General Debate 4 September 2014

September 4th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

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  2. Redbaiter (8,885 comments) says:

    Colin Craig and Jamie Whyte showed up the other minor party MPs for a bunch of vacillating tired old stand for nothing socialist/ Marxist losers during last night’s debate.

    Is there any politican around at the moment who is more smug than horrible watermelon Metiria Turei?

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  3. ChrisM (103 comments) says:

    The Green Party is getting a free ride again from the media by its subtle dog whistle politics against Chinese land ownership and proposed purchase of Lochinver.
    First, a rafting guide was quoted as being against potential dairy farming on the headwaters of the Mohaka river: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/252914/concern-dairy-may-spoil-mohaka-river    Then the Greens also come out with the same anti- Chinese concerns straight after that but now they say it is definite dairying without any supporting evidence . http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/252996/greens-criticise-lochinver-station-plans . Just to make sure, Russel does another rafting trip to emphasise the point. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10444701/Norman-makes-a-point-with-paddle
    However, if one goes back, there is a blog by Russel of rafting on the Mohaka about 2011 using apparently the same guide https://home.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/mohaka-river-rafting-trip-hawkes-bay   Russel compounds his ignorance with his lack of geographical knowledge. The Mohaka starts at the junction of the Oamaru and Kaipo Rivers then it continues another 130km to the sea. The Taharua isn’t lower reaches as it joins just 3km downstream of the start,
    The Taharua was polluted when the dairy farms were under Crafar ownership. The Shanghai Pengxin have done a lot of riparian planting and destocking as part of their ownership, so the river now has trophy trout in, which indicates the pollution isn’t significant. The rafter in his statement admits the river has cleaned up, but pointedly doesn’t mention why. Also, to get access to the river where Russel’s party launched their rafts in 2011 means they would have needed access through foreign owned land of Poronui Station or a helicopter flight – I thought both were no-nos.
    The 14000 hectares of Lochinver is two blocks, 11000ha south of Napier Taupo road and 3000ha north east of the road. The latter is the Otematea Block. If any of the farm is converted to dairying, it will be this block which is lower level, warmer and drains into the Rangitaki that flows north through the dairy lands of Galatea. There are other dairy farms (ex Crafar)  already in the headwaters. Pengxin press release confirms Otematea is where they intend to convert. https://agrihq.co.nz/article/dairy-plan-for-lochinver?p=7  
    Most of the rest of the farm also drains into the headwaters of the Rangitaiki, apart from a bit right down in the southern part that is in the headwaters of the Ripia which joins .the Mohaka just above the Napier Taupo road bridge. It won’t be converted to dairying as it is poor access, poor soil, rough and cold. The Ripia also already has farms on in its lower reaches so isn’t a pristine bush stream.  
    So what we have is fortuitously timed press releases about impending river pollution with no evidence of dairying intent in the catchment. In fact, the evidence says the opposite. The Greens want to jump on the xenophobic bandwagon without admitting to the shame of it. Yet no MSM can join the dots and challenge them.
    Much of the intensification of dairying in the Central North Island has been on Maori land but Russel has never mentioned this. There are the big farms between Mokai and Bennydale that feed the Miraka dairy factory. This is where the milk from Pengxin farms goes, to make UHT milk for China (those trade links that Greens said didn’t exist).
    Why can’t the Greens just admit they hate dairy farming (and all the foreign exchange comes from it, though the drop of which is why there shouldn’t be tax cuts) and they don’t like Chinese either?

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  4. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    Cathy has more credibility than you ever will Penny

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  5. Nukuleka (327 comments) says:

    Stuff carrying a story today about a Tongan family of 4 who can’t survive on $2000 per fortnight. Of course, the story contains absolutely no details about any benefits in terms of Working for Families support or Accommodation allowance etc they might qualify for.

    Now, I know that we live in a different world but I recall that we used to talk about ‘Pommie whingers’ back in the 60s when folk came from the UK and spent all their time criticizing New Zealand. I really do wonder about families from impoverished countries like Tonga who choose to live in New Zealand and don’t recognise the immense benefits that they have here. The sole social security benefit available in Tonga is for those over 75 years of age who are entitled to a government pension of some $TOP75.00 ($NZ60) per month.

    This story is simply a beat up about a chap who sees himself as a ‘slave’ because he works 40 hours a week! Poor sod.

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  6. oldpark (331 comments) says:

    Great to see Labour/Green Party exposed caught like possums in the headlights trying to sneak in an inheritance/death duty tax.To think that is only one of a cartload of taxes planned by the two tax crazy parties,if they are able to bluff and con potential voters.

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  7. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    @Chrism
    Nice post- you’d put most journalist’s to shame. The MSM are notably soft on the Greens. They really have had no real exposure of their policies at all. I guess that was one of Hagar et Al’s objectives – look over there, not at me!

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  8. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    So yesterday I got a newsletter from my childs school saying they would like the children to wear purple on Friday in support of their campaign against the governments plan for paying lead teachers more. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with these people? My child is only 5 yet they want her to get involved in a political campaign. She knows nothing about politics at that age and besides I want her to develop her own views over time not have them forced on her. It is their right to oppose but including children like this is not cool.

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  10. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    The voting Booths are open. Go vote and don’t stuff about.

    Make sure you vote to keep the creeps, socialists and liars out. Oh that’s most.
    Bugger
    Perhaps we should say vote National (unfortunately) and Party vote Act.

    Go get it done.

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  11. Changeiscoming (189 comments) says:

    Winston Peters comment the voters will decide is very misleading. Sure the voters vote for parties but if he holds the balance of power then he and he alone gets to decide who is going to go with. So Mr Peters tell us who you are going to go with or at least who you prefer. We all know why you aren’t you want to pick up votes from both sides and you are worried that you might lose votes from one side by declaring.

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  12. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Time to dissect todays propaganda from the MSM, formerly known as “the news”

    Today’s lead MSM propaganda item tells us that “Green and red clad voters yesterday raced to the ballot box to make their vote count in this year’s election campaign”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10457342/Early-voters-quick-with-their-tick

    It tells us that “huge green and red numbers will vote this time and the people who didn’t vote last time, we are going to mobilise them.”

    (My take) It’s amazing with National so far in front of the red team in every single poll, that the MSM can just proclaim that huge numbers are goint to turn out for the red team, almost as every single poll up to this point are an aberration. It is also designed to make us believe Labour has more support than it really does

    We are told that one of the Red teams “great-grandmother signed the 1893 Women’s Suffrage petition which called on the government to grant women the vote”

    (My take) This is a truly propagandistic line that somehow Suffragettes who won the right to vote all those years ago was just so people can have the privilege of Labour in 6 generations time.

    We are informed that “Green Party MP Kevin Hague was at the polling station for support and emphasised candidates were not influencing voters”

    (My take) Yes Kevin, having prospective MPs at polling stations is not influencing voters. It is like walking into the polling station in Communist China, North Korea etc and seeing a picture of “dear leader” above the ballot booth. No influence at all aye Kevin.

    Overall though, the whole aim of this piece is to make readers flock to their teams because if you don’t the other team might get into power. It is to pretend that there is huge ideological battle going on between the Red & Green in one corner and Blue in the other. Ask any of these voters from the article however about what specifically National has done differently whilst in power than Labour, and you’re at best likely to get a blank face, at worst get some nonsensical answer like “they are in the pockets of big business”.

    “Democracy” and the MSM in this country is enough to want to make you cry.

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  13. mandk (993 comments) says:

    @ Cunningham,
    You should complain to the Chair of the BoT, then to your MP, write a letter to your local newspaper and to the DomPost/NZH.
    You could also send your child to school with a badge saying: “NZEI – stop playing politics with school kids”

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  14. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    I think it is time to move the political debate away from parties to the reality of who will/could be ministers in our parliament .. get some reality into our next 3 years.
    Labour:
    PM Cunliffe (a man his fellow MPs dislike) backed up by Parker Hipkins Moroney Twyford Cosgrove King Ardern Robertson
    Greens:
    co Deputy PM’s Norman and Turei backed up by Genter Delahunty Hughes Logie Sage
    Winston 1st:
    Peters (69 yo comedian) Martin Prosser O’Rourke
    “Mana”
    Harawira a man who has done fk all for the people of the north after years of being a MP
    Internet
    Lala, a failed MP from years gone by paid about $3000 week by a criminal backed up by Sykes (didn’t she once say that the USA deserved 9/11) and the screaming skull himself .. Minto
    those people named above could be ministers in the next NZ Govt .. fk me

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  15. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Go and vote.
    It will fuck up their attempts at media manipulation for they will be too late.

    Early voting screws the MSM.

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  16. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    The Sledge Pledge didn’t last long – here’s David Cunliffe calling John Key “Mr Nasty” yesterday on Newstalk ZB in an interview with Larry Williams:

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/election/ondemand/1909623683-david-cunliffe–the-pm-got-it-wrong-on-cgt

    Perhaps Mr Cunliffe thinks that now he’s voted, he doesn’t have to be abuse-free any more.

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  17. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    Penny, the day you pay rates and spend your time trying to find a job the better .. you have no credibility in the real word.

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  18. IGM (393 comments) says:

    Public Dog: Your envy of the successful is getting too much. The maligning of decent people by an old hag is what one expects of a left-wing leech and rates dodger.

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  19. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

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  20. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    “Is there any politican around at the moment who is more smug than horrible watermelon Metiria Turei?”

    NO

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  21. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Early voting?

    Just watch the left announce the dumbest policies every day.

    And then urge people to ‘get out and vote early’.

    The dumbest fucks in the country then ‘eventually get around to voting for them’.

    What a fucken joke of an election!!!

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  22. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Penny is this your campaign spending hours insulting a bunch of right wingers on kb?
    Commenting on here is meaningless if you actually want to get votes. few if any who read KB would give you the time of day
    Go out and campaign ffs and leave us in peace.

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  23. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Another day of hysterical and gratuitous name calling by the far left on DPFs private blog.

    Usually the lower the post count the more venal and illogical the bile.

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  24. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Penny

    So Cathy has left her place of employment—hundreds do that every day of the week, so they must all be corrupt according to you.
    Maybe Cathy has another job, maybe she is taking some time off –it none of our business and especially none of yours.

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  25. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    Has Cathy Odgers got a ‘Good Citizens Award’?

    Not to my knowledge.

    What, one of these?

    Doesn’t look too hard…

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  26. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    The joys of multiculturalism. European govts are suckers.Human rights you see. They need to learn from a real leader,Tony Abbott,and simply stop the arrival of illegal immigrants. Got to get tough.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11071633/Calais-mayor-threatens-to-block-port-over-immigration-row-with-Britain.html

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  27. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    Hey grief, are you calling yourself “right wing” now?

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  28. IGM (393 comments) says:

    Public Dog: Self praise is no recommendation and your awards are only given to leeching lefties . . . who cares, just go away!

