The Nation debate

August 9th, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Colin Craig has successfully muscled his way into TV3’s minor parties leaders’ debate tomorrow morning after taking his case to the High Court.

TV3 executives decided outside the High Court to include the leader after he successfully applied for an injunction preventing the debate from airing without him.

TV3 Director of News Mark Jennings said it was either include Craig or cancel the debate and it was not fair to prevent the other parties from being heard. 

Lawyers for Craig applied for an injunction in the High Court at Auckland this afternoon to prevent TV3 owners MediaWorks from airing a debate on its programme without the Conservative Party leader.

Party leaders from United Future, ACT, the Greens, the Maori Party, New Zealand First and Mana, were due to face off in the debate at 9.30am tomorrow morning.

Justice Murray Gilbert ruled that Craig had an arguable case that TV3’s selection criteria – gaining a seat at the previous election – was insufficient.

I agree that a backwards criteria is insufficient. it locks out parties that have done well since the last election. I’m not saying that means the Conservatives should have been included – just that TV3’s criteria was lacking.

I didn’t watch the debate. What did people make of it? Who was best and worst?

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73 Responses to “The Nation debate”

  1. tamati (70 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei came across as a typical sanctimonious Green. I was surprised the commentators didn’t pick this up. She consistently smirked and giggled a policies she disagreed with and gave Colin Craig the ‘speak to the hand’ when he interrupted her.

    Imagine the reaction if Colin Craig had done the same thing to Turei and held up his palm to her? Oh the hypocrisy!

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  2. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    Yeah, Turei’s sanctimonious I AM THE RIGHTEOUS speak-to-the-hand to Colin Craig was ugly, but the commentators bagged her for that. Dunne was great taking on Peters and persisting. It was a good look at all the Leaders together, which is why Colin Craig should have been there (but disappointing he had to fight to get fair treatment).

    Jamie Whyte again looking startled and a round peg in a square hole. Put a tie on.

    Hone Harawira is sounding quite moderate, and looking good, but no one picked out the rank hypocrisy of his stance on foreign ownership vs being underpinned by a German criminal immigrant pumping millions into his motley crew.

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  3. dog_eat_dog (772 comments) says:

    TV3 not mentioning Harawira’s blatant double standards when it comes to his stance on capitalists, particularly white ones? Colour me shocked.

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  4. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    Out of 10…

    Craig 4
    Whyte 3 (gets +1 for his “you’re all Communists” line)
    Harawira 5
    Turei 5

    Peters 6
    Flavell 3
    Dunne 5

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  5. oldpark (231 comments) says:

    Watching Materislistic Turei.I knew I saw that face and body before.She was ranting for Marijuna when she was in full flight with the McGillycuddy serious joke party.Now she has jumped the fence,only the name of the party has changed ,that’s all. She and her ilk and party was a pig ignorant joke, that joke came with her, when she deserted the McGILLYCUDDY SERIOUS PARTY,and joined the commie” greens”.

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  6. Neil (576 comments) says:

    What a pathetic performance. I thought Peter Dunne was the only one that came out with positive ratings. He latched on to Winston, of course Winston didn’t like that.
    Turei and Harawira were shocking and idiotic. They are throwbacks to the cargp cult era.

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  7. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Lisa Own was best, she managed a difficult format well.

    One more participant made little difference to the format. TV3 claimed lack of time for all was a reason to exclude Craig but then they included a one minute filler of two guys yapping and then ten minutes of unnecessary pundit opinion. They would have done better giving the party leaders a bit more time each.

    I don’t think any minds votes will have been changed by the discussions.

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  8. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    The comment that stood out for me was when leaders were asked what their most important policy would be in any post-election negotiations.

    Do you think he (Cunliffe) has the vision to lead this country?

    Harawira: What I know is this – if the polls keep trending the way that John Armstrong of the NZ Herald says and hit 5% even before the campaign starts for Internet Mana, I’m guaranteed to get a call on the night of September the 20th.

    And if he asks us, is there one policy, if there’s one thing that we would want to see changed, it would be this – the elimination of child poverty within the first five years.

    What after that? The elimination of unemployment? The elimination of crime?

