General Debate 3 September 2014

September 3rd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    “…….Australian boxer Mohamed Elomar, seen posing with two severed heads in his hands, even tweeted: “Don’t worry ASIO there is plenty of work for you guys coming up.”

    Some Yazidis, like Hassan, 22, a student, shake their heads in disbelief when recalling how only foreign Kurdish fighters from Turkey or Syria extended a lifeline in the face of the Islamic State. “They tied the hands of one woman to the back of a car and her legs to another car and they split her into two,” he said beside makeshift tents as women cried. “Have you seen anything like this? This is all because she is not Muslim and did not want to be converted. We barely made it.”

    In 1940 English Christian apologist C. S. Lewis wrote a brief essay on “Why I’m Not a Pacifist,” in which he makes the case for the use of force in a fallen world filled with evil. He said, “The doctrine that war is always a greater evil seems to imply a materialist ethic, a belief that death and pain are the greatest evils.”

    There can be greater evils than war, such as the unjust oppression and murder of innocent men, women and children. War may have been bad when he wrote this, but allowing Hitler and the Nazis to proceed with their genocide and global conquest was even worse.

    American theologian Reinhold Niebuhr has a chapter in his 1940 book Christianity and Power Politics entitled “Why the Church Is Not Pacifist”. Niebuhr was not a pacifist because for him “pacifism either tempts us to make no judgements at all, or to give an undue preference to tyranny”.
    Again, the idea of allowing horrific tyranny and oppression to run unchecked is a leading case as to why pacifism is neither fully biblical nor fully moral.

    The thousands of foreign jihadists serving with the Islamic State — 150 men from Sydney Australia alone, Britain, France, the US, Austria, Canada, Holland, Norway, Chechnya and more — have made numerous videos warning that we in the West are next.
    Australian boxer Mohamed Elomar, seen posing with two severed heads in his hands, even tweeted: “Don’t worry ASIO there is plenty of work for you guys coming up.”

    I for one will stick with millennia of sensible thinking and careful moral reasoning on the need to use force when appropriate to curtail evil and stop tyranny. Great minds like Lewis and Niebuhr are just two of many who know of the inherent weakness of pacifism in a real world of evil, and evil men.

    By all means, pray for the situation overseas. But as they used to sing during WWII, “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.”

    http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/09/01/on-pacifism-and-the-islamic-state/

    The Nazis invaded Poland, so Churchill leveled Berlin and Dresden. And the Yanks burnt Horishima and two other cities to the ground. All to stop the spread of evil.

    Later the USSR invasion of Yugoslavia woke the people of the world at that time up to the evil face of spreading communisim, so Pope JP2, Thatcher and Reagan ended that too……

    ……and the world is now waking up to the evil face of spreading Islam.

    Abbott I think, has identified the enemy – and he doesn’t want them ‘coming home’. Praise the Lord.

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  2. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201436/27548df52272c18f27227acd352110e757422f1f_620x311.jpg

    Gotcha :lol:

    Great day. the suns out again.

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  3. hj (6,915 comments) says:

    Auckland Apartments show need for regulation (can’t trust the market slime)

    Unitec architecture school senior lecturer David Turner said inner-city apartments were necessary and could be done well.

    But he said shoebox apartments built in Auckland about a decade ago were poorly designed.

    “We’ve had a period where we’ve built very sub-standard apartments, because we haven’t seen the need to regulate their form or their size, so we have built ourselves a lot of problems, which will take a great deal of undoing,” he said.

    Mr Turner said no other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development country had allowed such substandard apartments to be built in the same time period.
    “If you go to Kenya or Bangladesh or something, you’ll find equivalent standards, but those aren’t the standards we want our stuff to be compared to,” he said.

    “We don’t see ourselves as being equivalent to the sort of standards acceptable in Sao Paulo.”

    Some of the apartment blocks were so undesirable buyers would not want them in the long-term, Mr Turner said.

    When that started to happen, it could become an inner-city slum, he said.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/253620/slum-warning-over-auckland-cbd
    Not in that case anyway.

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  4. EAD (995 comments) says:

    Policewoman found guilty of “racist abuse” by using “insulting words”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/10451694/Policewoman-found-guilty-of-racial-abuse

    I do not agree with the things that this individual said in private and indeed if they were said to me I would have let them know this, however that does not mean she should be punished for having private thoughts.

    The thing I am most shocked about is that we have actually gone so far down the road to “1984” that we are scared to do anything but agree with the PC army. Where does it stop? Who decides what is and isn’t ok to say? More than this if the desired result of this “thought policing” is to eradicate these thoughts I think that quite clearly (let us just consult history) is not going to happen this way unless the political elite want to rule in a climate of fear where we must watch what we say unless it is deemed offensive.

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  5. hj (6,915 comments) says:

    Last July the government agency, which has collected mundane statistics on energy matters for decades, quietly revealed that 127 of the world’s largest oil and gas companies are running out of cash.

    They are now spending more than they are earning. Profits have lagged as expenditures have risen. Overburdened by debt, these firms are selling assets.

    The math is simple. The 127 firms generated $568 billion in cash from their operations during 2013-2014 while their expenses totalled $677 billion. To cover the difference of $110 billion, the energy giants increased their debt load or sold off assets.

    Given that the gap between earned cash and spending stood at a modest $10 billion in 2010, that’s a significant change for the industry as well as the global economy it fuels.

    Most companies are now investing in high-cost and high-risk projects to mine difficult hydrocarbons such as bitumen or shale oil, according to Carbon Tracker. Hydraulic fracturing, the land equivalent of ocean bottom trawling, adds to the cost of oil, too.

    It’s not only the firms deploing fracking that are racking up high debt loads. Chinese state-owned corporations, for example, plopped down $30 billion to develop junk crude in the oilsands over the last decade.

    But with a few exceptions, none of the investments are making a good dollar return due to the difficult and costly nature of mining messy bitumen as well as problematic quality of the reserves, combined with huge cost overruns.

    http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-08-29/a-big-summer-story-you-missed-soaring-oil-debt

    Watch this space, I say?

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  6. oldpark (285 comments) says:

    Heard the serial self centered thirty plus years in Parliament all about him Winston Peters.He has cost the country of NZ many many millions with his forever jumping at shadows and conspiracy claims.He keeps ruling out most things if he gets the so called balance of power.First Winston get over the line.You are so bloody arrogant with your comments.Seems the only thing you havn’t ruled out is yourself ,be careful the way you have been raving ,that could happen as well.

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  7. Black with a Vengeance (1,832 comments) says:

    Fundamentalism and ultra nationalist conservatism is the enemy.

    None of my business but, fuck the Russians invading Ukraine and pretending they aren’t. They should just repatriate any Ukraininan that wants to be Russian and freely resettle them in Russia. No need to invade and stoke a civil war.

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  8. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    Harriet – as a woman I don’t think you have the right to comment on Islam untill you experience it. It’s very offensive to talk about a culture you don’t understand. I would go as far as to say you are insighting hatred.

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  9. hj (6,915 comments) says:

    Some of the apartment blocks were so undesirable buyers would not want them in the long-term, Mr Turner said.

    When that started to happen, it could become an inner-city slum, he said.

    but don’t people like Eric Crampton say the market knows best? The problem is that their choice of what to serve for dinner creates an enduring lost opportunity to do the right thing?

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  10. Black with a Vengeance (1,832 comments) says:

    Im thinking of voting for nick smith.

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  11. mandk (968 comments) says:

    EAD: “I do not agree with the things that this individual said in private and indeed if they were said to me I would have let them know this, however that does not mean she should be punished for having private thoughts. ”

    What the cop did was not in private, and she didn’t merely have a private thought.
    She was extremely abusive and she even assaulted the taxi driver.

    Clearly, the judge also thought she was displaying a lack of candour in court.

    Being a taxi driver, having to deal with late night drunks, is a shit job and they need to be protected.

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  12. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Padriv Ustoev
    Harriet is a man.

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  13. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Does anyone else here think our Padriv is a piss taker? Not really a raghead goatfucker but just trolling.

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  14. oldpark (285 comments) says:

    Cunliffe got the CGT answer all wrong.He didn’t have one.He then went to David Parker,who in 2006 as Labour’s Attorney General in Clark Government.Parker had to resign ,as he was caught filing false declarations on company documents.Parker then said no CGT on family home in trusts.How could anyone believe what he says,when he was caught filing false declarations on company documents. Http//www .nzherald.co.nz/nz/n. What an indictment,for Labours future finance Minister.How could anyone vote positive when a skelton in Parker’s cupboard gets revisited.

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  15. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    mandk

    She wasn’t found guilty of assault.

    So taxi drivers’ have to deal with drunks all the time, yes. No doubt they deal with rude and abusive people on a very regular basis. Problem is oly certain types of rudeness are now punishable in court. Why should “racial” rudeness be a crime when other types of rudeness aren’t?

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  16. minus (178 comments) says:

    Winston is very transparent by not able to keep his gob closed.

    More so when he does have something to say and is under a certain amount of pressure.
    This is what makes it rather doubtful that the Collins “Me-Instead-of-Key” approach was made when Winston says, or made at all, since Winston insists it was prior to Oravida.

    Winston would have you believe he suffered repeated rebuffs in many Question Times failing to nail Collins over Oravida, without using the smoking gun he thinks he had.

    Pity that after making up this Collins “Me-Instead-of-Key” conspiracy, Winston didn’t email it to himself because as it is, it probably falls outside any Dirty Politics Inquiry.

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  17. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    Griff – Well a man posing as a woman, definitely cannot judge Islam. I’m certain it is some sort of abomination and according to the Koran is punished with rocks or beheading. I’ll have to check and get back to you.

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  18. Simon (697 comments) says:

    Padriv Ustoev
    Griff is a shut in.

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  19. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Simon is a cubical monkey. :lol:

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  20. twofish (86 comments) says:

    Listening to Hoskings this morning, he reported that none of the minor leaders in the forthcoming debate on TV1 would share a “green room” with each other, so he needed to find eight “green rooms” which they didn’t have. Makes you wonder how the hell they will work together post election.
    – James Growley, comment at Whaleoil

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  21. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Last night on GD southern raider posted that Peter Dunne had joined the anti Israel BDS. So what’s that about.I know the Anglican Church is very keen on BDS. What’s the story?

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  22. EAD (995 comments) says:

    “Assaulted” the taxi driver – are you sure that is the correct usage of the word “assaulted”?

    Here’s 2 questions for ya in order to analyse how the press is covering this unsavoury incident:

    What is the difference between this and the Maori Kings son using the same sort of language? Why is only 1 a “criminal” offence?

    Do you think this is the appropriate level of punishment and coverage for this type of behaviour? Do you think a matter between 2 individuals deserves extensive media coverage and micro-analysed when no actual crime apart from a “word crime” took place?

    What she said was deeply unpleasant, but my point is that this relativity private dispute is being blown out of all proportion as if it is the crime of the century. This should have been dealt with by an apology and a donation to charity not a full scale media circus.

    It is the MSM out to push an agenda.

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  23. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    Simon – what is a shut in? I don’t know that term. Is it like a eunuch?

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  24. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Good morning you hardcore readers . . .

    Food is my fuel, rather than a form of entertainment

    – A Life On Gorge River, Robert Long

    I’ve spent ages trying to sum up Western food culture, and this s.o.b does it in ten words the filthy beggar !!

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  25. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11071159/Steven-Sotloff-beheaded-by-Islamic-State-live.html

    This man’s mother made a moving appeal for mercy to his captors.

    ISIS needs to be dealt with in the same way they deal with people. They need to be ruthlessly and merclessly wiped off the face of the planet.

    Obama,Cameron,Hollande have blood on their hands ,they helped destabalise Syria which helped this monster grow.They now need to make amends ,get their airforces over there and blow every last one of these animals back to their “prophet”.

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  26. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Padriv Ustoev (38 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 8:13 am
    Harriet – as a woman I don’t think you have the right to comment on Islam untill you experience it. It’s very offensive to talk about a culture you don’t understand. I would go as far as to say you are insighting hatred.

    Cover your head in shame, woman. For misspelling inciting (hatred).

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  27. mandk (968 comments) says:

    @ kowtow

    I know she wasn’t found guilty of assault, but she clearly assaulted the guy.

    And the fact remains that, contrary to what EAD claimed, none of it was in private.

    Any sort of disorderly behaviour is punishable in court, if a complaint is made.

    @ EAD – three questions, three answers
    1) Very little
    2) Yes, especially if it is a cop – they’re supposed to be like Caesar’s wife
    3) Yes, because the cop was obviously abusing her status in order to intimidate.

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  28. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    “…..Harriet – as a woman I don’t think you have the right to comment on Islam untill you experience it. It’s very offensive to talk about a culture you don’t understand. I would go as far as to say you are insighting hatred…..”

    The Australian Federal police know exactly where in Indonesia that Aussie, and Kiwi girls from New Zealand, get taken to by their parents to have their ‘excitable bit’ cut off. They’re usually between the ages of 5-10. No I don’t want to experiance that – even if I was a woman.

