General Debate 25 April 2016

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duggledog

Very good post about Bill English’s comments about hopeless young NZers not being suited to work yesterday.

It was interesting on two levels; one, that this truth that exists in the top levels of our administration has gone by comparatively, largely unnoticed (save the swivel eyed, factually absurd rantings of a clearly unhinged Jane Bowron), and two, that neither the Finance Minister nor his only superior, the Prime Minister have not withdrawn from the comments in any meaningful way.

It’s – finally – an admission of the existence of what Michael Laws used to call the immovable ‘hard rump’ of Kiwis who are permanently unemployable and will never do one jot of good for their own country. On today of all days, it’s a glimmer of hope, even though the answer is clearly to wash them out of the fabric of the country by importing tens of thousands from alien cultures every year. But what else can you do?
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April 25, 2016 8:03am
Manolo

Thank you, Mamma Merkel: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36124256

Austria’s far-right Freedom Party candidate has come top in the first round of presidential elections, preliminary results show.

Norbert Hofer has about 36% of the votes for the mostly ceremonial role – not enough to avoid a run-off in May.
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April 25, 2016 8:07am
Happychappy

I suppose the imaginary ex SAS soldier and NZ First MP will be trying to impress our Veterans in his local RSA today
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April 25, 2016 8:13am
Captain Mainwaring

DPF, here’s an idea:
Thanks to the efforts of the Public Watchdog, the term ‘hidden due to low comment rating’ has become redundant.
She actually provokes a high volume of comment, but a better phrase would be ‘hidden due to excessive negative comment rating.’
What do you think?
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April 25, 2016 8:14am
Dead Earnest

Sadly Bill was absolutely correct. A major employer in Chch told me recently that their last supply of local labour suddenly dried up when they introduced compulsory drug testing at employment interviews.
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April 25, 2016 8:17am
Steve (North Shore)

Captain, I think Spray and Walk Away should be suspended until she makes a few apologies to those she has slandered on this blog.
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April 25, 2016 8:18am
Keeping Stock

A very large turnout at Whanganui’s Dawn Service this morning; many thousands in attendance. It’s really pleasing to see so many families and children making the effort to come and commemorate the service of so many.

My maternal grandfather was a WWI veteran, my father fought with 2NZEF in North Africa and Crete, and my brother saw active service in the last days of New Zealan’s involvement in Vietnam. I pray that my children and their yet-to-be-born children are never exposed to that horror that is war.

Lest we forget.
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April 25, 2016 8:22am
Keeping Stock

@ Happychappy – I have no time for the person you mention, but i don’t think today is the appropriate day to denigrate anyone who has served in our armed forces.
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April 25, 2016 8:24am
The Virgin

Given its ANZAC Day I want to voice my disgust at the support for that sanctimonious bitch Helen Clark as UN Secretary General.
She is the person who previously was a member of the Labour Progressive Youth Movement who took great delight in spitting on, verbally abusing and throwing paint over returning Vietnam Vets (along with that cunt Geoff).
On ANZAC Day we “shall never forget”, and that goes for past leaders who have treated our returning soldiers so poorly.
Enough with this support for Clark, just because she is from NZ should not mitigate her past history of abuse against NZ Veterans.
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April 25, 2016 8:32am
sooty

Penny Bright is as thick as pig shit. She sprays and runs away, cuts and pastes, keeps doing the same old shit day in day out. Trys to convert us as if that will happen here. She even gets told shes not wanted over at the Standard. No one is recieving her messages, just look at her polling in elections, but she continues to sprout the same shit time and time again, expecting a respone to her liking. The ACC needs to wake up. They are been taken for a ride by staff and lawyers, they are incompedant. Is she deluded or bat shit crazy! But she is lucky to be dealing with idiots, or she would be living under a bridge somewhere now.
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April 25, 2016 8:33am
Happychappy

@KS
Point taken no offence meant
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April 25, 2016 8:34am
mikenmild

She is the person who previously was a member of the Labour Progressive Youth Movement who took great delight in spitting on, verbally abusing and throwing paint over returning Vietnam Vets (along with that cunt Geoff).

I believe that to be a myth.
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April 25, 2016 8:36am
stephieboy

The Virgin, and can you document that claim ?
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April 25, 2016 8:40am
The Virgin

http://www.vietnamwar.govt.nz/nz-vietnam-war/war-back-home
The Apologists for Clark and her ilk aparantly have selective memories when it comes to NZ History
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April 25, 2016 8:44am
The Virgin

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/documents/vietnam-fact-sheet9.pdf
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April 25, 2016 8:46am
mikenmild

Virgin
Neither of those links document any spitting. Neither do they mention Helen Clark or Phil Goff. Like I said, it’s a myth.
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April 25, 2016 8:49am
tvb

Helen Clark to my knowledge has always shown utmost respect for our vets.
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April 25, 2016 8:52am
EAD

Stockholm residents are upset over the city council’s plans to re-locate hundreds of Muslim migrants right next to a school and during a recent meeting, brawls broke out as Swedes exclaimed, “we demand f##king answers, now!”:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-24/swedes-revolt-over-refugees-near-schools-demand-fking-answers-stockholm-city-council

From the comments section:

The issue is why is the government of sweden so absolutely determined to make swedes a minority in their own country, against the will of their own people, and against common sense?

