issue.

    The most important news on TV1 was the poll that showed 82% of those polled did not give a stuff about Hagers book. That means even a large proportion of ‘rusted on” Labour voters and die hard Green voters don’t care about it.

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  27. deadrightkev (469 comments) says:

    There is no way that you can spin this into a bad/good news story DPF. If he has gone up 8% since last poll then his popularity has dropped from that level now right?

    You cant take one without the other, the left do that, puh, puh.

    John Key should be junk stock value after reading Hager’s book, based on results since 2008 and the clear collaboration between bloggers and the government and/or prime ministers office.

    Its appalling and anyone that doesn’t think the latest carryon is poor form is in cuckoo land with low standards of ethical behaviour.

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  28. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    If a story is influencing 18% of the voters it’s a massive deal. Huge.

    Labour have been able to travel the country meeting voters in peace. It’s been a good week for them, and they’ve not had to get their hands dirty. The Key brand is being hurt.

    Look, I’m not making any party political points here, I’m making an observation that this process has been bad for National, they’ve been on the defensive for a week. The polls are going to reflect this. Saying “at the end of the day, left wing smear campaign” again and again isn’t working.

    If people don’t recognise that this is hurting National then this place has fallen to levels of self awareness seldom seen outside of a Cantabrian rugby fan.

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  29. KH (695 comments) says:

    “protests to much’ comes to mind. Hager and co have overplayed it to the point where they will be getting a backlash.
    If the media keep stay on this track for one more day. They will be costing labour votes. And more each day they carry on.

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  30. oldpark (331 comments) says:

    To think the personal emails regarding the death of Cam Slaters mothers’ terrible drawn out death by cancer,and consequently the empathy from friends .Wonder why who or what evil person would release emails like that ,to make political gain.Then to sell them for financial gain.Surely the Australian owned Herald,same people who own Newstalk ZB where the heifer lardo programme, sponsored by KPMG ,accounts, Rachel Smalley Israel Hater, spouts her Anti National vile daily, giving full supporting coverage to NZs sicko newspaper.They have a lot in common,misleading statements, and questionable information.

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  31. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    Bollocks Alan. Are you saying the left block only totals 18%?

    It wasn’t a poll of national voters it was a poll of all voters

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  32. georgebolwing (854 comments) says:

    When the media are debating the difference between “told the Prime Minister” and “e-mailed the PM’s office” as if it actually might effect someone’s well-being, you know that the story no longer really matters to anyone other than those doing the debating.

    The figure to watch in tomorrow’s poll will be the “is the country doing in the right direction”. If that continues to hover around 65%, then the election remains a forgone conclusion.

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  33. Bykmad (21 comments) says:

    So, Where is the “Vote Positive”? Cunliffe is like a broken record. Key should resign, all day every day. At this point Labour should be ignoring the fallout and moving on with a positive message and promoting their policies, BUT, as they don’t have any real policies they are simply attacking Key again and again and again. God forbid that these brainless twats actually get the Treasury Benches. We will be a laughing stock. A Banana Republic that can’t even grow Banana’s.

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  34. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    Alan – “Clearly this whole process has been awful for National, Labour has been able to talk about policy for a week …”

    What Labour policy? All we have heard is he said/she said, and occassional interviews of Cunliffe with his”serious”(tm) face on.

    Policy? Nah.

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  35. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Alan

    I cannot remember the exact figures but I think it was 5% thought the book was positive for National and 9 % thought it was negative and the other 5% were don’t know. So it all adds up to no real effect based on that poll.

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  36. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    The Ombudsman was clear this afternoon that “told the PM” was a mistake in the letter and it actually meant told his office.

    Yet TV3 went on the attack, didn’t clarify this and only at the end of the story included a short clip saying that Key was on holiday

    They also didn’t labour on the point that this whole thing was about Goff lying about being briefed about Israelis in ChCh and that Goff got caught our

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  37. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    No, I never suggested anything about the left being 18%

    I don’t recall exactly what the poll said, iirc it said something like 9% of people were less likely to vote national. If this is true, it’s a big thing.

    I don’t know much about the methodologies or sample sizes of the poll. Frankly I’m not that bothered about this poll.

    It’s just obvious that consistent negative press coverage degrades a parties support. It just does.