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  9. bringbackdemocracy (418 comments) says:

    I thought they all did quite well and targeted their messages to their respective audiences. Winston has gone of the boil a bit though, it’s now more obvious when he won’t answer a question he doesn’t like. Flavell seems to be moving out of Sharples shadow. Turei is not as articulate as Wussell but at least she appears more sincere. Hone’s comments will continue to draw more support from Labour and the Greens. Whyte still has the stiff-shirt look but is getting better, he didn’t seem to know who he should be criticising. Craig’s voice loss was obviously affecting him but he got his policy out there and took a few shots at Winston. Dunne made up the numbers and didn’t add anything new but called out the spenders on how were they going to pay for their promises.

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  10. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    There won’t be an elimination of crime as long as the Harawira family exists.

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  11. CharlieBrown (981 comments) says:

    It sounds like Whyte needs to get used to arguing against dumb, which is very difficult to someone as logical, rational and intelligent as him. All of those leaders apart from peters are irrational fools, whereas peters is just plain cunning.

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  12. wiseowl (857 comments) says:

    Craig won easily.
    The other lot were tired and dreamers.
    Craig was fresh and tackled anything thrown at him.
    Dunne showed he is a spent force and doesn’t represent anyone.He is looking for something to replace common sense to save him.
    Whyte was like a startled possum.
    Winnie was OK.
    Say no more about the Greeny.
    Hone was quiet for some reason but same old from him.

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  13. marcw (241 comments) says:

    With the left’s definition of poverty being below a % of the median wage, it is mathematically impossible to ELIMINATE poverty. It proves they are just empty sound bites.

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  14. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Jamie Whyte appears to be perpetually startled by something. Boom mic waving around? The voices in his head?

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  15. Huevon (213 comments) says:

    Turei has a stoner giggle. Loser.

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  16. mattyman1010 (35 comments) says:

    It was a pretty average debate all around, I don’t think anyone did particularly well. However I did quite like Jamie Whyte on the foreign land sales, thought he came out on top there. Dunne was decent all round, as he typically is in debates.

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  17. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “There won’t be an elimination of crime as long as the Harawira family exists.”

    Kudos to that man! Comment of the day?

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  18. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Craig the most dignified;
    Turei the most irritating;
    Whyte the most uncomfortable;
    Peters the most vacuous;
    Dunne the most irrelevant;
    Harawira the most racist;
    Flavell the most desperate;

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  19. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    Government by judge!
    Election campaign by judge.

    I make no comment re CCCP’s right to admission to this forum but who elected these interfering fucking judges?

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  20. goldnkiwi (1,245 comments) says:

    Of course Craig should have been in the debate and good on him for making the point, shame it had to be in court, but what else would have prevailed.

    Absolutely the right attitude to wish to be included in the debate, regardless of the tv channel and moderator!!!

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  21. Steve (North Shore) (4,538 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei, talk to the hand – shut up ewe

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  22. hubbers (231 comments) says:

    Just repeating marcw’s point

    With the left’s definition of poverty being below a % of the median wage, it is mathematically impossible to ELIMINATE poverty.

    The only way to do that then is for everyone to earn EXACTLY THE SAME eg SOCIALISM eg the rich and hard working don’t deserve what they have so it must be taken from them and redistributed to people who do deserve it.

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  23. Geoff Parsons (1 comment) says:

    …kind of ironic… at the end of the debate, that the tv3 political commentator gave colin a bad word… im sure he would have been reading that off his teleprompter…. how rude and plain nasty of TV3 trying to censor what NZ want to hear. The polls have shown that NZ want to hear more from Colin than they do from most of the other parties on the debate (greens and peters excluded)

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  24. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    I think Craig made a mistake in fighting to be included. I understand his motivations, but under the circumstances he needed to show the fight was worth it and he had something big to offer.

    Craig was clearly nervous, and out of his league when compared to the professionals around him. He had very little air space, and apart from one strong comment did not present the professionalism required of a politician. He allowed himself to be talked over, and was unable to hold his own. The ability to get your message through, regardless of who is speaking is important (although very rude). He allowed himself to be intimidated, which to me suggested he would be hopeless in the house. Far too sensitive.