    And it’s not ‘offensive’ to publicly and reasonably announce what you see as the truth. Just ask any lawyer here.

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  29. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Padriv Ustoev (39 comments) says: September 3rd, 2014 at 8:24 am
    Griff – Well a man posing as a woman, definitely cannot judge Islam. I’m certain it is some sort of abomination and according to the Koran is punished with rocks or beheading. I’ll have to check and get back to you.

    What about a boy posing as a man? Can they get stoned too?

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  30. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/WCAS-D-13-00059.1

    The devastating civil war that began in Syria in March 2011 is the result of complex interrelated factors. The focus of the conflict is regime change, but the triggers include a broad set of religious and sociopolitical factors, the erosion of the economic health of the country, a wave of political reform sweeping over the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) and Levant region, and challenges associated with climate variability and change and the availability and use of freshwater.As described here, water and climatic conditions have played a direct role in the deterioration of Syria’s economic conditions. There is a long history of conflicts over water in these regions because of the natural water scarcity, the early development of irrigated agriculture, and complex religious and ethnic diversity. In recent years, there has been an increase in incidences of water-related violence around the world at the subnational level attributable to the role that water plays in development disputes and economic activities. Because conflicts are rarely, if ever, attributable to single causes, conflict analysis and concomitant efforts at reducing the risks of conflict must consider a multitude of complex relationships and contributing factors. This paper assesses the complicated connections between water and conflict in Syria, looks more broadly at future climate-related risks for water systems, and offers some water management strategies for reducing those risks.

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  31. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    EAD – “Who decides what is and isn’t ok to say?”

    The progressives.

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  32. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    Dennis Horne – how about I post in arabic, would that be better? أنا مريض من bollocks الكافر الخاص بك

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  33. EAD (995 comments) says:

    @ BOV

    Honestly, I’m not surprised Russia sent in a small number of infantry units but it is hardly what I’d call an “invasion”. Donetsk and the surrounding area is ethnically Russian. The Ukrainan army and air force have been bombing the crap out of the area. Using cluster and flachette weapons on civilian targets.

    Why would Putin not help people he sees as Russian? In days gone by the West would have done the same. Saying that, we have to remember that this is about the EU getting the oil and gas in the West of the Ukraine so they are not reliant on Russia.

    And as Paul Craig Roberts notes, if Russia really “invaded” Ukraine, we’d be talking about the battle for Kiev or the capture of Lvov on the Ukraine’s far West border rather than skirmishes on the Ukraine’s eastern border:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/01/can-tell-whether-russia-invaded-ukraine/

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  34. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    Can someone explain why Key doesn’t just bite the bullet and rule out working with Winston (again)?

    Winston seems close to out of control and he (IMHO) definitely isn’t going to go with Key anyway – hence Key loses nothing. And it will give the electorate some certainty about what they are voting for.

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  35. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    Harriet – it looks like you have a little bit of education, which is quite common for women in the west. But in other parts how they say: A woman with education is like a horse with wings. So you must be careful not to speak out of turn or you will get your wings clipped. Insha’Allah.

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  36. Gravelroad (143 comments) says:

    Fame:
    John Key – communicator
    Bill English – quiet achiever and person of influence
    Winston Peters – emperor – who puts on his flash clothes once every three years

    Lame:
    D. Cunliffe – Yes, Headmaster
    Whale Oil – Plenty of spouting, but lost at sea
    Judith Collins – suggest career as new Judge Judy

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  37. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    I’m sick of your bollocks infidel
    nice
    العودة إلى الخاص بك مقيت الماعز مزرية وطن

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  38. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    Seems to be a big hoo-haa about what the Labour party’s policy is on Capital Gains Tax. The question is, what is the combined CGT policy of Labour, Green, Internet, Mana, Public Watchdog, etc.

    And what happens to the rest of their “policies” when the forecast CGT revenue fails to be realised (ie when they trash the economy and prices drop through the floor).

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  39. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    Griff – you misspelled goat. There is an elongated squiggly line after the sideways dash.

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  40. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Padriv Ustoev (41 comments) says: September 3rd, 2014 at 8:41 am
    Dennis Horne – how about I post in arabic, would that be better? أنا مريض من bollocks الكافر الخاص بك

    As you said yourself, BOLLOCKS.

    And I can do that too:
    أنا مريض من bollocks الكافر الخاص بك

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  41. Sublime (276 comments) says:

    Security is likely to be beefed up at the High Court in Auckland today with an appearance for the man charged with killing of Connor Morris.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbcri/2101750759-man-accused-of-murdering-connor-morris-in-court

    Today’s news hype level will be wound up a couple of notches. Watch for quiet political announcements.

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  42. EAD (995 comments) says:

    at mandk

    This is a case study in the Frankfurt School of marxism 11 point plan to destroy Western Civilisation from within, namely points 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8 & 10.

    1. The creation of racism offences.
    2. Continual change to create confusion
    3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
    4. The undermining of schools’, teachers’ and police authority
    5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
    6. The promotion of excessive drinking
    7. Emptying of churches
    8. An unreliable legal system
    9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
    10. Control and dumbing down of media
    11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

    The out of proportion attention this is getting is just another form of Stalin’s “show trials”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100071534/the-poisonous-legacy-of-britains-anti-racism-show-trial/

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  43. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Having had a bit of a trawl thru the interweb this moring looking at comments sections about the debate it seems Labourites are out to cover the place with astro turf.

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  44. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Those interested in the criminal hack that fed Hager the Horrible might find this New Yorker?i>article opn the Anonymous hackers very interesting:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/08/masked-avengers?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklyemail

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  45. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    mandk

    If the taxi passenger assualted the driver then she should have been charged accordingly. Likewise if you think her behaviour was “disorderly ” then charge accordingly.

    If there was insufficient evidence to proceed on those charges then there should have been no prosecution. The state resorted to the offensive language as a last resort and very possibly because the woman was a police officer. That beinfg the case the prosecution was again unwarranted. A similar case in Invercargill was not brought before the courts.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/no-charges-over-taxi-driver-racist-abuse-2013073116

    “Racial abuse” is not and should not be a crime in New Zealand. The state is using the offensive language law to now criminalise people who use rude language relating to race,immigration,employment and religious issues.Very dangerous.

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  46. Tauhei Notts (1,692 comments) says:

    It is general debate so I can put this here.
    My gripe about elections is the amount of time that it takes on election night to get results to the public.
    For example, in my electorate there are 92 polling booths. The biggest of them will have about 2400 voters. The vast majority of them will have less than 200 votes cast at them.
    For booths with less than 400 votes there is no excuse whatsoever to have the vote count finished after 7.40 p.m. For the larger booths they could easily have all of the votes counted by 8.30 p.m.
    Nowadays we have spread sheets, texting, e mail and mobile telephones. If the polling booth officers cannot use that sort of technology then they should not be polling booth officers.
    What we will see is that 74 of the 92 polling booths in my electorate are at schools. The polling booth officer is likely to be a school teacher, and bring with them the hubris of the PPTA and/or the NZEI. What that means is that at the close of the booths at 7 00 p.m. they will not want to count the votes. They will want to clean up the voting booth, make a cup of tea, talk about the weather and everybodies’ health, then when they are all bored stiff they will count the votes. The fact that the rest of the country is on tenterhooks waiting for the figures will be of no concern to NZEI acolytes. They have been brought up to treat the general population with disdain.
    It is important that the Electoral Commission advise the polling booth officers that the rest of the country is waiting for them. Although accuracy is paramount, counting 280 votes is not rocket science; it can be done and checked by somebody else long before the kettle boils and the cup of tea is consumed and the brooms are sought for clean up.
    The above comments are based upon my experience of being a scrutineer at the 2002, 2005 and 2008 elections. My comments on the NZEI are based upon my experience as a trustee on the Intermediate School’s Board of Trustees. My generous timetable for counting votes is based upon a working lifetime of counting beans.

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  47. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Prime Minister John Key is currently a shareholder in the Bank of America (check out the MPs Register of Financial Interests – pg 30 on http://www.parliament.govt.nz).

    I am awaiting with some interest the reply to the OIA that I have sent to the NZ Treasury to find out details of NZ’s current exposure to the derivatives market, and what legislative changes have happened to make it easier for NZ to become exposed to the derivatives market, since John Key, former head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch and foreign exchange advisor to the New York Federal Reserve, became Prime Minister in 2008.

    Whose interests is NZ Prime Minister John Key really serving?

    Follow the dollar …….

    How many Kiwibloggers think it is ok for Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    It would not be lawful for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America if he was the Prime Minister of Australia.

    FACT.

    Penny Bright

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  48. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    John Key isn’t the Prime Minister of Australia.

    FACT.

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  49. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    graham, dont read that shit, it will do your head in.

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  50. oldpark (285 comments) says:

    Latest reports coming out of Auckland is NZ Herald are being accused of gerrymandering the election ,by promoting the german criminals SCHMIDZ/DOTCONS party.As well as promoting the german crook wanted by the FBI,sneaky slippery way using a system that the Electoral Commission are asleep at the wheel on allowing.Cunliffe and Dotcons faces plus an electoral election ballot box are being featured.Seems the rumours that Labour are in bed with the criminal Dotcon is being confirmed.One would have thought that our democracy was being compromised enough ,without the Australian owned Herald getting up to Gerrymandering tactics.

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  51. stephieboy (2,788 comments) says:

    EAD,

    A small  scale Russian infantry units in the Ukraine.?

    Utter Bollux,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-novoazovsk-exclusive-idUSKBN0GQ19U20140826

    Paul Craig Roberts can count himself very fortunate that he does not live in Putin’s Russia ,

    Journalistic death toll in Putin’s Russia,

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2012/mar/11/journalist-safety-vladimir-putin

    I have nothing but contempt for Roberts so wiling to be duped and swallow Putin’s and  the Kremlin’s Propaganda line.!

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  52. Other_Andy (2,608 comments) says:

    kowtow says at 9:12 am

    Good to see I am not the only one that think this case is fraught with problems.

    So the woman was offensive and rude.
    He could have thrown her out of the taxi.

    But going to court?

    So what constitutes “offensive language”?
    Where is that defined in law?
    Can I now drag Hatfield into court for “offensive language”?

    This is truly 1984 stuff.

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  53. Padriv Ustoev (45 comments) says:

    That taxi driver needs to harden up. He was told to go home. Someone just told me to fuck a goat, and I’m not angry, just biding my time untill we establish teh Califate Insha’Allah.

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  54. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    On this day in history New Zealand declared war on Germany

    http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/speech/34551/new-zealand-declares-war-on-germany

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  55. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Re Kowtow a 9.12 and Other_Andy at 9.36.

    The woman may have been pissed and offensive, but surely that does not warrant destroying her career. That would be a travesty and proof the police establishment has been corrupted by multiculturalism.

    Taxi drivers have always had to weather verbal heckling and even abuse from drunken passengers. Surely an apology would suffice for this offended immigrant. Beyond that, he is calling the shots in our country.

    What are we doing bringing in people to drive taxis, any way? There are many local unemployed people with skill levels who could fill this job. Instead, our open doors policy on Asian migration has filled our taxi ranks with folk who say, that in their home countries, they would be brain surgeons or nuclear engineers.

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  56. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Troll Padriv Ustoev is back posing as an Islamic fundamentalist.

    At least this troll has a sense of humour.

    Padriv, a warning: don’t accept any letters with exotic stamps and post marks that contain job offers of concert party work work in hot countries. The ISIS are puritans and have no sense of humour at all.

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  57. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Seems some Kiwibloggers have an allergic reaction to the FACTS?

    How on earth is it not a MAJOR conflict of interest for ex-Wall Street banker – now NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    What does the mainly Government-funded Transparency International NZ have to say about this?

    (Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer anytime soon … )

    Yep – the ‘perception’ (based upon subjective opinions of anonymous business people)
    that NZ is the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ is being smashed to pieces with the deeply ingrained corruption REALITY triggered by the right-wing smear campaigns exposed in Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’.

    About time.

    Penny Bright

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  58. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    You don’t seem too keen on the FACTS either, Penny.

    As you said – It would not be lawful for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America if he was the Prime Minister of Australia.

    But John Key isn’t the Prime Minister of Australia. Therefore it is perfectly lawful.

    FACT.

    So … errr … why do you object to this FACT???

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  59. stephieboy (2,788 comments) says:

    ” Black like Me by John Howard Griffen is a remarkable account of prvelaged Southern white man who decided to cosmetically darken his skin and see what i it was like to live the life of a “Negro ” in the South back in the late. 1950s early sixties.In his travels he experienced the ongoing degregaton the humiliation ,abuse , the racist taunts etc so common in the every life of Black people there.
    It was a stunning and disturbing revelation.

    http://www.amazon.com/Black-Like-John-Howard-Griffin/dp/0451234219

    I would suggest that Kowtow and others try and darken their skin and travel around a bit and feel and see what it could be like .People like you and others who seem to make so much light of racial taunts and abuse.