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  30. IGM (393 comments) says:

    Public Dog: You not only look downright vile, your personality is worse. I suppose you are part of the thieving left-wing hackers, along with trips to the Slobcom bunker.

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  31. oldpark (331 comments) says:

    Over the last couple of Months,listening to the radio Newstalk ZB.They source their income from a host of small businesses,by advertising their products.The Australian owners also own N Z Herald which is not as lucrative as Newstalk ZB according to that company’s CEO.Their news bulletins and their Labour/Green imbedded reporters go out of their way to denigrate the present National Government,and promote the alternative.Maybe there are a lot of financial dummy’s reporting news bulletins,and just for once, realise where their income comes from,and stop biting the hand that feeds them.Would be helpful to their army of advertisers to give a better balance in their news bulletins.

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  32. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    It’s easy enough to understand the primary reason most people vote for their team i.e.

    Greens – you want Communism with a nice sounding name
    Labour – you want “equality” or are a teacher
    National – you want to keep Labour out
    Act – you believe in Liberty and small government
    Conservative – you want a return to government for the people, by the people
    NZ First – you like Winston Peters
    Maori Party – you’re a racist
    Internet Party – you like drugs

    But the thing that has me dumbfounded, why would anyone vote for Peter Dunne?

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  33. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t have thought that IGM was ‘far left’ Lance?

    Could be wrong – but somehow doubt it;)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  34. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/253646/questions-over-election-period-advert

    So there is good progress being made on rebuilding our 2nd largest city after the great natural disaster of our times, the economy is getting back its head of steam after the biggest depression since 1931, people’s wages are rising; but the Prime Minister knows a bit about something a big real estate agent is doing, and somehow that’s the real issue here!

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  35. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Can you actually read kowtow? At a guess you are voting colons confused crazy’s not right wing .
    I have posted my preference many times
    ACT party vote.
    As I presently live in an electorate with a 17,000 majority to national my electoral vote is a moot point.
    It would have gone to the green party as a agw protest but there is no green standing so I will electoral vote ALC.

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  36. IGM (393 comments) says:

    Public Dog: The only support you will receive will be from losers, leeches and thieves . . . go away.

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  37. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    A DECENT New Zealand where parasites like you don’t pay their rates?

    Just fuck off Penny Dog, you WORTHLESS bludging sack of shit.

    Get a job, or something?

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  38. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:
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  39. sooty (64 comments) says:

    Penny, if you paid your rates, would they vote for you?

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  40. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Actually semi-hysterical IGM, the one and only time I have been to the Dotcom mansion was as a Process Server, hand-delivering the witness summonses to Kim Dotcom and Wayne Tempero, which got them into Court to give oral evidence in the unprecedented John Banks case for electoral fraud.

    The rest is history …..

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  41. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog at 8:12 am

    Or were the self-appointed ‘Public Watchdog watchers’ just stunned into silence?

    Oh I’m sorry Penny – do you have a problem with people who have “self-appointed” themselves to a watchdog role? :-)

    Oh the irony …
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    Watching the Watchdog

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  42. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Fuck it Penny has got a point:

    Government corruption is the most dangerous matter in a democratic country as it effects society at all levels, and it wrecks havoc on the entire civil populace — generally the country is then run by the millitary :cool: –and the penalty should then be one of the most severe.

    ANY AND ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS and those who are representing the ‘governments interests’ and who do not declare shares and financial holdings in companies ect to the government that they operate within, should be jailed for a minimum of ten years.

    No exceptions.

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  43. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Goodness me – the Kiwiblog goldfish are in a gumming frenzy!

    Guess I must be doing something right :)

    Seems some of you have a very poor opinion of the 11,723 Aucklanders who voted for me last year in the Auckland Mayoralty.

    How rude!

    Have a cuppa IGM and calm yourself.

    It’s called ‘freedom of expression’ and you don’t have to be personally nasty just because you don’t (yet) see the sense in what I’m saying :)

    You have a lovely day.

    I am :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  44. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    grief

    I didn’t ask you who you were voting for.Nor do I care. I asked you, were you calling yourself a right winger now?( see 831).

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  45. jcuk (687 comments) says:

    Why are you so nasty to sweet Penny and her lengthy tirades …I just scroll past them.

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  46. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    I read where Cunliffe is trying make hay out of some revelation about the Food & Grocery organisation( Katherine Rich) and Slater.
    When will Cunliffe & the MSM workout that what they did is what lobbyists and the Unions have been doing for years . Slater & co are just using different technology “platforms”

    ( Not a lot different to what Penny does on KB every day , pushing her anti corruption wagon)

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  47. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “…..But the thing that has me dumbfounded, why would anyone vote for Peter Dunne?…”

    Because they’re Muslim.

    Or Neo Nazis. :cool:

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  48. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Harriet (4,633 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 9:09 am
    “…..But the thing that has me dumbfounded, why would anyone vote for Peter Dunne?…”

    Because they’re Muslim.

    Or Neo Nazis. :cool:

    Or a manufacturer of hair products, or a hair stylist – one should never forget the ‘hair’ in any conversation about Dunne!

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  49. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    11,723 is a little over 1% of 1.4 million Aucklanders.

    I thought you Occupy types were the 99% Penny, but you seem to be the 1% ;-)

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  50. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    C’mon Penny,

    Given that government corruption leads to milltary rule – are you going to jail any and all public servants for not declaring share holdings?

    Or are you just another fucken loud mouth talking shit? :cool:

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  51. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    What’s your view Graham on Auditor-General Lyn Provost’s failure to disclose her shareholding in Sky City when I asked her to conduct an inquiry into a matter involving Sky City?

    Or are you just too gutless to ‘watch’ the statutory third party ‘Public Watchdogs’ who get paid PUBLIC monies to look after the public and the public interest?

    Unlike myself?

    Well – you keep watching how we unpaid, self-funded ‘Public Watchdogs’ do it Graham – you will probably learn something :)

    Penny Bright

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  52. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ RRM (9,672 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    You may not like her opinion, or agree with her, but she has as much right to voice her opinion, as you do.

    You have the choice of ignoring her – but you do not have the right to tell her not to speak.

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,187 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    It’s not like you to leave a gap for criticism, but as you have, I will oblige – not all the $1.4 million Aucklanders, are eligible to vote. You need to revise your figures sweetie. :-)

    Meant in a loving caring manner, as always!

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  54. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Kowtow I know you are thick you proved it to my satisfaction when you didn’t even know what a Conservative is
    Can you suggest a more right wing choice than ACT .
    I resigned from ACT only when a conservative Banks was leading the party.
    I am and have been right wing since I was old enough to vote
    My support of AGW is based on science and has nothing to do with my political leaning.

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  55. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Michael Snyder warns of a huge economic crash next year as they have a history of coming round in 7 year cycles in our fiat monetary system – 1973, 1980, 1987, 1994, 2001, 2008.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-seven-year-cycle-of-economic-crashes-that-everyone-is-talking-about

    This prediction is of course founded in the sound economic theory of the Austrian school:

    “True, governments can reduce the rate of interest in the short run. They can issue additional paper money. They can open the way to credit expansion by the banks. They can thus create an artificial boom and the appearance of prosperity. But such a boom is bound to collapse soon or late and to bring about a depression” – Mises

    “The cyclical fluctuations of business are not an occurrence originating in the sphere of the unhampered market, but a product of government interference with business conditions designed to lower the rate of interest below the height at which the free market would have fixed it.” – Mises

    Time to end the Central Banking cartel

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  56. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Judith with regard Penny and her rights,if you change her name to Robyn Bain it just doesnt read the same.
    Pity Robyn cant have the right of silence as a choice as it was forced on him.
    But then he doesnt have rights really?

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  57. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    I heard on the news this morning that WINZ has hired an extra 100 security officers following a spate of threats, abuse, broken windows…

    What horrible thing must WINZ have done to deserve such a response from its clients?

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  58. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog at 9:14 am:

    What’s your view Graham on Auditor-General Lyn Provost’s failure to disclose her shareholding in Sky City when I asked her to conduct an inquiry into a matter involving Sky City?

    Penny, I will happily answer ANY questions you ask me – once you start answering the questions I have asked you on numerous occasions.

    Frankly, I’m buggered if I know how you expect to get anywhere in Parliament or, for that matter as an MP, when your entire M.O. seems to consist of demanding that people answer your questions while simultaneously refusing to even acknowledge any questions that people have the audacity to put to you. Luckily I think the good people of Helensville will very quickly come to see through your charade of actually wanting to represent them, when they realise that you don’t actually have any policies that directly relate to Helensville.

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  59. Redbaiter (8,885 comments) says:

    “I resigned from ACT only when a conservative Banks was leading the party.”

    That’s right because you’re not RW at all, you’re the same old Progressive as every other confused loser who postures here as RW but is basically interchangeable with any Labour supporter apart from a few minor differences on budget.

    And if you had any idea what a Conservative was you wouldn’t call Banks one. If he was Conservative he’d never have put his name forward to lead ACT and he would never have voted for the far left Marxist Louisa Wall’s marriage redefinition act.

    Leaving aside your pathetic kissing of the feet of those who have cooked up the biggest left wing scam the west has ever seen. (AGW)

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  60. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Meant of course in a caring way Graham – but have you been overdosing on your THICK pills?

    Are you not aware that the Helensville electorate is within the boundaries of the Auckland Supercity for the 1%?

    Which I have actively opposed literally from Day One?

    So – in my ongoing opposition to this corrupt corporate takeover of the Auckland region so it is run ‘like a business, by business FOR business’ – I’ve been helping the majority of citizens and ratepayers / voting public who live in the Helensville electorate for some time.

    (Arguably far more than the current MP for Helensville John Key, whose National /ACT Government railroaded through the enabling Supercity legislation without allowing citizens their lawful right to a binding vote on this (forced) amalgamation.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  61. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Redbalther

    Banks was a conservative I am a progressive You are an authoritarian nutcase.
    If we didn’t have progress we would still be swinging in the tress of Africa.
    Your politics is solely based on your pathetic fear of change your rejection of science is cut with the same cloth.

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  62. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    EAD – ill spit tacks if we crash next year. the 7 year cycle should start once things are back to normal.. we are only just getting there from 2008.

    the yanks are still fucked.

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  63. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen (532 comments) says:

    What horrible thing must WINZ have done to deserve such a response from its clients?

    I don’t think it’s WINZ at the core of the problem, I think it’s the shift of mental health care from institutions to the community. It seems like a trade-off that comes with giving those at the edges of society more freedom. There’s a risk to others in society.

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  64. flash2846 (286 comments) says:

    @ ingham (830 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 8:11 am
    So yesterday I got a newsletter from my childs school saying they would like the children to wear purple on Friday in support of their campaign against the governments plan for paying lead teachers more. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with these people? My child is only 5 yet they want her to get involved in a political campaign. She knows nothing about politics at that age and besides I want her to develop her own views over time not have them forced on her. It is their right to oppose but including children like this is not cool.

