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Johnboy

Hang on a minute….. I’m the second most prolific diarrhea person???

You’re an even bigger cnut Nostradamus! 🙂
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December 31, 2014 5:13pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

You’re an even bigger cnut Nostradamus!

Double ouch! Ok, I’m going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that you didn’t get a Christmas card from Penny either!
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December 31, 2014 5:14pm
mikenmild

I still reckon I’ll be the silver medallist by the end of this evening, Johnboy.
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December 31, 2014 5:14pm
Johnboy

I thought that she might pop down and take me to heaven in her 270kw shitter Nostra but no show! 🙂
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December 31, 2014 5:15pm
Reid

An excellent but quite long article on issues with the US perception of their military:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/
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December 31, 2014 5:16pm
Johnboy

The good old boys ripped out the $120,000 cop camera at the top of the hill (as I predicted) so Judith could give it death until she hit the bottom revenue collector. 🙂
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December 31, 2014 5:19pm
Johnboy

Funny how it was widely reported that the pigs had put them in but nil reports on the one that’s gone?
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December 31, 2014 5:21pm
Johnboy

Trying to justify the budget I guess. Only report good news! 🙂
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December 31, 2014 5:22pm
mikenmild

Thanks Reid. That link I will read.
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December 31, 2014 5:24pm
nasska

….”The good old boys ripped out the $120,000 cop camera at the top of the hill “….

Didn’t develop a few holes did it JB?
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December 31, 2014 5:26pm
stephieboy

I also will read the Atlantic article which at least in part appears to suggest that there are limits to US power and yes ,they do not have to or need to make the world “safe for democracy .”

It’s important that especially the GOP and their minions here try to understand this with their military grand designs budget as sacrosanct.
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December 31, 2014 5:39pm
Psycho Milt

a woman decides to kill her partner by putting poison on her ladies garden then asking him for oral sex, which he proceeds to do. But then something unexpected happens…

From the linked article:

“This guy! He is totally down to perform oral sex 24/7 and will generously rush you to the emergency room after you try to kill him. And they say chivalry is dead!”

Yes – you have to wonder why she was trying to kill him. If I had the female equivalent there’d be no poisoning of any body parts whatsoever going on.
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December 31, 2014 5:46pm
stephieboy

A sad way for the year to end for the relatives and families of those on board SQ 8501,

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/30/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/

RIP flight crews and passengers .

At least they will not have to be subjected to the at times highly bizarre and intrusive speculation about MH 370 and M 17 by our rent a conspiracy mob.

Or will they.
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December 31, 2014 6:08pm
Johnboy

No Polonium 210 on your pole PM? 🙂
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December 31, 2014 6:15pm
Reid

At least they will not have to be subjected to the at times highly bizarre and intrusive speculation about MH 370 and M 17 by our rent a conspiracy mob.

What’s “bizarre and speculative” about the reported fact the AsiaAir CEO sold a million shares in the company that insures the AsiaAir PAX only days before the incident stupidboy?

Seriously. Why is that “bizarre and speculative?”

Bizarre, in your own mind?

A bit like the shorts on the airlines involved in 911? Which still haven’t been solved? (Actually they have, but you wouldn’t even know they happened so far be it from me to explain the inner workings of something you’re probably not even aware of, lest you hallucinate something else “bizarre” is afoot…)

Or are you just busily happily bleating and baaing in the green green meadows, along with the rest of the “hear no evil, see no evil” sheeple? Is that why, to you, such reports are “bizarre?”

Here’s a thought stephie jnr. If ya don’t have the first clue about the field you’re discussing, normally it’s best not to even burst forth on your keyboard.
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December 31, 2014 6:29pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

Just a quick note to say thanks for sharing The Atlantic article – a very interesting read.
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December 31, 2014 6:38pm
Reid

If anyone doesn’t have time to read the full article in my 5.16 then if you’re interested in geopolitics you really should, but if you can’t, this is the conclusion. The working group referred to is something the author of the article was on:

What might that mean, in specific? Here is a start. In the private report prepared for President Obama more than three years ago, Gary Hart’s working group laid out prescriptions on a range of operational practices, from the need for smaller, more agile combat units to a shift in the national command structure to a different approach toward preventing nuclear proliferation. Three of the recommendations were about the way the country as a whole should engage with its armed forces. They were:

Appoint a commission to assess the long wars. This commission should undertake a dispassionate effort to learn lessons from Afghanistan and Iraq concerning the nature of irregular, unconventional conflict, command structures, intelligence effectiveness, indigenous cultural factors, training of local forces, and effective combat unit performance. Such a commission will greatly enhance our ability to know when, where, how, and whether to launch future interventions.