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  60. wf (426 comments) says:

    @ Jack5 – have you SEEN some of the local unemployed (with skill levels – ? – who could fill this job)?

    Would YOU get into a taxi with them?

    I wouldn’t.

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  61. alex Masterley (1,510 comments) says:

    Hey Penny,
    I saw you at the Hagar meeting at the Mt Eden War memorial hall last week.
    It looked like you were sitting beside Kim dotcom?
    Given you seemed to have some new kit on has he sent some money over for your campaign?

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  62. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Why am I apparently the only person who thinks it’s a MAJOR conflict of interest for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    Don’t believe a word I say – check it out for yourself.

    http://www.parliament.govt.nz

    MPs

    Register of Financial Interests

    Pg 30

    Come on Kiwibloggers.

    Step up to the plate.

    Who will put their name to agreeing that it is ok, and not an arguably corrupt conflict of interest for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    This should be FASCINATING ….

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  63. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    At 8.36, mandk posted of the Queenstown policewoman now being chased by the PC multiculturalist lynch mob:

    …she clearly assaulted the guy…

    What garbage.

    An apology is sufficient. That’s far more than generations of taxi drivers have received for equivalent or worse abuse from pissed passengers.

    As for mandk’s metaphor that cops are “supposed to be like Caesar’s wife”…. mandk is arse about. It would be the policewoman’s husband who is in the moral position of Caesar’s wife.

    It’s more than interesting that while Leftists and PC thicko’s like multiculturalists are into apologising to minorities, they don’t think apologies are sufficient for others – they want their heads.

    If the police establishment crucify this policewoman, I think the NZ Counter-Reformation against the politically correct has its first martyr.

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  64. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Yep the taxi thing ,the police and media response as EAD has shown is disturbing.

    Reading the papers I see the woman is “guilty of racial abuse” .This gives the impression that making a racial comment is a crime. Not so sure about that.

    The offence the woman is guilty of seems to be created under the Summary Offences Act.But it’s not “racial abuse” that’s not in the Act.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0113/latest/whole.html#DLM53500

    Every day the police will be dealing with similar.But now we have the police saying “we won’t tolerate racism” and charging people who direct words to non whites.Is it the role of the police to enforce only this aspect of offensive behaviour.The headlines the media give these cases also show their agenda.These cases are trivial and should be buried in the court pages.But no, the public must be bludgeoned and confused into submission .

    Here’s another.
    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/278334/fined-ordering-woman-remove-burqa

    Contrast how the state prosecutes those who are rude to foreigners while in Britain for example the Rotherham rot was allowed by state agents to go uninvestigated and actively covered up so as to appear non racist. Two sides of the same multicultural agenda coin. Not a coincidence.

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  65. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Give us some FACTS then, Penny — not BASELESSS innuendo, slur and cheap political side-swipes in typical slateresque fashion.
    Fact 1. How many shares does the Prime Minister have in Bank Of America?
    Fact 2. What percentage does the Prime Minister’s holding bear to the total issue of shares in Bank Of America?
    Fact 3. What specific decisions has the Prime Minister made that may affect the value of his share holding?
    Fact 4. What fluctuations have there been in Bank Of America shareholding since the Prime Minister became Prime Minister and where is there any link to any attribution of that fluctuation to any policy adopted by the government of New Zealand?
    Fact 5. What possible relevance can the fact that he was at one stage a Wall Street banker have to the price of fish?
    Fact 6. List all factors influencing the value of shares in Bank Of America and identify in particular any influential factor attributable to any country the size of New Zealand?
    Fact 7. What is the value of the Prime Minister’s holding in Bank Of America and what percentage of his total portfolio is that?
    Fact 8. What policies, decisions or other actions has the Prime Minister taken that can only be attributable to any concern for the value of his shares in Bank Of America as opposed to sound governance policies? Specifically, can you identify any decisions that he has made that, in your view, would have been different but for the holding of the shares in Bank Of America?

    When you have given us these FACTS, why do not you then give us an analysis of those facts and a reasoned argument that there is a conflict of interest rather than your hysterical “the sky is falling in” mantra based on inbuilt prejudices and bigotry.

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  66. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    wf posted at 9.59:

    have you SEEN some of the local unemployed…

    Wf obviously lives in Auckland or Wellington and is thinking of drug addicts and poor, abandoned schizophrenics living under bridges.

    In the regions, there are many good people thrown out of work in export industries by the high kiwi dollar which keeps the Asian enclave of Auckland and the bureaucratic enclave of Wellington in affordable BMW’s. Queenstown is in commuting distance of many southern rural towns where good, solid locals could drive taxis.

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  67. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Nice try Alex.

    No – I was NOT sitting next to Kim Dotcom at the Auckland Nicky Hager public meeting.

    For the public record – I have not and would not accept any financial contribution of any kind from Kim Dotcom.

    So you like my lovely new coat?

    $22 from clothing recyclers ‘Babes and Dudes’ :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  68. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    jack5

    Importing taxi drivers. I completly agree and so does Labour’s David Parker. Should he be charged with “insulting language”.Shocking calling immigrants “low value”. Royal Commission?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/election-2014/313898/immigration-gaffe-jumped

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  69. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  70. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Stephieboy at 9.58 posted:

    Kowtow and others try and darken their skin and travel around a bit and feel and see what it could be like .

    Or you could get off-duty policewomen fired.

    We have to take some arrows and slings in everyday life. Wander around the far back streets of Hong Kong away from the white tourists and you may still hear the words – gwai lo – foreign devil, or words meaning “big nose”. Some Chinese use a racist term for Indians – black monkeys. You have Indian cricket fans making ape calls at a brown skinned Australian cricketer.

    If you ignore this garbage, it doesn’t mean you condone it. It means you get on with life and put the garbage in perspective.

    As an off-duty policewoman, the Queenstown woman is held to higher standards, but an apology from her, in addition to the vast publicity she has received (including with her picture), is definitely punishment enough.

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  71. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    I see a couple of references to the 75th anniversary of WWII, but given that it’s 100 years since the dramatic events of August-September 1914, I think WWII remembrances might be overshadowed for once.

    And deservedly so. I suggest you all have a read of the following article, which gets stuck into the standard assumptions about the Treaty of Versailles and it’s role in the rise of the Nazis and starting WWII: Guilt Trip:

    But Germany started the war, which was fought almost entirely on foreign soil, and, along with the other Central Powers, it inflicted horrendous property damage and killed millions. As the historian Sally Marks points out, “France’s ten richest industrial departments were only horrific ruins, over 1,000 square miles now a desert.” German industry was intact. Why shouldn’t Germany pay?

    It points out that if you want to see a case of harshness you need look no further than the way Germany fucked over Russia in their 1917 peace treaty.

    The article is a little long and delves into some of the artistic and cultural atmosphere of pre-WWI Europe, but one character who appears is none other than the sear of sears, John Maynard Keynes, and like the art of the day, appearing in a very modern way:

    Keynes in effect reversed the direction of the guilt and, in an access of sentimentality that will be familiar to contemporary students of political correctness, made the perpetrators appear to be the victims and vice versa. It turns out that there is a moral variety of Keynesianism as well as the more familiar economic version. Mantoux aptly calls this transvaluation of values “meaculpism.” It’s an apt phrase. “Long before Hitler had made his appearance on the European scene,” he notes sardonically, “meaculpists were agitating for revision of the Treaty.”

    As usual his economic predictions were crap as well:

    But it was the territorial settlement of the Treaty, in which Germany lost more than 13 percent of its territory, that Keynes said would sharply “diminish the production of useful commodities” and lead to the starvation of those “millions of German men, women, and children.”

    In fact, ten years later, Europe’s production and standard of living were well above the pre-war level. Keynes predicted that the iron and steel output of Germany would diminish, but by 1927 it was producing nearly 30 percent more iron and 38 percent more steel than the record year of 1913. It was the same story with other commodities.

    Read the whole thing and compare it to modern hand-wringing conclusions about ISIS or Hamas or Russia – or anybody that wants to stick it to the West.

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  72. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Fascinating.

    Penny levels some vague accusations about a conflict of interest at John Key; Nookin quite properly asks her to clarify and validate these vague accusations and shadowy insinuations, listing some specific very pertinent questions; Penny doesn’t even bother PRETENDING to answer, instead choosing to deflect and insult.

    It certainly seems apparent that Penny can’t “handle the jandal” when it comes to debates. How on earth would she cope in Parliament? Where people would not only ask her questions, but actually expect them to be answered!

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  73. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Griff posted at 9.42:

    On this day in history New Zealand declared war on Germany

    Well that sure wrecked the Fuehrer’s morning!

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  74. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ Jack5

    Most Kiwis aren’t prepared to work the long hours and night shifts required to make a living out of taxis.

    There are a lot of other jobs, particularly in cleaning, that only immigrants are prepared to do.

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  75. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    How many Kiwibloggers know that Auckland Council Treasury got an international award for being ‘best borrowers’ and is currently exposed to $5.8 BILLION in derivatives?

    Penny Bright

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  76. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    stephie

    “I would suggest that Kowtow and others try and darken their skin and travel around a bit and feel and see what it could be like .People like you and others who seem to make so much light of racial taunts and abuse.”

    Make no mistake, I condemn the rude behaviour of such people.It has no place in civil society. I have a problem with criminalising bad manners. I have a problem with the uneven aplication of the law.I have a problem with the media’s agenda of giving such cases such high profiles.I have a problem with the states’ application of and adherence to a progressive ,multicultural agenda.

    If I “blacked up” as I believe the expression is ,as stephie suggests ,I’d probably be accused of racism!

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  77. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Penny Bright posted at 10.12:

    No – I was NOT sitting next to Kim Dotcom at the Auckland Nicky Hager public meeting.

    As long as you weren’t on one of his fat knees, Penny.

    And can you please elaborate on the $5.8 billion in derivatives that the home city of Brown and Whale is in hock for?

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  78. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    Hey, Penny,

    Just a couple of questions, and serious ones: –

    Are all financial transactions corrupt and exploitative?

    If not, how do you tell the difference?

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  79. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Hang on Penny, we’re still waiting for you to explain exactly WHY you consider John Key owning shares in the Bank of America is a major conflict of interest in his running of New Zealand!!! Stop trying to change the subject and hope nobody notices.

    Meant in a CARING way, of course. :-)

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  80. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    “There are a lot of other jobs, particularly in cleaning, that only immigrants are prepared to do.

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    Don’t believe it. That’s just an excuse to keep bringing in more and more cheap labour which simply keeps wages low.Supply and demand. If wages offered for that work went up due o shortage of supply it would attract candidates. Easier to keep bringing in cheap foreigners than pay proper wages .

    Don’t tell me that we need Philipinos to milk cows. Who milked them onlty ten years ago.Same with making beds in hotels.No shortage of unemployed locals who need a kick in the arse and can then get cracking.

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  81. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Penny.
    You are the one that argues that there is a conflict of interest. You have not identified one single fact that justifies that view.

    You have identified the fact that John Key is the Prime Minister of New Zealand and that John Key has shares in Bank Of America. Beyond that you have established absolutely nothing. You openly acknowledge that you are the only person who concludes that there is a conflict of interest. While you might find it a significant inconvenience (more to your ego and prejudices than commonsense) that the entire country is out of step with you, you have to overcome these setbacks from time to time. You can do that by providing detailed facts and a reasoned argument. Petty little schoolgirl tantrums and ad hominem attacks do not advance your cause.

    Why don’t you spend some time thinking about the questions that I asked you and demonstrate that there is in fact a conflict of interest. By that, I mean that you need to establish that the Prime Minister is conflicted when making decisions that may have a bearing on the good governance of New Zealand on the one hand and the value of his holding in the shares of Bank Of America on the other hand. You need to establish exactly what sort of decision could possibly have some bearing on the value of the shares – particularly the fiscal magnitude necessary to impact on the value of the shares in Bank Of America as a whole and the value of his own holding. If you cannot do that, forget it. You are pushing it uphill with a sharp stick and getting nowhere.

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  82. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    the police chick – first of all she should be behind a desk. cause having a female partner on the front line is like having no partner.

    now that ive got that off my chest :D

    not sure why she was in court. it should be an internal thing “i am the police”. piss off. youre only there cause of quotas.

    also, Dime cant stomach drunk cowards that go off at cab drivers who have done nothing wrong. im not talking about the aholes who take you the long way on purpose. those dudes work fucking long hours. they dont need abuse on top of it.

    save the abuse for the unemployed who cant be assed working!

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  83. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Kimbo posted at 10.12:

    Most Kiwis aren’t prepared to work the long hours and night shifts required to make a living out of taxis.

    There are a lot of other jobs, particularly in cleaning, that only immigrants are prepared to do.

    You mean that New Zealanders won’t do for starvation wages that don’t surpass the dole.

    Taxis have always been a safety pool for NZ workers, especially white collars in economic downturns. Now they are a pipeline into the country for unskilled immigrants.

    We don’t need imported taxi drivers or cleaners, for fuck’s sake. We need imported engineers and technicians and high-skilled people.