Myopic left wing nuttery may be part of it, but who owns and controls Swedish media? Who is advocating the loudest for massive immigration despite all the trouble,
http://www.whyileftsweden.com/?p=465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU

The Oded Yinon Plan + The Kalergi Plan = the immivasion of Europe
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April 25, 2016 8:57am
Captain Mainwaring

“Helen Clark to my knowledge has always shown utmost respect for our vets.”

She needed to as PM, she had to swallow dead rats. Just like her sham marriage.
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April 25, 2016 8:58am
G152

Protesters cowards.
A pity the boys were under Army discipline when they
were bombarded with paint.
And the spitting is well remembered by those who were there
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April 25, 2016 8:58am
fernglas

The anti-vietnam war movement was a large centrist movement, much like the opposition to the Springbok tour. However, I do not recall any mass involvement in violence during protests; as always there were a few extremists who got carried away, but to tar all protesters with that brush is simply wrong, and a disservice to the many who peacefully protested against what history has shown to be a wrong war.
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April 25, 2016 8:58am
Viking2

Shortly it will become compulsory for senior citizens to carry not only their ID, but also their insurance documents, their prescription list, a compact version of their medical file, the statement declaring if they want to be resuscitated after a heart attack, stroke, etc. etc.
Consequently, a lot of paperwork will have to be carried when a senior citizen goes out the front door or when they travel!

Specifically for this purpose, a special “Senior USB Stick” has been developed.

Take a look below….

http://screencast.com/t/DJ4VWSowm

· Two Bites of information.

· Blue Tooth technology to fit your lifestyle.

· Expanded Memory can be arranged.

· Something to chew on.

We don’t stop laughing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop laughing.

And to paraphrase an Anzac expression, we won’t grow old if we keep Laughing.
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April 25, 2016 8:59am
B.L.Zeebub

FFS, for the few here that are obsessed with Ms Jakob Creutzfeldt, take the hint from Oscar,

There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
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April 25, 2016 9:00am
Viking2

A compulsory warrant of fitness for rental properties could be on the way for Nelson and in the meantime landlords are to be encouraged to make improvements.

This is the result of a long discussion at the Nelson City Council’s planning and regulatory committee following representations from the advocacy group Voice Nelson.

The group surveyed the city’s rental market, finding what it told the council in February were “very big issues” around mould, damp and condensation, along with high rents.

what give the Nelson or any other council the right to introduce WOF’s.

These councils are out of control. Most can’t even do properly what they are legislated to do. roads water sewerage etc.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79236490/nelson-council-backs-wofs-for-rental-properties–but-not-yet
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April 25, 2016 9:13am
Happychappy

A Auckland woman Dorothy Waymouth who landbanked 7500sq /m of land over fourth years has put them up for sale.This canny retiree has offer the city block now valued at $6.585million for sale.You would have to wonder what Phil Twyford and Labour would say if the seekers name was Chinese sounding and wanting to sell something similar.
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April 25, 2016 9:23am
Chuck Bird

Some of the comment make very interesting reading. It appears the mother was living in Lebanon with the father when the separated. She then took the children back to Oz and burned their Lebanese passports and gained custody in Oz. If that is the case the reporting is pretty poor and misleading.

Should the 60 mins team have been involved in the Lebanon child rescue?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/your-views/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=11622501
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April 25, 2016 9:23am
Inandout

The spitter and paint thrower over the Vietnam Vets may be Auckland’s next Mayor. Lest we forget.
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April 25, 2016 9:25am
starboard

Well said The Virgin. Clarkula will not be forgotten for the nasty vile beast that she was. Her and Goff spat on returned servicemen , scum like mm wont admit it because they idolise the she beast and all things loony left..but deep down they know it happened.

“She needed to as PM, she had to swallow dead rats. Just like her sham marriage.”

Too true Captain, while PD was out swallowing sausage at LAX , H1 was in Welly carpet munching H2.
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April 25, 2016 9:25am
Viking2

Pay to spray? News sites charging for online comments

News publishers have such a fraught relationship with the people who comment on their articles that many websites have been removing the comments section altogether (including this one). Michael Robertson thinks he has a better idea: start charging the people who hang out there.

Robertson, an entrepreneur in San Diego best known for founding MP3.com and fighting a long legal battle with the record industry, argues that the prospect of a new revenue stream will convince a struggling industry to reconsider the value of comments. A self-proclaimed libertarian, he believes his company, SolidOpinion.com, can provide a market solution to trolling.

“If we can turn this into a revenue producer, then all of a sudden publishers will want it; they can invest time in it; and we can improve comments,” he said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11627030
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April 25, 2016 9:26am
mikenmild

starboard/Inandout
As I noted above, the notion that Helen Clark or Phil Goof spat at returning veterans appears to be a complete myth.
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April 25, 2016 9:28am
Hajji

Starboard, your remarks are libelous. I suggest you retract them ASAP or Mr Farrar could find himself in difficulties not of his making.