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  38. radvad (765 comments) says:

    Even though it is not proven I suspect most kiwis can smell Dotcom behind the Hagar novel, and given Kimmy’s litany of hatred towards Key, they will not shift their votes from National in a hurry.
    If Kimmy was not here mouthing off and Hagar released that book then it could well have had a significant affect.

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  39. stuarts8 (2 comments) says:

    I know a lot of my friends who are in business say they will Leave New Zealand if a Labour/Greens Coalition is elected.
    Their Tax and Spend policies are frightening.
    Although I am concerned about 1 thing , Phil Goff says he has p[roof that JK was briefed on the Official information Request by Cameron Slater.
    This really worries me.
    Stuarts8

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  40. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    Even big ears Gower made a real point tonight that the hacker has got some people behind him with real political nous who know how to drip feed info to keep the media chasing the story and keeping the pressure on national

    Laila and McCarten come to mind

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  41. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    FFS Alan

    If I had no testicles and voted left and someone asked me does the sky being blue make you vote national less I would say yes

    You point proves nothing

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  42. holysheet (391 comments) says:

    The best thing that can come out of all this hagar and whaledump shit is the dumbasses on the left will decide they dont give a fuck and stay away on election day.

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  43. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    I bet most party leaders wished they had 8 points to dive and remain in double figures.

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  44. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    Northland Wahine you mean dive 8% and still be 5 times more popular than Cunkiffe :)

    If Cunkiffe dove 8 points he would be behind Norman

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  45. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    I predict a bigger than normal turn out from right wing voters this election so they can stick it to the left once and for all

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  46. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Look at the Hooerald online web site at the moment. Has there ever been a more biased daily newspaper in NZ since the little Labour daily on the West Coast closed 60 or 70 years ago?

    Some of the headings:

    PM’s popularity dives

    PM on the back foot during Christchurch visit

    Inequality in NZ worsens …

    …. Dirty Politics – with friends like these

    …. Dirty Politics – Collins, Ede go to ground

    No tabloid politics – except in politics

    Cunliffe – Sack Judith Collins

    The missing heading:
    Psychiatric patients have taken over the MSM hospitals.

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  47. Bogusnews (474 comments) says:

    I think what this story shows is that the media seem to be losing their sense of what makes an important story. Either they are ignoring the important ones, or hyping the totally unimportant.

    A classic example was climategate. For nearly three weeks the blogosphere was absolutely raging with story’s and comments while the media was blissfully unaware. More recently we have had a succession of negative stories about National (oravida and others) which were clearly beltway issues, yet the media kept flogging dead horses.

    The Hager fantasy novel is the latest example. The Herald is pushing it for all they are worth and quite frankly disgracing themselves by chasing elderly woman over a totally worthless story.

    Give these guys some more rope. They seem to be very good at hanging themselves.

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  48. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    John Key 24 July 2011, interviewed on Q + A while on holiday in Hawaii:
    “Phil Goff was briefed, yeah, that’s right. I personally didn’t brief him, but my understanding from the director of SIS, Warren Tucker, is that he was briefed and he was shown the same note and report that I saw.”

    Face it. John Key has lied. He’s been completely caught out by his own interview. The stupid thing is he needed have done so, he probably would have been better to say ‘Yeah I spoke to Tucker, and so what!’

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  49. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    m@tt et el, no one fucking cares, in fact Hager’s filthy book brought about by Dotcom is having the opposite effect they hoped for.

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  50. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Made the mistake of watching TV1 news. even worse than the Harold.
    Disgusting

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  51. lilman (959 comments) says:

    lol,Smaley is so blonde

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  52. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    You know what’s funny about this? Only a few weeks ago, the beltway hipsters over on Dimpost were absolutely spewing over the Herald’s “pro-John Key bias”. :)

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  53. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    I agree with DPF here. Aunty Audrey is disappointed that National hasn’t suffered much damage in the party vote side. So she has hyped up the drop in percentage on the PM popularity. Also National will drop from the unbelievable high of 55% to 50%-51% and aunty is going to make a huge drama about this for sure…..

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  54. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    I say 46% Nat , and 5% shifting voters. Well big deal you might say but we will win.