Clarify the decision-making process for use of force. Such critical decisions, currently ad hoc, should instead be made in a systematic way by the appropriate authority or authorities based on the most dependable and persuasive information available and an understanding of our national interests based on 21st-century realities.

Restore the civil-military relationship. The President, in his capacity as commander-in-chief, must explain the role of the soldier to the citizen and the citizen to the soldier. The traditional civil-military relationship is frayed and ill-defined. Our military and defense structures are increasingly remote from the society they protect, and each must be brought back into harmony with the other.

Barack Obama, busy on other fronts, had no time for this. The rest of us should make time, if we hope to choose our wars more wisely, and win them.
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December 31, 2014 6:45pm
mikenmild

‘The President, in his capacity as commander-in-chief, must explain the role of the soldier to the citizen and the citizen to the soldier’
I’m not sure that any president since Eisenhower would have had the ability to do this.
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December 31, 2014 7:00pm
Reid

I’m not sure that any president since Eisenhower would have had the ability to do this.

Yes he addresses that in the article mm. I thought you said you were going to read it?
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December 31, 2014 7:02pm
Johnboy

Eisenhower never fired a shot in anger milkey. He was a paper General.

Teddy Roosevelt was probably the last real warlike leader the Yanks ever had! 🙂
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December 31, 2014 7:11pm
stephieboy

Reid, staggeringly ignorant and sweeping assertions of yours re SQ 8051 and Air Asia’s CEO Tony Fernandez .Are you sure sting that his company’s trading in shares are some how linked to its disappearance.

The factual and evidential basis for this incredible assertion of your’s that he ac,tally had a personal hand in it by a pretty common and ordinary event re share trading with a successful company.

9/11 never solved ? Well just give us the whistle blowers for the controlled demolition of WTC 1 , 2 and7 including the present whereabouts of the missing passenger and crews of Flights, 11.175, 77 and 93 ?

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And your qualifications and expertise on 9/11 and related conspiracy theories ?
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December 31, 2014 7:31pm
mikenmild

Sorry Reid, I’m only a few pages in. I liked this quote though:
‘Outsiders treat it both too reverently and too cavalierly, as if regarding its members as heroes makes up for committing them to unending, unwinnable missions and denying them anything like the political mindshare we give to other major public undertakings, from medical care to public education to environmental rules’
From my experience, I would argue that this is exactly how the New Zealand military is treated, too.
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December 31, 2014 7:32pm
publicwatchdog

Fascinating that the ‘Local Government Commission – Draft Proposal for Reorganisation of Local Government in Wellington
Volume 1 Public report: Summary Document December 2014′, states: (page 9)

“The current system of local government

2.11 Together the councils of Wellington Region have:

* financial assets valued at $563 million (30 June 2013)

* investment in physical assets valued at $12.8 billion (30 June 2013)

* debt totalling $785 million (30 June 2013)

* forecast debt totalling $1,336 million (by 30 June 2022)

* eight mayors, ninety-six councillors (including the regional council chair), and 57 community board members

* full-time equivalent staff totalling 3,256 (April 2014)

* 321 plans currently produced under the Resource Management Act 1991, Local Government Act 2002, Land
Transport Management Act and Reserves Act.

2.12 Together the councils of Wellington Region pay:

* elected member remuneration (including mayors/chair) of $5.3 million per annum (2012/13)

* chief executive officer remuneration of $2.6 million per annum (2012/13)

* audit fees for the audit of the 2012 – 13 annual reports of $1.36 million

* audit fees for the audit of the 2012 – 22 long-term plans of $0.863 million

…………”

However – no mention whatsoever, about the costs of Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) in the Wellington region, how much for their Boards, CEOs, Executive Staff, non-executive staff etc?

No mention whatsoever about the number of services throughout the Wellington region, which are contracted-out to the private sector, and how much citizens and ratepayers’ public monies are spent on ‘contract management’, and if (as in Auckland, such ‘contract management’ is mainly carried out by private sector consultants?