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  84. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    So Nookin – did you actually bother to check for yourself the FACT that NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    Pg 30 MPs Register of Financial Interests 2014

    http://www.parliament.govt.nz

    Yes or no?

    If not – why not?

    Or are you exhibiting a chronic case of ‘wilful blindness’ and simply can’t bear to look?

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

    PS: Have you read ‘Dirty Politics’ yet?

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  85. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ Jack5

    You mean that New Zealanders won’t do for starvation wages.

    You mean New Zealanders won’t take an opportunity to get a foot on the employment ladder, with the ambition, say, to own their own cleaning company in 5 years?

    Most small business people starting out work crippling hours and initially live on what are effectively starvation wages.

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  86. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    I have known for some time that he has shares in the Bank Of America. That of itself does not create a conflict of interest. Unfortunately, you do not understand and your dislike for the man will not let you even try to comprehend.

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  87. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Err … did you actually READ Nookin’s original post, Penny? It’s quite clear that Nookin is not questioning the fact that John Key owns Bank of America shares. Rather, what IS being questioned here is exactly WHY you consider this to be a conflict of interest – and what FACTS back up this OPINION.

    If that’s the level of your ability to understand relatively simple questions, how on earth do you expect to cope in Parliament?

    Meant in a CARING way, natch. :-)

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  88. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Nookin – if you can’t see that Prime Minister John Key’s shareholding in the Bank of America is arguably a significant conflict of interest – then it is no wonder – in my considered opinion, that NZ is rotten with corruption at the highest levels.

    Did you know that NZ STILL has not yet ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?

    Sorry to be the one to bother you all with these inconvenient truths and pesky FACTS.

    Penny Bright

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  89. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    Penny here are some FACTS about Dirty Politics.

    1. Someone (most probably) hacked the email accounts of Slater, DPF, Collins etc. THIS IS A CRIME. If it wasn’t by hacking, they were still STOLEN by some other means.

    2. That same hacker gave the stolen emails to Hager. Or Hager bought them off him. This makes Hager a receiver of stolen goods and a party to the CRIME. Hager is quite open about receiving these emails from the hacker.

    3. The media do not seem to care about this criminality. They are exploiting the stolen emails to make news, and only care about and decry the hacking of celebrities like Jennifer Lawrence etc.

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  90. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Will you see John Key’ shareholding in the Bank of America as a corrupt conflict of interest, if the Bank of America had benefited in any way from legislative changes introduced since this ex-Wall Street banker became Prime Minister in 2008?

    Penny Bright

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  91. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ publicwatchdog

    if you can’t see that Prime Minister John Key’s shareholding in the Bank of America is arguably a significant conflict of interest – then it is no wonder – in my considered opinion, that NZ is rotten with corruption at the highest levels.

    Nice rhetorical device, Penny, but that is actually a circular argument.

    NZ is rotten with extensive corruption
    Nookin can’t see it
    Therefore rotten and extensive corruption is blinding Nookin.

    Any chance of an answer to my questions?
    I’ll repeat them:

    Are all financial transactions corrupt and exploitative?

    If not, how do you tell the difference?

    I don’t have a problem you are a self-appointed publicwatchdog. Good on you. We need folks like that. But all the more reason to “check out the watchman”, don’t you agree?

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  92. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    Oh, and if we’re going to have a Govt enquiry, it should involve the email of ALL the political parties to and from bloggers. I do not believe for one second that National is the only party who communicates with bloggers. I’m betting The Standard communicates with left-wing parties. I’m wondering if there is any communication between Hager and these parties as well.

    Another thought – this is the second time (or is it more?) that Hager has written a book based on stolen material. Brash’s emails were stolen as well. Why no investigation into this guy receiving stolen property in the past? He needs to be brought up on charges. He is not a journalist: he is a glorified gossip columnist.

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  93. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Have you read ‘Dirty Politics’ yourself ‘Fletch’?

    I recommend you do – so that your opinion is INFORMED?

    Penny Bright

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  94. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Penny
    You own a property in Auckland. You stood for the mayoralty in Auckland. Isn’t that the most clear case of a conflict of interest — feathering your own nest by looking after your main asset?

    You don’t want to pay your rates. You stand as Mayor of Auckland. What possible conclusions can one draw from that other than there is a conflict of interest? Your logic. Not mine.

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  95. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    It’s funny how obsessives gather other obsessives around them.

    Graham, Nookin, Fletch ….

    Do you realise that you’re giving this sad, damaged woman exactly what she wants; loads of attention? She’s damned near insane and it shows in how she writes. She understands nothing about politics, economics, business, human motivation, reality. Nothing at all actually.

    Yet here you are trying to reason with her, argue with her, explain to her.

    That’s not why she’s here. She’s not even here to make a difference politically. She’s a total narcissist, here for attention and nothing else.

    And you’re giving her exactly what she wants.

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  96. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ publicwatchdog

    Will you see John Key’ shareholding in the Bank of America as a corrupt conflict of interest, if the Bank of America had benefited in any way from legislative changes introduced since this ex-Wall Street banker became Prime Minister in 2008?

    Uh oh! Another apparent rhetorical sleight-of-hand in the form of begging the question.

    Or more precisely, a variation on the old saw, “have you stopped beating your wife?”.

    Do you have anything other than rhetorical tricks, Penny? A genuine question, because I do want reliable publicwatchdogs, and we do have a right and responsibility to hold you too to account…

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  97. stephieboy (2,788 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter, it’s now rather fashionable these days to debunk John Maynard Keynes especially among Libertarians like yourself.
    I think Keymes questioned the wisdom of imposing such harsh reparations on Germany and how it might ( and did ) contribute to the international cycle indebtedness and hence the Great Depressiob of the 1930s .
    Certainly it did contribute to economic instability in the Weimer Reepublic and the hyper inflation of the early 1820s.And another Intersting and inconterveribke fact Nazi voter support did significantly increase with the increase of dole ques contrasted prior to the onsset of the depression.Thus there is an important economic factor that cannot be dismissed.Of course artistic and and cultural inluencesc were there as well but to only include them is highly misleading and simplistic.
    One thing is for sure the Americans post WW2 were determined not to repeat the mistakes of Versaille and felt the best approach was to was to emphasise economic reconstruction and not punitive reparations.How things could be so different if the same approach was adopted at Versaille instead of the punitive “make the Kaiser Pay . ”
    A useful understanding of the period Versaille , The Weimser Republic and the rise of the Nazis is ” The Coming of the Third Reich ” by Patric Evans., Emertrus professor of Modern History Cambridge University .

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  98. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    @tom hunter, I was halfway through writing my comment anyway, and just adjusted the beginning to address what Penny had said as it seemed pertinent. You’ll be happy to know that I normally just ignore and scroll through her posts :)

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  99. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Nookin – I think I’ve got a good grasp of what constitutes corrupt conflicts of interests, given that I’ve now attended 4 international anti-corruption conferences, met the experts, listened to the presentations, read numerous anti-corruption publications and ‘put my mind’ to the New Zealand situation

    How about yourself Nookin?

    What’s your definition of ‘corruption’?

    Penny Bright

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  100. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    …. it’s now rather fashionable these days to debunk John Maynard Keynes especially among Libertarians like yourself.

    It’s always been “fashionable” to point out forecasts and predictions that turn out to be wrong and to thus question the theories on which they’re based.

    I think Keymes questioned the wisdom of imposing such harsh reparations …

    “Harsh reparations”? You didn’t actually read the article did you?

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  101. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    I think it’s pretty corrupt to freeload on neighbours and expect them to fund your sewage service.

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  102. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    I have a ‘good citizen’s’ award, polled 4th in the 2013 Mayoralty despite having extremely limited financial resources, and working together with private prosecutor Graham McCready, helped to get John Banks held accountable for electoral fraud.

    More FACTS to help ruin your day?

    Apologise is all I can do :(

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  103. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy

    One thing is for sure the Americans post WW2 were determined not to repeat the mistakes of Versaille and felt the best approach was to was to emphasise economic reconstruction and not punitive reparations. How things could be so different if the same approach was adopted at Versaille instead of the punitive “make the Kaiser Pay . ”

    Nope. Blames the victims of German aggression in both World Wars.

    Ludendorff was already planning the “stab-in-the-back” myth from the moment he planned to punt the need to negotiate an armistice to the socialists in August 1918. Versailles was benign compared to what Ludendorff imposed on the Soviets at Brest-Litovsk.

    Versailles was also a necessary way to guarantee French security, as it would have, if the terms re Germany not being allowed to rearm had been enforced.

    Many countries dabbled with the extremes of left and right in the Depression, especially on the Continent where democracy had shallow roots. The takeover and aggression of the Nazis was not an inevitable outcome of Versailles, no matter what AJP Taylor or Keynes apologists argue, IMHO…

    It needed the complete kicking in 1945 to force German foreign relations out of the Napoleonic Era, and allow them to take their place as the fully mature great nation they are now.

    And also misunderstands American intentions in 1945. They demanded unconditional surrender, occupied, and were actually planning de-industrialisation and pastoralisation to end what they saw as endemic “Teutonic Aggression”. The Marshall Plan was an ad-hoc solution that took off, and was then also offered to West Germany from 1949 onwards…

    And Keynes, whatever valid analysis he provides places the wrong emphasis on the generation of wealth. Production, not the circulation of currency is the primary factor, although both are inter-related.

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  104. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Noted, Tom. I have a vain hope that maybe she will justify her rants. Fat chance, though.

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  105. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne is Minister of Internal Affairs

    He has also signed the BDS Boycott Israel pledge and requesting the Super Fund withdraw all investments from companies associated with Israel including many US defence contractors.

    Anyone know if this is in breach of cabinet rules? He is effectively making a call as a Govt Minister against positions of our allies

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  106. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Penny
    I deal with conflicting interests every single working day of every single week. You have not established one. Now you go from a conflict of interest to corruption. The two are not necessarily synonymous

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  107. Black with a Vengeance (1,832 comments) says:

    Honestly, I’m not surprised Russia sent in a small number of infantry units but it is hardly what I’d call an “invasion”.

    Not even a wee invasion ?

    Putin should just stay the fuck out of Ukraine and not send in anything, not humanitarian aid, not arms, not troops.

    And as for Crimea. Can they have another binding referendum to cede from Russia now that they’ve been annexed ?

    Uhh sure…that worked a treat for Chechnya.

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  108. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    tom hunter: Understood. FWIW I normally try to ignore Penny, but just occasionally the sheer level of Penny Bright’s deliberate distortions, half-truths, untruths, truth-bending, tall stories, baseless accusations, sly inferences, concocted outrage, smearing of political opponents, and vandalism, annoys me enough that I forget myself and respond.

    I wouldn’t mind so much if wasn’t for the simple fact that Penny Bright portrays herself as acting on our behalf and representing us all against our corporate overlords. Remember “Occupy Auckland” and the whole “99%” garbage? THAT particular sorry affair left an exceedingly sour taste in my mouth as I watched these people lay claim to represent you, and me, and the vast majority of New Zealanders – whether we wanted it or not.

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  109. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog at 11:09 am:

    Apologise is all I can do :(

    No it’s not – you could start answering some of the very pertinent questions, and start backing up your vague accusations of impropriety with FACTS.

    You talk a lot about FACTS – if you actually start providing some, we MAY take you a little more seriously. And it would give you some good practice for your intended foray into Parliament.

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  110. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ publicwatchdog

    I have a ‘good citizen’s’ award, polled 4th in the 2013 Mayoralty despite having extremely limited financial resources, and working together with private prosecutor Graham McCready, helped to get John Banks held accountable for electoral fraud.

    Yet another rhetorical sleight-of-hand: an appeal to one’s qualifications and expertise as a supposed source of authority. Is usually a weak form of proof, because it doesn’t actually address the merits of ones particular arguments in a specific case, but instead it is usually designed to intimidate others. Or distract. As was most certainly the intent in this case, as Penny dodges, yet again, an invitation to show that the “dots” she has “identified” (I use the term advisedly) actually do connect.

    And it is also contradictory for someone like Penny arguing against the actions of those in a position of authority, such as a Prime Minister with experience of international banking at the highest levels to appeal to her own authority…

    Anything else in the rhetorical bag of tricks, Penny, or is that all you have?

    Any chance of an answer to my questions? Here, I’ll repeat them again:

    Are all financial transactions corrupt and exploitative?

    If not, how do you tell the difference?

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  111. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    Penny ” How many Kiwibloggers think it is ok for Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America? ”

    Has your snooping found out how many Kiwis hold shares in the Bank of America through their Kiwisaver accounts ?? Would there be any difference ?

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  112. alloytoo (530 comments) says:

    @Tom Hunter

    It behooves the villagers to point out the idiot occasionally lest unsuspecting travelers take him seriously.

    @Nookin

    An excellent collection of questions which if answered would allow us to evaluate the actually possibility of corruption based on Penny’s assertions.

    Her unwillingness to engage seriously on the matter suggests she’s not really interested about corruption, but rather about the “Soundbite”.

    Likewise she apparently also condones criminal privacy breaches and the unlawful enrichment based said breaches.

