React to the minor party leaders as they debate tonight

September 5th, 2014 at 4:12 pm by David Farrar

Tonight on TV One at 7 pm, eight minor party leaders are in a debate moderated by Mike Hosking. You can use the buzzdial embedded above to react to what leaders are saying. Tomorrow they’ll publish the data on which leaders and moments got the most positive and negative reaction.

Of course you can also comment below.

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75 Responses to “React to the minor party leaders as they debate tonight”

  1. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Wow – not the right place to post this but check it out:

    The IRD have advised Duncan Garner in writing that the Labour party have had “no”, I repeat NO discussions with IRD about capital gains tax.
    Garner said Cunliffe lied and even played the lie back. Yippee!!

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  2. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    Because what we really need is more politics driven by sound-bites and populism that this sort of thing promotes.

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  3. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    I’ve got a date with my wife, a series of Dr Who episodes, and a bottle of pinot noir, so no thanks :)

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  4. Redbaiter (8,882 comments) says:

    Hoskings- in the small chance that you might read this, please stop communists Laila Harre and the unbelievably smug Metiria Turei from monopolising the debate. You’re not a moderator’s AH really but please at least try.

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  5. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Reaction meters and self selecting and online and text polls are a very unreliable measure of opinion on debates.

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  6. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    I’ve got a date with my wife, a series of Dr Who episodes, and a bottle of pinot noir, so no thanks

    Isn’t it fucking awesome to be married to a woman where that’s a sentence you can say?

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  7. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    As per flash2846 here’s the intervioew, the IRD part is near the end:
    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/David-Cunliffe-whats-actually-happening-with-the-Capital-Gains-Tax/tabid/506/articleID/53902/Default.aspx

    Cunliffe sounded uncertain and he also made a mistake – when first asked if he had contacted IRD he said as party leader he didn’t get “down and dirty” doing actual contact himself – but the policy was put together long before he was leader, it was while he was involved in developing the policy as.

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  8. Monty (978 comments) says:

    Well when the left are talking it will be on disagree especially when Winnie and the Aussie commie are yakking away

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  9. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    Well when the left are talking it will be on disagree especially when Winnie and the Aussie commie are yakking away

    Well, when you’re really disagreeing, tap faster. The faster the tapping, the louder your agreement/disagreement. (It’s capped, of course, so there’s a limit on how much any one person can influence the dial up or down.)

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  10. Richard (859 comments) says:

    Dear god no. Its the return of the Worm but in a new vile form which can be easily manipulated by whatever party can organise enough of their volunteers (or in the case of Internet/Mana pay people) in front of a screen to favour their leader. No thanks.

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  11. EAD (1,086 comments) says:

    Good luck tonight Colin & Jamie,

    I’m expecting another hatchet job and a stacked worm audience to send the lefties worm through the roof, but stick to your guns and the people will listen. Never before in our history have we needed some sane, rational voices in our Parliament like what we do now.

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  12. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    I think any tapping will be interfered with by my gag reflex.

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  13. Griff (7,715 comments) says:

    hatchet job or reality
    We really dont need someone who questions the reality of moon landings and supports herbalist nonsense
    Colon crazy Craig for insistence any where near the halls of government.

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  14. daniel carter (34 comments) says:

    Hoskings- in the small chance that you might read this, please stop yourself from expressing your own jaundiced views of NZ. YOU ARE AN IMPARTIAL MODERATOR. Not a rich dude trying to maintain the status quo for your own sake. OK?

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  15. daniel carter (34 comments) says:

    I am an impartial moderator… I am an impartial moderator… I am an impartial moderator… I am an impartial moderator… say it 20 times in each ad break I am an impartial immoderator… I am an imp arshall operator… I am a nymphacial mockerator… etc

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  16. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Funny how so many people worry about Hosking’s bias, but seemingly not that of the TV3 leaders debate moderator, John Campbell.

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  17. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    I think any tapping will be interfered with by my gag reflex.

