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Paulus Gnome

One sleep to go!

Two ticks BLUE!
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September 22, 2017 8:38am
- KevOB
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:47am
  - ztev
    
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    Flatfish
    
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    September 22, 2017 8:53am
    - Lance
      
      Yea
      Honest Phil blurting out accusations when all the facts are out on the table. Nothing hidden unlike Labours return to national awards and compulsory unionism.
      
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      September 22, 2017 8:56am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Yes tell us ztev; why would this be a good thing for New Zealand?
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:06am
      - kowtow
        
        Fat reporter on TV3 news covering Jax , said straight out that National told two lies , “lies” about income tax and the Joyce finance hole.
        
        I’d have said that was very strong language for a member of the fair and impartial press.
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:16am
      - ztev
        
        They have lied !!
        Their scare campaign will come back to bite them
        
        Where did you get the idea the press must be ‘impartial’
        They are private companies they can say what they like when the facts back them up.
        
        National is the one with history of having tax increases after the election and breaking promises.
        Petrol tax will be raised again like the last time with an extra 9c per litre on top of the CPi increase in tax
        
        “The Government announced today it plans to hike the price of driving, adding 9 cents a litre to the price of petrol by 2015.- Dec18 2012
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:43am
      - kowtow
        
        And I’ve just scanned my ODT and there is the Tremain cartoon depicting Joyce and English with pinnochio noses.
        
        One day before the election?
        
        There is a definite anti National campaign across the Aotearoa , formerly New Zealand, media.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:06am
    - lifesgood
      
      Got your anxiety pills ready ztev?
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:10am
      - Garbageman
        
        lol he does seem to be breaking the golden rule “Never go full retard” this weekend will push him right over the edge with a bit of luck
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:30am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Liarbour = obfuscation ?
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:16am
- GoVege
  
  Dream on….
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:20am
igm

To all Labour supporters over 65, make sure you are living near bus stops because the party you support are, at the recommendation of Clive Matthew-Wilson, going to introduce stringent drivers’ tests to keep you off our roads.
To all younger Labour supporters who have not retired their mortgages, be prepared for at least 20% interest on current loans when Mr Ed’s Fairy Finance guru stuffs the economy.
Best of luck National. Now, like never before, NZ needs you!
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September 22, 2017 8:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Clive Matthew-Wilson is a goose.
  Until recently he was driving a 1957 Morris Oxford which he claimed was safer than any new car because he had retro-fitted it with a driver’s airbag.
  A less credible ‘road safety advocate’ it’s impossible to imagine.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:44am
  - igm
    
    Yes, but he is an ardent Labourite. Thought if he liked pommy cars he would at least choose a Zephyr, not a head cracking, rod throwing piece of shit made by BMC.
    
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    September 22, 2017 8:50am
  - Lance
    
    Yes, a Morris Oxford sacrifices it’s occupants to keep itself in shape during an accident.
    But the Morris Oxford looks better after a crash, and that’s all that matters.
    
    Twat
    
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    September 22, 2017 8:59am
    - ztev
      
      Did you not have a Datsun 120Y ?
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:09am
      - Lance
        
        ………………………………. no
        
        WTF?
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:13am
      - igm
        
        Had both 1200 SSS and 120Y SSS, 1200 being the better car. Poms reckoned the 1200 was a copy of their A40. Funny claim, the Datsun would do 100,000 miles trouble-free; A40 would need 10 heads, 5 blocks, 6 gearboxes, and 4 diffs to achieve 75,000 miles.
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:17am
      - starboard
        
        Did you not park your car on a bollard once ztrev?
        Your Ford Mondeo *snigger*..loser-mobile.
        
        ” one of them came up and is jammed under the car. I can’t get it off.”
        
        And you want to run the country?
        You and your lot couldn’t run a bath.
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:40am
      - ztev
        
        Starboard, running out of petrol a week before election shows how your lot do things
        
        Bill did much the same with the $30 bill Cullen fund ( which only had $9 bill put into it), hes borrowed against it to run up $90 bill in debt.
        
        Cupboard bare ? – hardly, even the cupboard has an IOU on it
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:47am
      - starboard
        
        When National took over from Liarbor eons ago, ACC was in debt to the tune of $300 000 000. Car rego was around 360 bucks a year..now ACC is rolling in coin and car rego is around 80-100 bucks a year. *BREAKING NEWS*..NZR own the pipeline and refinery. Liarbor knew about the issues back in 2005..why didn’t Hulun do something about it? Aww that’s right, she was too busy expanding her empire in Wellington..increasing pen pushing busy bodies by 70%
        Didn’t run out of ‘petrol’, fuel deliveries of 95 were halted so they could concentrate on Jet A1, allocating drivers to bridge fuel to storage.
        Bill has done what every good finance minister should do..borrow money when it’s cheap and invest in the countries infrastructure.
        Oh yeah, the treasonist cullen blew all the money that was in the kitty on a non profit making train set to ” teach the incoming National Government a lesson”
        
        Liarbor..as useful as a chocolate teapot.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:17am
      - Gruffydd
        
        The datsun 1600 motor was a ripped off Austin b series as used in the morrie oxford II.
        