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  55. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Red Radio Labour insider shooting herself in the foot…….

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20146529/election-ads-released

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  56. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Well – Labour is being punished!!! National slides but still at 50% which is the average around which National is hovering

    Courtesy: NZ Herald online

    Party vote

    National 50 (down 4.9)
    Labour 25.2 (down 1.3)
    Greens 13.7 (up 3.8)
    NZ First 4.3 (down 0.3)
    Maori Party 0.7 (up 0.2)
    Mana-Internet 2.1 (down 0.1)
    Act 0.6 (up 0.6)
    United Future 0.4 (up 0.4)
    Conservatives 2.6 (up 1.4)
    Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis (down 0.1)

    Preferred Prime Minister

    John Key Nation 64.8 (down 8.5)
    David Cunliffe Labour 14.6 (up 4.1)
    Winston Peters NZ First 5.1 (down 0.4)
    Russel Norman 3.5 Greens (up 1.5)
    David Shearer 1.5 Labour (down 0.7)
    Helen Clark 1.4 former PM (up 0.9)

    Seats in the house

    National 64
    Labour 32
    Greens 18
    NZ First 0
    Internet Mana 3
    Maori Party 1
    Act 1
    United Future 1

    Based on the assumption that the Maori, Mana, United Future and Act parties keep one seat.

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  57. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Great result for Nats
    -After an excruciating week of smear, innuendo and media frenzy, the public see through the whole lot and they retain the support of over half the electorate.
    Terrible result for Labour
    – Announced their flagship policies and they fall in the polls
    – Greens gaining on them, can now demand 1/3 of cabinet posts thus further turning off the swinging centre voter.
    Conclusion – The majority of voters have seen though the Hager smear and want a continuation of strong, stable, and financially astute government!

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  58. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    This is what I said yesterday!!!!!

    “Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (827 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 12:41 am
    I agree with DPF here. Aunty Audrey is disappointed that National hasn’t suffered much damage in the party vote side. So she has hyped up the drop in percentage on the PM popularity. Also National will drop from the unbelievable high of 55% to 50%-51% and aunty is going to make a huge drama about this for sure…..”

    What is so pleasing is the 65+ golden oldies of this great country are not falling for Clownliffe’s bribe. Support for the clown has dropped considerably. I take my hat off for them. They are not like the greedy students who voted for the interest free student loan.

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  59. Grant500 (22 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is right. JK does have some serious questions to answer. Like how the hell can you go through all of this still be overwhelmingly the preferred PM and your party still has 50% support of the country. I’ll give Cunliffe a hint on how to do it. Stop looking like a poo-faced pratt on TV for a start. Your “serious face” is a joke. Don’t tick JK off for living in a mansion while you live in your “modest” $2.5 million shack. Actually have policy that helps the average working person not the bludgers. Don’t offer big freebies – we are smarter than that and see through that – it’s our money you are giving away.

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  60. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    So, no damage to National?
    We are possibly at the point where iif this so called scandal continues it may actually be positive for the right.

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  61. HB (321 comments) says:

    Do you think part of the reason that media are writing so much about ‘dirty politics’ and the fallout from this is the dearth of other political stories?
    What are Nationals policies?
    Why do National ministers so often refuse to appear on shows?

    If your whole brand revolves around one person it gets bloody boring and repetitive. For everyone, including political reporters.
    IDGAF about Key and his smile.
    What are your policies?
    Who are these anonymous ministers who won’t front to interviews? It’s all well and good saturating us with Key cos he is a lovely guy who we would all love to have a beer with at the pub (lol, sick of that meme?)

    Then along comes ‘dirty politics’ – wawawa, it’s so unfair
    Stop complaining and give the reporters something else to write about

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  62. FeralScrote (218 comments) says:

    What we have here is a bent media trying to rig an election by starving National of oxygen on their policies,unfortunately for those further left they are getting caught also in medias the obsession with Hagers fantasy .
    Any intelligent voter sees thru the empty promises of the far left coalition of Political PhDs desperate to show some result of their wasted years at Unis and polytechs.

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  63. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    This will help push it back up.

    The nasties have lost once more..

    Four years after a bitter industrial row over the filming of The Hobbit the New Zealand screen industry body Spada and actors union Equity have made their peace.

