General Debate 11 April 2015

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Komata

Penelope

Re: ‘…who demand transparency from others…’

Pot, meet Kettle.
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April 11, 2015 6:11pm
nasska

…”We should start a collection drive for used TV boxes right away!”….

Quite right Nostra. You could have Cardboardgami dotted all around Auckland so she could grab a bit of shut eye after a hard day’s protesting without having to get Dotcom to buy her a bus ticket home. 🙂
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April 11, 2015 6:22pm
twofish

Penny do you ever intend paying those arrears and penalties from 2008, until now, and still accruing, since Auckland Council is yet to provide the information that you believes they should?
Simple question – can you supply a simple answer?

You hope people will vote for you – so how about a little transparency and TRUTH?
The world is watching 🙂
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April 11, 2015 6:22pm
stigie

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Penny+Bright+John+Banks+Len+Brown+Quized+Sale+GWnM2GLtzEJl.jpg

I reckon ole Banksie was having a few fantasies in this photo !~
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April 11, 2015 6:32pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Last year Sofia brought this to our attention:

Sofia (898 comments) says:
September 15th, 2014 at 9:16 am

A little perspective
Does cuckoo Penny Bright deposit in other people’s nests as well as here?
Apparently: Yes, on Kim Dotcom’s Facebook page

Terry Downey > Kim Dotcom
Kim can you lend Penny a car? Folks – I’m stuck. Need more than ‘likes’ on facebook! I have more corflute election signs that I need to get up and around in Helensville – but no car. (You have NO idea how broke I am – it’s a wonder I manage to do anything  Can anyone help? …
Cheers! Penny 

Is this for real?
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April 11, 2015 6:35pm
nasska

They’re strange fruit north of the Bombay Hills stigie. Must be something in the water I reckon. 🙂
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April 11, 2015 6:36pm
Oliver Twist

All_on_Red (1,872 comments) says: April 11th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
… 1.5 to 4.5 Degrees K for every doubling of CO2 … around 1.3 degrees K that CO2 increases … Blah-blah-blah. Enjoy.

It’s 1.5 K not 1.5 degrees K.

A little basic science for you. Enjoy.
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April 11, 2015 6:37pm
nasska

….”Is that for real?”….

I remember seeing that last year Nostra. It sure brings up a few more grey areas for the Public Watchdog to address. Like:

1) Did the entreaty work & did Dotty come across?

2) Who paid for the petrol?

3) Did the use of the car get declared in the expenses declaration?

4) Did the IRD approve private use of the vehicle & if not was FBT paid?

Where will we find someone to demand answers to the hard questions? 🙂
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April 11, 2015 6:45pm
All_on_Red

Oliver
Well, given the inanity of your comment I thought I should be clear in case you didn’t know what K stood for…
Is that the best rebuttal you can do? Must be awkward you being the denier now huh.
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April 11, 2015 6:58pm
stigie

With her not paying any rates, you would think she could afford a fucking great big truck Nasska to cart all her hordings around. She could have come a close second to John Key if she had !~
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April 11, 2015 6:59pm
cricko

When you were at primary or intermediate school did you ever had a situation when the teacher said,
Who was that talking, and nobody owned up ?

Then a kid called Nostramdamus stuck his hand up and said, ‘Sir, sir, it was Cricko, he was the one.’

Check out yesterdays thread titled “No more parole…” at 6.15

In my day these types used to be called pimps.

At least in this instance teacher told pimp Nostradamus to shove it up his arse.

And in the old days a pimp like Nostradamus would have been given the thumping he deserved the next time he was seen in the playground
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April 11, 2015 7:01pm
Oliver Twist

All_on_Red. Yeah, right! Keep it ~~wrong~~ simple for me.

CO2 has increased from 270 to 400 ppm. On first principles, would one expect Earth to retain more energy?

You can beat around the bush all you like, confuse yourself with models and be a smart arse, but, it is a question that needs to be asked.

So far no one has the answers, certainly not you, buddy.
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April 11, 2015 7:12pm
Sofia

Forget the history, just let Penny answer the current question –

Penny do you ever intend paying those arrears and penalties from 2008, until now, and still accruing, since Auckland Council is yet to provide the information that you believes they should? 
Simple question – can you supply a simple answer?

Yes or No
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April 11, 2015 7:13pm
cricko

And on that same thread, “No more parole….” yesterday.

I didn’t see your 8,15 contribution untill today nasska, and I know you were not taking sides in the argument
but as usual you made a great point using humour and wit.
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April 11, 2015 7:21pm
bc

Good try Penny, but IGM and Manolo will never put their names to the embarrassing stuff they write every day. Who would want to take ownership of that!