    Making the dial voice-activated by sounds of gagging… I’ll make a note of that…

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  18. daniel carter (34 comments) says:

    adze there is no comparison, have you ever listened to Hoskings vent forth on Newstalk ZB? Campbell has NEVER uttered that amount of opinion in a single news programme

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  19. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    @ryan – Dr Who was her choice too :)

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  20. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    @daniel carter
    I haven’t listened to Hosking on ZB, I have only compared their respective performances on TV. Campbell is undeniably biased toward the left, and makes little secret of it.
    At any rate, I doubt there is a noticeable difference in their professionalism when it comes to moderating a debate.

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  21. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Hehe the Buzzdial. What will it really be measuring? IMO it will be measuring which party has the most pathetic supporters with nothing better to do on a Friday night than try and make it look like their politics are relevant.

    I’ll be at the pub.

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  22. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    How low a vote does Labour need before they are considered a “Minor” Party?

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  23. Yoza (1,873 comments) says:

    EAD (859 comments) says:
    September 5th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Good luck tonight Colin & Jamie

    Those two did struggle to make an impression in the last minor party leaders’ debate. Turei, Peters and Harre are the dominant personalities there, with Flavell and Dunne coming in fourth equal.

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  24. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    @ryan – Dr Who was her choice too

    We’re very lucky. My lady got big into Sherlock and Supernatural too.

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  25. Redbaiter (8,882 comments) says:

    “Funny how so many people worry about Hosking’s bias, but seemingly not that of the TV3 leaders debate moderator, John Campbell.”

    Left wingers are so FITH they think Campbell’s extreme left ranting is perfectly normal.

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  26. waikatogirl (423 comments) says:

    Cool David, I know 2 of us will be using your cool gizmo buzz dial tonight. Hoping for excellent results tomorrow.

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  27. Redbaiter (8,882 comments) says:

    “Those two did struggle to make an impression in the last minor party leaders’ debate.”

    Gawd you commies are so FOS.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/

    Check the poll bottom right.

    Craig 64%

    All the rest shared the remaining 36% between them.

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  28. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    Winnie is really worried about Colin.
    Not getting his way and spitting the dummy.

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  29. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    True.

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  30. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Colin is doing very well.

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  31. Yoza (1,873 comments) says:

    I started watching at about 7:05 and it took a little while to figure out who was standing on the end next to Hone.

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  32. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    Colin hasn’t really been asked anything yet. I think it is his turn after the break.

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  33. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    Hoskings, no control ,getting side tracked, seems to want to make his own points, which is not what this is about. Worse than useless,can’t TVNZ do better than him? Nope. TVNZ another waste of taxpayers’ money.

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  34. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    Hoskings “all I know about referenda in this country is they’re whacky subjects”

    Idiot.

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  35. holysheet (389 comments) says:

    Hone looks bored, when can I get out of here?

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  36. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    What the fuck is Brendan Horan doing on the stage?

    I almost feel embarrassed for the man, he is totally irrelevant.

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  37. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    Hone just served Hosking his arse on a plate.Well done Hone ,putting smarmarse Hosking in his place with his constant flippancy.

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  38. holysheet (389 comments) says:

    Winston is dying for a drink and I don’t mean water.

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  39. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    Oh fuck off Peter Dunne.

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  40. ross411 (838 comments) says:

    kowtow (8,001 comments) says:
    September 5th, 2014 at 7:45 pm
    Hone just served Hosking his arse on a plate.Well done Hone ,putting smarmarse Hosking in his place with his constant flippancy.

    Relax, all the anger will fester into a cancer.

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  41. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    I can’t control my finger when Dunne starts talking.
    It gets stuck on the mute button.

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  42. waikatogirl (423 comments) says:

    Not very in deep is it.

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  43. Redbaiter (8,882 comments) says:

    Dunne said his favourite politician was Barack Hussein Obama.

    FFS..!!

    Write off.

    End of story.