    Whyte came across strongly, but a tad arrogant – needs to find the balance.
    Winston, of course came across as he usually does in a debate, and shone above the others because of that ability. Because he and the Conservatives are offering similar positions, he made Craig look a weak prospect for anyone wanting to chose between the two.

    Dunne I felt came across as unprepared. He kept using the same and well worn xenophobia line, which doesn’t cut it – and has been well recognised as a tactic to quieten debate. If he doesn’t improve and there are stronger options in his electorate, he just might not make it – He has to ditch his well worn rhetoric. He’s been around too long and is too predictable. He needs to show some new passion and prove he is still dedicated to politics, can change if required, and not just looking for a meal ticket. He failed to do that.

    Hone was the surprise. He presented well, was articulate and professional. Rebutted comments towards him and generally did pretty well, especially against Flavell. Shock/Horror

    Flavell struggled. Was constantly on the back foot with claims of him having ‘been at the table’ and not managed to achieve much for Maori. He seemed a bit lost for new material and new answers. Of the two, Hone out shone him.

    Metiria was the only female and seemed to feel she had to make her position strongly among the boys. Something women frequently do when presented in such a position. I didn’t think the ‘talk to the hand’ was too bad, although the commentators didn’t like it. It showed she was not prepared to be intimidated into shutting up, and was going to be heard. Unfortunately she didn’t have anything new to offer and it was to me the same old Greens stuff.

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  25. goldnkiwi (1,245 comments) says:

    Certainly a good example of Maori political representation, seemed to me that it was 4 – 3, Dunne and Whyte would have been way outnumbered if Craig hadn’t been there to restore some balance.

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  26. elscorcho (154 comments) says:

    Any “lefties” that votes for Dotcom’s merry band of mercenaries is traitorous filth and should be expelled from New Zealand for a level of cognitive dissonance so high it has reached illegality.

    As a socialist, if I had the choice of voting Act or Internet-Mana, I’d vote Act.

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  27. mara (759 comments) says:

    Whyte is too intelligent and rational to be a politician. I’m surprised he hasn’t realised this by now. Or has he? For a moment his facial expression seemed to be “what the fuck am I doing here with these idiots?” I liked Craig but he is very inexperienced in politics. Hopefully he is a quick learner.

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  28. you reap what you sow (35 comments) says:

    I got the feeling the green lady was stoned too. Jamie White was best and calling the others a pack of communists was dead right.

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  29. you reap what you sow (35 comments) says:

    Peter dunne looked out of place. His comment about the OIC not implementing the law correctly suggests corruption. Or has he been talking to his son?

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  30. redqueen (546 comments) says:

    Watching the debate really just made me feel a bit sick, to be honest. Whyte continues to come across as too reserved, compared with the others seeming more ‘passionate’ (no matter how sodding retarded they are). However, Turei, per usual, really disgusts me with her sanctimonious idiocy. Well, actually, that’s a three way split between Hone and Winnie the Poo. If they left the room (or politics…or New Zealand!), it would at least be a discussion based on something more than being obnoxious and calling it ‘positive’. That said, it’s TV3, I hardly expected a well moderated debate.

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  31. goldnkiwi (1,245 comments) says:

    Other debates with other less ‘conservative’ parties and leaders would be a great contrast for those that think any of those 7 ‘extreme’.

    I would love to see Metiria get .com to talk to her hand (take a lot of shutting up, that one) the bullshit is strong in ‘that’ one. lol.

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  32. Bob (496 comments) says:

    As much as I dislike the Greens I thought Metiria Turei put on the best performance. She put up the Greens as a force in the next parliament and not just a hanger-on party. Each other party leader seemed to have just one or two issues Turei covered a range of policies. Craig and Peters seemed to be wanting to occupy the same space. Jamie White made little impression. Flavell appears to be almost a too nice guy waiting for crumbs from the table. He does need to throw his weight around a bit more. Peter Dunne was much the same as usual. Being in government he could correct some of the wrong claims against National because of his inside knowledge. Hone took the usual stance on poverty. However he spoke reasonably and got away from his combative image.

    All in all it was a bit humdrum very civilised no fisticuffs.

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  33. Harriet (4,726 comments) says:

    The MSM love the fact that National is as left as Labour, and the MSM will therefor protect National from the Conservatives and ACT, so as to maintain socialism in NZ.