Coming late to GD today (fine weather, who wants to be on a computer), but congratulations to wad dabney for his 11:49am post – talk about facts getting in the way of a crazy rant!
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April 11, 2015 7:38pm
Johnboy

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/health-wellbeing/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501238&objectid=11430635

Good news for Pork chop lovers like me! 🙂
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April 11, 2015 8:03pm
Viking2

Johnboy (17,892 comments) says:
April 11th, 2015 at 8:03 pm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/health-wellbeing/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501238&objectid=11430635

Good news for Pork chop lovers like me! 🙂
=================================
too late JB.
We can confirm that you already are a sufferer.
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April 11, 2015 8:52pm
Nostradamus

Cricko:

Still howling at the moon about other Kiwiblog commentators?

And in the old days a pimp like Nostradamus would have been given the thumping he deserved the next time he was seen in the playground

Please tell us your penis size – just so we can understand how much of a tosser you are!
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April 11, 2015 8:52pm
Reid

Nosty just wondering, who appointed you hall monitor?
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April 11, 2015 9:19pm
Nostradamus

This flight would have been haira-raising:

Thunderstorms, snow, hail and 70mph winds meant that the 42-year-old pilot had decided to abort his approach when he was still seven miles away.

An interim report by the Air Accident Investigation Branch said that just moments later, a ball of lightning appeared in the cockpit and a bolt struck its nose, travelling the full length of the plane before leaving at its tail.

But a misunderstanding involving the autopilot system meant that the commander and co-pilot then struggled to regain control of the aircraft as it descended at high speed. The report said that they wrongly believed the system had disengaged. As the co-pilot declared a Mayday, they aggressively tried to gain height, whilst every move was countered by the autopilot. The more aggressive his movements on the control column, the less effect it had. When it reached 4,000ft, the plane suddenly pitched nose down and started falling at 9,500ft a minute, giving the crew barely 20 seconds to act. At 1,100ft, as “pull up” alarms sounded in the cabin, the captain applied full power and the aircraft finally started to climb.

The plane diverted to Aberdeen where it landed safely, with only minor damage, and shaken passengers disembarked.

The report said the crew may have thought the lighting strike had disabled the autopilot because it had knocked out some of the other controls. But in fact, it was still operating and trying to adjust in order to fly at the level it has been instructed. Only when the computers became overloaded with faulty data during the plunge did it disengage itself and give the pilot seconds to save the flight.

My understanding:

– The pilot decided to abort the landing due to poor weather conditions.
– The pilot was supposed to disengage the autopilot system.
– Before the pilot could do so, the plane was hit by lightening.
– Confusion.

So, strictly speaking, the autopilot system was doing exactly what it was supposed to do. But nose-down dive at 9,500ft a minute? That raises questions about faulty design to me.
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April 11, 2015 9:28pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

Are you joking or serious? (It can be hard to interpret comments through the internet without visual cues).
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April 11, 2015 9:31pm
Richard II

Note to the lazy owner of this site:

I know you get a lot of right-wing, mean, intolerant, uncharitable, anti-social, greedy, profiteering, and egoising numpties here who don’t seem to know what a decent blog site is capable of, i.e one which has:

A FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION

but please, get off your high-country-tramping, play-attending high horse and change the flaming specs on your clumsy little blog before it is too late.

Like Whaleoil you, DPF, are not keeping up with the times at all.
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April 11, 2015 9:35pm
Richard II

New name for DPF:

Dirty Politics Farrar.

[DPF: Strike 2]
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April 11, 2015 9:44pm
Reid

Note to the lazy owner of this site:

[blockquote]text[/blockquote] is the custom on this blog Richard II. Somehow we’ve struggled through this for many years without anyone ever having an issue with it, till you apparently did, just now. Does this make the rest of us slow, or you a moron?

Edit: Oh. we see [with your 9.44]. Of course. Silly us. (How long did it take you lefties to brainstorm that “amusing” initialism? I’m picking, 48 hrs?)

Are you joking or serious?

Not sure Nosty – depends if you are or not.

You seem recently to have stood between long-standing disagreements between other adults on the blog.

Just hoping you weren’t planning on making a career out of it.
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April 11, 2015 9:47pm
Oliver Twist

Nostradamus. The pilots assumed the autopilot had disengaged but it hadn’t. So while the autopilot was trying to descend the aircraft to the altitude set, the pilots were fighting the autopilot to climb the aircraft.
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April 11, 2015 9:51pm
Sponge

A FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION

One like that, you slack jawed drooling moron?
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April 11, 2015 9:55pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

You seem recently to have stood between long-standing disagreements between other adults on the blog.

