The NZ First list

August 26th, 2014 at 2:14 pm by David Farrar

NZ First have announced:

1 Rt Hon Winston Peters
2 Tracey Martin
3 Richard Prosser
4 Fletcher Tabuteau
5 Barbara Stewart
6 Clayton Mitchell
7 Denis O’Rourke
8 Pita Paraone
9 Ron Mark
10 Darroch Ball
11 Mahesh Bindra
12 Ria Bond
13 Mataroa Paroro
14 Romuald Rudzki
15 Jon Reeves
16 Asenati Lole- Taylor

Andrew Williams has dropped off the list entirely, after he criticised his draft ranking of 13. I must say that I don’t see what he had done to deserve his demotion (unlike Lole-taylor who had made numerous blunders). Williams did some dumb stuff as Mayor of North Shore, but had been pretty restrained as an MP.

A huge promotion for the MP for Wogistan, Richard Prosser.

If NZ First make 5% then Fletcher Tabuteau and Clayton Mitchell will be MPs. It is good to see NZ First bringing some new blood in.

Fletcher Tabuteau is their Rotorua candidate and has run a marketing and communications company. He is now a educator in business teaching.

Clayton Mitchell is their Tauranga candidate and a local City Councillor. He has said he will carry on doing both, if elected.

Ron Mark would get in if NZ First gets close to 7%.

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54 Responses to “The NZ First list”

  1. Redbaiter (9,518 comments) says:

    I like Richard Prosser.

    Don’t always agree with what he says but at least he has the courage to tell it as he sees it, and not let his thoughts and speech be shaped by progressive social pressures.

    That is worth so much in this depressingly Orwellian age.

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  2. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Ron Mark at No. 9 – astonishing! That’s the final nail in Yul Grinner’s destiny.

    If Yul was governed by nous rather than jealousy and paranoia, he would have Ron at least at No. 2.

    Yul’s like some egoistic film star who insists the rest of the cast be nonentities.

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  3. polemic (460 comments) says:

    If you dare to cross the Rt Hon Lord of The Manor Winston then down the list you go….. :evil:

    A vote for Winston First is a wasted vote because all you get is a bunch of wimped wet bus tickets who by fear worship the Grandee Dictator :evil:

    Nothing new here

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  4. Razorlight (52 comments) says:

    Get used to some of those names. It is likely some of them will be cabinet ministers in a couple of months if needed by JK, (or alternatively if needed to lock the nutty Greens out of left government).

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  5. Tarquin North (353 comments) says:

    Asenati is a bit high on the list for my liking, she must be there for the entertainment value.

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  6. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    In the latest 3 News poll, 77 percent of voters said yes, there should be stricter controls placed on foreign ownership of land and housing, and just 20 percent said no.

    Even two-thirds of Mr Key’s own voters, 65 percent, want stricter controls.

    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/poll-majority-support-restricting-foreign-ownership-2014082518#ixzz3BSh8KPVL

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  7. NK (1,255 comments) says:

    No Asians in the list at all. Gee, why would that be?

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  8. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Mahesh Bindra

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  9. Redbaiter (9,518 comments) says:

    Not beholden financially?

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  10. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    I see lots of Asians on Act list. Why would that be?
    Edit after looking
    Kenneth Wang (Real estate agent)?

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  11. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Jack5 says:

    Ron Mark at No. 9 – astonishing!

    Yes, astonishing that Peters would have him there at all. The man is responsible for what DPF rightly termed a new low in Parliamentary behaviour.

    He’s a slanderer who hides behind the skirts of Parliamentary privilege, and a coward when called out for it.

    Lole-Taylor at least has the cojones to abuse people on Twitter, where she could potentially be sued for it.

    So, given his return to the national spotlight, I renew my invitation to Mark. Say what you said inside Parliament, outside of it, or be man enough to apologise.

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  12. Urban_Redneck (103 comments) says:

    I like Richard Prosser

    His book Uncommon Dissent is a good read.

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  13. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    Lole-Taylor is probably ranked a bit high.

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  14. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Re Rex Widerstrom at 2.48:

    Well, Rex, that’s a bombshell. It’s the first I’ve heard of the business between you and Ron Mark. If the report’s accurate, I don’t condone use of Parliamentary privilege in that way. Do the House Speakers not jump on those making accusations like that?

    However, Ron Mark also seems to have been hammered. He was 17 and shagged a girl of 15, which is illegal, but there’s a helluva lot more guys have had sex with girls of 15 and haven’t been charged than have been charged.

    On the rest of Mark’s performance in politics, I think he seems a solid bloke. However, that might be at least partly because of the standing of the fairly inoffensive others with whom Yul Grinner surrounds himself.