Having now read the following key documents which pertain to this Wellington ‘Supercity’ proposal:

1) ‘Wellington Region Local Government Review Panel’ October 2012

(Rt Hon. Sir Geoffrey Palmer SC (Chair), Sue Driver, Sir Wira Gardiner, Bryan Jackon

2) ‘Realising the potential of the Wellington region Conclusions of the joint Working Party on Local Government Reform 8/3/2013

3) ‘Application for Local Government Reorganisation Proposal for a Unitary Authority with Local Boards for the Wellington Region’

4) ‘Local Government Commission – Draft Proposal for Reorganisation of Local Government in Wellington
Volume 1 Public Report: Summary document December 2014’

I’m unhappy to report that I have seen NO attempt – in any of the above-mentioned reports – to provide any current factual analysis of the unfortunate Auckland Council enforced amalgamation, before attempting to spread what in my considered opinion has been an absolute disaster on the majority of citizens and ratepayers in the Auckland region.

There has also been NO attempt in any of the above-mentioned reports to take any form of ‘snap shot’ of current services provided across the Wellington region, in order to create some form of factual DATUM upon which a genuine ‘cost-benefit analysis can be based.

This is the format which I suggested, and for which I provided a template for the Royal Commissioners to use, in order to carry out such an exercise in Auckland.

STEP ONE:

A) List down the page, ALL possible Council services which are provided across the Wellington region, alphabetically, and give each Council service its own unique number.

B) List across the page the abbreviations for each Council in the Wellington region:

WRC (Wellington Regional Council), WCC (Wellington City Council), PCC ( Porirua City Council), KDC (Kapiti District Council),
HCC (Hutt City Council), UHCC (Upper Hutt City Council), SWDC (South Wairarapa District Council), CDC (Carterton District Council), MDC (Masterton District Council)

Then, fill in the following information, for each service in each Council area, the following:

N/A (Not applicable) – if the Council doesn’t provide that particular service.

I/H ‘In-House’ – if the Council directly provides that service.

CCO ‘Council-Controlled-Organisation’ – if that’s how the Council provides that service

C/Out ‘Contracted Out’ – if this Council service is provided by the private sector

That would act as a ‘MASTER INDEX’ – which would show at a glance – the overall FACTUAL picture of services currently provided by Councils in the Wellington region.

STEP TWO

For each individual, uniquely numbered Council service, then provide the following information:

List down the page each Council

WRC
WCC
PCC
KDC
HCC
UHCC
SWDC
CDC
MDC

Then across the page list the key information you want for each Council service.

eg Dog Control N/A , I/H, CCO, C/Out

Cost – for the last rating year 2013-2014

Scope – a brief description of the work covered by ‘Dog Control’ in that Council area (if they cover that work)

Number of staff employed

Number of contractors employed

Vehicles

Offices

Pounds

(sort of thing)

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Any thinking Kiwibloggers got any feedback on how YOU would establish such ‘devilish details’ in order to help build a FACTUAL DATUM for ‘cost-effectiveness’ / ‘cost-efficiencies’?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

‘Seeking TRUTH for FACTS’ – as it were 🙂
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December 31, 2014 7:37pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xfjq7fuj40y9jv7/Cuckoo%2021%208%2014.jpg?dl=0
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December 31, 2014 7:43pm
mikenmild

Just stay in Auckland Penny and let the adults in Wellington sort this one out for themselves.
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December 31, 2014 7:46pm
Steve (North Shore)

You sent her back to Auckland mikenmild? Fuck, I thought she was going to stand for Mayor of Wellington seeing as your current one is as much use as a one legged man at an arse kicking contest. Penny would win, just like she was going to win against JOHN KEY in the Helensville Electorate.
Missed your chance there boy, what a loss for Wellington, and they say lefties stick together. You abandoned Penny in her hour/day/year/decade of need
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December 31, 2014 8:02pm
ngatimozart

Well I see an idiot Kiwi ISIS jihadist who likes to post on Facebook forgot to turn off the GPS function on his cell phone. So each time he used his phone he just let everybody know where he was. Shame he didn’t have a meeting with a hellfire missile.
Kiwi jihadist mistakenly broadcasts his location. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11380705
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December 31, 2014 8:20pm
Odakyu-sen

You can learn a lot about animal behavior through catch-and-release programs. Leave the idiot Kiwi ISIS jihadist alone and see what his patterns are. Could be some good intel for the gathering.
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December 31, 2014 8:25pm
publicwatchdog

What are YOU actually DOING to help stop the proposed Wellington ‘Supercity’ Mikenmild?