    Mr Craig is coming to terms with the piss poor behaviour of the MSM I believe, and he will take every fight to them as you have just seen by his court action. Whyte appears he would do the same if he had to going by his “you’re all communists” statement.

    I currently have friends and family visiting QLD, and they are all from the SI. They say that the Conservatives are being talked about more and more for the party vote in CH-CH and Nelson — AND —- people are very pissed off with the way the MSM treats Craig.

    Craig will get 5%.

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  34. Unity (473 comments) says:

    Good on Colin Craig fighting TV3 on this one. It beggars belief how the media not only bag him and his Party at every opportunity but now on top of that TV3 had the temerity to try to exclude him. I feel he came across well in the short times he had to speak but at one point I did wonder if the Moderator was ever going to include him in the comments because a lot of time passed without him being asked his views.

    Metiria was tiresome and arrogant and someone should put her in her place. Who on earth does she think she is raising her hand like that. I applauded Craig for trying to get a word in over her.

    Personally I don’t like Lisa Owen on The Nation. Her voice is too high pitched and hectoring. She should try to lower it. Also, the time factor excuse for not including the Conservatives just did not wash with me.

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  35. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    I was disappointed in Dunne. Generally he did ok, especially when he challenged Winston, but there was nothing new from him – and that seems to be the story of United Future this campaign, same old.

    Two issues Dunne promoted were core UF, Flex-Super and fishing and hunting, fair enough, but there’s nothing fresh to interest party voters.

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  36. Radman (141 comments) says:

    Oh look, all the CCCP sycophants are here felching over Craig’s woeful performance! He tried to take on Winston and he LOST!! as for the rest, I agree with the others that Jamie White looks too smart to be rolling in shit with these idiots. Hone was a laugh and Turei was just ugly!! What good fun though,!

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  37. flash2846 (250 comments) says:

    New Zealanders, Polynesians, Asians, etc… All under represented in the debate. Maori over represented with 4 of the 7 on show; two of whom are only interested in Maori superiority. Had Colin Craig not been there 4 out of 6; even more disgraceful.

    Someone please tell that Harawira prick that there is 37 million dollars of cash and assets that should be available to rid New Zealand of the so called poverty.

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  38. duggledog (1,483 comments) says:

    I think I have to disagree with you Judith on Craig; I did think that too but after reflection maybe he did the right thing – for him anyway. He runs the risk of being the school yard shit who solves everything by running to the teacher, but if he didn’t get himself on the show he would be relegating his party to nothing status. This I believe was TV3’s plan.

    Craig simply must keep himself and his party front of centre in the nation’s consciousness and the only way he could do that this week was to threaten legal action. It’s a win either way, he gets headline news yet again and / or on the show.

    Threatening legal action is all he has; otherwise as Harriet says so correctly they will destroy him and by ‘they’ I mean most of the media, government departments and all the other parties. Craig has the potential to upset an awful lot of apple carts in New Zealand.

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  39. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    If Hone is the best and brightest Maori can produce…it is no wonder Maoridom is fucked big, big time.
    The thug is a charlatan, a pathetic one.

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  40. greybeard (57 comments) says:

    I thought Mr. Craig did very well at first, being calm, logical and sensible, but I was a bit disappointed when he started to argue with the others: he would, IMHO, be better off displaying more gravitas and putting a bit of distance between himself and the lefties. He is certainly no fool.
    Mr. Whyte was great, he nailed the issues first time: I got the impression that he is a few steps ahead of the others in intelligence.

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  41. marcw (241 comments) says:

    Colin Craig’s court action against Russel Norman was, in principle, wrong too, but it had the desired effect and shut the slagging down promptly. Sometimes taking the moral high ground works in mysterious ways. The Greens are now about $75,000 shorter in funds which were diverted to lawyers pockets, and they are muzzled in their outright lying for effect as they came off second best in the end.

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  42. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Vote for Colin, or he’ll get his lawyers onto you… :neutral:

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  43. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Those who support Colon Craig and his hissy fit about not being invited to be on this panel have overlooked one very salient point.

    TV3 is a private company, Colon Craig has no fucking right to demand that a private company do anything. If TV3 had wanted only the pinko factions there (and lets face it, they would have if they thought it would work) then I support their right to do so.

