Another non disclosure

September 4th, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Father of two ‘Ofa Ta’ufo’ou can’t spend more than $100 a week to feed his family.

That’s breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, drinks – the works. Any more and the Birkdale resident breaks the household budget.

The 43-year-old works “like an animal” for at least 40 hours a week and still struggles to make ends meet.

“At the moment I can’t afford to take my girls to the movies. So I have to ask: Who has failed my family? The system has.

“And I’m not the only one struggling. A lot of people in the community can’t function as a family because of their finances.”

The community worker says the problem is nationwide and something must be done.

I presume Mr Ta’ufo’ou is this one, who was a union delegate for the Labour-affiliated Service and Food Workers Union. That doesn’t mean he should ot be quoted, but does mean the public are not getting the full story.

Ta’ufo’ou supports the Movement that calls on the Government, employers and society to strive for a minimum wage of $18.80 an hour to reduce inequality and poverty.

That’s the living wage movememt backed by the union movement?

Also note we are not given any details to allow us to make an independent decision on his claims. We are not told his hourly pay rate, or that of his partner. We are not told how much support they get from Working for Families, and we are not told how much money is spent on various activities, except rent (and not told how big a house it is).

Now of course there is no obligation for a person to reveal these details – unless they pimp their story out to the media about how hard it is to make ends meet for themselves. When media don’t provide enough detail for people to make an independent judgement, the story is little more than a press release.

UPDATE: Also the Herald doesn’t mention their previous story in 2011 when he got a $30,000 backpayment.

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57 Responses to “Another non disclosure”

  1. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    Simply not good enough. Utterly disingenuous and shameful.

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  3. NK (1,228 comments) says:

    Whale is all over this: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/09/pimping-poor-telling-truth/

    I think a complaint to the Electoral Commission is in order – it’s a 3rd party ad without a promoter statement.

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  4. NK (1,228 comments) says:

    This does not change the fact that a lot of people are suffering out there because of income inequality Mr Farrar. Are you indifferent to their suffering?

    Income inequality has got nothing to do with this at all.

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  5. labrator (1,847 comments) says:

    The community worker says the problem is nationwide and something must be done.

    So can’t afford to feed his family but knows the problem is nationwide? How exactly does he know this information?

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  6. Ed Snack (1,848 comments) says:

    Who has failed the family ? You have ‘Ofa. “The System” ain’t got nothing to do with it. And econometric studies show….only when the Unionists are paying for the study. Unions today exist for one primary purpose: to support the political and power ambitions of those who run those unions. Union members, a necessary evil to be placated so they do what they’re bloody told.

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  7. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

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  8. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    labrator (1,852 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
    The community worker says the problem is nationwide and something must be done.

    So can’t afford to feed his family but knows the problem is nationwide? How exactly does he know this information?

    well im guessing he hasn’t got his head stuck up his arse

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  9. labrator (1,847 comments) says:

    The econometric studies show that a unionised workforce reduces wage stratification

    Communism also reduces wage stratification.

    … resulting in a fairer remunerative structure…

    Fairer is subjective.

    …where all hard workers are rewarded with inclusion in society.

    Yes because renumeration should be based on how hard someone works. If someone turns over the same piece of dirt over and over again they should be paid the same amount as someone who feeds an entire family with their labour. Explain exactly how people are excluded from society over the wage level

    What is so wrong with that?

    Apart from the gross corruption that has come with every hugely unionised force? How is that monopolies in business are bad but monopolies in Labour are a panacea? We already have some magnificent mechanisms in New Zealand to help people succeed, preventing individual success has never worked.

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  10. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    to support the political and power ambitions of those who run those unions

    #paranoidcynicism

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  11. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    “The econometric studies show that a unionised workforce reduces wage stratification, resulting in a fairer remunerative structure, where all hard workers are rewarded with inclusion in society.”

    Well that guy is clearly unionised and he’s still bitching about low pay.

    #thickaspigshitism

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  12. Tautaioleua (296 comments) says:

    I would like to know the following when we get blasted with all this “poverty” nonsense:

    1. Do the adults smoke?
    2. Do they drink alcohol? (I know a number of Pacific men who drink at least weekly).
    3. Do they engage in gambling?
    4. How much debt are they in?

    I bet the majority will answer yes to these questions, and will be up to their necks in debt from reckless loans to travel to Samoa for a funeral or something stupid like that. Nothing wrong with a private farewell right here in New Zealand.

    There is no poverty in New Zealand, only a poverty of household management.

    :-)

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  13. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    5. When did he get back from his 7 week trip to the USA?

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  14. Sector 7g (240 comments) says:

    We are only talking about equality of “income”. Why?

    What about equality of hard work?
    What about equality of school work?
    What about equality of study?
    What about equality of time doing apprenticeships?
    What about equality of student loans?
    What about equality of drinking, partying, not giving a fuck?