Please retract now!
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April 25, 2016 9:30am
Manolo

Islamic brotherly love:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/isis-freezes-45-people-to-death-after-they-tried-to-flee-terror-groups-iraqi-stronghold/ar-BBs9WZs?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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April 25, 2016 9:31am
starboard

Yes yes mm , we acknowledge your broken record stance..*rolls eyes *
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April 25, 2016 9:31am
stephieboy

fernglas, well said about the Vietnam war protestors and I do not recall any spitting or abusing our Vietnam vets .

starbaord , evidence that Goff and Clark actually spat on Vietnam vets ? Is this another example of you spoon feeding off Ian Wishart and other rabid right and redneck commentators ?
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April 25, 2016 9:32am
Manolo

@mikenmild: As a loyal Labour Party you will always find Helen Clark to be of an impeccable conduct. Comradeship and discipline go hand in hand.
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April 25, 2016 9:35am
dad4justice

Hajji why should starboard retract the truth?
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April 25, 2016 9:40am
stephieboy

Manolo, as a veteran right tard you’ll believe in anything as your frequent tedious litanies from Fox News and Palin la la land amply testify .
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April 25, 2016 9:40am
Captain Mainwaring

Sillyboy:
If what Wishart published was untrue, he would have been sued. He wasn’t.
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April 25, 2016 9:44am
Keeping Stock

So Keeping Stock – no – I’m not apologising for asking you those questions.

However – I accept your reply, and won’t be asking you those questions again.

There you go.

Feel better now?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

I guess that’s as close to an apology and retraction as I’m ever likely to get from Ms Bright, so I shall accept it in the spirit in which it was delivered and move on 😀
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April 25, 2016 9:45am
Zapper

From the above link The War at Home:

“They were also how some women received news their husband was coming home. Some families were targeted in anti-war stunts. Phone calls to Waiouru army base were screened after wives were victims of prank calls – attributed to the Progressive Youth Movement – advising them of their husband’s demise in Vietnam”

Wow. The depths those scumbags plumbed is incredible.
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April 25, 2016 9:48am
Nukuleka

It’s just not fair- like Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Christmas Day- the shops are closed this morning and I can’t go out to the mall with my friend Raelene to do our daily shop till you drop. Why is it that in this nanny state of ours people make rules and regulations about what we can and can’t do and prevent honest retailers from making a buck and deprive ordinary citizens like me and Raelene of their right to shop till they drop.

I am sure that all Kiwibloggers of good faith will join me in writing to their MPs to protest against this gross intrusion on out liberties. Raelene and I will be doing just that. A letter to that nice Mr Peters should do the trick. It is simply draconian to set aside 3 and a half days of the year as non-shopping days. My world- and Raelene’s- are about to collapse- how will we survive till 1.00 pm!
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April 25, 2016 9:49am
Keeping Stock

Having been out from mid-morning yesterday until the evening, I missed this from our resident troll Gabby:

Gabby (820 comments) says:
April 24th, 2016 at 11:03 am

Sweet reason doesn’t go down too well here Noogie as you must know, unless you have selective reading skills like Nosydumbarse. It may be that you just don’t notice the stream of abuse pouring out from Stainy, Smuggy, crappychappy and co. More likely, you think certain folk are fair game and pitching into them doesn’t count.

I take exception to that comment Gabby. I criticise behaviours, especially those of people like Ms Bright who profess one thing and do another, but I pointedly avoid getting personal and abusive.

But I do agree with Nookin; any validity to points you try to make is lost by your infantile behavior in changing the pseudonyms people have chosen to post under.
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April 25, 2016 9:55am
rangitoto

Congrats to Hayden Paddon and John Kennard taking out the Rally Argentina. Ogier had closed to two seconds before the final stage but Paddon went all out on the final stage and added 11 seconds to the lead. First NZ WRC round win.
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April 25, 2016 9:55am
Reid

As usual, a simple google search taking 0.76 seconds reveals the lefty fools are, as usual, full of shit.

[Clark and Goff] were front and centre on [14] May 1971 when 161 Bty RNZA marched down Queen Street after returning from Vietnam. They physically disrupted that parade, by throwing paint over the members of 161 Bty RNZA, throwing themselves in front of moving vehicles, screaming ‘baby killers’ and setting fire to baby prams and wheeling them into the parade. They were lucky that our troops have more discipline than long haired communist louts like Clark and Goff at the time. The irony is mostly because it is people like Clark and Goff who treated these brave soldiers so appallingly in the first place that warrants an apology now. It better be good Clark, it better be good.”

http://www.w3vietnam.org.nz/story_12.htm

Clark’s “respect” for veterans during her execrable regime was of course, as is usual wih her, not genuine, it was merely a front so the idiot media wouldn’t tell the public she was busy spending all the military’s budget on things that didn’t have any pointy bits, thus weakening our defence posture and betraying this country, while pretending to be a patriot.
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April 25, 2016 9:55am
starboard

stephiebot , I couldn’t give a fuck what your thoughts are on the issue. Why would I ? A muslim loving chardonnay socialist like yourself , you are way, way down the bottom of the list.