    PLEASE TELL ME YOU HAVE COMPLAINED TO THE EDUCATION MINISTRY – VERY NECESSARY I THINK. Good luck

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  65. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    Police not commenting on rumours they are about to move on hacker
    Andrea Vance tweeted this

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  66. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    odyaku

    Last night on RNZ Mary Wilson asked Brendan Boyle of the MSD if these threats from WINZ “clients” said something about the “relationship” between WINZ and its clients. The implication being that its somehow WINZ’s fault.Talk about placing the blame where it doesn’t belong. Why my taxes fund that “prog” bullshit really bothers me.

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  67. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Ok Kiwibloggers – this is supposed to be ‘General Debate’ is it not?

    And aren’t we now supposed to try and play nicely in this particular part of the blogosphere – given the ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations and all that?

    A bit hard for some of you poor things?

    Kind regards

    Penny Brigjt

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  68. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    Answer those fucking questions Penny if you are a credible candidate for Helensville ?

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  69. deadrightkev (469 comments) says:

    Banks was just another nail in the Act coffin and so was Brash because he was totally past it. If polling continues downward or stays at 0.5% and Key sticks to his suicidal strategy of gifting Seymour Epsom then that will be the end of Act as the vast majority of members from 1996 to 2014 want it.

    No disrespect to David but on his own he will be whip fodder for National. I don’t see Jamie Whyte sticking around for another three years on the side lines putting up with the Labour party apparatchiks scheming in the back office to keep their jobs and kill Whyte off. Act is dead.

    In contrast Colin Craig sits there within a sniff of 5% also representing most of Acts policies but the Act schemers and the National goobers seem to think it is smart attacking Craig. Hello?

    Do they want Labour and the Greens? Do they seriously think Winston First as a coalition partner is going to take NZ forward over the next three years? Seriously.

    Time to stop being numbskull tribal activists and start thinking about New Zealand me thinks.

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  70. ross411 (841 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen (532 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 9:26 am
    I heard on the news this morning that WINZ has hired an extra 100 security officers following a spate of threats, abuse, broken windows…

    What horrible thing must WINZ have done to deserve such a response from its clients?

    When you give people something they didn’t earn, they are trained into a sense of entitlement. This means that if you don’t give them whatever they further feel entitled to, regardless of whether it is reasonable, then they have to act out.

    The great work Paula Bennett has done in reducing beneficiary numbers (what I call the boss class as the rest of us, the slave class, work to support them) will have probably provoked them.

    Clients? I say masters coming for their tithe. It is rightful if those who work for their benefit do not deliver all of which they are entitled, then they and their associates must be beaten down.

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  71. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    grief

    Thank you for clarifying that you are a “progressive”.

    As to the rest I couldn’t put it better than the redoubtable Red has.

    Perhaps Grief is just befuddled by all that dope he so happily ingests as well as bewildered by the 18 year “pause ” in man made global warming.

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  72. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog at 9:49 am:

    ** yawn ** whatever Penny. Kiwibloggers are intelligent enough to see past your charade, and I trust the people of Helensville are as well. I actually did watch the video of the Helensville meeting, listened to your complete spiel, and I know what your agendas are. They certainly don’t include working for the people of Helensville.

    But thanks SO MUCH for actually responding for once. It is funny to see you in a good old gumming frenzy – I guess I must be doing something right. :-)

    You’ve made my day! :-)

    ———————————————————————————————————————————-

    Watching the Watchdog

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  73. waikatogirl (427 comments) says:

    Whale Dump has had his twitter account closed – suspended

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  74. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    EAD @ 8.46

    Dunne = Hunters.

    I dunno but I have been told he is a very good MP on a local level too.

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  75. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Yip colon and the crazys made a statement when they chose to stand their best candidate in ACTs seat Epson
    vote for us we are not interested being part of the right wing we represent the crazy fringe of fake moon landings 9/11conspricy and anti vax herbalists.
    Colon has policy ? all I have seen so far is populist sound bites like reduce government spending and a return to family values and other content less unquantified rubbish.
    Just noting who are his supporters on here tells you all you need to know about the coned preservatives.

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  76. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    EAD, lets find out more about Michael T. Snyder and the impending end of times economic Armageddon . He ,

    “is a fundamentalist Christian crank who has started numerous blogs as a testament to his raging insane belief that the world is about to end. He started with The Economic Collapse Blog in 2007, with constant articles stating how the world is going to hell every single day since the meltdown started in 2007. It seems as though Snyder blames the government for every ill in the world, because without it everything would be great.

    Like most doom-sayers, it doesn’t seem to faze Snyder one bit that every one of his past predictions of economic collapse were dead wrong. This horrendous track record would cause most people to reevaluate their beliefs in the effort to one day be right. Yet, he simply refuses to even address or acknowledge that he has been wrong thousands of times, especially if you count each numbered item of his massive lists. He seems to have explosive diarrhea of the mind that no amount of logic can slow or stop.”

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_T._Snyder

    Just keep us posted about the imminent time and date of your economic apocalypse and more a bout the so called redoubtable ” Austrian School. ?”
    Hope this doesn’t represent main stream conservative party supporter thinking.

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  77. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    Puzzling –

    1] Where is Hone?

    2] Why has Dotcom urged people to vote early when we are supposed to be awaiting his September 15th Auckland Town Hall International Hackers bombshell?

    3] Prime Minister John Key asked a simple question regarding Capital Gains Tax, which Cunliffe couldn’t on the spot answer although he wrote the policy. So why in this is Key accused of Dirty Politics, which up until now had related to people publishing stolen material – other people’s private and personal electronic communications?

    4] Winston Peter’s contends [in a pre-Oravida accusation, but only released last week] that Collins would roll Key on Winston’s behalf. How Dirty is this compared to the suggestions that Grant Robertson is the person behind spreading the rumour that David Cunliffe has done a Pants Down Len Brown, giving rise to pointed comments like “Cunliffe was caught like he was snapped pants down in a carpark liaison with someone other than his wife”?

    5] Mentioning tools, what happened to Parker’s Big Tool? That interfering with KiwiSaver to relieve housing costs although the NZ$ rate is actually boosted externally by the poor performance of US banks.

    6] What is the Police E-Crime team for, if not to investigate the theft of personal online information, especially when they have parties [Hager and the Herald] acknowledging the theft, and benefiting from the use of the stolen information?

    7] Should funeral directors be able to offer family-home real estate facilities to give an all-in-one service?

    8] If Police are about to move on the Hacker, will he/she get name suppression?

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  78. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    So the dirty move to stop the public knowing about their filthy deeds

    Disgusting, appalling and so blardy typical.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11318949

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  79. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Something tells me journalists and news organisations are getting worried about their future. Blogs have got them very worried.
    Watch out david !!

    I get Unlimited ( the online version of a business magazine) emailed to me. It is good with some inspiring stories of generally new businesses doing a wide range of things.

    The latest issue has an editorial by editor Maria Slade titled ” Whale of a show. Will people learn that blogs aren’t objective news?”

    Obviously it is about the controversy surrounding WhaleOil and Hagers book etc.

    The concluding paragraph states ” With any luck one of the most valuable things to emerge from the saga will be an appreciation on the part of the voting and consuming public that blogs are not objective sources of news”

    Well Maria –keep hoping but it will be a waste of time. Blogs are here to stay and I think following the debacle Hager & co has turned this election campaign into, they will grow faster.

    The stupid thing about her and her colleagues concern is that blogs like KB are often threads based on articles from the MSM that, in this case, David adds his view and then allows a conversion/debate to take place. Yes it can be biased ,but so what ,we all know that when we click on.

    I was about to send a comment to Maria but I then saw her email was ” @fairfaxnews ” and realised I would wasting my time.

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  80. SteveRemmington (16 comments) says:

    I see Cunliffe and Dotcom giving interviews outside the respective Voting Stations last night.

    How does this stand up against Part 7 of the Electoral Act?

    Presence in voting places

    Candidates and their supporters (except an authorised scrutineer) may only enter a voting place to vote. After voting, they must leave. Candidates should not enter a voting place to interact with scrutineers. If a candidate wishes to be filmed or photographed voting, they must have the approval of the Returning Officer. Approval will be given on condition that:
    • the filming or photography does not disrupt the voting place, and
    • no interviews are given in the voting place or in the area around it.

    Parties and candidates are asked to exercise restraint in the vicinity of voting places to avoid complaints.

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  81. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    To ross411 et al

    I suggest that morality is measured in outcomes, rather than in words or deeds.

    In our desire to “do the right thing” are we not creating monsters?

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  82. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    Are you ready for Friday’s Day of Action for a better plan?
    Make sure you get your placards and purple clothes together for Friday morning.
    Our aim is to make this a high profile event.  So we need a big turnout bright and early at your local MP’s office – 7.30 on Friday morning – to support our Better Plan for kids campaign.
    This will help send a resounding message to the Government that we’re committed to supporting our vote against its controversial Investing in Educational Success plan
    – NZEI NEWS

    I thought purple was Internet MANA?

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  83. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Twitter suspends a user for violating the terms of service. So what?

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  84. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Criminal hackers have attacked the Government in Peru in a similar way to they have in NZ.
    Meanwhile, some American political hackers are thinking of seeking asylum in Russia.

    Our MSM provides a dream environment for criminal hackers. It shows little or no interest in the legality of their methods, who they are, or how they hack. So if you want background here’s some good overseas material:

    First, I repeat the link I gave two days ago to this background article on the notorious political hackers, Anonymous, who may or may not be linked to the criminal political hacking in NZ:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/08/masked-avengers?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklyemail

    The Peru hacks that have similarities to those in NZ:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/61014950/lulzsec-hackers-rattle-south-america-govts

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  85. Scott Hamilton (298 comments) says:

    Judith, it Looks like Whaledump, like its predecessors in 1951, has felt the long hand of bourgeois law: http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/the-whaledump-tradition.html

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  86. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @Penny

    You said: “What’s your view Graham on Auditor-General Lyn Provost’s failure to disclose her shareholding in Sky City when I asked her to conduct an inquiry into a matter involving Sky City?”

    hmmm Penny lets investigate your assertion.

    Lets ask the question, how do you know that Lyn Provost holds shares in Sky City?

    Well the Feb 2013 report of the Inquiry into the Government’s decision to negotiate with SkyCity Entertainment Group Limited for an international convention centre makes that information PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

    http://www.oag.govt.nz/2013/skycity/2013/skycity/docs/inquiry-into-the-government2019s-decision-to-negotiate-with-skycity-entertainment-group-limited-for-an-international-convention-centre

    The report is written by the Deputy Auditor General because: “The Auditor-General has a small shareholding in SkyCity so she has not been involved in this inquiry.”