    She also condones the Goff’s bullying of public officials with the intent hide (and resulting in delays) lies made to the public (That BTW Penny is real corruption.)

    Penny also evades lawful taxes and engages in and encourages damages to public property.

    I’m not so sure we need a “public” watchdog like Penny who, like any good socialist is self appointed without democratic process and doesn’t actually represent the “public” in any way shape fashion or form.

    “Watching the Watchdog”

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  113. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    One thing is for sure the Americans post WW2 were determined not to repeat the mistakes of Versaille and felt the best approach was to was to emphasise economic reconstruction and not punitive reparations.

    That statement and your previous one about “harsh reparations“, are exactly what the article was getting stuck into when it said that:

    The Economic Consequences of the Peace is a classic in the library of liberal hand-wringing. As such, its contentions are proposed not as arguments, but as taken-for-granted, inarguable truths about the world, in this case the historical realities of the post-war settlement and the succeeding political and economic situation.

    If you’d read the article you might have noticed this section:

    In fact, as the historian Andrew Roberts argues in his History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900, there are good reasons for believing that the Treaty of Versailles ought to have been a good deal harsher than it was.

    Had it divided Germany into two parts, as happened after World War II, or perhaps returned it to its 1870 status of several independent principalities, or even had the Allies merely enforced its original terms, the world would probably have been spared Hitler and the horror of Nazism. There might well have been “no via dolorosa of Rhineland-Anschluss-Sudetenland-Danzig for Europe to walk between 1936 and 1939.”

    There’s also the fact that at the end of WWII Germany had been completely smashed to pieces and occupied: there was nothing from which reparations could be extracted – unlike WWI.

    One could easily make the argument that the “harshness” of Germany’s treatment at the end of WWII vastly exceeded that of the end of WWI – the latter which saw her cities, towns and industries not smashed, she was not occupied and not divided up.

    There are plenty of reasons for the rise of Hitler and the Nazis in Germany, as Kimbo points out. In hindsight the Treaty of Versaille was a fairly small part of it – but that’s not the “common wisdom”, largely thanks to Keynes.

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  114. lilman (953 comments) says:

    Islamist Jihad is to me the fault of the liberal west.

    You dont piss around with shitheads like these fools.

    Heat them up,at any chance.

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  115. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ graham

    I wouldn’t mind so much if wasn’t for the simple fact that Penny Bright portrays herself as acting on our behalf and representing us all against our corporate overlords. Remember “Occupy Auckland” and the whole “99%” garbage?

    Don’t sweat it, graham.

    For a hardcore anarchist like Penny, and as per standard Marxist dialectic analysis

    1. Her prognosis of a nation in the grip of exploitation and corruption by business elites is a matter of fact, as per a religious faith.

    2. Anything that advances her cause justifies itself. That is the source of her morality. Your chargers of “deliberate distortions, half-truths, untruths, truth-bending, tall stories, baseless accusations, sly inferences, concocted outrage, smearing of political opponents, and vandalism” simply feed her sense of self-righteous justification, just as the persecution confirms for her that she is shaking the foundations of the edifice.

    She is a left-wing secular version of a Jehovah’s Witness, waiting for the social and political Armageddon that is forever just around the corner…

    This free public education notice was brought to you on behalf of “Know your left-wing agitator”.

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  116. lilman (953 comments) says:

    Dunne is a silly fool.

    Amazes me that he can release all and sundry to anyone who listens but because his dirty old man act,which was directed at a young female reporter,is the sickest infatuation of a deluded mind.

    Dunne- dirty old man.

    Feel sorry for his wife.

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  117. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Fark me! Contrast the minimalist response to trying to open the door in Asia on a jet to seat clamping in America.

    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=11&art_id=149067&sid=42915435&con_type=1

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  118. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    It behooves the villagers to point out the idiot occasionally lest unsuspecting travelers take him seriously.

    Having engaged with a couple of 9/11 truthers on this forum I can understand that.

    There are two key things there. First is the phrase lest unsuspecting travelers take him seriously. Does anybody really think that a woman who has been trashed by none other than members of the Occupy groups themselves is going to have anybody taking her verbiage here seriously? If they’re that “unsuspecting” they’re probably as unreachable as she is and not worth the effort.

    The second is “occasionally”. You guys write more in response to her than she does, given her cut’n’paste approach, and you rise to the bait almost all the time.

    It’s just not worth it even as an exercise in fun or trolling, let alone in intelligent use of debating time.

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  119. alloytoo (530 comments) says:

    @ Tom

    Oh! cumulatively you may have point.

    Individually we’re just “Watching the watchdog.” :-)

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  120. Zapper (1,019 comments) says:

    Fair points tom. As we’ve seen today though, the fun of seeing someone completely destroy her and have her disappear without a trace rather than try and answer questions she doesn’t know the answers to can be worth it.

    Maybe she’ll be back soon to tell us she was an attendee at some left wing conference no-one cares about as if that actually answers any of the fair questions she has ignored.

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  121. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    That fucken loser Dunne:

    What is he actually saying and doing about all the current killings between Muslims – and against Christians —– as the death toll numbers far outway the 1600 killed as a very last resort by a very moral IDF!

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  122. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    @ Zapper

    Fair points tom. As we’ve seen today though, the fun of seeing someone completely destroy her and have her disappear without a trace rather than try and answer questions she doesn’t know the answers to can be worth it.

    Yep. While there is much wisdom in tom hunter’s advise, I always remember Rob Muldoon’s take when he was having to deal with far more vociferous and ugly left wing rhetoric in the late 1960s and early 1970s. He felt it his responsibility to face and answer, and he would invariably be proved right in his prediction that they melt like snow cones, once the slogans are placed under the blow torch…

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  123. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    PublicWatchDog – “How many Kiwibloggers know that Auckland Council Treasury got an international award for being ‘best borrowers’ and is currently exposed to $5.8 BILLION in derivatives?”

    That crazy socialist Len Brown and his wastral spending, aye.

    If only we had voted for somebody with some sort of economic nouse. But no, we got a leftard instead. Now we are trying to catch up to Detroit.

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  124. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    Maybe she’ll be back soon ….

    Oh I can guarantee she’ll be back “soon” – and she’ll be saying exactly the same things, providing exactly the same dingbat “analysis” and completely ignoring your questions again. Even Muldoon would draw the line at engaging insane people, as would any other politician.

    She’s not destroying herself either. This is not about rational debate, reasoning, knowledge, understanding or anything other than drawing attention to herself. Of course she won’t answer the questions you try to embarrass her with – but not only because she has no answers but because that’s not what this is about.

    It’s about attention for herself. Nothing else.

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  125. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    I’ve been asking Penny questions for a couple of years now – I’m quite used to her refusing to answer them! :-)

    Mind you, it can’t be because she doesn’t know the answer. I asked her a long time ago whether she would commit to abide by the principles of points 4 and 5 of the “Draft Action Plan” that she has often talked about, and Occupy Auckland’s General Assembly supports, if she was to run for a local body election, such as Mayor of Auckland or MP for Botany or Remuera. The two points in question are:

    4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

    5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

    In other words, would Penny Bright happily sign up to a ‘Code of Conduct’? And if so, what would this ‘Code of Conduct’ look like?

    She has NEVER answered that, and I would have thought it was a fairly straight-forward question! And I’d say it’s even MORE relevant now that she’s running for an MP.

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  126. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Can we run a lottery on when she’ll return, claiming we’ve all “made her day”?

    I pick 4:30. :-)

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  127. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    So David Cunliffe reckons it is dirty “gotcha” politics when his opponent quizzes him about the specifics and details of Cunliffe’s own policy, in the context of a public policy debate where Cunliffe, supposedly a “very intelligent man” with a prior background in policy formulation and administration, had the aid of 5 assistants to help prepare him compared to the “fly-by-night” speculative skills of his interrogator?

    Gee, no wonder Labour education policy from Russell Marshall on have been opposed to exams as a valid and worthwhile means of testing the knowledge of a student!

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  128. Jack5 (5,051 comments) says:

    Re the policewoman and the Malaysian Indian taxi driver: has anyone looked at the possible influence in this of misogyny?

    Would this taxi driver have kicked up such a fuss if the abuser had been an off-duty policeman?

    Many Indian males are far more misogynist than typical New Zealanders and other Westerners. Indian women I have met in New Zealand tend to be intelligent, well educated, pleasant and likeable. Yet in India, they don’t get the fair go from men that they should. Perhaps the Malaysian-Indian driver didn’t like the uppity white woman.

    Also, I would like to know what brought on this outburst by the off-duty policewoman. There are usually two sides to an incident like this.

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  129. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    jack5

    This seems reasonable detailed. A row over the fare, apissed and possibly very disoriented woman. Mountain /molehill.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-lakes/314588/policewoman-found-guilty-remanded

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  130. Lance (2,634 comments) says:

    Canterbury WINZ offices closed due to threats.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11318403

    A good way to deal with that is, when the Assholes are caught, publish their faces and tell all the beneficiaries, you didn’t get your money in time because of this person.

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  131. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    “……How many Kiwibloggers know that Auckland Council Treasury got an international award for being ‘best borrowers’ and is currently exposed to $5.8 BILLION in derivatives?…..”

    Stop misleading people Penny.

    Every form of insurance is a derivitive in one form or another – premiums they call them.

    Derivitives as the AC Treasury would be using them, would be as an insurance from the markets going against their investment/borrowing positions. I suspect most would be around currency related debt and investments.

    It is usual practice.

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  132. Sofia (855 comments) says:

    Penny, on the same psychcentral.com site you quote from in your unsupported question, August 20, “Is New Zealand’s former Minister of Police, and current Minister of Justice Judith Collins a ‘psychopath’?”
    there is –

    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder 
In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following  symptoms:

    • Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    > I’m speaking to a lot of my future constituents in Helensville who were amongst the 11,723 who voted for me in the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign.
    > Here you go Kiwibloggers – just been published on the NBR:
    > In my considered opinion, and clear understanding
    > Why is no one else focusing on this pivotal issue?
    > having so obviously jammed your personal attack buttons on FULL – I must be doing something right :-)

    • Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    > Here you go Kiwibloggers – am I the only one asking this HARD question? Is New Zealand’s former Minister of Police, and current Minister of Justice Judith Collins a ‘psychopath’?

    • Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    > I don’t use the services of the Office of the Ombudsman. Like the Office of the Auditor- General, I have found both to be spectacularly useless.
    > Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?
    Perhaps if you had been to FOUR international anti-corruption conferences, listened to and met the experts, studied the material and put your mind to the corruption REALITY in NZ – you’d have a clue.
    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2014 G20 Anti-Corruption Conference

    • Requires excessive admiration
    > You have a LOVELY evening – you’ve certainly helped make mine :-)
    Says: FYI Kiwibloggers – followed by the most boring questions about ACC debt and derivatives and no answers …

    • Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    > After successfully defending my right to speak at the Helensville candidates’ meeting …

    • Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    > were you one of the few who correctly predicted that John Banks would be found guilty of electoral fraud and forced to resign from Parliament? Thought not.
    Hasn’t paid rates since 2008 – that has surely descended from making a point to just free-loading [and NOT consistently exposing ACC inability to collect rates]
    > So if John Banks isn’t taking offence – it somewhat undermines your sanctimonious whining – don’t you think?
    Uses kiwiblog forum to praise DIRTY POLITICS which maligns kiwiblog host, DPF

    • Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    > Ah the Kiwibloggers anonymous gutless toothless goldfish are in a gumming frenzy
    > Meant of course in a caring, interested way
    > Real men would put their names to their posts – you gutless cowards

    • Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
    > Thanks for asking :-)

    • Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
    > Oh diddums Nookin – you accuse me of making ad hominem remarks?
    > Harden up and ‘handle the jandal’ – you sad person.
    > Or you can dish it – but you can’t take it?
    > So what do you think bleating, sheepish Kiwibloggers
    > Carry on – it’s very entertaining – in a light-weight comedic sort of way

    • Demands kiwiblogger attention and then is usually rude, guaranteeing a negative response, so the cuckoo “shit in someone else’s nest” can be repeated ad nauseam.
    > see most of above

    Really, to keep doing the same thing time and time again and expect a different result, is said to be one definition of insanity.
    To greet “kiwibloggers” with some new highlight of your political life, them insult them next line: “gum on this, goldfish”, is self-sabotage, again indicating insanity, but also being just a fucking waste of time.
    I doubt, Penny, that you have ever changed a single thought that readers here have.
    Only re-inforced them.

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  133. Nostradamus (3,244 comments) says:

    Graham:

    I admire your resilience, but given Penny Bright’s refusal to answer these questions (first asked on 4 August 2014), I really think you’re wasting your time.

    You may also wish to consider what Penny’s offsider, anticorruptionnz, had to say the other night:

    I happen to know where Penny gets her income from it is currently from one flat mate, she is not financially influenced by any one and if many more coped as well as she does on living on the smell of an oily rag and was as resourseful as she is this would be a very different country. you would not survive a week living on her budget.

    Roll on 20 September – then Penny can get back under her rock for another three years!