Hajji , Pete Dixon was a well known sausage muncher. H1 and H2 were two dirty strippers I once ran into at Mermaid bar in Wellington.
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April 25, 2016 9:57am
stephieboy

Captain Mainwaring, conspiracy theorist’s like Ian Wishart generally do not get sued and are at best ignored !

starboard , an attack of the runs already on ANZAC day ?
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April 25, 2016 9:58am
mikenmild

Reid
I realise that your comprehension skills are not too flash. There are no contemporary account of Helen Clark or Phil Goff spitting on servicemen. Your quote from the link on Whaleoil does not rectify that.
Phil Goff would have been about 17 at the time, btw, so I think it unlikely he was even at that protest.
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April 25, 2016 10:01am
Captain Mainwaring

Rangitoto:
Sure was an epic win by Paddon. But once again Scott Dixon’s race was ruined by an idiot (this time Bourdais) turning him around on lap 3 and dropping him to 20th. To get back to 10th by the finish was a great effort.
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April 25, 2016 10:02am
nasska

….”like Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Christmas Day- the shops are closed this morning”…..

At least there’s a good & sufficient reason to close shops this morning. Not like the other three days when NZ stops because of a residual belief in a Skydaddy.
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April 25, 2016 10:02am
stephieboy

Reid, what a pile of codswallop from yet another fawning and feigning fake ” true patriot ”

Spied out any Illuminati signage at any ANZAC services today ?

http://www.illuminatirex.com/wp-content/uploads/illuminati-signs-roc-jay-z.jpg
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April 25, 2016 10:03am
stigie

“while PD was out swallowing sausage at LAX”

Crickey Starboard, this is getting more interesting as time passes but didn’t you mean the sausage man Pete Davis..?
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April 25, 2016 10:06am
Manolo

Birds of a feather flock together:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/24/migration-crisis-obama-and-eu-leaders-to-discuss-naval-patrols-in-libya

US president Barack Obama said Angela Merkel was on the right side of history with her management of the refugee crisis and praised the German chancellor as a steady and trustworthy ally with a really good sense of humour, as he embarked on the final phase of the last official European tour.
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April 25, 2016 10:07am
starboard

Pete Davis ? Who TF is Pete Davis ?
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April 25, 2016 10:15am
Reid

Reid
I realise that your comprehension skills are not too flash. There are no contemporary account of Helen Clark or Phil Goff spitting on servicemen.

Yes I thought someone slimy might pick up on that, as if throwing paint, setting fire to baby carriages and pushing them into the parade and yelling baby killers isn’t just as bad. I’m sure if I looked harder I’d find the spitting allegations, and BTW slimy, I didn’t get it from whale, it was #3 in the google search that took 0.76 seconds. You just can’t help it can you, it was there on google a mere click away but rather than do that yourself, you’d rather spend the morning denying the obvious based on nothing but your own lying eyes, all the while pretending you know, when what you really know is, you’re just making it all up.
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April 25, 2016 10:19am
Inandout

stephieboy 9.32: You are very transparent in your support for Islam fellow travellers, Clark and Goff; almost sycophantic.
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April 25, 2016 10:31am
DifferentPerspective

So what has changed?

Remember this time last year? The NZ news was full of “heart-rending” images of faux refugees splashing about in the sea in the Mediterranean sea and all the Western leaders were braying about “humanitarian crisis” and “Yes we can” and “Welcome the refugees”

Virtue signalling on Twitter plumbed puerile new lows “We have to do something” and every libtard on the planet was in a joyous paroxism of hand-wringing self-flagellation!

Well – 12 months on – the same illegal migration is still underway

http://www.unhcr.org/57177c199.html

But not a peep in the NZ news!

Not a single Twitter dribble?

Merkel has shut her big drooping mouth (other than to prosecute someone for making a joke about the infinitely evil Turkish president).

Boatloads of these criminally stupid or dishonest monsters are still trying to force their way in to Europe by attempted suicide – but no more media circus?

Surely all those retards who cared so much about this last year haven’t got bored or don’t give a shit anymore?

Or maybe we’ve had a year of horrors in Europe BECAUSE of the open borders approach! Maybe Merkel’s once unassailable political position is shot to shit because of the biggest social disaster in living memory! Maybe everyone understands bringing a million male sexist muslim rapists into Europe was a terrible mistake. Maybe when some of us pointed out that it was a perfect way for terrorists to get in to Europe (and Oh I don’t know shoot up Paris and bomb Brussels) we might have had a point. Maybe now that all the borders (that were once open) are now closed with barbed wire – none of the criminally stupid fools who believed the media hype care to apologise to those of us who dared to question if this was a good idea.

Maybe all those fools are so dishonest that they don’t care to be reminded as to how wrong they were?

The damage is done though. Consideration of increasing the refugee quota is locked in. Proto-hot beds of muslim violence and jihadism have already been firmly ensconced in Wellington and Dunedin suburbs. Mad mullahs from Egypt are on their way to formalise the indoctrination and radicalisation in NZ mosques.