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  15. rangitoto (239 comments) says:

    On whale someone posted that they had seen this guys US hols pics posted on FB. $100 for food. Where’s the tui add.

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  16. Kimble (4,432 comments) says:

    The 43-year-old works “like an animal” for at least 40 hours a week and still struggles to make ends meet.

    “At the moment I can’t afford to take my girls to the movies. So I have to ask: Who has failed my family? The system has.

    Yeah, the system has you working a job that pays you so little you can struggle to provide for your family.

    Of course, a single person living with friends could live quite comfortably on what a family would struggle on.

    Why should everyone be forced to pay single people a “living” wage for a family?

    Why should single people be told, you can’t have this job because the market price of it is less than what some priest says someone in completely different circumstances to you should be earning?

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  17. NK (1,228 comments) says:

    Of course it does. Anyone with their ear to the ground doesn’t need a break-down of this guy’s household finances to know that you can work full time and still be on the bones of your arse, without drinking, drugging or smoking. It takes a certain kind of gated-community styled willful ignorance to not be aware of these things.

    These are symptoms of not having enough money. That’s got nothing to do with someone else having more.

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  18. Daniel (207 comments) says:

    For his $2000/fortnight for a 40hr week he is earning $25/hr after tax. As pointed out on whaleoil, if he can afford to go for a 7 week holiday in the USA and then doesn’t feed his children he should be investigated by CYFS. I’m surprised the SFWU have delegates that would rather go on overseas holidays than feed their hungry kids. Says a lot about Mr Ta’ufo’ou, the SFWU, and the affiliated Labour Party.

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  19. howitis (12 comments) says:

    There is very little told here. He is a long term pimp-the-poor advocate as well as a union advocate.
    Is the wife working? Why did he say three years ago he works an 80 hour week but here he works a 40 hour week.
    He was in the Herald with Pimp the Poor perfectionist Simon Collins which admitted he received $20,000 clear of tax in back pay. This was to ‘buy a house’ . I think we are seeing one of two options here – 1) He is economical with the truth or 2) he is a poor money manager and does not take responsibility for his OWN actions. I think a combo of 1 + 2. It does not cover whether he is sending remittances to family in Tonga and/or tithing to a church. Big fail from North Shore times but it’s principal role to sell plumbers and electrician services – not to inform.

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  20. Inthisdress (223 comments) says:

    If the newspaper prints information without having the journalistic nous to check even a facebook profile – chances are their readership are already convinced which party to vote for because they are already buying a paper that peddles uncritically regurgitated bullshit. It’s called reinforcement theory.

    Does anyone have a link to the guys USA holiday pics or would that be called ‘hacking’ ‘invasion of privacy’ or ‘illegal’ by certain people, because it doesn’t correspond with their political agenda?

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  21. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    Their combined fortnightly income is $2000, nearly half of which is spent on rent.

    The phrasing of this sentence makes me believe $2,000 is their fortnightly AFTER TAX income, and they are spending $500 per week on rent.

    He’s working 40 hours a week like everybody else and their household income is significantly more than one average wage.

    What’s the problem here?

    And why is it “the system’s fault”?

    NEWSFLASH: Life is hard work. Get used to it.

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  22. Bob R (1,363 comments) says:

    ***“At the moment I can’t afford to take my girls to the movies. So I have to ask: Who has failed my family? The system has.***

    Sadly this kind of problem is going to get worse as technology replaces more peoples jobs.

    I’m not sure what the answer is.

    Mr Ta’ufo’ou has to take some responsibility though for having children if he couldn’t afford to provide for them.

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  23. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    These are symptoms of not having enough money. That’s got nothing to do with someone else having more.

    If people are richer, they are prepared to pay more for things. That means increased demand. Increased demand means increased prices. That means all the basics of living are more expensive. Because of this income inequality is very important.

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  24. burt (8,232 comments) says:

    Distilled essence of NZ

    Are you seriously still advocating for unions ? You think it’s right that low paid workers have money extracted from their pay and donated to highly paid politicians so that highly paid politicians don’t need to use their own money for their advertising ?

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  25. burt (8,232 comments) says:

    Distilled essence of NZ

    So dramatically increasing the minimum wage – will that give people more money to pay for more things ? Will that mean increased demand and increased prices ?

    IE: Will inflation take away any benefit from the well meaning but fatally flawed social engineering ?

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  26. backster (2,150 comments) says:

    Maybe he could get his family in Samoa to send him what-ever they can afford to help him out.

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  27. Sporteone (38 comments) says:

    Income inequity, what a load of bollocks.

    What I want to know is when am I going to get my share of the pie as DC keeps on banging on about.

    There are a lot of single people out here who certainly do not get the tax breaks, working for families etc that families or people with kids get. I work a hell of a lot more than 40 hrs a week and all I seem to get is a bigger tax bill.