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  44. Yoza (1,873 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne, “We didn’t enter parliament to be spectacular!”

    could have been Peters, “Well you’ve achieved that!”

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  45. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    Yoza

    It was Colon Craig who made that comment.

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  46. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    waikatogirl

    You might want to try and edit your 8.12 comment. :)

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  47. waikatogirl (423 comments) says:

    Brendan Horan looks desperate. Guess he would be, out of a job in 2 weeks!
    Last post I meant not much depth to it!

    I don’t know about your buzz gizmo David, will be interesting to see results. Must

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  48. Yoza (1,873 comments) says:

    big bruv (13,584 comments) says:
    September 5th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Yoza

    It was Colon Craig who made that comment.

    Great timing

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  49. V (720 comments) says:

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  50. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Craig made the least impression.

    His only strongly made point was in favour of referenda and as 2 people a week were being investigated for child hitting this was important.

    About as relevant as Horan and electorate representation when he has never won an electorate contest.

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  51. deadrightkev (469 comments) says:

    “Winnie is really worried about Colin.
    Not getting his way and spitting the dummy.”

    Colin is hitting his straps and peaking at the right time. He is still learning to be a polished politician but the great news is he is succeeding, honest and very strong mentally. He knows he is representing his party members.

    Peters is looking fuddled, way past his used by date and desperate.

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  52. Tauhei Notts (1,713 comments) says:

    I think it was about 2002. The coiffeured Ohariu prick wowed them on that worm that they had on Tv. He ended up creating employment for about seven tossers, as parliamentarians.
    Colin Craig might be on the same run.
    An interesting election.

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  53. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    My daughter had to watch the debate for her Media Studies class and her main observations are:
    – they all talk over the top of one another.
    – There’s one guy who looks exactly like the evil parrot Nigel from the movie Rio

    I’ll leave you all to guess who the politician might be. I’d never seen the similarity before but I pissed myself laughing when she pointed this out.

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  54. the conservative (66 comments) says:

    What a farcical debate; Hosking was absolutely useless—what a pinhead; he didn’t manage time, especially across different leaders; he allowed Norman and Winston to suck airtime. And then he wasted time on stupid stuff like MMP; since when has MMP been an election issue this time around? And then of course he had waste time on child stuff like ‘what are your three favourite movies?’ What the f…?

    Are we ever going to get to a mature, adult debate in this country?

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  55. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Well I guess it was Hone’s turn to show up. Actually agree re the medical marijuana but it does anecdotally tend to leak into the wider community, in America at any rate, if the thc one. By my reckoning there are two types of medical marijuana. One with thc and one without appreciable amounts. I think it should be defined what type Internet/Mana are proposing. The type for epileptic seizures does not contain thc but people already used to growing dope as a cash crop already have training. Hemp as a crop is very versatile.

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  56. JC (956 comments) says:

    I was most impressed with the “dial”. As each speaker spoke I madly pressed the red green U shaped thingy and was rewarded with all my prejudices being affirmed by thousands of others..

    Then I noticed the buttons underneath that said “Agree Disagree”.

    JC

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  57. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    So here is my verdict after watching all of the debate, going left to right as they stood.

    1) Brendan – complete and utter waste of space. You’d get more use out of a 1973 bus timetable.
    2) Hone – Looked sad and distracted. Intelligent and committed, was at his best when talking about “child poverty” which he clearly believes in. As much as we all dislike him, there is a definite intelligence there. But has sold out, and knows it.
    3) Winston – silly clown. Times up, mate.
    4) Russel – seemed to signal a willingness to work with National. Knows the game is up and that Labour/Greens is coalition is a fantasy. Very smart and intelligent, but equally just as smary. Unlikeable, yes, but a smart operator.
    5) Te Ururoa -came across well in my view. Would get my party vote after National.
    6) Peter – needs to get laid, or get a new hairdresser. Sensible if nothing else.
    7) Jamie – may be clever at some things, but politics isn’t one of them.
    8) Colin – I’d smack him but not in a way he clearly likes.