The UNHCR report the boat people are still happening – why is their media silence? Is it because liars never point out their lies in the hope no one will notice?
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April 25, 2016 10:33am
Inandout

starboard 10.15am: Wasn’t Pete Davis the lead singer in that LA band, The Smoking Pipes?
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April 25, 2016 10:34am
stigie

More to the point, who TF is Pete Dixon ?
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April 25, 2016 10:38am
Stars And Stripes

Had a great morning at the Anzac Parade and after function at the RSA here in my town and great to see large numbers turning out.
Shame some people are so bitter and twisted that for one day they can’t let go of politics and their own little self righteous pacifist campaigns and just enjoy themselves for once and make the day for what it really is, a time to get together and remember the past and to pay respects to the people who played a part in this history rightly or wrongly.
Anyone who feels unable do this is truly a miserable individual and maybe needs to think about how they let themselves become like this.
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April 25, 2016 10:38am
Griff

Yes I thought someone slimy might pick up on that, as if throwing paint,
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact%2Fphotos%2Fneak_luong_1.jpg
setting fire to baby carriages and pushing them into the parade
http://apjjf.org/data/428.JPG
yelling baby killers isn’t just as bad.
http://images.slideplayer.com/24/6965528/slides/slide_21.jpg
Not even at fucken war.
Different times.
You have to acknowledge what happened not scream and yell about something so stupidly inconsequential Reid
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April 25, 2016 10:40am
mikenmild

Reid just gets a bit pissed off when anyone calls out his bullshit.
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April 25, 2016 10:43am
stephieboy

Inandout (2,198 comments) says:
April 25th, 2016 at 10:31 am

“stephieboy 9.32: You are very transparent in your support for Islam fellow travellers, Clark and Goff; almost sycophantic.”

Including another bunch of fellow travellers , John Key’s government allowing in and additional quota of 650 Syrian refugees ??

Making sense is obviously not one of your strengths !
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April 25, 2016 10:46am
Jack5

A holiday weekend read for the dope-addled addict who often raves on the General Debate thread, from his favourite publication, too.

Cannabis leads to early death, American and Swedish studies find, reports the Daily Mail.

The early death is in addition to the raving dementia that can be exhibited by cannabis addicts as they lapse into a lifestyle of unemployment, their isolation broken only by acceess to internet blogs and by visits from their dope dealers. (That bit’s not in the report. That’s an accepted fact.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3556225/Cannabis-leads-early-death-New-study-finds-teens-use-drug-heavily-likely-die-60.html
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April 25, 2016 10:47am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Ever read this Kiwibloggers?

“War is a racket” – by Major-General Smedley Butler – America’s ‘most decorated soldier’.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/115545.Smedley_D_Butler

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.

In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914.

I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.

I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.

I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912.

I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916.

I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903.

In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.

Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints.

The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. ”

Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier
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Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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April 25, 2016 10:47am
RichardX

Reid (20,855 comments) says:
April 25th, 2016 at 10:19 am
Reid
I realise that your comprehension skills are not too flash. There are no contemporary account of Helen Clark or Phil Goff spitting on servicemen.
Yes I thought someone slimy might pick up on that, as if throwing paint, setting fire to baby carriages and pushing them into the parade and yelling baby killers isn’t just as bad. I’m sure if I looked harder I’d find the spitting allegations, and BTW slimy, I didn’t get it from whale, it was #3 in the google search that took 0.76 seconds. You just can’t help it can you, it was there on google a mere click away but rather than do that yourself, you’d rather spend the morning denying the obvious based on nothing but your own lying eyes, all the while pretending you know, when what you really know is, you’re just making it all up.

Pretty slimy to be aware that your post didn’t answer the specific allegation yet you post it anyway
Speaks volumes about the standards of evidence you require to support your beliefs

The comprehension fail is that even http://www.w3vietnam.org.nz/ states that it was first published on Whaleoil, exactly as Mike stated
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2008/05/vietnam-vets-to-get-apology/
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April 25, 2016 10:52am
Paulus

Just enjoyed our coffee at our usual Mt Maunganui café following the dawn Parade.
Paid a surcharge, but great coffee worth it.
As far as we could see all the cafes and coffee shops were doing well.
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April 25, 2016 10:57am
Biscuit

Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny…

You are SO predictable…

How many of the conflicts that you so happily cite were waged by people of, or on behalf of, the left?

N
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N
E

Are you seriously asking us to believe that all the wars, insurrections, invasions, imprisonments (remember that nice wee wall the Russians built to save East Germany from capitalism?) caused by leftist factions didn’t similarly benefit leftist backers?

Kiwibloggers are, on the whole, rational thinkers.

Do you not think that your continued bias against anything on the right a) is ludicrous, b) is not what one would expect of a so-called free thinker c) makes a mockery of your oft-stated claim to be ‘independent’ and d) makes anything you say instantly downtickable?
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April 25, 2016 11:01am
Captain Mainwaring

For Christ’s sake Penny, what does all this cut ‘n paste crap have to do with your Auckland Mayoral campaign?
Get back on topic, you deluded old fool.

Captain Mainwaring
not 2016 mayoral candidate for anywhere
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April 25, 2016 11:02am
stephieboy

Surely this must be on of the most heartwarming and lovely of occasions as the President and the First lady greet Prince George just be before his bed time ,

” Bath time… then meet Obama: Prince George becomes star of Kensington Palace party after greeting the leader of the free world while wearing his monogrammed dressing gown and slippers ..”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3554403/Now-s-party-time-controversial-intervention-Brexit-debate-Barack-Obama-Lady-Michelle-greeted-William-Kate-Harry-informal-Kensington-Palace-dinner.html
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April 25, 2016 11:06am
starboard

“You just can’t help it can you, it was there on google a mere click away but rather than do that yourself, you’d rather spend the morning denying ”

mm uses wiki as his evidence for his ( pathetic ) arguments ..Wiki !!! What a tool. Anyway mm ,when are you going to-to-to pay ba-ba-back IRD’s paye that you stole off your employees eh ? Tax thief..thats you..a thief.
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April 25, 2016 11:10am
starboard

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/79277448/Man-stabbed-about-20-times-with-screwdriver-in-Christchurch

( psst we know , dont we )
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April 25, 2016 11:13am
publicwatchdog

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For your consideration Kiwibloggers – another direct quote from Major General Smedley Butler – “War Is A Racket”.