    The Auditor General chose to reject your request because:

    “The particular inquiry request fell outside my mandate in the Public Audit Act as I cannot inquire into matters of policy. As the reason for declining to inquire was a matter of law not judgement, I replied myself. I also took the opportunity to reinforce our criteria for inquiries.”

    There was absolutely no necessity for Lyn Provost to disclose her shareholding in Skycity because it was already a matter of PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

    To suggest that she hid her shareholding from you (and the public) deliberately is on the face of it ludicrous, given that it was “PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE”.

    Now that I have corrected your assertion that Lyn Provost attempted to conceal her shareholding from yourself by patently demonstrating it to be false, please refrain from reasserting it. Such an assertion would be a blatant attempt to manipulate the facts and mislead the the public. It would constitute not only slander, but corruption.

    I trust this helps you.

    __________________________

    Watching the watchdog.

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  87. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    @WhaleDumpNZ is new Twitter account

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  88. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    More socialist PC madness. The signs at our international airports might better read: Welcome to the greatest socialist paradise since Pol Pot’s Cambodia.

    A farmhand dismissed for cruelty to cows, has been awarded thousands in compensation, though the Employment Relations Authority confirmed that he did commit cruelty.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/10459349/Farm-worker-unjustifiably-dismissed-for-abusing-cows

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  89. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re the farmhand compensated after being sacked for cruelty to animals… (my 11.51 post).

    I wonder how an SPCA prosecution of the farmhand would fare? (A prosecution if need be funded by crowd funding).

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  90. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Alleyoopoop – have you been sharing Graham’s THICK pills?

    The OAG inquiry into the dodgy Sky City deal – which was not handled by Auditor-General Lyn Provost because she was a shareholder in Sky City, is quite a separate matter to my request for the Auditor-General to investigate why the Organised and Financial Crime Agency of NZ (OFCANZ) had failed to carry out ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the NZ International Convention Centre Act.

    Didn’t you know that Sky City have effectively been able to set up a money laundering factory in Auckland City – in my considered opinion, as someone who has extensively researched this matter through a series of OIA requests and replies?

    Are you aware of the FACT that neither John Key, Steven Joyce, OFCANZ, Auckland Council nor Auckland Central Police did ANY ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the NZ International Convention Centre Act?

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  91. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Morning Penny!
    You put a lot of time and effort into your posts. Do you frequent any other blogs?

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  92. freemark (580 comments) says:

    What a bizarre, nasty & almost certainly dishonest accusation Judith.
    It is more likely to be (as I’m sure you know) a deliberate breach to gain some more sympathy from rabble like you.
    The sheer desperation as all the lies & dirty tricks against the Govt haven’t worked is so transparent.

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  93. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    So, it is close to the 13th anniversary of 9/11 and guess what? In Libya, 12 commercial airliners have reportedly gone missing after Islamists overrun that airport.

    Islamist militias in Libya took control of nearly a dozen commercial jetliners last month, and western intelligence agencies recently issued a warning that the jets could be used in terrorist attacks across North Africa.

    Intelligence reports of the stolen jetliners were distributed within the U.S. government over the past two weeks and included a warning that one or more of the aircraft could be used in an attack later this month on the date marking the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against New York and Washington, said U.S. officials familiar with the reports.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-fears-of-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-911/

    That can’t be good.

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  94. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Doesn’t “money laundering” effectively mean that you get to pay (or someone does) a bit of tax on ill gotten gains that would normally remain outside the financial system Penny?
    You are a strange woman, even your & Judith’s other mates on Waiheke are having a bit of a laugh at you now.

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  95. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    So, Obama doesn’t seem to be inclined to do anything about ISIS, not even when two American citizens have been beheaded. Joe Biden made a statement, however, saying that the U.S would follow these guys “to the gates of Hell”. One can’t help but think this wasn’t authorized, but Biden has got Obama into hot water before with the statements he has come out with.

    As a nation we are united and when people harm Americans we don’t retreat, we don’t forget. We take care of those who are grieving and when that’s finished, they should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice because hell is where they will reside.”

    At least he had the balls to say it, rather than brush the whole thing off and go golfing. Obama should be the one up there making this statement.

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  96. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    fletch

    Biden / Obummer. It’s a Laurel and Hardy routine. Biden can talk as tough as he likes and that allows the administration to pretend it’s tough. Allows the compliant media to broadcast toughness from the White House.Meanwhile Obama, who has the real power carries on doing nothing.

    They need to get as many allies and as many planes and drones over to Iraq /Syria and bomb the fuck out of every last truck, tank,ute, position etc that ISIS have ,preferably fully laden with Muslim citizens of Oz, NZ , UK,USA and anywhere else.

    Meanwhile the “home’ govts of these foreign fuckers should cancel their passports so they’re stuck in some Middle eastern shithole where true justice will be meted out to the c#nts.

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  97. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ freemark (525 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Slater has said he made the complaints = he needed to silence him obviously.

    But he hasn’t. Whaledump is dumping like there is no tomorrow ! ;-) Slater (a huge hypocrite who doesn’t mind publishing other people’s private matters) has only stirred the hornets nest. I love it = mostly because if the situation was reversed, you’d be all over it like a rash. The hypocrisy is amazing from all sides. A real lesson in human behaviour in the 21st century. I can’t see anything getting better for any Kiwi, anytime soon.

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  98. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    kowtow’s contribution to a sane and reasoned initiative for a more durable Middle East and World peace .

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  99. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    Judith said

    So the dirty move to stop the public knowing about their filthy deeds

    Disgusting, appalling and so blardy typical.

    How would you feel if all your personal communications were hacked Judith, and splashed all over the internet? How would you feel if you were identified as a result? How would your employer feel? It’s easy to take the moral high ground Judith, until things get close to home.

    The Listener is hardly a right-wing journal. But whoever wrote this week’s editorial about Herr Dotcom gets the double standard:

    On what planet is it noble and ethical to deplore surveillance of private individuals by the state for security purposes, while at the same time glorifying the hacking of private individuals’ information by those with personal agendas, such as him.

    Dotcom’s bragging of having hacked into Helmut Kohl’s financial rating and changing it because he didn’t like the then German Prime Minister caused the media coverage of IM’s campaign opening to degenerate into farce. The media was entirely right to ask questions about his personal ethics regarding the burgling of people’s online information.

    And the money quote comes a couple of paragraphs later (I’m having to re-type this; it’s not online yet):

    Hypocrisy abounds in any campaign, but this is the most blatant example this election.

    When even a left-leaning journal such as The Listener is slagging off Dotcom for his hypocrisy, then we can safely assume said hypocrisy exists.

    NB: I stop short of accusing Dotcom of direct involvement in the hacking of Slater’s computer (take note Tom and Jerry), but he has sent plenty of gloating tweets about the hacking, indicating that he approves of Rawshark’s actions. And here’s a final gem from The Listener:

    To paint state surveillance as evil, especially while glamorising hacking, is as irresponsible as it is brain-dead.

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  100. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    I thought I read somewhere that Whaledump twitter account had been shut down?

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  101. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    The left is failing as a movement for a simple reason, demographics. Left voters are the young/naive/ill-educated and poor (except for their leaders, full of religious fervour). All of these groups are diminishing in size due to longer life, better education and gorowing prosperity.

    It will get progressively harder for them to get elected over the coming decades.

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  102. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    It’s worse than you thought…..even the party faithful & grassroots organisers have seen the light.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rrwmm3hmer45re6/CCCP%2016.png?dl=0

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  103. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    stephie

    Prayers aren’t going to stop ISIS.

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  104. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    It’s refreshing to have Penny post everyday.
    Away with the fairies but generally non abusive (sort of) and usually even vaguely topical.

    Every village needs an idiot and Penny could easily be Kiwiblog’s.
    Kinda like a mascot almost :-)

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  105. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Kiwiblog is my favourite blog upon which to post my considered opinions :)

    And SO many Kiwibloggers are now ‘watching’ my Public Watchdog posts – it makes it very worth my time :)

    Look at how many of my posts end up ‘popular’ / ‘hot debate’ / and my favourite ‘hidden’ :)

    Where would General Debate be without my sterling/ stirring comments?

    I know even the whining Kiwibloggers are reading my posts – I mean how could intelligent, thinking adults not like something they hadn’t even read?

    Oh – that’s right – ‘Dirty Politics’ means you can condemn out of hand something you haven’t read for yourself.

    VERY ‘Libertarian’

    NOT.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  106. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @Penny

    I never claimed that the OAG inquiry into the Sky City deal was related to your enquiry request.

    What the report does do however is establish matters of public record, to wit, that Lyn Provost held shares in Sky City. (A minor disclosure, but nonetheless one of public record)

    You asserted is that Lyn Provost failed to disclose her shareholding in Skycity when she declined your request and insinuated corruption based on this assertion.

    While your assertion is true, it is also meaningless.

    While her shareholding may be tenuously relevant to your correspondence, it is a matter of public knowledge, and as such requires no disclosure.

    You cannot accuse someone of hiding information which is and remains freely available.

    Lyn Provost also made the reasons to decline your request publicly available, to wit:

    “The particular inquiry request fell outside my mandate in the Public Audit Act as I cannot inquire into matters of policy. As the reason for declining to inquire was a matter of law not judgement, I replied myself. I also took the opportunity to reinforce our criteria for inquiries.”

    It’s certainly within your rights (and indeed anyone’s) to challenge this rational (which appears to be technical) in a court of law, and if you feel strongly about it I suggest you do so.

    It is not appropriate to slander an appropriately appointed public official.

    Penny also wrote: “Didn’t you know that Sky City have effectively been able to set up a money laundering factory in Auckland City – in my considered opinion, as someone who has extensively researched this matter through a series of OIA requests and replies?”

    I’m under no obligation to be aware of, nor take cognizance of your “considered opinion”. If you have evidence of criminal activities please present it to the SFO.

    In the meantime please refrain from slandering lawful businesses.

    _______________________________________________________

    I find it deeply disturbing that “self appointed” vigilante’s feel they can slander public officials and legitimate business’s with impunity.

    Watching the Watchdog.

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  107. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    When you are poor or young you vote with your heart; when you are old or rich you vote with your wallet. Brains don’t enter into politics

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  108. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Nasska: he who bags out the religious while living like the Amish.

    And lives in the style that wussle Norman sees fit.

    Eketahuna hillbilly. Total loser. :cool:

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  109. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    You can’t make this shit up

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11318914

    Len Brown is anti-environment

    Brahahhahahah

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  110. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    “Where would General Debate be without my sterling/ stirring comments?”

    A lot more people would come to Kiwiblog if you went away and stayed away Penny !!

    Attendee 1960 Ekatahuna Fergie pulling champs.

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  111. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,188 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    How do you think those businesses and private people felt to know they were being plotted against, and having their information that they thought was private splashed all over Whale oil’s blog KS?