Just hoping you weren’t planning on making a career out of it.

I respect your opinion, Reid, and if that’s how you’ve read some of my recent contributions then I’ll take that on board as constructive feedback.

Oliver Twist:

The pilots assumed the autopilot had disengaged but it hadn’t. So while the autopilot was trying to descend the aircraft to the altitude set, the pilots were fighting the autopilot to climb the aircraft.

Yes, but from a design perspective, surely the autopilot system shouldn’t cause the plane to go into a nose-down dive at 9,500ft a minute? I’m just wondering if the autopilot system should automatically disengage if certain parameters are exceeded.
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April 11, 2015 9:57pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘I respect your opinion, Reid, and if that’s how you’ve read some of my recent contributions then I’ll take that on board as constructive feedback’

That’s interesting, no idea of shit stirring then?
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April 11, 2015 10:00pm
Nostradamus

Nostalgia-NZ:

That’s interesting, no idea of shit stirring then?

You’re one to talk – plenty of examples of you “shit stirring” on the Bain threads.

I see DPF has already given you a first warning and a second warning.

[DPF: 1st warning – don’t call others pervs or liars]
[DPF: That’s your second warning. Stay away from personal attacks]
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April 11, 2015 10:05pm
Reid

Just to be clear Nosty I recognise the Shawn vs me thing was becoming tiresome to many and I appreciate your raising the issue to my attention since it’s easy to become focused on the adversary and lose sight of the wider battle.

But I think these things come up sometimes on a blog and its more over to the moderator than a participant to deal with it if it’s getting out of hand. I know that DPF was recruiting lieutenants and if you’re one of them then fine. I also know DPF doesn’t want to intervene as if Shawn and I are children and that’s one of the reasons I’ve stayed around here since 2003 or so.

But your warning did give me a heads up and for that I thank you.
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April 11, 2015 10:12pm
Nostradamus

Mark Nicholas pays tribute to Richie Benaud

The stories go on and on. Another favourite is Michael Slater’s first stint on air alongside him. Terrified, Slater was almost unable to speak until Brian Lara under-edged a cut shot that whistled past leg stump by no more than a hair. “Ooooo,” said Slats, “that just snuck under Lara’s bat… er Rich, is there the word ‘snuck’ in the English language?” Benaud paused the immortal pause before bring the microphone to his lips. “I can think of one or two ‘ucks’ in the English language, Michael, but ‘snuh’ isn’t amongst them!”

That’s comedy gold.

Reid:

I know that DPF was recruiting lieutenants and if you’re one of them then fine.

As far as I know, DPF doesn’t have any moderators, but if he does then I’m certainly not one of them. Anyway, if you think I’ve over-stepped the boundary, then no problem – I’ll certainly take that feedback on board.
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April 11, 2015 10:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Thanks for letting me know nosty. I suppose reporting such things helps you give up.
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April 11, 2015 10:13pm
Nostradamus

Goodness – I see that Nostalgia-NZ is gunning for me – only two contributions to this thread so far, and both targeting me. Should I be flattered or frightened?
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April 11, 2015 10:22pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Do you have those hysterical comments on hand nosty, you know the ‘I know who you are’ ones, when I was pointing out that, actually, KB is not all about you. You’d liked that it appears.
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April 11, 2015 10:25pm
cha

Stay off the street Nostra and you’ll be fine.
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April 11, 2015 10:29pm
Richard II

Sponge (449 comments) says:
April 11th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
A FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION

One like that, you slack jawed drooling moron?

Oh, Sponge you dumb-arsed egoist. Way to prove a point you stupid, stupid boy.

Go brush your teeth, then go to bed.
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April 11, 2015 10:39pm
Oliver Twist

Nostradamus
AAIB Special Bulletins / Interim Reports. AAIB Bulletin S1/2015
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/AAIB%20Bulletin%204-2015.pdf

Commander’s Flying Experience: 5,780 hours (of which 143 were on type)

Synopsis
The flight crew decided to discontinue their approach to Runway 27 at Sumburgh Airport
because of weather ahead. As it established on a southerly heading the aircraft was
struck by lightning. The commander made nose-up pitch inputs but perceived that the
aircraft did not respond as expected. After reaching 4,000 ft amsl, the aircraft pitched
nose-down to a minimum of 19° and the applicable maximum operating speed (VMO) was
exceeded by 80 KIAS with a peak descent rate of 9,500 ft/min. The aircraft started to
climb after reaching a minimum height of 1,100 ft amsl. Recorded data showed that the
autopilot had remained engaged, and the pilots’ nose-up pitch inputs were countered by
the autopilot pitch trim function, which made a prolonged nose-down pitch trim input in an
attempt to maintain its altitude-tracking function.