Why am I choosing to draw this to your attention?

Because it’s ANZAC day – (lest we forget) – and this book was written by someone whose opinion, as America’s most decorated soldier, in my view, is worthy of consideration.

You don’t have to agree with what Major General Smedley Butler is saying, you don’t have to like what he’s saying, but I respectfully suggest that you don’t ignore it?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

CHAPTER ONE

War Is A Racket

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.

It is the only one international in scope.

It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people.

Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about.

It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many.

Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict.

At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War.

That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns.

How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle?

How many of them dug a trench?

How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out?

How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets?

How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy?

How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious.

They just take it.

This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few — the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war.

The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting.

Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.

……”
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Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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April 25, 2016 11:18am
starboard

Cant disagree with ya Penny.
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April 25, 2016 11:20am
publicwatchdog

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Who exactly was Major General Smedley Butler?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Smedley Darlington Butler

Born: West Chester, Pa., July 30, 1881
Educated: Haverford School
Married: Ethel C. Peters, of Philadelphia, June 30, 1905
Awarded two congressional medals of honor:
capture of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914
capture of Ft. Riviere, Haiti, 1917
Distinguished service medal, 1919
Major General – United States Marine Corps
Retired Oct. 1, 1931
On leave of absence to act as director of Dept. of Safety, Philadelphia, 1932
Lecturer — 1930’s
Republican Candidate for Senate, 1932
Died at Naval Hospital, Philadelphia, June 21, 1940

For more information about Major General Butler, contact the United States Marine Corps.

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Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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April 25, 2016 11:28am
Captain Mainwaring

“Who exactly was Major General Smedley Butler?”

DILLIGAFF

Do
I
Look
Like
I
Give
A
Flying
Fuck?

Now get on with your campaign. Or pay your rates. One or the other, just stop polluting this place.

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April 25, 2016 11:46am
Paulus Gnome

Fking hard work this morning!

Gnome; happily downticking since 2016. 🙂

Retaliatory downtick in 3, 2, 1 . . . .

Go on Penny, do it now, you know you want to!
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April 25, 2016 11:57am
starboard

“DILLIGAF”

I saw this on a number plate last week..how clever !
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April 25, 2016 11:59am
publicwatchdog

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Thank you Captain Mainwaring for (again) reading and commenting on my posts 🙂

However – please be reminded that this is NOT your blog and you are NOT my 2016 Auckland Mayoral campaign manager.

So, with all due respect, I shall continue to exercise my right to ‘freedom of expression’, which is supported by Kiwiblogger host David Farrar on HIS ‘Kiwiblog’, and express my opinion on any matter as I see fit, particularly on ‘General Debate’.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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April 25, 2016 12:02pm
Kimbo

Republican Candidate for Senate, 1932

The person posting who posted the above is soooo ignorant, she hasn’t worked out that the poster-boy she has quoted for ‘exposing’ the true purpose of war was in all likelihood – given his political affiliation and the era – an isolationist anti-Semite, convinced that wars were a Jewish plot to enrich them at the expense of Gentile lives…and when it came to aggression by military dictatorships against nations such as China, Ethiopia, Czechoslovakia and Poland in the 1930s…he was quite happy to stand aside and ‘let ’em burn’. Just as long as the Americans were “not involved”.

And people wonder why Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo nearly conquered the world by 1941!
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April 25, 2016 12:04pm
Captain Mainwaring

“please be reminded that this is NOT your blog”

Sorry, so it’s yours then. I’ll let DPF know.
Apologies for my mistake.
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April 25, 2016 12:08pm
renderer

Penny does the right to freedom of expression give one the right to tell lies and/or steal?
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April 25, 2016 12:31pm
Fletch

Pete Davis ? Who TF is Pete Davis ?

You know – the husband of previous Labour Prime Minister, Helen Davis (maiden name, Helen Clark).
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April 25, 2016 12:34pm
Kimbo

…it gets even better with Major General Smedley Butler!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

From 1935 (the same year he wrote the excerpt quoted above) to 1937 he was a spokesman for the Communist-dominated ‘American League Against War and Fascism’, an organisation that also included Christian Pacifists, but was really a front for the Comintern.