    Spada has signed an agreement with the union on terms and conditions for people working in the industry – ending years of friction over replacing the previous outdated actors deal known as The Pink Book.

    The new agreement has been backed by taxpayer funding agencies the NZ Film Commission and NZ On Air and will apply to local productions made by Spada members.

    A big-budget movie by the Hollywood studio DreamWorks, The Light Between Oceans, is set to start filming in New Zealand next month and it will abide by the agreement, even though it is not compulsory.

    The Hobbit dispute in 2010 was ugly, with union officials receiving threats and anti-union marches through the streets.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11312411

    Of course the sniveling Little, Kelly and co. won’t recognize this for the positive it really is.

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  64. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    HB; Plenty of policy has been announced by National and Labour this week but the MSM has ignored it and concentrated on perpetrating Hager’s smear.
    The result is the public are less informd and Labour deprived of oxygen drops in the polls.
    This is a seriously bad poll for Labour – Cunliffe predicted “people would be deserting National in droves” and although they have droppped to more realistic levels, the Greens have been the winner’s as Labour’s left flank has been falling away to the water melons, excited by Hager and enticed by the politics of envy.
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  65. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    This is a good result for National especially when you consider the tsunami of negative media over the Hager book and the breathless attempts by the MSM to beat up the SIS OIA release and Collins’ 5 year old leak AND the hacker slowly leaking the source emails all week in an attempt to drag it out. The centre-left block took 2.5% off an almost unrealistically large lead National had in the last HD poll and the Conservatives took the rest. Under the circumstances, it’s an outstanding result.

    Labour continue to sink and their costly flagship policy has actually turned off seniors. All the noise about Hager starved Cunliffe of any media oxygen to appear as a PM alternative to Key. The more the Greens rise at the expense of Labour, the more power they will be perceived to have in a left coalition – it reinforces the brilliant imagery in the Nat’s rowing ad – that of a confused and disunified possible Labour/Greens Cabinet.

    IM are stalled as is NZ First – both lost in the headlong rush to slam Slater. Whaleoil meanwhile is awash with new readers drawn by the six figures worth of free publicity the media have given his blog. People aren’t stupid – they already knew politics was dirty and the dirt dished by Slater in his emails is almost cancelled out by the illegal and underhanded hacking and pseudo-journalism engaged in by Hager and those who defend him. Some of what Slater says about Dotcom will stick thus undermining the impact of whatever he will reveal on September 15. There comes a point when the bad karma Dotcom’s vitriolic personal vendetta against Key drowns out the detail of what he says.

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  66. Tom Barker (143 comments) says:

    So Mr Slater’s knighthood still on hold at present?

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  67. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (828 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 5:28 am

    How very very biased of you – Labour being punished, but National only slide – still keeping to the rhetoric huh? Do you seriously think that ordinary people aren’t starting to see through the propaganda rhetoric?

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  68. Lindsay Addie (1,515 comments) says:

    Good analysis KIA.

    I have to note that the NZ Herald and TVNZ are still this morning banging on about this SIS OIA issue. The silly buggers are all in such a orgasmic state thinking they’ve finally got Key cornered. I surmise they must have all caught a severe and virulent strain of Key Derangement Syndrome.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Tom Barker (119 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 7:37 am

    He’s going to be made press secretary first, at the same time Collins is made Deputy Leader. The Leader rewards extreme acts of bravery and undying acts of loyalty, especially if they include lies, with many gifts.

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  70. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Lindsay Addie (1,137 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 7:50 am

    I think you and Key are the ones that are a bit derranged Sir, if you think that just because Key was out of the country it means he can’t have been informed. I’m not sure if you are aware or not, but Hawaii can be reached by telephone, and something as important as this issue would not in most circumstances be bought to the PM’s attention.

    If Tucker had made one mistake in his letter by saying he had informed the Prime Minister, and really meant the Prime Minister’s office, it might be acceptable. But to write it more than once does not indicate a simple oversight.

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  71. Lindsay Addie (1,515 comments) says:

    Judith,

    If you and the left want to keep pushing this 3 year old story then good luck to you. All its doing is knocking Labour off the headlines when Cunliffe needs exposure to appear like a future PM. Having hoards of media following Key around instead isn’t helping him at all.