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  134. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism, diversity the demand for ‘inclusiveness”. Don’t like the way the country you’re in is run? Go back to tolerant ,inclusive fucken Musselland.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/call-for-state-schools-to-accommodate-islamic-beliefs-1.1915810

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  135. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    This is hilarious. In last night’s debate John Key had a wee dig at “left wing blogs”. Lprent reacted:

    Lynn Prentice ‏@lprent

    @thestandard – so far I have heard @johnkeypm impune our site a number of times. Sleazy dirty arsehole – just like @Whaleoil

    I nudged him “You wouldn’t impune another site at all, would you Lynn?”

    Nope. I impune people. Particularly those obsessing on ours. Looks at your tags

    Look we’re bigger than National to NZs obsessed blogger
    https://twitter.com/lprent/status/506726740182306816/photo/1

    He frequently ‘impunes’ blogs, particularly Kiwiblog because he also has an obsession about DPF’s success here.
    There’s a simple answer – DPF doesn’t ban people for expressing political opinions so I’m free to dig at National here, unlike his poor Standard where he bans people who hasn’t got the guts to debate with.

    And who is obsessed? He has just posted at The Standard – Dirty politics in Dunedin - bravely knowing he bans me from responding, there with a post he claims has nothing to do with me – but mentions me first and last in the post.

    lprent keeps an eye on when he gets mentioned here – that looks like a concocted post where he’s not even honest about continuing his obsession.

    And funnier, he claims I’m a conservative with “a strong right lean”.

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  136. Nostradamus (3,244 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    It’s probably best to leave the world’s greatest sys-op (because he tells us so) to wallow in his own self-delusions. I’ve seen him defend defamatory attacks on DPF (which I’ve previously linked to so as to highlight the hypocrisy) – it’s clear that LPrent applies different standards to those on the left.

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  137. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    What’s your view Pete George, on the FACT that Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    Do YOU think that is acceptable – particularly given the myth and legend that NZ is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  138. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Pity more of you whining Kiwibloggers didn’t pay more attention to ‘watching’ the statutory third party ‘Public Watchdogs’, whom, unlike myself, get paid public monies to look after the public and the public interest?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  139. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers – seems that Colin James shares some of my concerns?

    http://www.colinjames.co.nz/the-health-pillar-of-good-government/

    The health pillar of good government

    Otago Daily Times | September 2, 2014

    Whatever the result on September 20, John Key will start the next term with diminished personal authority.
    Our democracy’s health is also diminished.

    Key’s inch-by-inch retreat to the point where his imagined leftwing conspiracy turned into a rightwing one and he had to sack — sorry, accept the resignation of — Judith Collins has reflected a trading-floor culture, not the disciplined executive management required of a modern prime minister.

    Add to that his crass judgment — confirmed (to my astonishment at the time) at a press conference in February — in choosing to chat with the scurrilous blogger whose emails have stirred the furore.

    The damage, as argued here last week, is deeper than to Key’s image or authority as Prime Minister. It is to our generally well-functioning democracy, which is what elections underpin. Some journalists’ misjudgements are also part of that democratic damage.

    Our democracy is still in far better shape than that of the United States, a country Key fawns over. And Key is generally a man of goodwill and decency. If he gets a third term, he could, with guidance from his Deputy Prime Minister, retrieve his democratic authority.

    But the refocusing of the election campaign on to proper ministerial process — the foundation of good government, usually taken for granted — has crowded out attention to the pillars of good government.

    ..l….
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  140. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Pete,
    Lp rent is ignorant too. The word is “impugn” . Impune means something else.

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  141. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Whatever Sofia …… (yawn)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  142. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    What’s your view Pete George, on the FACT that Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America?

    Investments Penny. It’s something grown-ups do.

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  143. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Thank you SO much for confirming EXACTLY what myself, Sofia, Nostradamus, Harriet, tom hunter, alloytoo, Kimbo, and quite a few others have been saying, Penny!

    You’ve MADE my day! :)

    ———————————————————————————————-

    Watching the Watchdog

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  144. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Sofia (831 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    I read and contribute here regularly. I can honestly say that Penny’s contributions frequently provide links and information that I read and learn more from – often changing my opinion. Sometimes in favour of what Penny says, sometimes against it. You should never be afraid of information, or the opinion of your opposite – if nothing else, it could strengthen your own argument. Besides if you don’t know the alternative view, can you really claim your stance comes from an informed position.

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  145. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    Nice to see Judith Collins still ‘says it like it is’….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10451707/Judith-Collins-Cunliffe-is-a-moron

    Good on her…

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  146. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Here’s my presentation to the Governing Body of Auckland Council on Thursday 28 August 2014, at the Auckland Town Hall:

    http://www.allaboutauckland.com/video/2881/penny-bright-rails-against-derivative-trading-by-council

    (You need to register and sign in on this website, but this item is free.)

    See unlike most whining Kiwibloggers, some of us actually do more that ‘howl at the moom’ – we actually get off our butts and put stuff into process ‘sausage machines’ – which help to get an outcome.

    Can’t wait to start asking some of these HARD questions under Parliamentary privilege, as the fiercely Independent MP for Helensville!

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  147. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,334 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    What a sweet article – it reminds me so much of the people I used to deal with, they always blamed the people that caught them for their wrong-doing too!

    She seems to have forgotten that the email that bought her down, was not gained by hacking. Nor was the information that I personally have that demonstrates she colluded with Slater to release information she would not make accessible to other people. That information was gained by legal process.

    So whilst the hacker was wrong, and acted illegally and will be caught and punished for that, it does not excuse Collins for her inappropriate behaviour.

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  148. Milburn35 (29 comments) says:

    The MSM won’t let Dirty Politics go together with leaked Emails about Judith Collins. Why then do some of the contributors to these daily debates continue to give Penny Bright the time of day and keep on replying to her garbage comments. Just ignore her and don’t vote. This only gives her a grandiose opinion of herself.

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  149. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Is THIS ok Kiwibloggers?

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/50DBSCH_SCR6208_1/2064c8e8f81a4c81dde4ec2a87469884ce2f8642

    Petition 2011/101 of Penelope
    Mary Bright and 13 others

    Report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee

    The Finance and Expenditure Committee has considered Petition 2011/101 of Penelope
    Mary Bright and 13 others, requesting

    That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into why New Zealand Auditor-General Lyn Provost did not disclose that she was a shareholder in Sky City Entertainment Group Ltd at the time she declined to conduct an urgent investigation into the failure
    of the Organised and Financial Crime Agency of New Zealand to carry out “due diligence” on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the New Zealand International Convention Centre (Bill) 2013.

    We have no matters to bring to the attention of the House.

    Paul Goldsmith
    Chairperson

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    How bad is THAT – considering that the Office of the Auditor-General is the platinum sponsor of Transparency International NZ?

    http://www.transparency.org.nz/Partners-and-Sponsors

    Partners and Sponsors

    Cornerstone Platinum

    The Office of the Auditor General

    NIS Gold

    School of Government, VUW
    Ministry for Justice
    Statistics New Zealand
    The Human Rights Commission
    Ministry of Social Development
    The Treasury
    Inland Revenue
    Department of Internal Affairs
    Corrections
    Department of Conservation
    Ministry of Transport
    Civil Aviation Authority
    New Zealand Transport Authority
    Maritime New Zealand
    Te Puni Kokiri
    The Ombudsman
    Ministry of Pacific Island Affairs
    The New Zealand Defence Force

    NIS Silver

    Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet
    The Serious Fraud Office
    Crown Law

    NIS Bronze

    NZ Public Service Association
    Sponsors
    The Gama Foundation
    In Kind Donations
    Bell Gully
    VUW School of Government
    PwC
    Deloitte
    KPMG
    Human Rights Commission Launch Day
    School of Government Institute for Governance and Policy Studies Wellington
    Wellington Girls College
    Thorndon New World
    NZTE
    Institute of Directors
    BDO Spicers
    Russell McVeagh
    Chapman Tripp
    Gibson Sheat
    Susan Gluck-Hornsby
    Chen Palmer
    Juliet McKee
    Claudia Orange
    Te Papa

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  150. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    ‘Judith’ (Ginny): You dislike for Judith Collins is well known…. after all, you bleat about her at every opportunity.

    And I mean…. every opportunity….

    I happen to like her and I look forward to her return to the front bench. And I suspect that may be sooner rather than later. :D

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  151. alex Masterley (1,510 comments) says:

    Yawn.

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  152. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,336 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    So let me get this right – you are allowed to rave on about the people you don’t like, but I’m not allowed to, because I happen, for good reason, to dislike someone that you like?

    Gosh!! You must be a terribly important person !!

    PS She will not return – there is more to come – much more, and none of it from illegal sources. ;-)

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  153. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    I think Judith Collins may be far too compromised to have a political future. A couple of days ago she suggested Facebook communications were a forgery:

    @JudithCollinsMP

    I have no record of any FB conversations with Whaleoil. Cam Slater has advised that he had no FB conversations with me. Forgeries?

    And Slater:

    @Whaleoil

    Latest smear is false, I have never had FB conversations with @judithcollinsmp. Hackers break the law, media ignoring crime

    However @Whaledump

    .@JudithCollinsMP and @WhaleOil think there’s no evidence because they deleted the account that JC was using.

    The content of the messages identify them as @JudithCollinsMP’s, clear as day.
    http://pastebin.com/URchZJyJ

    This includes:

    ————————-
    July 31, 2011
    ————————-
    Facebook User, 7/31, 2:44am

    Yes, saw it! She will too as will the others. AB was helping young Nats distribute my Collins Courier newspaper yesterday. I was surprised.
    ————————-
    Cameron Slater, 7/31, 2:45am

    as am i

    maybe he is looking for some young blood

    Have Slater and Collins been caught lying about Facebook? It’s not as if Collins isn’t in enough trouble already.

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  154. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    If you don’t like the FACTS about corruption that I help expose – you’ll HATE this one!
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    She is the darling of the bureaucrats in Wellington, graciously suckling on the public tit and swift to collect a bauble for each compliment or wink of secrecy dispensed, and he is the recent mayoral candidate for Christchurch best known as a director of defunct companies and broken promises, recently living out of a vacant quake-damaged house he neither owns nor rents according to property records. They appear the perfect couple.

    Suzanne Snively and Victor Cattermole (both pictured) – or Thomas Victor Henry Ronald Cattermole by some accounts – have joined up this year to form Vault Compliance Systems Limited, a New Zealand Limited company whose 100% shareholder is a recently formed Cayman Island shell company.

    According to Mr Cattermole, VCS Ltd, formed in February with Ms Snively as Chairman of the Board, is already a global company with tens of millions in sales to multi-nationals in Australasia alone, with some companies paying $350,000 for their services. The phone number listed on the Vault website is to a company in Hong Kong identified as OFFSHORE INCORPORATIONS, 12th Floor, Ruttonjee House, 11 Duddell Street, Central, Hong Kong.
    At least one investor who paid $280,000 to Offshore Incorporations through her solicitor for Vault shares last year has received nothing. When asked about this investment, Mr Cattermole told kiwisfirst the investor in question forfeited the money because she failed to come up with an additional $220,000 as required by terms of the share offering.

    Cattermole has run afoul with the Securities Commission at least twice in the past, resulting in his investment schemes being banned from promotion within New Zealand.

    Cattermole’s girlfriend Olga Mora is listed as “Director of American Markets” on the Vault website. Reached by phone, Ms Mora quickly admitted the company had no North or South American operations but developed brain freeze on the question of what was being done in those markets. She suggested Victor would be better to answer such questions. Within minutes Cattermole phoned back. He was curious to know how the reporter obtained Ms Mora’s phone number.

    Ms Snively, whose other schemes recently included running a fraudulent company “Transparency International New Zealand Limited” which offered consulting services to apply New Zealand’s “low corruption” techniques to “improve business profitability through lower cost of doing business in overseas countries, better access, lower cost of capital and for those listed companies, a higher yeilding (sic) share price.” is also chairperson of the New Zealand charitable chapter of the Berlin based non-profit Transparency International.

    The Berlin parent forced Ms Snively to stop trading on their name last December but refused to disclose their approach into her evident conflict of interest and profiteering, then claimed any disciplinary action lay with its local chapter. In a never released report, the New Zealand chapter found the charges against Ms Snively to be “false”, with a director expressing fear, if Ms Snively was booted out, the local chapter would lose government funding which last year provided nearly 90% of the chapter’s budget.

    As Executive of Transparency International’s New Zealand chapter, Ms Snively implemented an on-line membership contract which requires potential members agree they will not seek to expose individual cases of corruption in New Zealand. In a ‘National Integrity Systems’ survey funded and partnered by the Office of the Auditor General last year, Transparency Intl New Zealand found the Office of the Auditor General was the most trusted and corruption free agency in New Zealand.

    Transparency International’s “Corruption Perception Index” rated New Zealand top in perceived transparency and low corruption last year, an index which is publicised worldwide and brings in untold financial funding to the non-profit’s coffers. The World Justice Project in Washington DC and Forbes Magazine are two organisations which put a large emphasis on TI’s CPI in their own world rankings of least corrupt countries.