    One thing about Mark: I wouldn’t challenge him to a duel. I think, though mechanic was his base army trade, he might have been attached to the SAS as some point. And I think he spent some time working with an Arab army in the Gulf.

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  15. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,914 comments) says:

    “…..he might have been attached to the SAS as some point…….”

    As a cook. a bottle washer or dunny scrubber?

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  16. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    There is clearly no room for comedians in NZ politics any more, given Lole-Taylor’s low ranking.

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  17. MT_Tinman (3,255 comments) says:

    Rex I’ve never yet met Ron Mark sober.

    Is that normal?

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  18. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Adolf Fiinkensein (3.21). That’s a shitty remark. Have you been in the army? Thought not.

    Ron Mark spent 20 years in the military. He had a tough early life, and joined the army as a regular cadet when he was a teenager. Ron rose to the rank of major. As well as serving in the NZ Army he served in the Sultan of Oman’s Armed Forces and the Sultan of Oman’s Special Forces.

    My understanding was that Ron also served in the NZ SAS. Perhaps I am wrong. If so, the error is not mine, not Ron Mark’s.

    MT_Tinman (3.29 post): What places do you frequent that you always meet someone pissed?

    Is the whole of Widerstrom’s Expat Party climbing into this thread? Or are you the anonymous mob that Yul Grinner immerses himself in?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/252848/failed-expat-party-blames-commission

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  19. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Edit my 3.32 post:

    My understanding was that Ron also served in the NZ SAS. Perhaps I am wrong. If so, the error is mine, not Ron Mark’s.

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  20. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    “16 Asenati Lole- Taylor”

    praise allah for that. dreadful woman

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  21. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Further to MT-Tinman’s 3.29 post:

    Rex I’ve never yet met Ron Mark sober. Is that normal?

    In my 3.32 reply, I may have read this wrong.

    MT-Tinman: You would know whether your behaviour was normal. Perhaps you should try talking to Ron Mark before you have that first drink. Or you could try AA.

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  22. Tarquin North (353 comments) says:

    A couple of minor questions, what happened to the friendly weatherman and does Denis O’Rourke even know where he lives?

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  23. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Tarquin (3.43):

    Yul Grinner overheard someone say the friendly weather man’s teeth were brighter and bigger than his own.

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  24. Neil (588 comments) says:

    Winston always seems to have a huge turnover of MP’s. Anyone who doesn’t think like Winston gets the flick off.I think the CP and NZF will cancel each other out.

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  25. Unity (609 comments) says:

    I like Richard Prosser. I have met him and he seems to be a strong character with a good head on his shoulders. He doesn’t stand for any nonsense and I also used to enjoy his column in The Investigate magazine. He tells it as he sees it.

    I also thought Ron Mark was a good guy from what I’ve seen of him on the TV. There was an indepth programme on him and his bikie brother. However, I don’t know about any of the ‘stuff’ he’s supposed to have done that Rex spoke about so perhaps I’m ignorant some of his bad points. He had a very rough start in life though so is the bad stuff really bad or just a dysfuntional youth aspiring to do better and achieving it? I thought he had been a widely respected Mayor of Carterton (I think it was) or have I got that wrong too?

    Would be glad to be properly enlightened seeing NZ First is on my ‘consider’ list but I’m leaning more to the Conservatives.

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  26. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    I’m pleased to see comedy central is still on the list, albeit at #16. I don’t like her chances of a place at the trough though.

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  27. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    NK (1,113 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 2:42 pm
    No Asians in the list at all. Gee, why would that be?
    the slits can start their own party called WE OWN NZ THANKS JOHN KE< the money is in the swiss bank ac………..number,,,,,,,

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  28. MT_Tinman (3,255 comments) says:

    You are correct Jack5.

    I’ll try the AA – although why the Automobile Association will be concerned with whether Mr Mark’s sobriety or otherwise is a normal state of affairs I have no real idea.

    My question to Rex was simply that – a desire to know whether Mark is like his leader

    The simple fact is that the several times I have had the pleasure(?) of meeting Mark he has been pissed to beat the band.

    Unfortunately each time I was sober – both of us being pissed could have been interesting, Mark is a rather obnoxious drunk.

    I take it, Jack5, by your defensive response you think Rex might have advised me it is a normal state for Mark.

    Mark might then have gone up in my estimation.

    Now he certainly won’t ;-)

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  29. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Re MT-Tinman (4.05):

    Fair enough – it was Mark rather than your good self that was pissed.

    I assume you aren’t in Widerstrom’s party, either.

    If we could get Widerstrom and Mark both in the House, on either side, things might get interesting.