    I have my own medical insurance, so I don’t cost the govt anything if I need to see the specialist or go into hospital. I am extremely fit and I probably don’t get as sick as often as those that are unfit and I have my own accident insurance. I have only ever claimed for the first six weeks on ACC and then used my own insurance. Oh that’s right, a car cleaned me up and smashed my shoulder. The driver appeared in court with her 5 kids and pleaded poverty. Not insured so my insurance had to cover the damaged $12,000 bike. Oh and she was on the DPB had no partner, well so she said and was expecting her 6th child. There is something drastically wrong here.

    I want my bit of the pie

    Talk about income equity, I call it inequity in reverse.

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  28. BeaB (2,118 comments) says:

    In my ideal world the media will give us all the info, not just the bits that suit their spin. Dream on.
    And, when they give us these sob stories, they will ask the subject, “How long did you stay at school? What qualifications did you get?”
    Perhaps then we will all see the link between education and earnings.

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  29. burt (8,232 comments) says:

    Sporteone

    It’s people like you that provide the funds that make socialism popular to the people who want other peoples money. Thank you.

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  30. Fisiani (1,031 comments) says:

    More dirty tricks from Labour. Typical positive messaging Yeah right.

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  31. lastmanstanding (1,281 comments) says:

    Another of the ever growing Sense of Entitlement Brigade who the Left pander to and seek to destroy those who succeed by ever more taxes such as the CGT et al. 80% of taxes are paid by less than 20% of tax payers. 40% of income earners don’t pay any tax at all.

    Meanwhile those in the middle who cant arrange their affairs to avoid taxes are punished as they also pay health insurance and other costs that mean the government of the day is not having to support them.

    We now have so many welfare payments that a person on over $100K pa with a couple of kids gets welfare WFF FFS!!!!!

    The credo of independence getting off your arse only having as many kids as you could afford and providing for your wife and kids has been lost in the rush of pollies to bribe the greedy with the taxes of the hard working

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  32. stigie (1,101 comments) says:

    Yes Burt, socialism has to stop when they run out of spending other peoples hard earned money !~

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  33. NK (1,228 comments) says:

    If people are richer, they are prepared to pay more for things. That means increased demand. Increased demand means increased prices. That means all the basics of living are more expensive. Because of this income inequality is very important.

    So food is more expensive because the rich are buying more of it?

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  34. michaelmouse (14 comments) says:

    $1000 a week rent for a house in Birkdale? Come on.
    A cursory glance at Trademe and I found a 5 bdr house in Chatswood (a far nicer suburb than Birkdale) for $680 a week!

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  35. KiwiGreg (3,244 comments) says:

    “If people are richer, they are prepared to pay more for things. That means increased demand. Increased demand means increased prices. That means all the basics of living are more expensive. Because of this income inequality is very important.”

    Dear god, the stupid, it hurts.

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  36. lastmanstanding (1,281 comments) says:

    Sporteone Right On. Its time middle NZ stood up and stopped being cowered by the bleeding heart brigade. Did anyone force these people to have as many kids as they did. NO.

    Time for some self responsibility instead of trying to lay the blame on Society et al and trying to give good people a guilt trip.

    Time to grow a pair of balls and do the hard yards rather than the Im entitles to it and You are going to pay attitude.

    Time to tell Cunliffe Norman et al to Foxtrot Oscar with their stealing money from hard working kiwis and dishing it out to the moaning morons and losers.

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  37. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    So food is more expensive because the rich are buying more of it?

    Yes – despite it being a global market, someone in India (a poor country) can expect to pay much more for equivalent food (increased service costs), housing etc etc in NZ (a rich country). Basic economics. As long as supply is limited then increased demand will up the price. It feels weird having to school right wingers in market economics. I thought this shit was like religion to you.

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  38. Zapper (1,019 comments) says:

    Distilled

    Can you expand on that? Because I’ve done Post-Grad economics and have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m now concerned that the basic principles have changed in the 10 years since I finished uni.

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  39. wreck1080 (3,881 comments) says:

    While the journalism is shockingly bad, you have to admire what this guy does for work.

    If you are going to put yourself forward for these types of stories you need to be totally open or you will be ripped apart.

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  40. labrator (1,847 comments) says:

    So food is more expensive because the rich are buying more of it?

    You didn’t know that you have to eat more to maintain your bank account? Don’t worry, Distilled Essence of NZ will continue schooling you on “economics” if you keep listening.

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  41. simonway (383 comments) says:

    @dpf: is “I presume Mr Ta’ufo’ou is this one” meant to have a link to something?

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  42. KiwiGreg (3,244 comments) says:

    @zapper Don’t bother. Distilled is either a (not very good) troll, or really that clueless. Either way a waste of time.