    So please keep on about this story and don’t stop. It is a road to nowhere.

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  72. niggly (830 comments) says:

    Lol Judith must have watched 3News yesterday – I hear they didn’t mention that the Chief Ombudsman and former SIS Director clarified yesterday they meant “Prime Minister’s Office” when three years ago they used the term “Prime Minister”.

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  73. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    So Prime Minister John Key doesn’t think that his Minister of Corruption (oops! ‘Justice’ ) Judith Collins, has breached the Cabinet Manual.

    According to the Cabinet Manual – Ministers are supposed to exhibit ‘the highest ethical standards’.

    So – as Minister of Police – Judith Collins working covertly with her friend Cameron Slater to attack public servant Simon Pleasants on the WhaleOil blog on the unproven SUSPICION that he had leaked information – is not a breach of ‘the highest ethical standards’?

    This filthy unsubstantiated attack on Simon Pleasants resulted in his receiving death threats on Cameron Slater’s WhaleOil blog.

    How on earth can any DECENT person see (then) Minister of Police Judith Collins actions exhibiting ‘the highest ethical standards’?

    Oh – that’s right – Prime Minister John Key got his ‘ethical training’ in his years as a currency trader and Wall Street banker.

    What sort of ‘moral compass’ can you expect from Prime Minister John Key – when it’s still set on Wall Street?

    Seriously scary stuff for New Zealand – in my considered opinion…

    Penny Bright

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Lindsay Addie (1,138 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 7:59 am

    I am not a Labour supporter, so their stats don’t worry me in the slightest. Nor do I have any doubt that National will win the election. But Collins will be gone very early in the new term, as more comes out (and no, not all of it is 3 years old – some of it less than 12 mths – wait and see), and Key won’t finish the term.

    I do note though, you accept that wrong was done, but excuse it because it is 3 years old, despite the fact it shows corruption in National. So it doesn’t matter how bad the behaviour, if it was a while ago, its excusable huh? Let’s hope they don’t make you minister of police!

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  75. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ publicwatchdog (2,205 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 8:04 am

    The problem with that Penny, is that the ‘highest ethical standards’ is open to interpretation by the PM. His ethics scale may be quite different compared to many people. I think his professional history supports that.

    Therefore, Judith Collins behaviour may very well be of a high ethical standard, in his opinion.

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  76. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    That July poll looks like a rogue poll. But do you think the Herald would present it that way. No John Key’s support crashes on the back of Nicky Hager’s book.

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  77. Lindsay Addie (1,515 comments) says:

    Judith,

    I don’t know if a wrong has been done, you’re making up words and trying to put them into my mouth. There could be an issue if the process wasn’t followed correctly but the inquiry may find that out. As for Collins I don’t like her or her friend Slater. I do think the big mistake Key made this week was not getting rid of her when he had the chance.

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  78. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Lindsay Addie

    Then let me help you with that, so you are sure. This link takes you to a 2011 press conference where approx. from 4 minutes into it, John Key talks about being informed by Tucker. Now, either the PM has lied in that press conference, or he lied to us yesterday – but either way he’s been dishonest.

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  79. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @Lindsay Addie (1,139 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 8:18 am

    Yes, Collins needs to go, she will end up dragging Key down with her.

    Just to clarify my opinion. I do not think that Key should be made to resign over this SIS stuff. It is but a small mistake, and in the big picture, only demonstrates what we all know – that Slater was given preferential treatment by the government, to run his nasty smear campaigns. The public can make up their mind how important that is to them that the PM is upfront, open and transparent on 20/9.

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  80. ByterNZ (26 comments) says:

    Judith: This is completely idiotic. It’s become quite clear that every reference to the Prime Minister in relation to an OIA request refers to his office.

    1) DPF says it’s extremely unlikely that a minister would be talked to personally about an OIA release.
    2) 2 people from the SIS have confirmed that they meant the office instead of the Prime Minister.
    3) Therefore, it’s completely consistant that “me” in that context also refers to “my office”.

    I have no sympathy for Goff, he was dog whistling to anti-semites with his SIS statement anyways (I’m sure that some of them must believe that the Christchurch Earthquakes are an Israeli plot), so it’s poetic justice that this came back to bite him.

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