    Most impressive: Russel, then Te Ururoa

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  58. ManuT (51 comments) says:

    @ tom hunter – It’s Peter Dunne. Please tell your daughter she made my night; best laugh this week :)

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  59. Richard (859 comments) says:

    I watched the first 5 minutes and last 5 minutes and was left with one question- why was David Cunliffe excluded?! It was the MINOR party leaders debate!

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  60. the conservative (66 comments) says:

    “Dunne said his favourite politician was Barack Hussein Obama.”

    That says it all, Redbaiter

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  61. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    With a bit of effort I can feel the sorrow of the Religio/conservatives. Every time their boy is about to make an appearance their rhetoric increases & they convince themselves that victory is at hand. Colin will be the new Messiah!

    Then after the event, like tonight, they realise that they are riding a turkey & the reality that Progs will reign descends upon their shoulders.

    :) Losers! :)

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  62. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    And Helen Clark said Dunne or did I hear wrong? Should be a big black mark for him lol

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  63. Lindsay Addie (1,514 comments) says:

    Saw a couple of minutes of the minor party leaders debate but changed to watching Yes Minister instead. Too many bloody nutcases crammed together onto one stage for me to be bothered with. ;)

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  64. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Colin Craig lookalike reaches out to a wider support base! :)

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  65. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    5 or 6% within reach! :)

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  66. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    Hosking asked Norman FOUR times what his “clean rivers” would cost. He hadn’t a clue. “fully costed”? -pfft

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  67. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    Does this meter thing give any final results? Or is it just to see how people are reacting at any given point via the arrow?

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  68. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    Hosking gave no time to Whyte or Craig. He let Brendan bloody Horan hog the stage for an eternity. Every time Peters interrupted, Hosking just *had*’to hear what he had to say. This was an absolute joke and an embarrassment to TV election debates in hit his country. I feel very sorry for Act and the Conservatives who battle for media time, and when they get it, Hosking just behaves like a 10 yr old boy with his first skateboard. If he wants to stand for parliament then nothing is stopping him. He is the biggest windbag around. I never thought I’d say this, but John Campbell was streets better the other night. This election has been unusual, but tonight it descended into farce.

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  69. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Winston wore a blue and red striped tie, Jamie Whyte wore a blue and white, and Colin Craig wore two tone blue!!! I shall take that as signs.

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  70. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    @tom hunter Me too. I spotted the resemblance at once.

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  71. Fritz (3 comments) says:

    Dunne easily won the hair vote tonight.

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  72. Changeiscoming (189 comments) says:

    Cricky – What is going on I gave NK an uptick.

    Agree if you are going to have a debate with that many people you have to have strict rules around speaking time. TV3 debate the other night was better.

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  73. G152 (341 comments) says:

    You all realise that that is time we’ll never get back.
    Totally wasted on wannabes and never weres

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  74. Unity (584 comments) says:

    I was very disappointed and felt Norman and Peters had far too much air time – and also Dunne. I wanted to hear more from Colin Craig and felt he was excluded for far too long. The brief moments he did have, he used well but he wasn’t even allowed to finish saying what his policies were. I couldn’t understand why Brendan Horan was even there and even felt sorry for him when Hosking gave him a hard time, several times. No, it was handled very unevenly and a great disappointment. Colin Craig isn’t experienced, and it shows, but he is certainly no pushover either and I felt he got the few points he was allowed to get across, very well. He stood up to bullyboy Winston and is growing into the job. Party vote for the Conservatives. We are going to need them seeing Key looks as though he is going to get in.

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  75. deadrightkev (469 comments) says:

    “Cricky – What is going on I gave NK an uptick.”

    He is coming around to realise its about the right getting on top of National, not only about tribal voting.

    Its unlikely that Jamie Whyte will get into parliament, which is a shame, because he is sorely needed in there. But there is a very real chance that the Conservatives will get over the line and hold the Nats to account on their rampant progressivism, which at the end of the day is what Act is there for too.

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