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  43. srylands (408 comments) says:


    So food is more expensive because the rich are buying more of it?

    Yes –

    This is so stupid it makes me dizzy. The supply of food in New Zealand is mostly unconstrained. With a few exceptions, the demand for food in New Zealand is such a tiny fraction of world demand that the “rich” buying more food does not increase the price for the poor. In fact in developed nations like New Zealand, food has never been cheaper. The problem is too much cheap food, hence all the fat poor people.

    Inequality in the style of the Philippines or South Africa is a societal problem. But we do not have that here. The Gini coefficient has not changed much in 20 years. We have a highly redistributive tax system and a generous welfare system. I do have a problem if you are saying that we should significantly increase welfare payments or make the tax system even more progressive. Because it will ultimately make the problem of declining relative economic performance for New Zealand worse.

    Your cries to “reduce inequality” via redistribution will reduce returns to educaion.

    People who are on minimum wage in their 40s and 50s are going to have a hard life with minimal scope for luxuries. That is not a bad thing. The solution is to ensure that their children have every opporunity to be successful in education and to hammer them with examples of what will happen to them if they fail in education.

    We need a system that rewards effort and investment in human capital. I want those rewards increased not reduced. I would like to see raising education achievement treated almost as a national emergency, especially for the children of Mr ‘Ofa Ta’ufo’ou and those of his community. I want to see his children grow up understanding the cause and effect relationship between effort and reward, rather than thinking that prosperity can be dialled up by the Government through redistribution. We really have exhausted that route.

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  44. Zapper (1,019 comments) says:

    While we’re on the subject of complete morons, I’m a day late hearing this, but wow.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/election/ondemand/1909623683-david-cunliffe–the-pm-got-it-wrong-on-cgt

    The contempt in Larry’s voice is delicious.

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  45. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    7 week in the US on holiday

    BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Look on the brightside dude, in 10 years or so the kids wont be at home, youll be able to do a 12 week US holiday

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  46. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    Distilled is hilarious. yesterday it started out trolling an no one really responded. it then got more and more desperate as the day turned into night.

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  47. NK (1,228 comments) says:

    @zapper Don’t bother. Distilled is either a (not very good) troll, or really that clueless. Either way a waste of time.

    Which is why I’ve moved on and left him/her alone.

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  48. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Can’t afford to take the girls to the movies? Waste of time and money anyway.

    But if that’s the depth and definition of New Zealand poverty we’re not doing it too bad at all. Take them to the park and kick a ball or have some “quality time” playing a board game. Monopoly perhaps,then when you lose you can blame the evil bankers,after all it’s got to be someone else’s fault.

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  49. IGM (283 comments) says:

    This is the type of crap concocted by McCarten, Little, and Cunliffe. Let us see some emails, there will be all sorts of complicity with Fairfax and APN editorial staff. . . bloody stinks.

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  50. kiwicambo (7 comments) says:

    I will hazard a guess that with his 20k backpay, he paid for a 7 week holiday in the US of A, instead of investing it in.. say a house.. savings, his children’s future?…

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  51. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    My god, I thought Black With A Vengeance was fun during the 2011 election and was I was overjoyed with his return to KB.

    But Distilled essence of NZ is 24 carat comedy gold.

    More. More.

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  52. flipper (3,979 comments) says:

    Well, I WAQS AMIBNG THE 1

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  53. David Garrett (7,110 comments) says:

    Ah, the interweb… and search engines….makes bullshitting that much harder!!

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  54. itstricky (1,797 comments) says:

    Whale is all over this:

    Pffft. And the 2014 Definition of Nondisclosure award goes to… …errrrrr, who?

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  55. itstricky (1,797 comments) says:

    Ah, the interweb… and search engines….makes bullshitting that much harder!!

    And much easier to find all the historical leaks and rorts Collins has been involved in.

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  56. itstricky (1,797 comments) says:

    UPDATE: Also the Herald doesn’t mention their previous story in 2011 when he got a $30,000 backpayment.

    YEAH, true right, he should be thankful for what he has the ingracious bas*@#@!

    God, you can be an egg sometimes DPF.

    And I promise I won’t bring up the:

    UPDATE: Also the Herald doesn’t mention the $5 million bonus that Simon Moutter recieved while simultaneously tanking shareholder profit.

    The world is out of kilter. Just accept it and then do something to fix it rather than sitting on your backside denying it, like the good little boy that you are duely instructed to be.

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  57. flash2846 (273 comments) says:

    Stop posting!!!! Seriously. This is another attempt by the left wing degenerates to glean our feedback and pass it on to Pacific Islanders so they won’t vote National. Think about what you post. Cameron Slater has just found out the result. Open your brains!!!!

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  58. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Good reading. So many good contributions – saved me a lot of time trying to describe all the different types of fishy stench wafting from this steaming pile of shit story.

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