    If I was taking part in something as sleazy as whaleoil, then I would deserve to receive exactly what he is, and to be exposed for it.

    How do you think some New Zealanders feel know that the Minister of Justice gives preference and therefore exclusive rights to some people, and denies others equal opportunity. How do you think some people feel about the Minister of Justice attempting to influence public opinion through the use of selected people, in order to influence Cabinet decisions, KS.

    Cameron Slater got just what he deserved, to have his dirty dealings made public, and if I was involved in the same sort of filth, I’d deserve the same to.

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  112. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    kow tow,

    Prayers aren’t going to stop ISIS.

    But airstrikes can and will,

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/aug/27/us-military-isis-air-strikes-in-iraq-day-by-day-breakdown

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  113. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “……kowtow’s contribution to a sane and reasoned initiative for a more durable Middle East and World peace…”

    stephie boi thinks one of ISIS aims is for world peace.

    They don’t support life Stephie. They take it. You live exactly like them – or you die.

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  114. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    Harriet,

    re my post 1.00pm just above.!

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  115. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    A lot more people would come to Kiwiblog if you went away and stayed away Penny !!

    Like I said yesterday people. You keep giving a narcissist attention, they’ll keep coming back.

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  116. Nukuleka (327 comments) says:

    Good to see Penny once again out and about in Helensville, connecting with the voters there and ensuring that she is promoting the beliefs that she hold so dear.

    Oops- rewind….

    Good to see Penny once again out about on the KB site, wasting her time and ours, and showing that she has no right whatsoever to put her name forward as a candidate for a general election when she has so little commitment to, or interest in, the good folk of Helensville. How many votes do you reckon you’ll get, Pen? As many as you garnered last time you stood in a general election?

    All meant in a cuddly sort of way.

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  117. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    stephie

    Prayers aren’t going to stop ISIS.

    It looks like Christians are beginning to arm up to fight.

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/30/thousands-christians-take-arms-finally-crush-isis-end-persecutions/

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  118. kowtow (8,484 comments) says:

    Latest images of that Arab Springey thingey.

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/missing-jetliners-raise-fear-of-new-911style-attacks-after-libyan-airport-falls-to-islamic-militants/story-fnhrvhol-1227046071700?nk=c92c248ebb24facf822550962fe22a8c

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  119. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter, Keynes and his predictions that he got right,

    “In n 1925, he shocked respectable opinion by denouncing Britain’s return to the gold standard at the prewar dollar-pound ratio of $4.86. (Then Chancellor of the Exchequer Winston Churchill would later confess that the return to gold at the prewar parity was one of the greatest mistakes of his life.) ”

    “If we accept this distillation of Keynes, then the revival of classical liberal economics since the 1970s is evidence for Keynes’ position, not Hayek’s. That is, the exceptional degree of state intervention required to win the war and establish a prosperous peace did not result in a grim slide to state socialism. Instead, when the need for the “Keynesian” remedies passed, British (and American) society returned to liberal economics and values. The triumph of liberal economics in the New Labour government of British Prime Minister Tony Blair would have satisfied, not horrified, Keynes.”

    “Keynes has been buried many times since, generally with fewer honors. Politicians and economists spent 20 years proclaiming the death of Keynesianism. After reading Skidelsky, one sees that the essence of his contribution was not a set of policy prescriptions or even the theoretical formulations associated with his name. What preoccupied Keynes his whole life was the quest for a liberal middle way between the harsh realities of economic competition and the stultifying embrace of egalitarian socialism. That quest remains the central concern of most market economies. Keynes is likely to be with us as long as markets astound us with their dynamism yet the glittering prize of universal affluence dangles just beyond reach.”

    What we have is man who strove to a middle path between the ideological extremes of Libertarianism such as the Austrian School and Neo Marxist ones . He found the middle path as exemplified in both centre left and right policies as practiced today.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/57632/walter-russell-mead/in-the-long-run-keynes-and-the-legacy-of-british-liberalism

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/keynes-predicts-economic-chaos

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  120. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    Fletch,

    Matthew 26: 52

    http://biblehub.com/matthew/26-52.htm

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  121. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Stephen Franks is excellent on his blog about society dumbing down, and Western IQ’s now slipping.

    http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/

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  122. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Watching THIS ‘Public Watchdog’ watchers?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11319024

    “Under-fire politician Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater appeared to have frequent contact over the entire time she served in John Key’s Cabinet, according to electronic files obtained by the hacker Rawshark.

    The Herald has seen email records which appear to cover 2009 through to 2014.

    The records and the level of detail in the records are a stark contrast to earlier claims Ms Collins and Slater made about Facebook conversations being faked.

    Ms Collins said the previously released information were “likely forgeries” and threatened a complaint to the police.
    Police have confirmed no complaint has yet been made — and Ms Collins has not responded to subsequent inquiries from the Herald.

    Requests to Slater resulted only in an obscenity. …”

    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The (FORMER) Minister of Justice Judith Collins along with her close friend Cameron Slater, have been apparently lying their teeth off regarding the ‘likely forgeries’ that have so implicated both of them.

    More evidence that this CRISIS OF CORRUPTION can only be fixed, in my opinion, by the wholesale DUMPING of this John Key led National Party / Government with it’s politically cancerous Wall Street ways.

    Crikey!

    Just as well Cameron Slater is a friend/supporter of this John Key led National Party / Government.

    Imagine the damage he could do if he were an enemy?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  123. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    Does anyone here know the dates that Cameron Slater was receiving the sickness benefit? I’m just wondering what his income from blogging was like at that time…

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  124. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    Stephie, this is true, but God does not expect people to just lie down when they are being slaughtered. It is St Augustine’s Just War Theory

    The just war doctrine of the Catholic Church – [...] lists four strict conditions for “legitimate defense by military force”:[17]

    *- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
    * all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
    * there must be serious prospects of success;
    * the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated (the power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory

    There are more discussions of verses in the Bible regarding war in my original link to the story above.

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  125. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    Distilled essence of NZ

    ….”Does anyone here know the dates that Cameron Slater was receiving the sickness benefit”…..

    Can’t remember the dates but W/O was carrying very little advertising at the time. In any case Whale’s wife is/was a teacher so any benefits he received would have been insignificant after income testing.

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  126. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Penny Dog:
    More evidence that this CRISIS OF CORRUPTION can only be fixed, in my opinion, by the wholesale DUMPING of this John Key led National Party / Government with it’s politically cancerous Wall Street ways.

    OK Penny let’s assume all allegations are true. What then? From the Herald article you linked:

    Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, based on the hacked exchanges, allege the National Party used Whaleoil to carry out “attack politics” to drive others out of the debate.

    Instances include the mocking of NZ First leader Winston Peters in February 2012, after he raised questions in Parliament about spending by the Department of Corrections.

    Mr Peters tabled a letter in Parliament shortly before 3pm — but by 3.42pm the letter was on the Whaleoil blog. That day, the hacker’s collections of records shows Ms Collins sent Slater the “document tabled by Rt Hon Winston Peters in House”.

    Slater’s commentary on the blog post — one of a number that day — made derogatory comments about Peters.

    Ms Collins also appears to have sent to Slater an email she received from Labour’s Trevor Mallard. The email had been sent accidentally by Mr Mallard using “reply all” when responding to someone who had emailed dozens of MPs.

    Ms Collins sent it on to Slater with the subject line: “Note to self Trev, don’t reply to all.” It appeared on Slater’s site with the headline: “Note to self trev, don’t hit reply to all,” poking fun at a perceived lack of technical ability.

    OMFG – Judith Collins and Cameron Slater CORRUPTLY CONSPIRED to write blog posts criticising Winston Peters, and gave Mallard a serve for doing an e mail reply-all.

    :-) TRULY a “CRISIS OF CORRUPTION” in the heart of our Government.

    :neutral: You are deranged. Get help.

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  127. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Beware the misinformation Kiwibloggers!

    It seems that the twitter account posted on Kiwiblog for the new Whaledump twitter account was FALSE:

    skyblue (207 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 11:41 am
    @WhaleDumpNZ is new Twitter account

    A clever bit of spin – the impression is that the above-mentioned twitter account is that of the now famous Whaledump, but it is not.

    Wonder which spin doctor attached to which company came up with THAT one?

    hmmm…. wonder who is ‘skyblue’???

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    For accuracy – try THIS::

    Whaledump2 @whaledump2 · 2h
    Do not trust the @WhaleDump_ @whaledumpNZ accounts. They have been set up to spread misinformation. #falseflag #dirtypolitics #whaledump
    ReplyReplied to 0 times RetweetRetweeted 47 times47 FavouriteFavourited 20 times20
    More

    Silly Cameron Slater shouldn’t have tried to close down Whaledump.

    ‘Nothing to hide – nothing to fear?”

    Seems that others have that same philosophy of giving it back – twice as hard?

    Oh dear – seems that there is just SO much to come?

    bugger.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  128. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    You still have not read that article I linked to yesterday, have you Stephie? You just got the general gist of it and then ran off through the Internet to find something to contradict it – not argue against it.

    Your “History Today” link simply re-states the “common wisdom” about the Treaty of Versaille, precisely as the article I linked to yesterday explained, but then went on to demonstrate was so much poppycock. Your article can hardly argue against that when it closes at the end of the Great Inflation. As my link went on to point out, for all the sturm und drang of that piece of central government stupidity, the German economy recovered well enough throughout the rest of the 1920’s to be vastly exceeding the production of commodities that had been achieved in 1913, supposedly the banner year for Germany before the war.

    Some failure.

    I’ll have a good read of your other article, since I have a lot of time for Walter Russell Mead (Iraq war supporter of course!!!!!), but even there I would note this from your quote:

    Keynes disagreed, arguing that the (temporary) measures required first by the Depression and then by war and reconstruction would strengthen the hold of classical liberal values in British life.

    If we accept this distillation of Keynes, then the revival of classical liberal economics since the 1970s is evidence for Keynes’ position, not Hayek’s. That is, the exceptional degree of state intervention required to win the war and establish a prosperous peace did not result in a grim slide to state socialism.

    One can have a lot of fun with straw men and reductio ad absurdum fallacies – you especially. But Hayek was not arguing that state planning and control would lead to a Stalinist society. He merely argued that the society would become steadily more fucked up, with ever greater interference from government to fix government-created problems.

    I present to you The Winter of Discontent. That was most definitely the result of forty years of a grim slide to state socialism. Short of full-blown communism you really could not get much grimmer. Just because the British people refused to take the next step and plunge into all-communism-all-the-time does not nullify Hayek’s arguments.

    Today, in a faster moving world, these nostrums get exposed a lot more quickly, which is why Tony Blair’s ideas fell from grace so rapidly and why his trumpeted successor, Gordon Brown, fared no better. I well remember the thrill all the little lefties got about Gordon. He’d be the left-winger that Tony never was – I mean look at the huge increases in the NHS budget. It had to be good!