History of the flight
The aircraft was serviceable with no relevant deferred defects prior to the flight.
…
The aircraft climbed, but the commander perceived that his increasingly aggressive
control column inputs did not appear to be having the expected effect. The co-pilot also
applied nose-up pitch inputs and pitch trim inputs, but similarly perceived that the aircraft
was not responding as expected. Pitch and roll mis-trim indications were presented on
the primary flight displays (PFDs) in the form of a ‘p’ and an ‘r’ for the respective condition.
Both pilots considered the possibility that they had lost control of the aircraft, perhaps
because of a failure of the fly-by-wire elevator controls following the lightning strike.
The commander instructed the co-pilot to select the elevator emergency trim switch on
the flight deck overhead panel. This was done, but had no effect, as the system had not
detected the failure condition necessary to arm the switch.
As the aircraft reached 4,000 ft amsl, the pitch attitude tended towards nose-down and a
descent began. Invalid data from one of the air data computers then caused the autopilot
to disengage. The pitch trim was, by this time, almost fully nose-down, and the aircraft
continued to pitch nose-down and descend; full aft control column inputs were made. The
peak rate of descent was 9,500 feet per minute at 1,600 ft amsl, pitch attitude reached
19° nose down, and the highest recorded speed was 330 KIAS1

The pilots maintained nose-up pitch inputs and the aircraft began pitching nose-up.
Nearing the minimum height achieved of 1,100 ft amsl, the ground proximity warning
system fitted to the aircraft generated ‘sink rate’ and ‘pull up’ warnings. The commander
applied full power, and the aircraft began climbing. He was still under the impression
that elevator control response was not normal, and instructed the co-pilot to select the
pitch control disconnect. The co-pilot queried this instruction, because the pitch control
did not appear to be jammed, and the commander selected the disconnect himself. This
disconnected the two elevator control systems from each other; each control column
remained connected to its respective (on-side) elevator.
…

Analysis
Analysis of the meteorological data showed that the aircraft was struck by triggered lightning
which caused only minor damage. Although the pilots’ actions suggested that they were
under the impression the autopilot had disengaged at the moment of the lightning strike,
recorded data showed that it had remained engaged. The pilots’ nose-up pitch inputs were
countered by the autopilot pitch trim function, which made a prolonged nose-down pitch
trim input in an attempt to maintain its altitude tracking function until it disengaged. This
accounted for the perception that the control response was not normal.

Further investigation
The AAIB investigation has not identified any technical malfunction which might account
for the incident. The investigation continues; exploring crew training, autopilot design
requirements, the human-machine interface, including the autopilot system and other
human factors of relevance to the incident.
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April 12, 2015 6:40am
All_on_Red

Oliver
“So far no one has the answers”

Errr, that’s right and that’s what I said in response to your vacuous question. The IPCC doesn’t know yet still we see alarmists hiding the uncertainty because – social justice?
Oh and going from 270-395ppm is fuck all.
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April 12, 2015 8:47am
Oliver Twist

All_on_Red (1,874 comments) says: April 12th, 2015 at 8:47 am
Oh and going from 270-395ppm is fuck all.

No, not fuck all, a 40% increase.

You have no understanding of basic science.
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April 12, 2015 8:56am
Nostradamus

Thanks Oliver Twist – the AAIB report was interesting.
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April 12, 2015 3:28pm
Redbaiter

CO2 is about 0.04% of the atmosphere.

What’s more, this graph shows no co-relation between its increase and global temperature increase.
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April 12, 2015 3:34pm
Redbaiter

Here is another, in fact, its the only climate change chart you’ll ever need to see.
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April 12, 2015 3:38pm
InsaneBorg

Hopefully Campbell will get the axe but i question whether Jono and Ben is the right replacement show for the 7:00PM prime-time slot.
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April 12, 2015 7:05pm
Oliver Twist

Redbaiter. The percentage per se is irrelevant. CO2 is an important greenhouse gas and it’s increased 40%. This cannot be hand-waved away.

The climate and therefore the science is excruciatingly complex, but the fact is, one would expect Earth to retain more energy, and it almost certainly does.

This will result in changes in the system, including the oceans.
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