    Those who think that Colon Craig had a right to be included need to rethink their reasoning.

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  44. flash2846 (250 comments) says:

    Edit above – million should read billion. Woops!

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  45. jawnbc (72 comments) says:

    Putting aside the content of their arguments—since nothing any of them said would inform my vote, since I’ll go by their policies rather than their sound bytes—here’s my assessment, having just watched it on-demand:

    Craig: looks a tad creepy and more than a tad awkward. Needs some coaching on his posture and speaking.
    Whyte: does not seem to be able to drop the intellectual schtick and comes across inaccessible and lacking empathy.
    Harawira: delivers his message—whatever you think of it—concisely and clearly. But also good at fudging when it suits him.
    Turei: performed reasonably well, though she overstated any potential Greens role in driving a future government agenda (as the junior partner).
    Peters: for the first time I see why he hoovers up votes. Clearly in his element, deft at blasting over things that would spook or derail many others (yes you, Dr. Whyte).
    Flavell: deer in the headlights for the first half; settled in a bit, but came across very uncomfortable.
    Dunne: never gave the sense that he believed in what he was saying—more spokesman than party leader.

    So Peters, Harawire and Turei came across best. Craig and Whyte both failed. Not that these debates matter much…but unless the Cons. demonstrate some post-debate traction in the next 10 days, they’re toast.

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  46. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,383 comments) says:
    August 9th, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    I was a bit miffed about it too, but after I watched the debate, I decided he did more harm to himself than good. I wonder if he will now sue TV3 for allowing him to be in the debate!

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  47. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    The really amazing thing about this whole nonsense is how many of you really important folks watch shite TV! :)

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  48. Inky_the_Red (746 comments) says:

    The more I see Whyte (and read his press releases) the saner Craig looks

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  49. Chris2 (770 comments) says:

    Big Bruv at 6:57pm.

    You might have had a valid point if the broken-arse TV3 funded “The Nation”, but they don’t.

    The programme is funded by NZ on Air (that, is the taxpayer).

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  50. Anthony (789 comments) says:

    Inky, the state taking control of private property is communism, and the politicians spending other people’s money on various ‘growth schemes’ is never going to make any difference to economic growth! While I didn’t think Whyte finished well, he made the best points in the whole debate!

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  51. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is the man. His party will get more votes than the Act fools. That’s all that matters in my book. At least the conservative party is not represented by criminals, Act show got Banks, Garrett , Hide etc..etc…

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  52. Unity (473 comments) says:

    It’s very obvious the Maori Seats aren’t now required. Out of the 7 people on The Nation this morning 4 of them were part-Maori. Over half. They are definitely well represented without the special racist seats which just skew everything.

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  53. lolitasbrother (617 comments) says:

    Thank you all for comments. Am I correct that that Colin is a bit cross eyed and looks like some priest. Colin, just getting there on TV is serious and good. People like me will vote for him, because the Nat machine depends on one man. NZ first have clear principles and policy, but the Winston should just come outright and say I am with NZ Nat, not the criminal and stupid parties.
    I can not see NZ TV. I am in Thai jungle somewhere. Nice hotel, the maid came around she says anything you want.
    We have overseas to go through the business of registering our votes soon.
    I vote for Nicky Wagner in Christchurch, and Colin Conservative for list.
    Some people maybe interested that we have a Military Government over here in Thailand , we are talking total power in one man’s hands apparently. Talk to his hand, the General Prayuth is clever and appointed four advisors who he can not over rule. Well so far so good, and he says free trade with NZ and Australia, good bye Fletchers wall boards.

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  54. soundhill1 (160 comments) says:

    And as the commentator said, if we sell our farm land and rent it back and the overseas owner decides we have not cared for it well enough, how much bond do we lose?

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  55. lolitasbrother (617 comments) says:

    dad4justice is the worst representative for his cause in NZ, positively reviled by so many men we fought so hard,
    and in what way was Rodney a criminal you low lie dog in gutter.
    Garrett made a mistake reading the Jackal, and working on it, and there are issues about Banks. Lie in the gutter dog 4 justice

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  56. OneTrack (2,959 comments) says:

    lolitasbrother – “but the Winston should just come outright and say I am with NZ Nat, not the criminal and stupid parties.”