Seriously?

I predict it won’t take you long to reply to this question?

(Meant of course in a caring way – given that it’s New Year’s Eve and all 🙂

Kind regards

Penny
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December 31, 2014 8:46pm
waikatogirl

Happy New Year everyone. May your 2015 bring you everything you wish for. 🙂
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December 31, 2014 8:53pm
ngatimozart

Johnboy (17,118 comments) says:
December 31st, 2014 at 7:11 pm
Eisenhower never fired a shot in anger milkey. He was a paper General.

Teddy Roosevelt was probably the last real warlike leader the Yanks ever had! 🙂

Harry S Truman served on the Western Front in World War 1 in the Artillery.

JF Kennedy fought in the Pacific as a US Navy officer on Motor Torpedo Boats having his boat PT109 sunk by a Japanese destroyer in the Solomon Islands when it rammed Kennedy’s boat cutting in half.

LB Johnson (USNR Officer) was awarded a Silver Star by MacArthur whilst he was in the Pacific during World War 2 on a mission for Roosevelt being FDRs eyes and ears in the Pacific. Apparently LBJ went on a bombing mission and the aircraft reportedly came under attack from Japanese fighters. There is dispute over whether his aircraft was attacked or not because the aircraft turned back due to mechanical problems and this is claimed to be backed up by flight records.

Gerald Ford served in the Pacific during World War 2 as an officer on a carrier participating in many battles.

George Bush Snr saw active service as a carrier pilot in the Pacific during World War 2.

Hence Johnboy you are somewhat incorrect. Eisenhower may never have had seen combat prior to World War 2, but he was most definitely the right man for the job as SAC SHAEF and leading the western allied invasion and subsequent liberation of Western Europe. Strategic military leadership’s all about politics and logistics.
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December 31, 2014 8:53pm
Steve (North Shore)

But right now it is New Year Eve. Johnnie is finished, Jim is looking at me sideways, but best of all JACK is in Town
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December 31, 2014 9:11pm
Steve (North Shore)

Penny stop bullshiting, you scarpered out of Wellington because they drink coffee and you don’t. You got involved with the real troughers. The only reason you came back to Auckland is to suck on the cock of the Auckland City Council.
Your land and your house will be gone soon, your child psychology does not work holding Len’s hand, At the end of the day you will ask for a Council Flat to live in.
The end is nigh.
Forgot:
Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986.
I got trolleyed so bad
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December 31, 2014 9:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

The wonderful wit of Warren Buffett

Warren Buffett & Bill Gates talk with Washington State University students 1998 …. In case you had not seen it …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldPh0_zEykU
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December 31, 2014 9:40pm
Steve (North Shore)

Sad News

With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at this

moment, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important

person, which almost went unnoticed last week.

Larry LaPrise, the man that wrote “The Hokey Pokey” died

peacefully at the age of 93. The most traumatic part for his family

was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in. And then

the trouble started.

Shut up. You know it’s funny.
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December 31, 2014 9:42pm
wiseowl

The New Year is nigh and I look forward to inspiring and intelligent discussions on KB along with new commentors , stimulating discussion ,honesty, integrity and a challenging political debate.
I know, I am dreaming.

Heres to 2015. Hic.
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December 31, 2014 10:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

Published on Oct 3, 2014

Philanthropist and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates joined Cornell President David Skorton for a student-centered discussion Oct. 1, 2014 in Bailey Hall. Topics included higher ed access and affordability, student entrepreneurship, and technology and education.

A Conversation with Bill Gates … Higher Education … Cornell University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ppJRXDXq0
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December 31, 2014 10:18pm
Steve (North Shore)

No dreaming wiseowl, just keep those dreaming socialists in check
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December 31, 2014 10:23pm
Steve (North Shore)

Happy New year to Kiwiblog host DPF and Happy New Year to the commies who inhabit this blog
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December 31, 2014 10:25pm
Longknives

Dozens of people injured in riots at Concert in Gisborne tonight- 7 reported in Hospital.
The headline act? None other than left-wing activists ‘Homebrew’…
(The guy who wanted to rape the PM’s daughter..)
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