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  129. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Beware the misinformation Kiwibloggers!”

    Thanks for the warning, I nearly read your comment.

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  130. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Nice try at political turd-polishing RRM.

    For which group of spin doctors do YOU work?

    Whoever YOU are?

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  131. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    See, this is the danger of shifting mental health services to more community based care.

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  132. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Oh ‘Wrong (again) Now’ – your comment has cut me to the quick (sob)

    NOT (yawn……)

    Care to provide any FACTS or EVIDENCE to support where in ANY of my 2,338 comments on Kiwiblog, I have ever ‘misinformed’ anyone?

    Come on – just ONE example.

    Fill your boots.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  133. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    See, this is the danger of shifting mental health services to more community based care.

    Especially when Kiwibloggers find they’re the community based care. 8O

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  134. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Keep ‘watching’ and commenting Kiwibloggers – proves you’re reading my posts and I’m obviously being effective in stirring you up and fomenting happy mischief, as it were?

    Good on you.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  135. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    The case-load seems to have increased exponentially lately too. It’s like an epidemic.

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  136. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @ Penny

    “Under-fire politician Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater appeared to have frequent contact over the entire time she served in John Key’s Cabinet, according to electronic files obtained by the hacker Rawshark.

    The Herald has seen email records which appear to cover 2009 through to 2014.

    The records and the level of detail in the records are a stark contrast to earlier claims Ms Collins and Slater made about Facebook conversations being faked.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Either you or the Herald appear to be confused.

    “The Herald has seen email records which appear to cover 2009 through to 2014.

    The records and the level of detail in the records are a stark contrast to earlier claims Ms Collins and Slater made about Facebook conversations being faked.”

    This is a nonsensical statement, the Herald viewing emails has absolutely no connection to Facebook messages.

    Slater’s claim that the Facebook messages are fake has absolutely no bearing on the authenticity of the criminally acquired emails (Which Slater has already admitted were compromised.)

    That you seek to convolute Facebook messages and emails is par for the course, that the herald seeks to convolute them is deeply disturbing.

    _______________________
    Watching the Watchdog (and now the Herald apparently)

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  137. Slipster (170 comments) says:

    Example Penny?
    Here you go: Your repeated false claim that if JK was Australin PM he wouldn’t be allowed to hold shares in Bank of America.
    I’ve debunked your claim and shown it as false. Yet, you keep repeating it.

    P.S. Penny is like a bad joke – not funny and stupid… and you keep hearing it over and over again.

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  138. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Isn’t it wonderful?

    All this Kiwiblogger concern about how I’m conducting my Helensville campaign to help take the Prime Minister’s seat off him :)

    All these unpaid Kiwiblogger campaign strategists giving me all this helpful political advice!

    Thank you so much.

    (I’ll pass it on to my highly-trained staff – me.)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

    PS: Think you’ll find I’ve been spending a lot more time in the Helensville electorate than the current MP, and you’ll all be THRILLED to know it all going swimmingly :)

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  139. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7y7qshg72akj63/Cuckoo%2031.png?dl=0

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  140. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I like the sound too nasska:

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  141. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    I’ve debunked your claim and shown it as false. Yet, you keep repeating it.

    And what have you concluded from this Slipster? Further engagement?

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  142. Shawn Herles (5,066 comments) says:

    Redcoward opines:

    “That’s right because you’re not RW at all, you’re the same old Progressive as every other confused loser who postures here as RW ”

    Right Wing can mean conservative Right or liberal Right. The Right has almost always had this division, which you would know of you had anything more than an internet education in political philosophy.

    Liberal Right does not mean progressive, which in the US context you use would mean socialist.

    You really should stop throwing around terms you don’t understand.

    Griff has been consistently liberal Right since I have been posting here.

    “And if you had any idea what a Conservative was you wouldn’t call Banks one.”

    For many, many years Banks WAS a conservative.

    “Leaving aside your pathetic kissing of the feet of those who have cooked up the biggest left wing scam the west has ever seen. (AGW)”

    The AGW debate is a debate about science. A person can be pro- or anti- AGW and be Right wing. Opposition to AGW is not a litmus test for being Right wing.

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  143. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @penny

    Care to provide any FACTS or EVIDENCE to support where in ANY of my 2,338 comments on Kiwiblog, I have ever ‘misinformed’ anyone?

    Come on – just ONE example.

    This thread at:
    8.25am (probably)
    9:14am (Rebutted by myself)
    11:59am (Rebutted by myself)
    1:57pm (Rebutted by myself)

    The vast majority of Penny’s 2338+ messages have zero information content, but in this thread today alone I’ve caught her out 3 times (4 if you count now :-)

    _______________________________

    Watching the watchdog (howling at the moon)

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  144. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Here you go ‘Slip sloppy’ – you must of missed this FACT I provided yesterday which confirms that if John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia – he would NOT be able to own shares in the Bank of America as he does now.

    Gosh you ‘watchers’ of THIS ‘Public Watchdog’ are a bit useless, it appears.

    Perhaps ‘Slip sloppy’ needs a bit more training or Kiwiblog ‘community care’?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    publicwatchdog (2,341 comments) says:
    September 3rd, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Ok Kiwiblogger SLOW LEARNERS – you start it and I’ll finish it:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/Conduct#_Toc325623491

    On 6 December 2007 the then Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, released Standards of Ministerial Ethics which replaced chapter 5 of the Howard Code. The new Standards included:

    the requirement that lobbyists register their details on a register of lobbyists before seeking access to ministers or their offices

    rules on the post-separation employment of ministers

    a ban on electoral fundraising at the Prime Minister’s official residences and

    requirements that ministers divest themselves of all shareholdings or place their shares in broad superannuation or trust funds.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    I repeat – if John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia he would not be allowed to own shares in the Bank of America, as he does now.

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20141/2e04287ad20ee5da12a308149e59bb16d7f47ce5

    Pg 30

    Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

    2 Other companies and business entities

    Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado
    Bank of America – banking

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  145. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    The music industry does itself no favours when they behave like this…

    RECORD LABELS TAKE DOWN KIM DOTCOM’S OFFICIAL ALBUM… FROM MEGA
    In what could be one of the most ironic anti-piracy mistakes this year, music industry group IFPI has asked Mega to take down Kim Dotcom’s very own music album Good Times. Mega was asked to remove its founder’s music twice, casting doubt over the accuracy of the record labels’ takedown efforts.

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  146. Slipster (170 comments) says:

    @tom hunter: I think I summarised what I conclude in the P.S.
    I still didn’t want her pathetic claim to stand unchallenged.

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  147. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    (Rebutted by myself)

    Well done alloytoo.

    Now get ready to do exactly the same rebuttals again tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day, and ……

    I still didn’t want her pathetic claim to stand unchallenged.

    I think there was a cartoon about this guy who could not go to bed “Because someone on the Internet is wrong”.

    When you see people joining in with her pathetic claims that will be the time to challenge them. Until then she’s howling at the moon and you’re competing with her.

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  148. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    Penny @ 2:43

    Another example of a nonsensical statement.

    John Key is Prime Minister of New Zealand, not Australia.

    (Not withstanding Penny is welcome to go to OZ and run for office, I won’t stand in her way)

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  149. IGM (393 comments) says:

    It is interesting to look at things in retrospect. Most of the wimps that were narks and toppers at my school now appear to be public servants, unionists, or pseudo socialists. When one peruses MSM and reads of Labour complaining about trivia and calling in the police, or one of their executives taking pics of a person using a cellphone whilst driving, and narking, it makes me realise that once scum, always scum. In my school days we put these types of losers in the showers, regardless of weather, and if they didn’t improve they were sorted out in a manly way. Oh for the gold old days.

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  150. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Gosh that’s wonderful news ‘Alleyoopoop’ – that you have read ALL of my Kiwiblog posts.

    Well done you!

    Just a small technical point that seems to have escaped you – you can ‘rebut’ my posts to the cows come home, but that does not provide EVIDENCE that I have ‘misinformed’ anyone.

    You’ll have to do a LOT better than that ‘Alleyoopoop’.

    But keep trying ……

    Kind regards and best wishes in your endeavours.

    It appears you will need them.

    Penny Bright

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  151. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    @wreck1080

    “RECORD LABELS TAKE DOWN KIM DOTCOM’S OFFICIAL ALBUM”

    They get accused all the time of being greedy but the one time they try to do humanitarian work they get slammed for it.

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  152. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    ‘Slip sloppy’ – you may think that whistle-blowing and taking ACTION to expose and prevent corruption is ‘pathetic’ – I don’t.

    As you are learning – there is rather a lot of corruption in New Zealand right now – under our ex-Wall Street banker Prime Minister John Key, who appears to have infected the highest levels of Government with his democratically cancerous Wall Street ways?

    ie: No ‘rule of law’, no regulations, no ethics and no morals, a view which in my considered opinion, a lot more DECENT New Zealanders are beginning to share?

    Hopefully the evidence of this will apparent on 20 September 2014, when this John Key led National Government is swept out in an unprecedented political landslide.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  153. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    This is a nonsensical statement, the Herald viewing emails has absolutely no connection to Facebook messages.

    It is not a nonsensical statement, if within those emails there is evidence of facebook conversations e.g. “I sent it to you via facebook”, and other such similar statements.

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  154. Slipster (170 comments) says:

    What a pity – the bad joke just won’t go away.

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  155. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    “Hopefully the evidence of this will apparent on 20 September 2014, when this John Key led National Government is swept out in an unprecedented political landslide.”

    Hell Penny, what will you do then if thats the case….Pay your outstanding rates perhaps ?

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  156. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @Penny

    I did not state I had read all of your posts. nonetheless it behooves me to point out that “Evidence” is anything which supports or contradicts an assertion.

    As I have presented “Something” which contradicts your assertions, it logically follows that your assertions are false.

    Since you admit to making those assertions, it also logically follows that you misinformed this forum.

    Consciously or unconsciously, innocently or with malice you have still misinformed this forum.

    _____________________
    Watching the watchdog (turning backward somersaults)

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  157. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @Judith

    “If” all the emails are genuine.

    You’re getting as bad as Penny with your “ifs”

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  158. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Dear Kiwibloggers
    Did you know that if John Key was President of France he would be one FOOT shorter in height. That’s a FACT. Also he would be living in a Palace. Now that’s CORRUPTION because we all know that people who live in Palaces got there by crushing the little people who were only searching for SOCIAL JUSTICE. That’s a FACT.
    We all know that he would have a mistress and who knows what dirty politics he would tell his mistress. Invest in Bank of America or buy a condo in Aspen? Thats a FACT.
    He would also be speaking in a foreign language so no one could understand him when he chats to bloggers. It’s a CONSPIRACY!
    Gosh there’s so many FACTS.
    Here’s a video of me herding delegates at the latest conference for International Conspiracy Hunters. I got a diploma and everything for TURNING UP. That’s a FACT.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TP50f3BAs0

    All meant in a loving caring way fellow kiwi bloggers
    Penny (out of my freaking mind) Bright

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  159. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Hopefully the evidence of this will apparent on 20 September 2014, when this John Key led National Government is swept out in an unprecedented political landslide.