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  30. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Goodness, where to begin…

    @Jack5

    Do the House Speakers not jump on those making accusations like that?

    It was an interjection made when Peters was speaking and denying what I’d said re the Spencer Trust. I don’t think the speaker (Margaret Wilson) heard it. She was certainly not impressed when I drew it to her attention, and allowed me the rare privilege of having a formal response added to the record.

    However, Ron Mark also seems to have been hammered. He was 17 and shagged a girl of 15, which is illegal, but there’s a helluva lot more guys have had sex with girls of 15 and haven’t been charged than have been charged.

    I totally agree. Which, as DPF pointed out at the time, ought to have made him more sensitive to the damage that can be done by hurling around such an allegation.

    I assume you aren’t in Widerstrom’s party, either.

    Not my party, Jack5, I just work for it. As I have for NZ First, Labour, ACT and the WA Liberals. I wouldn’t know who else was a member, beyond the leader and the few other officials to whom I answer.

    If we could get Widerstrom and Mark both in the House, on either side, things might get interesting.

    If I’d known the weasel was going to stand, and in what seat, I’d have put in a nomination so I could join him at meet-the-candidates fora. Unfortunately they left it till the last minute to announce. Funny, that. Still, some keen Kiwibloggers went to a few of his meetings in the Wairarapa last time and called him out on it, I recall, so perhaps someone might like to do the same again.

    …he might have been attached to the SAS as some point

    Then I can only ascribe his cowardice to knowing he is wrong, yet being too full of his own self-importance to admit it. Better to hide, it seems.

    @MT_Tinman asks

    Rex I’ve never yet met Ron Mark sober. Is that normal?

    Unlike Mr Mark, I don’t resort to ad hominem attacks on people who aren’t present :-)

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  31. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Unity says:

    I thought he had been a widely respected Mayor of Carterton (I think it was) or have I got that wrong too?

    It appears you have, Unity, if these comments from from Carterton resident Kiwibloggers are anything to go by.

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  32. hane (69 comments) says:

    “the slits can start their own party called WE OWN NZ THANKS JOHN KE< the money is in the swiss bank ac………..number,,,,,,,"

    So David Farrar are you going to continue to allow racist crap like this on your blog?

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  33. Unity (609 comments) says:

    Thanks for that, Rex. I see I also commented so I must have forgotten the adverse things said previously about Mark, or perhaps I just didn’t want to believe them as against what I had already perceived. If it is all true, and it must be as several have agreed, then I hope he doesn’t get into Parliament. It’s all a bit of an eye opener and just shows how wrong you can be if you don’t have all the facts.

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  34. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    So David Farrar are you going to continue to allow racist crap like this on your blog?

    kiwiblogabuse@gmail.com

    Gotta report him. Guy’s obviously a retard so I haven’t bothered. Says ‘raghead’ quite a bit too.

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  35. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    You are either a member of the SAS or you are not. Ron Mark may have many qualities but I am fairly certain he wasn’t a member of that unit and, to the best of my knowledge, he has never claimed that he was.

    Unlike another sometime NZ First MP whose election material had him as a former member of the SAS and a Vietnam veteran … and wrong on both counts.

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  36. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,914 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Get off your high horse.

    It was the term you used which sparked my interest. If he was in the SAS then he was ‘in the SAS.’ But ‘attached to?’

    Come on now!

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  37. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (Machiavelli) (5,954 comments) says:
    July 6th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Comforting trend for me is the one that has Winston hovering below the 5% threshold.

    Perhaps the way to sink him completely is to throw the Golden Oldies a bone or two and ostensibly tighten immigration policy.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/june_public_polls-3.html
    ————–
    ostensibly:

    as appears or is stated to be true, though not necessarily so; apparently.
    “the party secretary resigned, ostensibly from ill health”
    synonyms: apparently, seemingly, on the face of it, to all appearances, on the surface, to all intents and purposes, outwardly, superficially, allegedly, professedly, supposedly, purportedly.
    —————-
    Cracks me up how people get so riled up about immigrants. Especially them chinese.

    Dime loves em – i like their food, i like their reasonably priced blow jobs, i like that they only seem to commit crimes against each other, i like that they have made me a fortune in property, i like that they built me a kick ass house.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/editorials_on_immigration.html

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  38. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Adolf Fiinkensein (5.48):

    Get off your own high horse! I have explained that was what I thought, and may agreed I may have been mistaken. I certainly never said or suggested (apropos Ross Miller’s 5.46 post) that Ron Mark said he was in the SAS, though he seems to have been in the special forces of Oman at some stage.