    Ms Snively refused to answer any questions of her nascent New Zealand-to-Cayman Island-to-Hong Kong overnight success story. Mr Cattermole told kiwisfirst, “Everyone knows New Zealand is the top tax haven” for companies, thereby poo-pooing any suggestion the Cayman Island shell company shareholder and Hong Kong clearinghouse had anything to do with tax or regulatory avoidance.

    He claims VCS is currently doing business in 23 countries. He confirmed he lived in the vacant house at 178 Linwood, Christchurch, and said the registered owner is actually his ‘trustee’ who he is seeking to sue for $3 million in defamation as soon as his solicitors can find her to serve the claim. The 51 year old has more recently listed his mother’s house as his residence.

    International Players
    By Vince Siemer / August 19, 2014

    Related: Transparency.net.nz – Vault Compliance Systems- where is its registered office ? , New Zealand Justice Forum

    http://www.kiwisfirst.com/international-players/
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  155. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    So you support Judith Collins and her corrupt practices do you Elaycee and look forward to her return to the front bench?

    I guess there must be a few of you up on Planet Key.

    But, at a wild guess, not any DECENT people?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  156. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Pete
    It’s not hard to set up accounts with similar names.

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  157. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Sofia
    Nice post but look at Penny now. She’s in full frothing flight. I think you touched a nerve.

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  158. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan poll:

    National 45% (down 3%)
    Greens 16% (up 4.5%)
    Labour 26% (down 1.5%)
    Maori Party 0.5% (down 0.5%)
    Act NZ (1%, up 0.5%)
    United Future 0% (down 0.5%)
    NZ First 6% (down 0.5%)
    Internet-Mana Party 1% (down 1.5%)
    Conservative Party of NZ 3.5% (up 2.5%)
    Independent/ Others is 1% (unchanged)

    http://www.electionresults.co.nz/roy-morgan-poll-september-3

    3% isn’t a huge move but 45% is into real worry territory for National, especially if it’s a downwards trend.

    Labour appear to be either also tainted by Dirty Politics or just seen as crap. Greens are finally benefiting.

    Internet-Mana seem to have lost traction while Conservatives are on the rise.

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  159. MT_Tinman (3,130 comments) says:

    Yesterday a woman was convicted of shouting at and pointing at a taxi driver, it has been discussed on here. Today an idiot has been arrested in the Waikato for using insulting language in public.

    When do we see the first arrest (and trial) for thinking the wrong thing?

    It can’t be far away.

    Disclaimer; I am a taxi driver.

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  160. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    Hi Penny,

    Yes, I look forward to Judith Collins resuming her seat on the front bench. And as I said, if the tom toms are right, it could be sooner, rather than later. Great, eh? :D

    PS: Has the rumour reached you yet that there is soon to be an email dump of epic proportions containing LOTS of embarrassing communications involving folk from the political left? Given your fascination with ‘transparency’ will you be gumming at the bit to take your crusade to the (named) lefties? Even if it includes some of your mates from IMP?

    No? Thought not. But I’m confident someone will….. :P

    Elaycee.
    Auckland Ratepayer.

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  161. UrbanNeocolonialist (286 comments) says:

    So Greens have gained 2.5% from Labour and Mana.
    Nats have lost 3% to Cons and Act.
    Left/Right split same. Voters have made up their mind which side of fence they are on. If Cons failing to reach 5% in next poll or two will probably see them mostly shift back to voting for Nats or Act. Though if they don’t it will only hurt right very slightly as Nat+Act are close to 50% anyway.

    The Cancer that is Winston Peters appears close to holding balance of power again.

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  162. Nukuleka (307 comments) says:

    It’s great to see Penny working so hard at drumming up support in the electorate she hopes to represent come September 20th.

    Out and about door-knocking and meeting the good folk of Helensville are you Penny? Or do you think you’re improving your chances of electoral success by hanging around here at KB and seeing how many downticks you can amass with your endless posts?

    We’re all waiting with baited breath to see just how many of Helensville’s electors give you upticks on the 20th. Should be interesting.

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  163. mandk (968 comments) says:

    “The Cancer that is Winston Peters appears close to holding balance of power again”

    Yep, and it’s all because of National’s stupidity in not nurturing a relationship with the Conservatives.

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  164. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    I havent bothered to check out the nude pics of jennifer lawrence until now cause she bugs me..

    anyway, LOL, can see why she thinks it may effect her career.

    not exactly subtle pics! not sure you could get more graphic. opps!

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  165. stephieboy (2,788 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter

    “As usual his economic predictions were crap as well:”

    Examples.?

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  166. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    PG
    Interesting point on W/O. A few weeks before Hager’s book came out, Roy Morgan had National at 46%. Now a few weeks after they are at 45%, so Hager’s book has had very little effect.
    I think the Green figure is an “anomaly”.

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  167. doggone7 (776 comments) says:

    Could find the banner headlines her or on WhaleOil over Fran O’Sullivan’s column from today.

    Oh I get it, she said, “…But John Key would be negligent if he confines the inquiry to one of mere ministerial responsibility.

    A cache of emails appears to reveal that three people – Carrick Graham, who was former Hanover Finance director Mark Hotchin’s PR man, tax lawyer and blogger Cathy Odgers (aka Cactus Kate) and blogger Cameron (Whale Oil) Slater – were running campaigns apparently on behalf of Hotchin to try to discredit the SFO and the Financial Markets Authority as they investigated the failed finance company.

    For Key to focus the inquiry’s sights on the narrow matter of a possible ministerial transgression when the picture is much bigger would be a travesty.”

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  168. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    If we could just get ACT! to 1.5… it will help..

    With dung polling at 0.0%, does that create an overlap? so an extra MP?

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  169. Slipster (150 comments) says:

    Penny, you lie again. When you say at 9:22am
    “It would not be lawful for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America if he was the Prime Minister of Australia.

    FACT.” — It’s not a FACT as you scream, it’s a lie. I’ve already posted a quote from Wiki (with references) showing this isn’t true.
    And yet – you continue screaming FACT when posting a barefaced lie.
    Your M.O., isn’t it?

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  170. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    Slipster

    Penny still hasn’t responded to my question about how many Kiwis could have shares in the Bank of America through their Kiwisaver account and would this be any different.

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  171. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Looks like NZ Herald’s Fran O’Sullivan is on to it Kiwibloggers?

    “Was there a conspiracy to defeat the course of justice after the collapse of the Hanover Group of companies?”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11318024

    Fran O’Sullivan: Key must widen probe

    5:00 AM Wednesday Sep 3, 2014

    Best of Business Analysis Business… Fran O’Sullivan on business

    Allegations of campaign against agencies and potential witnesses need investigation.

    Former Serious Fraud Office boss Adam Feeley was allegedly targeted in a smear campaign. Photo / Brett Phibbs

    Was there a conspiracy to defeat the course of justice after the collapse of the Hanover Group of companies?

    That’s the question the Government must address after the disquieting claims in relation to the attempts by the trio allegedly working for Hanover Finance to discredit the SFO and FMA and prime potential witnesses in any resulting court cases.

    Prime Minister John Key sacked Judith Collins from the Cabinet after allegations surfaced that she was in cahoots with blogger Cameron Slater in a smear campaign against former Serious Fraud Office boss Adam Feeley.

    If true it would be a serious matter for a Police Minister to undermine the SFO head. Collins and Slater deny the allegations.

    But John Key would be negligent if he confines the inquiry to one of mere ministerial responsibility.

    ….

    _________________________________________________________________________________

    Well you’ll no doubt be delighted to know ‘Public Watchdog watchers’, that I made the followingformal complaint to NZ Police:

    1 September 2014

    OPEN LETTER

    Auckland District Commander
    SuperIntendent Michael Clements

    Dear Mike,

    I wish to file a formal complaint with NZ Police against former Minister of Justice Judith Collins under s.116 of the Crimes Act 1961:

    s.116 Conspiring to defeat justice

    Everyone is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who conspires to obstruct, prevents, pervert, or defeat the course of justice in New Zealand or the course of justice in an overseas jurisdiction.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    The evidence upon which I am relying to support this complaint is the same evidence upon which Prime Minister John Key was purportedly relying to remove Judith Collins of her Ministerial responsibilities.

    The details are contained in the following article, which are also evidence of the significant public interest in this matter:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316677

    My complaint also extends to s.105 of the Crimes Act 1961

    s. 105 A Corrupt use of official information

    Every official is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, whether within New Zealand or elsewhere, corruptly uses or discloses any information, acquired by him or her in his or her official capacity, to obtain, directly or indirectly an advantage or a pecuniary gain for himself or herself or any other person.

    s.105 B Use or disclosure of personal information disclosed in breach of 105 A.

    1) Every person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, –

    a) having received personal information (being information that comes into that person’s possession as a result of the commission of an offence against s.105A ;) and

    b) knowing that the information has been disclosed in contravention of that section, – uses or discloses that information to obtain, directly or indirectly, an advantage or pecuniary gain for that person or any other person.

    2) It is a defence to a charge under this section if the person charged proves that the person was legally authorised to use or disclose the information.

    3) In this section, the term personal information means any information about an identifiable natural person, including a deceased natural person.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Yours sincerely

    Penny Bright

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Watching carefully ‘Public Watchdog watchers’?

    This was the formal acknowledgment of that complaint sent to me on 1 September 2014, from Auckland District Commander Michael Clement:

    “Thank you Penny. We will be in touch in the next few days.

    Regards

    Mike”

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    So – this may diminish the former Minister of Corruption (oops! Justice) Judith Collins chances of getting back on the front bench any time soon Elaycee?

    I for one do hope so.

    There you go ‘Public Watchdog watchers’ – have you read all that carefully and possibly learned something?

    Probably not.

    Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  172. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Ross12 – yes, there’s a chance that a Green result like that is an outlier but they have been varying quite a bit,

    Their last few results with Roy Morggan: 9, 12, 12, 15, 12, 11.5, 16

    The last two weeks of a campaign is when polls can move quite a bit but there seems more volatility this time, for good reason.

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  173. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Ok Kiwiblogger SLOW LEARNERS – you start it and I’ll finish it:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/Conduct#_Toc325623491

    On 6 December 2007 the then Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, released Standards of Ministerial Ethics which replaced chapter 5 of the Howard Code. The new Standards included:

    the requirement that lobbyists register their details on a register of lobbyists before seeking access to ministers or their offices

    rules on the post-separation employment of ministers

    a ban on electoral fundraising at the Prime Minister’s official residences and

    requirements that ministers divest themselves of all shareholdings or place their shares in broad superannuation or trust funds.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    I repeat – if John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia he would not be allowed to own shares in the Bank of America, as he does now.

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20141/2e04287ad20ee5da12a308149e59bb16d7f47ce5

    Pg 30

    Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

    2 Other companies and business entities

    Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado
    Bank of America – banking
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

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  174. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    “mandk (892 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 3:59 pm
    “The Cancer that is Winston Peters appears close to holding balance of power again”

    Yep, and it’s all because of National’s stupidity in not nurturing a relationship with the Conservatives.’

    mandk

    That’s the only thing you’ve said today that I can agree with. Grounds for a coalition agreement?

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  175. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Crikey!

    Read THIS Kiwibloggers?

    http://laudafinem.com/2014/09/03/slater-fed-enough-dough-by-cashed-up-supporters-to-apply-for-court-injunction-to-save-his-reptilian-skin/#comment-57877

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  176. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    “Ok Kiwiblogger SLOW LEARNERS “.

    No Penny you are the one who is a SLOW LEARNER —John Key is NOT THE PM OF AUSTRALIA.

    He is not even an MP of Australia. What is hard to understand about that???

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  177. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    Oh noes K-bloggsters, Roy Morgan, NZ’s most historically accurate poll says National need Winnie’s support to govern. Maybe Key was unwise to slag off Winston last night. Then again, Key was acting like he was pissed.

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  178. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    so according to what Ms Dim posted Key would be allowed to own said BOA shares if they were placed in a Trust.

    What is it with Lefties and using trusts to hide stuff?

    hmmmm….

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  179. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    PG @ 2.38

    The W/o guys have had a look at the FB stuff and they present a fairly convincing case that Collins is right.

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  180. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Rpss12 – yes, seen that briefly. Seems odd. Why would most of the data dumps not be disputed but that part of it is? It seems odd that anyone would bother to make stuff like that up, especially as it’s not majorly damning, it’s mostly the denial that it’s true that makes it more of an issue.

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  181. adze (2,105 comments) says:

    Penny, with the amount of stuff you post here, you should refer to us as “FELLOW Kiwibloggers”. Or just drop the label entirely, along with the excessive cutting and pasting.

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  182. mandk (968 comments) says:

    “That’s the only thing you’ve said today that I can agree with”

    Oh well, can’t win ‘em all :-)

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  183. MT_Tinman (3,130 comments) says:

    Distilled essence of NZ (36 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 5:06 pm
    Then again, Key was acting like he was pissed.