    He should, shouldn’t he. Wonder why he doesn’t ….

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  57. goldnkiwi (1,245 comments) says:

    More people probably tuned in than otherwise with the publicity to watch the debate..

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  58. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Chris2

    If the Nation is indeed funded by the tax payer then I agree with you entirely.

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  59. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Rodney Hide certainly is not a criminal. I have no idea where that brain fart came from.

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  60. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Shawn

    That brain fart came from the same place as the rest of his brain farts.

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  61. Nookin (3,245 comments) says:

    BB, Shawn

    Dad is besotted by baiter and his flirtation with the Conservatives is his way of ingratiating favour. His real roots, however, are with Act and he resolves the cognitive dissonance by slagging them off. He thinks it makes him feel better but it doesn’t. Soon he will burst back on the scene, splatter over everyone and decamp yet again.

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  62. Than (446 comments) says:

    Colin Craig taking court action over this was another political mistake.

    The math is pretty simple. The audience for The Nation is a tiny core of political tragics who already know who they are voting for. The audience for Stuff and The Herald with their headlines (paraphrasing) “Colin Craig takes somebody to court again” is all potential voters. The damage from the articles cementing Craig’s reputation for petty litigiousness far outweighs the benefit (if any; I have not watched the debate) of appearing on the show.

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  63. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Nookin

    I wonder if Mr Hide might want to reflect a little more on D4J’s comments. Given they are defamatory there may well be a case for legal action.

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  64. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    BB, are you aware that D4J is convinced that you and I are the same person?

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  65. Concerned (41 comments) says:

    I’m surprised Peter Dunne’s position on superannuation doesn’t get more attention. It’s the perfect ‘out’ for National…no change to retirement age or benefits (to satisfy John Key’s pledge), just some early retirement and late retirement options (as is done elsewhere) to cater for individuals while keeping the actuaries satisfied…and everybody’s happy!!??

    Deserves more discussion.

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  66. nz_aj (5 comments) says:

    Amusing bits:
    Whytes rebuttal on 3 strikes being UK Labour party policy.
    Craigs meeting being twice the size of Winstons and having a photo to prove it.
    Hone not knowing what xenophobia meant.

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  67. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Yes, I agree. Dunne does not have a lot of good ideas, but that is one of them and National would do well to take it on board.

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  68. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Craigs meeting being twice the size of Winstons and having a photo to prove it.”

    I suspect the CP is going to do better than some people expect.

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  69. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Summary of the post election policy priorities for the small parties plus Greens:

    – United Future: Flexi-Super
    – Maori Party: Whanau Ora
    – Mana Party: the elimination of child poverty within the first five years
    – Act Party: Economic growth
    – Conservative Party: binding referenda
    – NZ First: remaining vague
    – Green Party: expect to have a very comprehensive coalition agreement that meets a whole range of objectives

    Details and policy links: Small party priorities post election

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  70. Paulus (2,586 comments) says:

    Flash 2846

    Billions I think you mean not Millions.

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  71. ChardonnayGuy (1,194 comments) says:

    Colin Craig was hopelessly narrow spectrum. Whyte, Peters, Turei and Dunne ran all over him.

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  72. Unity (473 comments) says:

    Were we both watching the same programme, ChardonnayGuy? I thought Colin Craig showed great dignity – a lot more so that then dreadfully arrogant Turei and also Dunne who just said more of the same and nothing new. Whyte also came across well even though he looked as though he had been caught in the headlights on several occasions. It was probably disbelief at what he was hearing more than anything with him and I couldn’t blame him.

    Colin Craig is getting much more confident and polished the more he appears. I saw him in person at a full house meeting recently and he was excellent – and more importantly, a normal guy. He’s only in this business because he’s as frustrated as many of us with regard to politicians not listening and following the wishes of the people. For that I applaud him for going out of what must definitely be his comfort zone.

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  73. brownballs (2 comments) says:

    I’m sick of seeing this lefty block pack of bastards using my tax dollars to buy power .There has been that much promised now by Labor , add everything up,we will be in serious trouble if these Hungary for power pack of A holes get a Govt together .

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