    Mad as a meat axe.

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  160. stephieboy (3,086 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter,

    couldn’t quite follow the drift o your scramble ramble but ,

    “Walter Russell Mead (Iraq war supporter of course!!!!!), ”

    But not a supporter of the Tea Party Lies of Benghazi I would say.!!!

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  161. IGM (393 comments) says:

    Public Dog: Time you had a feed of Tux, got deflead, and licked your arse in front of a fast bus. You are a real envious, evil old bi..h.

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  162. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Can ‘we’ now get an explanation regarding politicians ‘nicknames now that they are revealed in the Herald? Clayton Cosgrove? Pluggie? Did I read that correctly? Big difference in my mind between being a plugger or a pluggie. I am sure there is a simple explanation, not that ‘we’ deserve one. lol

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  163. IGM (393 comments) says:

    Cosgrove is known in many circles as “The Village Idiot”.

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  164. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    ….” I am sure there is a simple explanation”…..

    It refers to the way his scalp looks goldenkiwi…..seemingly he has had hair transplants that were not up to standard.

    Or so goes the rumour. :)

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  165. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Oh diddums IGM you poor wee thing!

    Gosh whatever could I have written which has obviously so upset you – that has triggered you to make such nasty personal abusive attacks?

    hmmm….. I wonder what FACTS or considered opinion have triggered such a reaction?

    Perhaps the recently-formed Kiwiblogger ‘Community Care’ could assist with some form of counselling or anger management advice?

    Or else you could take a couple of concrete pills, harden up and learn to ‘handle the jandal’?

    Learn to ‘take it’ as well as ‘dish it’ – sort of thing?

    Best of luck.

    It appears you’ll need it.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  166. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehemqv2tow6la5a/Cuckoo%2011.jpg?dl=0

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  167. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Any posters from Queenstown or thereabouts got any more details on the off-duty policewoman v taxi driver incident? I mean more than the Stuff report to which I have linked to below?

    Is the taxi industry big in Queenstown with all the tourism? How many cabs and companies? Can you always get a cab? Are they expensive? Anyone have relevant background of the policewoman or the taxi driver? (I’m guessing they are both reasonable normal folk. The cab driver in the pic on the story I link to looks to be a happy sort of a bloke.) There seems to be a lot of bar scrapping in Queenstown. Is it a tough working environment for both cab drivers and police?

    Anyone got any novel ideas for a way of settling this donnybrook? (I read somewhere about an electronics company settling a row with another by having the bosses do an arm wrestling bout.)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/10451694/Policewoman-found-guilty-of-racial-abuse

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  168. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    Steer clear of Twitter today.

    Usual suspects up in arms about the suspension/removal/whatever of the Whaledump Twitter account.

    That’s political interference by the authorities, an assault on freedom of speech etc …

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  169. ross411 (841 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog (2,345 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
    Oh – that’s right – ‘Dirty Politics’ means you can condemn out of hand something you haven’t read for yourself.

    Penny, please. Reading ‘Dirty Politics’ is exactly the same as downloading the stolen nude celebrity photos. It is exactly the same ethical quandary – something was broken into and stolen, and then published. Then people justify to themselves that it is okay to violate the victim’s privacy and rights, because it suits them to do so.

    Shame on you. If you were a real public watchdog, you wouldn’t be violating someone’s privacy in the same way as all the perverts looking at Jennifer Lawrence’s norks. You are on exactly the same level.

    How can you hold yourself up as a watchdog now? I think you set different rules for yourself, then you would for others.

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  170. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Just FYI Kiwibloggers – given that apparently SO many of you now are ‘watching’ what I’m posting – consider THIS:

    When I (and fellow anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ Grace Haden) attended the recent G20 Anti-Corruption Conference in Brisbane this year, I found that many of the experts were visibly shocked when I told them that NZ’s Auditor-General Lyn Provost was a shareholder in Sky City.

    Seems that statutory Public Watchdogs having shares in gambling institutions isn’t a particularly good look?

    The Deputy Auditor-General didn’t think things had been done in a proper way when Prime Minister John Key helped set up the Sky City deal (upon which the NZ International Convention Centre Act 2013 was based) did deals over dinner and over the phone.

    Which I raised directly with John Key in my submission opposing the GCSB Bill.

    Neither is our NZ Prime Minister having shares in the Bank of America, when he is an ex-Wall Street banker, a very good look, in my considered opinion.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  171. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    Steer clear of Twitter today.

    Usual suspects up in arms about the suspension/removal/whatever of the Whaledump Twitter account.

    That’s political interference by the authorities, an assault on freedom of speech etc …

    You mean the waiting about an hour before the fellow very predictably created a new Twitter account?

    And then leaked more private communications?

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  172. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    Cuckoo..Cuckoo..Cuckoo !!

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  173. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Whatever, Penny :-)

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  174. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    You mean the waiting about an hour before the fellow very predictably created a new Twitter account?

    And then leaked more private communications?

    Yes, Sproull. I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed otherwise.

    Stolen communications ahoy. When the shoe’s on the other foot one day, which it will be, I eagerly await the reactions of Whaledump’s cheerleading squad. See how they like their hidden musings stolen, manipulated and loaded for all to see.

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  175. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Hi Ross!

    How’s the weather up there on Planet Key?

    Seriously?

    I’ve read a best-selling book which has triggered a number of investigations/ inquiries and exposed widespread and deep- seated corrupt practices emanating from the Office of the Prime Minister and I’m the one with some sort of moral quandary?

    Get real!

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  176. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    Yes, Sproull. I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed otherwise.

    Stolen communications ahoy. When the shoe’s on the other foot one day, which it will be, I eagerly await the reactions of Whaledump’s cheerleading squad. See how they like their hidden musings stolen, manipulated and loaded for all to see.

    Yes, I’ve seen some reflection on that. When Slater compared himself to the Hollywood women whose photos were recently stolen and released, plenty of people mocked him, saying that there’s a big difference between someone naked and someone intentionally trying to subvert democracy or sharing a journalist’s address in the hopes he’ll be assaulted.

    But then someone else (can’t remember who – not Slater) asked, “How do you know that’s what he’s doing until after you’ve breached his privacy?”

    Not sure I’ve seen a satisfactory answer to that one yet.

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  177. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    nasska (10,936 comments) says:

    September 4th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    Thanx.

    That was not my first thought :). lol. Or any thought for that matter, should be hairy pluggie then, surely.

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  178. Gulag1917 (919 comments) says:

    An Enduring Mystery About Bush 41’s WWII Escape from Death
    George H.W. Bush, known to family and friends as “Poppy,” celebrated his 90th birthday this year parachuting from a helicopter, one of several jumps he’s made to mark his birthdays with a nod to his career as a WWII naval aviator. He made his first jump on Sept. 2, 1944, when the plane he was flying got hit by Japanese fire over the Pacific.
    http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/09/02/an-enduring-mystery-about-bush-41s-wwii-escape-from-death/

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  179. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    So the cad (no he really is) Alain Mafart changes his name so he can start a new life under a new alias with a new profession as a wild life photographer (or is that just a cover so he can enter war torn countries) and then has the misfortune to have a photo published on a Greenpeace calander.
    It must have taken some deep investigational sleuthing to reveal the deception, the type of sleuthing that would make the Herald proud if only they ever dug that deep anymore.

    “You couldn’t make it up,” said Bunny. “And he’s got a different name now. Who thinks about what spies do in their second life?”

    In a statement posted on its website, Greenpeace USA said that during the production of its 2015 calendar, the calendar’s publisher, Workman Publishing, sourced an image from a nature photographer, Alain Mafart-Renodier.

    “It was later discovered that Mafart-Renodier is also Alain Mafart, the dirty bastard who’d have thunk?

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  180. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    I live in the Helensville Electorate.
    If Public Dog pays her RATES and Water Charges, and posts proof I will vote for her in the Helensville Electorate.
    Then there is the PARTY VOTE, there is now way in hell I would give my PARTY VOTE to any party other than NATIONAL

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  181. Richard (82 comments) says:

    More revelations about Slater’s wheeling and dealing with the government today despite Slater trying to shut the truth down by packing a sad and calling Twitter. Jaysus, if you are calling Twitter to complain then you have lost the battle long ago. Lol.

    Ministries affected today – Police, Education, and Justice.

    Where will this end? Where does the buck stop? The prime minister?

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  182. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    Where will this end? Where does the buck stop? The prime minister?

    The election on September 20th.

    Bring your gimp suit.

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  183. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    Seems like General Debate has become the Penny Bright Kiwiblog.
    Another hijacker and coat tailer, another loser using resources paid for by someone else

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  184. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    But then someone else (can’t remember who – not Slater) asked, “How do you know that’s what he’s doing until after you’ve breached his privacy?”

    Not sure I’ve seen a satisfactory answer to that one yet.

    A clearer argument for ubiquitous surveillance I’ve yet to see. If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to worry about.

    Right?

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  185. tom hunter (4,844 comments) says:

    Seems like General Debate has become the Penny Bright Kiwiblog.

    Yep. But as much as I'd like to see DPF dump her worthless, insane ass down the memory hole "we" have to take responsibility for feeding the narcissism.

    Ignore her and she'll (slowly) go away. Either that or switch to Firefox and it's RIP feature.

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  186. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull: Not sure I’ve seen a satisfactory answer to that one yet.

    Point well made, Sproull.

    What makes me laugh is the reaction to shutting down/suspending Whaledump. Although apparently (it might’ve changed now) that was only in NZ/restricted to NZ IP addresses. I’m not excusing for a second what Cam may or may not have gotten up to, it’s the flagrant gloating from the hacker and his goon squad cheering him on which continues to amaze. He may genuinely believe in what he’s doing; he’s certainly caught on to a sect of NZ’s Twitter/blogosphere who have no regard whatsoever for the law.

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  187. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Tear down this wall hasn’t gone too well for some.

    In the seventeen years between 1992 and 2009, the Russian population declined by almost seven million people, or nearly 5 percent—a rate of loss unheard of in Europe since World War II. Moreover, much of this appears to be caused by rising mortality. By the mid-1990s, the average St. Petersburg man lived for seven fewer years than he did at the end of the Communist period; in Moscow, the dip was even greater, with death coming nearly eight years sooner.

    http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/sep/02/dying-russians/

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  188. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Good song:

    Who is New Zealand politics “Jokerman”?