    I certainly hope Key was pissed.

    I’m damned sure I would have to be before I lowered myself far enough to associate with silent “T” and his like and Key is far brighter than I.

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  184. Nostradamus (3,244 comments) says:

    Penny Not-So-Bright quotes from a link:

    On 6 December 2007 the then Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, released Standards of Ministerial Ethics which replaced chapter 5 of the Howard Code.

    Right – so 6 December 2007. Oh hold on! The link goes on to state:

    The current Standards of Ministerial Ethics is dated September 2010 and, to date, Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has not had any ministerial resignations.

    I see – so the latest Australian Government Standards of Ministerial Ethics is actually dated September 2010. Paragraphs 2.9 to 2.11 of that document state:

    In recognition of the collective responsibility that Ministers bear in relation to Cabinet decisions, these Standards require that Ministers divest themselves of investments and other interests in any public or private company or business, other than public superannuation funds or publicly listed managed funds or trust arrangements where:
    • the investments are broadly diversified and the Minister has no influence over investment decisions of the fund or trust
    ; and
    • the fund or trust does not invest to any significant extent in a business sector that could give rise to a conflict of interest with the Minister’s public duty.

    If a Minister becomes aware that a fund or trust has invested in a company that might give rise to a perception of a conflict of interest, the Minister should inform the Prime Minister immediately and liquidate the investment in the fund or trust if required to do so.

    If a Minister is required by these Standards to dispose of an interest of any kind, the transfer of the interest to a family member or to a nominee or private trust is not an acceptable form of divestment.

    So, just to clarify the actual position, a private trust arrangement (where the Minister is a beneficiary and not a trustee) is an acceptable arrangement. On that basis, assuming (as seems likely) that John Key doesn’t act as trustee in respect of his own financial affairs, his current shareholding in Bank of America would be acceptable.

    This information was provided in the public interest by a current ratepayer.

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  185. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    Distilled essence of NZ

    I hope you enjoyed the hour of enjoyment with the RM poll result. I see the TV3 poll brings the Greens back to 12.5% , a little above where they have been for months.

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  186. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    …it’s mostly the denial that it’s true that makes it more of an issue.

    Yes of course Pete.

    Once a towering fortress of pure reason like your good self determines from pure logic equivalent to The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Mark II machine, something or other, then draws a fair and sensible conclusion such as every single male in NZ is guilty of secretly harbouring a desire to become a rapist, even if we don’t admit it to anyone, even ourselves; no denials no matter how vehement are effective against your “conclusion,” are they.

    I’m not sure quite what’s wrong with you Pete, but from the conclusions you come to I’m pretty sure it’s quite serious. If I were you, I’d have a good look at myself in the mirror before you go to bed tonight, because I fear you may find something a bit like one of those dead babies growing out the side of your head, only it’s not dead.

    I know that doesn’t sound very fair, sensible or reasonable but in light of some of your conclusions Pete, it’s the best working hypothesis I can come up with.

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  187. Steve (North Shore) (4,546 comments) says:

    Can someone please take that crazy woman away?
    Please?

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  188. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    Steve what’s in that Dorkland water?

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  189. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    WO disputing the FB data is interesting.
    I think they are pushing it hard because its the thin end of the credibility wedge, get people to believe the FB stuff is shit (I do) then what else is faked? massaged? “post formatted” ?

    We know Hagar has been fed a bunch of filtered emails, how many of them had a few words here or there tweaked to just hammer home the message that the hackers employer wanted?

    I of course cant post on WO having been banned ;-)

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  190. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    There would be a lot simpler and quicker and more damning ways of faking data than what’s been produced.

    And most of it hasn’t been disputed.

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  191. stigie (1,101 comments) says:

    “Why am I apparently the only person who thinks it’s a MAJOR conflict of interest for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America?”

    So what…So fucking what Penny ?
    What about answering some of those important questions that the commenters above would like to know ?

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  192. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    So I’m watching seven sharp at the moment. They have some sob story about a chick who has fucked up her booking on web jet. To be fair I don’t give a shit about her problem.

    The TV One (aka Labour party TV) reporter who is onto this case set up an office in this females home. Now, this is the bit that gets me. The fucking place is a tip, the females brats have written all over the walls which suggests to me that she does not own the property. If it is a state house then I hope that the people from WINZ were watching the clip and send her a bill for repairs.

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  193. goldnkiwi (1,276 comments) says:

    John Key should offer the Greens a place around the table like he did with the Maori Party, especially if he does not need the numbers

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  194. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    goldnkiwi

    One of the main reasons people are likely to vote National is to make sure that the Greens don’t get anywhere near the table.

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  195. goldnkiwi (1,276 comments) says:

    Perhaps, but I would rather they were included under John Keys hand than controlling David Cunliffes, since they have not been around the table they have never been required to have a reality check.

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  196. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    I think lot of people don’t mind having the Greens at the table, they would welcome them, providing they don’t have too much say.

    National 50 + Green 15 would make a much better balance than Labour 25, IMP 5, Green 15 and NZF 7.

    It would be good experience for them being a part of a Government, and as goldnkiwi says it will be a reality check for them.

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  197. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Goldnk
    I would rather Key went into coalition with Labour than the Greens. Sure Labour are corrupt Union stooges but the Greens are just batshit insane.

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  198. Sublime (276 comments) says:

    Private investigator’s illegal access of Work and Income database

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11318513

    Time must be ticking for the Slater hacker. Not the same situation as above; but both involve illegal access.

    I think there’s some bit in the law about receiving a copy of stolen property that removes the immediate criminal element and/or journalistic protection with such information being published as ‘honest opinion’. But the same can’t be said for whoever it was who went in and illegally took Slater’s private communications.

    Also, the Whaleoil post below (by Pete, a techie/mod guy on there) makes for an interesting read;
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/09/forensic-work-whaledumps-facebook-messages/

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  199. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    There’s no doubt that three years getting their heads around Reality 101 would probably help them & the country in the long term.

    In the short term it would be too tough for National to sell to to the electorate.

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  200. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    “I think lot of people don’t mind having the Greens at the table,”

    Only the insane would want the greens at the table. The crackpot communist freak-show are a total disgrace to the human race.

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  201. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Something strange is up.

    Tonight’s 3 News poll didn’t seem to have any result for the Conservatives?

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  202. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Penny
    Ever heard of crowd sourcing? So Slater has friends. Big deal. Maybe you don’t- which would hardly surprise me you’re such a nutter.
    God, can you imagine the conversation round your dinner table. I think I’d kill myself.
    Too much spam Penny. Its tiresome and boring.

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  203. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    3 News/Reid Research tonight:

    National: 46.4 percent (up 1.4 percent compared to August 19-25 poll)
    Labour: 25.9 percent (down 0.5 percent)
    NZ First: 5.8 percent (down 0.5 percent)
    Greens: 12.6 percent (down 0.9 percent)
    Conservative 4.2% down 0.4
    ACT: 0.6 percent (up 0.3 percent)
    United Future: 0.1 percent (down 0.3 percent)
    Maori Party: 2 percent (up 1.3 percent)
    Internet Mana: 1.7 percent (down 0.4 percent)

    http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/key-could-need-maori-party-post-election-2014090318

    Except yeah, no Conservative, but I think they were somewhere around 4?

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  204. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Southern Raider

    Conservatives 2.5% (Down .02%)

    http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/Decision14/3NewsReidResearchPoll

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  205. Sublime (276 comments) says:

    Southern Raider: Tonight’s 3 News poll didn’t seem to have any result for the Conservatives?

    Was 3’s an RR poll? I think I read a Roy Morgan one during smoko today, had the Conservatives at 3.5%. I highly doubt it would’ve been a negligible number on whatever poll TV3 used … maybe the result didn’t suit the angle? The Conservatives do appear to be slowly but steadily climbing.

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  206. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    So how come the main item on the 3News website doesn’t mention Conservatives at all and you need to dig into a separate page to find them.

    Still seems weird and agree maybe doesn’t align with angle they want

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  207. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Conservatives are 4.2% down 0.4

    From video http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/key-could-need-maori-party-post-election-2014090318

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  208. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t National gift the conservatives a rural seat?

    There is plenty of rich Christian farmers and less candidates to confuse things. For example Hauraki only has 3 candidates for the election

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  209. Sublime (276 comments) says:

    Southern Raider: Still seems weird and agree maybe doesn’t align with angle they want

    Hehe – what I thought when just wrote the above post responding to you. Today Gower was carrying on about his new poll creating some sort of dilemma for Key. A slight Conservative movement certainly doesn’t fit that narrative :)

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  210. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    So Naaska and Pete both have 3News links with completely different numbers

    I like Pete’s ones. 4.2% is still bloody close to the magic number. What a waste of potential right supporting seats if they miss the threshold

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  211. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    ….”Why doesn’t National gift the conservatives a rural seat?”…..

    We rural dwellers need religious dipsticks in charge just like we need a plague of locusts! :)

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  212. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Sometimes you just need to suck it up Naaska for the greater good.

    Would you rural folks rather have Colin or Delahunty and Minto?

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  213. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Because the conservatives are a bunch of idiots that national rationally wants absolutely nothing to do with
    its going to be interesting. I actually hope all the conservonutters waste their votes on Mr gargoyles midlife crisis party. The resulting confusion and disappointment should keep me in laughter for the next three years saving lots in pot.

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  214. Kimbo (913 comments) says:

    Did anyone see Paddy Gower pissing his trousers tonight saying, “Based on these poll results, John Key would have to rely on the Maori Party to pass legislation – a really messy result”?

    I know journalists have to frame their stories as if Armageddon is coming, but maybe someone should point out to Gower…this has been the situation since 2008.

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  215. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Here’s another poll running tonight on the minor leader’s debate on Campbell Live:

    Minor parties debate Results
    Who won tonight’s TV3 minor party leaders debate?

    Winston Peters 5 %
    Laila Harre 6 %
    Metiria Turei 7 %
    Peter Dunne 6 %
    Jamie Whyte 8 %
    Te Ururoa Flavell 5 %
    Colin Craig 64 %
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/election/

    I’m a wee bit dubious.

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  216. goldnkiwi (1,276 comments) says:

    I would be interested in the Green’s reaction if John Key put the idea to them, only if he didn’t need their numbers and after the election. Would they say yes or no?

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  217. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Griff ever hear of the term useful idiots

    Give Craig an associate minister position in something like women’s affairs and then just use him to get policies passed

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  218. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    ….”Would you rural folks rather have Colin or Delahunty and Minto?”….

    That would need a coin toss to decide….anyway I doubt any Government that included Delahuntry or Minto would last a year before having to go to the polls again.

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  219. Griff (7,515 comments) says:

    Mr gargoyles bottom line is binding referendum.
    hence a non starter for even woman’s affairs.
    Better to chuck Mr peters a bauble for confidence and supply then pander to gargoyles jumped up bunch of moon bats.

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  220. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    An article on NewsTalk has about some protest march by Sky City union members today to promote early voting

    They were chanting change the government and had labour and mana flags

    How stupid are these people? National has backed the casino to create more jobs.

    Mana wants to close it down and Labour make it unsustainable

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  221. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9q4jdnv28sn7c0/CCCP%2010.jpg?dl=0

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  222. hj (6,915 comments) says:

    Winston Rides The Worm On Land Sales

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5739-nz-election-reactor-week-5-201408220352?
    Das iz good,yaa?

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  223. stigie (1,101 comments) says:

    “Colin Craig 64 %”

    Shit Nasska, does this mean you might vote for the Greens ?

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  224. Steve (North Shore) (4,546 comments) says:

    D4J @ 3.35
    “Steve what’s in that Dorkland water?”
    It is just water D4J, but seeing as most of NZ lives in Auckland we get a high overall percentage of the silly ones – and they voted for Len fucking Brown

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  225. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Nah stigie. Thankfully I got off that hook when JK ruled out standing aside McCully in ECB.

    I’ll stick with National.

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  226. RF (1,380 comments) says:

    Turtle Cunliffe is getting worse. Saw him on TV tonight. What a devious slimy bastard. No wonder he is hated by his own kind.

    This phoney useless prick is beyond contempt.

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  227. Sublime (276 comments) says:

    DPF: Are you going to blog those dad4justice emails you mentioned last night?

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  228. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Sublime

    DPF’s quoted comment was made on the same night of the actual meltdown about 18 months back.

    He never released them….I think DPF took pity & realised that they might have embarrassed Dad too much. :)

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  229. goldnkiwi (1,276 comments) says:

    Can ‘we’ now get an explanation regarding politicians ‘nicknames now that they are revealed in the Herald? Clayton Cosgrove? Pluggie? Did I read that correctly? Big difference in my mind between being a plugger or a pluggie. I am sure there is a simple explanation, not that ‘we’ deserve one. lol

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  230. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Great posts Penny as a poster that lives in another city,I wish you were on my political scene, but dont worry about the dickless insulters, farrars and slaters footsoldiers, not a cock to hang on to from these dickheads,rightwing wankers, penny one post is better than one post from……..

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