And not surprisingly, when Stalin signed the infamous ~~‘Let’s divide Poland between the two of us’~~ non-Aggression Pact with the Nazis in 1939, the communists pulled out and the organisation dissolved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League_Against_War_and_Fascism

In other words, along with the likes of Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford, Major General Smedley Butler was what is known in the political propaganda game as “a useful fool’! I guess it takes one to know one. 😉
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April 25, 2016 12:35pm
renderer

Does freedom of expression give one the right to have a brain fart in a court of law and mislead the judge?
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April 25, 2016 12:35pm
Keeping Stock

Penny – the right of freedom of expression gives people the right to challenge something as blatantly inflammatory as you have posted this morning on ANZAC Day, a day when we remember the sacrifice of so many from past generations. Yes; you have the right to publish what I consider to be left-wing propaganda, but equally I have the right to express my abhorrence of it, which I do.
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April 25, 2016 12:38pm
notrotsky

In my opinion Penny Bright is a vile piece of disrespectful duplicitous leftist crud in the mould of john minto.

What say you kiwibloggers.
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April 25, 2016 12:42pm
RF

Today is a day for reflection where we honour our veterans both present and departed.

Somehow I was not surprised to read over on the standard that you should not attend Dawn Services that honour our brave dead. They also took time to spew their vile filth at Rodney Hyde and John Key.

What sad individuals. Hard to believe they are Kwis.
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April 25, 2016 12:51pm
renderer

Penny is more than qualified to be part of the precariat
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April 25, 2016 12:58pm
Stars And Stripes

I am sure that most of the people out there and some in here who are so keen to trash Anzac Day and all it stands for are probably just suffering from a form of self hate as probably their families total war history consists of relatives who were:
1.Informants
2.Collaborators
3.Draft Dodgers
4.Traitors
5.Deserters

Just to keep traditions alive I am sure they also sneaked in the back door of the RSA this morning to shovel up a couple of free breakfasts.
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April 25, 2016 1:02pm
publicwatchdog

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If some of you Kiwibloggers didn’t like my quoting the considered opinion of Major General Smedley Butler from his “War Is A Racket”, in my opinion – you will HATE this!

So – I suggest you STOP reading now, in case you forget this is ‘General Debate’?

(But you can’t help yourselves – can you? 🙂

Ever wondered why Gallipoli was such a military series of ‘cock ups’?

Why did so many ANZACs die at Gallipoli?

What if the Gallipoli campaign was never intended to succeed?

A very controversial opinion – “Gallipoli: one great deception?”

“The proposition is that it was the intention of the British and French Governments of 1915 to ensure that the Dardanelles and the Gallipoli Campaign would not succeed and that it was conceived and conducted as a ruse to keep the Russians in the war and thus the continuation of the Eastern Front.”

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-24/30630

“… It then occurred to me that the under-resourcing, informing the enemy five months in advance of the intention to attack, the hurried and inadequate planning, the overly complicated landing plan on exposed and difficult beaches with no initial massive bombardments to pulverise enemy defences, selection of the most incompetent and timid commanders for a difficult operation and apparent constant bungling that characterised the Allied conduct of the campaign may be attributed to something more than ineptitude.

My detractors on this issue, however, tell me I should never dismiss incompetence in military defeats.

But such a consistent level of stupidity?

Respected Australian military historian, Professor Robin Prior, in his new book, Gallipoli, the end of a myth, lists a series of decisions and events that he describes as puzzling or incomprehensible.

These become less puzzling if the intention of the operations is to guarantee a stalemate and maintain a campaign as ‘demonstration’ rather than a successful invasion.

The desired result will be the same without the need to deliver on promises.

Two hundred years or so of British and French foreign policy, which include support for the Ottoman Empire against Russia, make it clear that the Allies would try anything to stop Russia gaining Istanbul and the Bosphorus.
…..”

_______________________

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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April 25, 2016 1:15pm
ex-golfer

Penny Bright – you are the most disrespectful, vile, duplicitous, lying, conniving, thieving, bludging and downright useless individual I have ever encountered. I look forward to the day your house is sold and you are tossed into the gutter with the filth where you belong.

Said in my most uncaring way and in the spirit to which free speech is intended.

[DPF: Totally unacceptable – Strike 1]
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April 25, 2016 1:22pm
renderer

Penny. Free speech is wasted on a low life like yourself.
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April 25, 2016 1:23pm
Inandout

Any talk of this in the mosque this morning stephie? If he was one of your cult and had been successful in carrying out his plans there would not have been a Muslim safe anywhere in Oz.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/04/the-point-is-this-16-year-isnt-a-product-of-our-culture-and-yet-here-he-is/#more-246684
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April 25, 2016 1:25pm
stephieboy

stephieboy (11,086 comments) says:
April 25th, 2016 at 11:06 am

The 12 downticks for Prince George from those who would obviously feel a lot more comfortable posting on rightoid rags like Whale Oil or it’s counterpart TrueblueNZ

Inandout,

zzzzzzzzzzz… !
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April 25, 2016 1:27pm
Sofia

Maybe you will remember this, Kiwibloggers – (sorry about the length)

Penny Bright –
from Herald 12 Questions article …

I hate lies and I detest liars. I don’t do gossip or personal comments. I don’t do political dirt.
___

by Penny Bright on June 23, 2011
http://pundit.co.nz/content/the-pms-pike-river-problems-time-to-stop-digging 4th comment
also repeated on kiwiblog and several other sites.

Would John Key stand to personally profit from open cast coal-mining on the West Coast of New Zealand, given his shareholding in the Bank of America?