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  189. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock: The Sledge Pledge didn’t last long

    Forgot about that. What gold :D

    Remember back in 2012, in the good old days. Shearer said he wasn’t going to play “gotcha politics”. Aided by the infiltration of Cam’s communications (no, I am not saying Labour had anything to do with it), ‘gotcha politics’ is about the only arrow left in the quiver for our mates over the other side!

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  190. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    So on Kiwiblog – this bastion of free speech – some Kiwibloggers can’t handle General Debate with one woman (who’s never been to University).

    Seriously, when it comes to the comments, it’s basically me vs ALL of you (mainly male?) Kiwibloggers?

    How truly pathetic does that make you look?

    And some of you ‘spin doctor’ types are presumably getting paid for this?

    Unbelievable.

    Penny Bright

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  191. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Penny Quixote – you aren’t the only woman (although it’s hard to tell with pseudonyms). Waikatogirl and Northland Wahine are also on KB. There may be others, who can say?

    And you can’t deny that KB is a bastion of free speech to other popular blogs that you’ve been banned from :) I’m afraid that’s one windmill you can’t tilt against.

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  192. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “Seriously, when it comes to the comments, it’s basically me vs ALL of you”

    Now stop there lady. Don’t put me in the same category as the anonymous slime that attack you. At least you got the guts to use your real name unlike the cowardly pus stains who hide behind anonymity.

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  193. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    IGM im watching the LEECHERs on Campbell live tonight the poor bastards from Christchurch those NZs who are going through hell ,yer i know they are tossers leechers , could vote for silent T or abused the crim david garrett, BUT THEY ARE NZs, wait these leechers whine to much kiwiblpg troops,right, go ChCh and campbell live

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  194. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Point of clarification – I understand that there are other women who post in General Debate – I’m talking about those who respond in a somewhat negative way to my posts.

    You know who you are.

    I don’t – because most of you don’t put your names to your posts.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  195. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

    Tarnish you are not very bright.
    Its abuse not debate.
    The sledging of you is getting annoying like it did when they sledged phillU
    This is the second time I have engaged with you today and will be the last ever .Tom has it 100% right we are only feeding your personality disorder.
    Ignore you and the strokes you get from the attention are gone leaving you empty, lonely and hopefully posting your dribble somewhere else.

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  196. jcuk (687 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen (536 comments) says: September 4th, 2014 at 9:26 am
    I heard on the news this morning that WINZ has hired an extra 100 security officers following a spate of threats, abuse, broken windows… What horrible thing must WINZ have done to deserve such a response from its clients?

    Well for one the “Them and Us’ has been building for decades. But the real problem is the petty mindedness of the average citizen who until they fall under the control of WINZ is talking about ‘bludgers’ etc.’bene bashers’ cheering on the tightening of conditions and resulting in help not being offered but permitted. Sadly the staff at WINZ bear the brunt with the dreadful result this week when it seems that WINZ couldn’t provide accomodation for a homeless man according to one report. The result of neglect by Labour and ideological blindness by National right wingers in respect to a national need to provide a warm dry roof for every citizen.

    I came to this conclusion some fifty years ago when I was paying up to 50% of my income in rent … thanks to a benign society and a small legacy I climbed out of this situation but I feel for people today paying extortionate rentals and in insecure employment.

    There is a pre-occupation in people getting their ‘own’ home out of despiration from rents … ‘own’ being a joke as for twenty years or more they are feeding the banks repaying money largely created by the banks. If there was accomodation for everybody reaching adulthood at a reasonable rental, like State Housing, those without the energy like myself could happilly remain renters for their whole life. The problem with SH is that it is largely tailored for the ‘family’ and there was nothing but the private sector for singles. If accomodation was based on NEED at a percentage of income then there is an incentive to own your own when one needed more space or ones financial situation improved … which provides the reason for a private sector.

    But sadly I doubt if I will see even a start to a Responsible Society in the few years left to me.

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  197. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    @ Penny

    We’re not attacking you, we’re correcting you.
    (Firmly with kindness)

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  198. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    alloytoo, Don’t kid yourself.

    Your attacks on Penny and others mainly consists of ganging up, nastiness, bullying, belittling and outright childish spite.

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  199. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    ….”Your attacks on Penny and others mainly consists of ganging up, nastiness, bullying, belittling and outright childish spite.”….

    Yet on the the Len Brown/Holden thread.

    ….”David “Baby Names” Garret”…..

    The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

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  200. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    If we all gave her upticks….! Would she go away ?

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  201. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Abuse me all you like, I honestly don’t give a fuck, the more you abuse me the better. I love it. Garret is a lying hypocrite and deserves all the vitriol that is heaped upon him.

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  202. stigie (1,184 comments) says:

    Let it go Milk Me, DG has paid dearly for his mistake.

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  203. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “DG has paid dearly for his mistake.”

    Out of respect and decency has he paid compensation to the young child’s parents?

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  204. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    stigie (1,015 comments) says:
    September 4th, 2014 at 7:56 pm
    Let it go Milk Me, DG has paid dearly for his mistake.
    mistake ? trawling graveyards and filling out forms is NOT a mistake.
    its purposeful and with intent

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  205. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Penny stand up to the shit that abuse you here on KIWIBLOG,good or bad you have balls (it hurts )as a lady Keep us honest
    (posted on a caring way) J

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  206. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Lets not forget about his forgetfulness with a certain assault either.

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  207. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Sorry to be the one to break the news – but some of you dopey lot are just plain DUMB?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Seriously – I don’t know exactly how many folks read Kiwiblog – but there will be HEAPS more than those who ‘comment’.

    This may break the hearts of some of you – but I’m not posting my researched and considered opinions for the attention my posts attract from the nasties amongst you, but to help get the message out, and try and encourage some genuine debate on the issues and provide some breaking news that has yet to be covered by mainstream media.

    It’s really quite sad how few of you ‘free thinkers’ are up to it.

    Most of you, in my considered opinion, wouldn’t make the hair on a genuine Libertarian’s backside.

    Oops!

    Sorry folks – had an engineering workshop moment with accompanying engineering workshop language.

    On LOW.

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  208. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    Our resident Narcissist Penny is a retarded dog humping the leg that is kiwiblog, she gets her jollies regardless of the reception, but leaves a mess and wastes everyone’s time, excepting a couple of sickos that enjoy being used thusly :).

    The odd drive by troll is par for the course on the web, but her endless wall-of-text delusional ranting, with no substantive rational engagement in discussion is nothing more than tagging, and diminishes kiwiblog as a forum.

    Be nice to see her gone. But lacking intervention by DPF downticking all her posts to -30 ASAP without reading so that they don’t show up at least minimises the time wasted scrolling past her crap. Someone knowledgeable could probably write a script to do it automagically.

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  209. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    A man walks into a bar after a long ride on his horse. He walks up to the bar and asks the bartender for a beer. When he gets his beer, he starts eyeing this beautiful lady in the corner.

    Just as he turns back, a monkey runs up to the beer, dunks his balls in the beer, and runs off.

    Agitated, the man says to the bartender “I can’t drink this now! Give me another beer!” So, the bartender brings him another beer. Before the man could do anything about it, the monkey ran back over, dunked his balls in the beer and ran off before the man could grab him.

    Even angrier, the man says “I can’t drink this now. Bring me another beer!” He gets another beer and guards it with his life. The monkey sneaks up behind him, knocks the stool out from underneath the man, hops up onto the bar and dunks his balls in the beer.

    Now the man is thoroughly pissed. He grabs the bartender and says “Man, I’ve had it. Whose stupid monkey is this anyway?” The bartender replied “It belongs to the piano player”.

    The man walks over to the piano player and says “Excuse me, do you know your monkey is dunking his balls in my beer?”

    To this the piano player replies “No, I sure don’t, but if you hum a few notes, I’ll do my best”.

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  210. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    Penny’s in Dotcoms back pocket like the rest of them. Have a look at her Facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/MrKimDotcom/posts/849342465078447

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  211. Griff (7,717 comments) says:

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  212. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    The man himself.

    http://selvedgeyard.com/2010/01/08/the-piano-has-been-drinking-tom-waits-your-inner-drnkard/

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  213. freemark (580 comments) says:

    So, according to the Leftie fuckwits here borrowing the name of long dead child, being repentant & paying a severe price is not enough punishment..
    yet their ideology excuses the constant murder of living kids, supports the unwanted breeding for cash types who swear & laugh from the dock and blames it on nasty right wingers.
    What a twisted society Socialists would have us accept as morally superior…

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  214. big bruv (13,899 comments) says:

    “Abuse me all you like,”

    We don’t need your invitation thanks Milk Me.

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  215. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Dear Penny
    Like most of your somewhat juvenile political indoctrination/persuasion, you are unable to “debate” at all. You dump & run, and much like the MSM’s favourite dumper it turns out to be a felched dribbly dysentery of little consequence to anyone bar the squirter of shit.
    If you actually tried to engage & defend any of your ridiculous & unhinged accusations you may get some of the respect you obviously crave.
    Meant in the most direct fucking way I could think of…

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  216. freemark (580 comments) says:

    “Abuse me all you like,”
    Quite enough self abuse going on…
    Auto fellatio springs to mind when I picture old Milky…

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  217. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    It is a constant right wing mutual wanking session here.

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  218. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Milk Me (117 comments) says:

    September 4th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    What did you expect? Left wing circle jerk? lol

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  219. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Time for the Government to scrap Road User Charges on diesel vehicles – for the sake of the environment. Diesel is far more efficient than petrol, and yet costs more to use. Case in point, the Nissan Qashqai:

    The RUC is now $58 per 1000 kilometres. Add that to the fuel cost of the Qashqai TS turbodiesel’s official consumption of 4.9 litres per 100km, and it means this Nissan costs $13.05 in fuel and tax to travel every 100km. That’s a lot higher than the $10.37 in 91 octane fuel costs it takes to drive every 100km in a petrol-engined Qashqai ST-L that is specified to the same level, and which consumes fuel at a rate of 6.9L/100km

    So a car that uses 30% less fuel costs 30% more to run. Brain dead government policy.

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  220. jcuk (687 comments) says:

    Milk Me (120 comments) says: September 4th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
    and
    goldnkiwi (1,193 comments) says: September 4th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    We could hope for sensible and rational debate which doesn’t repetatively use the same old and tired slogans which just wash off those of alternative opinion to no effect except maybe get a negative tick. At least here on KB we can express our approval or disgust with a plus or negative tick.

    edit … except as now they seem to have been switched off ??????????????

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  221. Fight Communism (33 comments) says:

    Maos Cloak

    or
    Adolph Hitlers
    Underwear

    or
    Joseph Stalins
    Jock Strap

    What is the difference?
    Nothing

    JOHN KEY

    venerating them all

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbmao/870292564-maori-cloak-given-to-chairman-mao–returned-to-nz-govt

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