    Adolf, you also queried whether Mark may have been “a cook. a bottle washer or dunny scrubber”.

    That’s a bit derogatory. As far as I am aware Mark had a more significant career than that, and rose to be a major.

    Are you suggesting the only Army service worth while is in the SAS? That’s surprising. I respect and admire the SAS, but I don’t recall that Charles Upham, or Freyberg, or Kippenberger were in the SAS, which began in World War 2.

    Why all this hostility to Mark? Are you mates of Widerstrom?

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  39. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Jack5:

    Why all this hostility to Mark? Are you mates of Widerstrom?

    Does someone have to be my “mate” to find his conduct offensive?

    I am not John Key’s mate. I find someone “singing” about raping his daughter offensive. Because it is. End of.

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  40. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Arsenati-Taylor somehow does something for me if she wasn’t so plug-ugly! :)

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  41. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Rex:

    I’ve stumbled over a beehive when I’ve said (effectively) that Ron Mark should be higher on the NZ First party list. I was not aware of the use (or abuse) of Parliamentary privilege.

    I shouldn’t have bothered. The Conservatives will split the vote enough to keep NZ First out of the House. Whether Mark is No. 7 or No. 2 will be immaterial.

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  42. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,914 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Apart from cooks, bottle washers and dunny scrubbers, what sort of people would be ‘attached to’ rather than ‘members of’ any military unit? That’s the point. Nothing to do with Ron Mark himself.

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  43. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Re Adolf Fiikensein (6.36):

    The regular cadets, who were taken into the Army aged about 16, were mainly apprenticed to trades in the Army. I suspect Ron Mark trained as a vehicle mechanic or such.

    Obviously, mechanics were likely to be attached to various units. I think that may have been what Mark was doing with the Oman Special Forces. Perhaps the NZ SAS unit in Afghanistan had close co-operation with either NZ Army mechanics or Allied forces mechanics.

    I think you’re splitting hairs on what “attached” means. Sappers who have evolved into combat engineers, have their own units, but are attached to infantry units. When SAS units took the airport during the East Timor invasion, they were followed in hour or so by sappers to sweep for mines and booby traps. Whether the sapper units were formally attached to the SAS is pretty immaterial.

    In the US Marines, the front-line field “medics” (not doctors) are members of the US Navy who are attached to marine units and go into the front lines with them.

    This is all a side issue. I don’t want to re-open old issues that have plagued Rex Widerstrom, so I’m finished with this topic.

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  44. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    As long as Williams doesn’t start pissing in Winston’s corner everything should be OK! :)

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  45. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    I think Fletcher Tabuteau will make a fine MP, he’ll be one to watch.

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  46. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    Also, 11, 18 and 21 on the list are of Indian descent.

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  47. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    On 3 News Asenati claims she was demoted because she has an accent :)

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  48. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    But we all know it’s because she don’t have a brain SR! :)

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  49. polemic (460 comments) says:

    The Winston First Party is a spent force- an also ran party.

    I don’t know why people waste their votes on them you dont know what your getting ever thats why you need to –

    “Stand for something” the Conservatives at least will continue with stable govt and John Key needs them.

    Stand for Something or stand by Winston

    It is a stark contrast the line up that the Conservatives have presented compared to Winnies lickspittles.

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  50. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    She thinks it justifies an enquiry

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  51. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    She looks like a horses arse. If she thinks the race was fixed there should be an enquiry! :)

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  52. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Someone needs to warn her what happens to non lickspittles quick otherwise down she goes too!!!

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  53. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    Andrew Williams low list ranking indicates that his career in national politics is over, he is now free to pursue other opportunities and interests. Ron Marks low 9th place does keep him on the outer of the parliamentary wing, the periphery of power and does not indicate that he is heir apparent to Winston if and when Winston retires.
    My gut feeling is that NZF will struggle to get over the line this time round because of the influence of the Conservative Party who as DPF has said have split the vote that NZF normally enjoys.

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  54. Boris Piscina (53 comments) says:

    In fairness DPF Wogistan Man has only jumped up one place, which is hardly a huge promotion.

    The wets won’t like it though.

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  55. Dave Mann (1,250 comments) says:

    Again, DPF I have to say how restrained. cool and level-headed you often are with these posts about the various political parties. Your site is much more like a political commentary blog than a partisan rant. Thanks for the information.

    (and no, I’m not a Winston-First acolyte :-D).

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  56. Dave Mann (1,250 comments) says:

    Again, DPF I have to say how restrained. cool and level-headed you often are with these posts about the various political parties. Your site is much more like a political commentary blog than a partisan rant. Thanks for the information.

    (And no, I’m not a Winston-First acolyte – hahaha).

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