Check out Bathurst Resources Ltd, the company which is currently applying for a resource consent for open-cast coal mining in Buller, on the NZ West Coast.
See ‘Resource Consent Process’ 7 June 2011
“Buller Coal Resource Consent Application Public Hearing Commences”
http://www.bathurstresources.com/Investor-Information/Announcements/2011-ASX-Announcements

Who is a substantial shareholder in Bathurst Resources Ltd?
See April 29 2011 ‘Changes in substantial ownership’

The Bank of America has voting power of 7.50% in Bathurst Resources Ltd.
Remember?

John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America.
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/MPP/MPs/FinInterests/8/c/3/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20101-Register-of-Pecuniary-Interests-of-Members.htm (See pg 36)

Will John Key Profit From NZ Foreign Debt? MR NEWS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwNoaOpDMw

Did you see this?
Ten days after the Pike River Mine explosion on 19 November 2011 – this report:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-28/new-zealand-mining-future-rests-on-mine-blast-probe-key-says.html  “New Zealand Prime Minister John Key will today propose a Royal Commission into the causes of deadly explosions at the Pike River Coal Co. mine, a probe that may determine the future of underground mining in the country.
“The future of Pike River and actually underground coal mining in New Zealand rests on this,” Key told Television New Zealand’s Q + A program yesterday. “We can’t put people into environments that are dangerous.”

Really?
How convenient …?

The NZ TVNZ Sunday Programme on 12 June 2011 exposed very clearly significant safety problems with Pike River Mine.
tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/disturbing-questions-pike-river-mine-part-1-15-04-video-4222074
tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/disturbing-questions-pike-river-mine-part-2-8-34-video-4222107

Seems that ‘whistleblower’ (‘Dr Jacob Cohen’ ) was correct about the serious safety concerns at the Pike River Mine.
What else … ?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47745564/Murder-at-Pike-River-Mine-SECOND-EDITION-With-Postscript

Check out Chapter 9, pg 38,
“SECRET PLAN TO OPEN UP PARKS TO OPEN CAST MINING: BATHURST RESOURCES and L&M COAL”
So – would John Key stand to personally profit from open cast coal-mining in New Zealand, given his shareholding in the Bank of America?

Arguably – YES.
_______________________________________________
 How is it that the NZ Prime Minister is allowed to own shares in ANY company?
Particularly in New Zealand ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ according to Transparency International’s 2010 ‘Corruption Perception Index’?

Penny Bright
Media Spokesperson
Water Pressure Group
Judicially recognised ‘Public Watchdog’ on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference (APSACC) 2009 (Brisbane, Australia)
Attendee: Transparency International 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010 (Bangkok, Thailand)
Auckland Mayoral candidate 2010
Botany by-election candidate 2011
Howick Ward (Auckland Council) by-election candidate 2011
waterpressure.wordpress.com
waterpressure@gmail.com
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April 25, 2016 1:27pm
renderer

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.”
― Søren Kierkegaard
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April 25, 2016 1:30pm
publicwatchdog

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Missed this Kimbo, in your research on Major General Smedley Butler?

//www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/02/wall-streets-failed-1934-coup/

DECEMBER 2, 2011
Wall Street’s Failed 1934 Coup
by MICHAEL DONNELLY

“In the last few weeks of the committee’s official life it received evidence showing that certain persons had made an attempt to establish a fascist organization in this country…There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.”

– Report of the McCormack-Dickstein Committee

A Patriot, not the Traitor they wanted

You know the coup plot they teach all young Americans about in 10th Grade History class? Oh yeah…

In November 1934, famed double Medal of Honor winner Marine Gen. Smedley Butler gave secret testimony before the McCormack-Dickstein committee – a precursor to the House Committee on Un-American Activities. In it, Butler told of a plot headed by a group of wealthy businessmen (The American Liberty League) to establish a fascist dictatorship in the United States, complete with concentration camps for “Jews and other undesirables.”
…….

________

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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April 25, 2016 1:32pm
Keeping Stock

Penny; you’ve had your say, and from the number of downticks, it’s apparent that people aren’t interested. So how about you get up from your computer, go for a walk, and reflect that, whoever benefits from war, we are largely a free country. There are of course some countries in the world where a person with your strident views would simply have disappeared, never to be seen again. Be grateful that our Court system largely indulges you, yet even then you push the patience of judges to the nth degree.

And remember; free speech is about you being able to have your say, but even more, it is about others being able to choose whether they listen or not. You actually take away that choice with your lengthy cut and pastes, your conspiracy theories, and by and large, the absence of an original thought.
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April 25, 2016 1:54pm
Captain Mainwaring

‘So – I suggest you STOP reading now”

I took your advice Penny, I stopped reading, and I’m much the better for it.
But you still got a downtick, and a bloody well-deserved one I might add.
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April 25, 2016 1:55pm
publicwatchdog

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The fact that I’m prepared to post comments / opinions/ and FACTS that others may choose to disagree with, and are often quite controversial / unpopular – proves that I am no ‘sheep’.

You equally have the freedom to disagree with, not to read or bother commenting on my posts – if you don’t agree with what I’m saying.

It’s called ‘freedom of expression’ and this is ‘General Debate’.

So – how about debating the ISSUES and quit the personal abuse and defamatory lies?

You know who you are …

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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