        The Dat in Datsun was a jap built Austin 7 .
        
        The 120Y was a great little car.
        Until it disintegrated into a pile of rust at about five years old.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Is he ?
    
    I’ve found that he is one of very few commentators on road safety who makes any sense at all.
    
    I don’t doubt that he would be fully aware of any attendant dangers to driving what ever he drives.
    
    Each to their own.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:15am
    - igm
      
      As previously stated, he is a goose. His Dog and Lemon is prefaced by left-wing rhetoric and his actual knowledge of mechanics are negligible. Doubt if the loser could fire up a gas torch or read a micrometer; in fact have been told he does not know the difference between a socket and a ring spanner!
      
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      September 22, 2017 7:08pm
- ztev
  
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  Flatfish.
  
  Another day another lie from Bill English, when he said the largest party gets the first chance to form a government- Not.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:55am
  - srylands
    
    I have figured it out. You and The Standard communists think that if someone holds a different opinion they are “lying”.
    
    So you 2017 election slogan has become ‘lies”. Just like in 2014 it was “mass surveillance’.
    
    There are no lies. Just like 3 years ago there was no mass surveillance.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:01am
    - ztev
      
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      he claimed it was the ‘convention’ but then had unclaim it.
      Now hes claiming that ~~Col~~ Dr Jian Yang had told them all along about the Red Army universities he worked at, even though he used their civilian ‘cover names’ in his documentation.
      
      Oh dear , another MP who will make a quick exit over Xmas
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:13am
      - starboard
        
        Has Comrade Arden carried out any more flip-flops today trev?
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:42am
      - ztev
        
        national has a whole porch covered with its flip flops.
        Pike River flip flops
        And the mother of all flip flops. GST Increase
        
        “”National is not going to be raising GST. National wants to cut taxes, not raise taxes.”
        NZ Herald had video of that election promise he later broke
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10625326
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:53am
      - kowtow
        
        Hey Nationalistas
        
        You have to agree the Comrade Yang business is fishey .
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:17am
      - starboard
        
        Grooan. No wonder you are in opposition.
        Yes, National increased GST but you conveniently left out that they also reduced personal tax.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:03am
  - Lance
    
    ztev
    That brainwashing has worked well for you.
    New hardwired response to anything about National will be “flatfish”
    You see how easy it will be to swap you out with a robot, you are already 80% there
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:02am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Do you support compuslory unionism ztev?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:07am
    - ztev
      
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      We will be ‘catching up with Australia’ who still have nationwide minimum pay rates.
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:15am
      - starboard
        
        Yes, they are doing well..check out Australia’s debt clock.
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:45am
      - ztev
        
        Their economy is 6-7 times bigger than ours.
        Their growth has been much better than ours over the last 9 years , wonder why ?
        
        You do realise that their standard of living is higher as well ?
        
        Rocks for brains
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:54am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        In Australia through the 00’s and into the 10’s any time a silly political party passed another economically destructive policy into law they could just dig more money up out of the ground to pay for it. Then the commodities boom ended. Their economy is now very badly set up to deal with reduced minerals demands – hence all the kiwis flooding home to the economy that has been well managed by National.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:02am
  - 4077th
    
    No need for milk on your cornflakes this morning eh Z-Trev? More than enough moisture with all your tears of impotent rage?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:38am
    - Gabby
      
      Back in the 8063rd we had porridge. Heard those other degenerates liked beer on their cornflakes.
      
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      September 22, 2017 6:34pm
- Flash
  
  Well as long as they provide a service to get me where I want to go from my rural home, at the time I want to go there, that’ll be fine with me.
  Or will I be forced to sell up and go live in a nice wee unit by the bus stop?
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:47am
tom hunter

And on the last day…. your

Jacinda Adern Slogan Generator

For every day of the week, month of the year – and first letter of your name!
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September 22, 2017 8:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Now is the time …. to bring social justice to …. the rich!”
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:45am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Comrades, we must make sure we eliminate the use of water.
  YAY! Single malt straight, no ice
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:52am
- calendar girl
  
  A games website this morning had advertisements popping up on either side of the main central panel, the advts changing with each page. Both National and Labour featured among the advertisers, Labour at least 20:1 in frequency v. National.
  
  The two National advts seen showed Bill English with captions “For Proven Leadership” and “For A Strong Team” – the latter including Paula Bennett in the photo.
  
  The repeated Labour advt showed a beautifully-presented and impressively-youthful Jacinda Ardern with an unchanging caption: “Party Vote Labour. We can’t afford to wait. It’s time”
  
  The message I took from the Labour effort told me nothing about Labour’s credentials for office. Instead it conveyed something akin to: ‘We must be in Government one day; it’s now about time we were given a go.’
  
  A message reflecting, in my view, Labour’s sense of presumption and entitlement, rather than its readiness to govern.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:52am
Captain Mainwaring

Labour Party got a fright
EI EI O
Installed Jacinda as their light
EI EI O
With a tax me here and a tax you there, everywhere a tax tax
They will tax you out of spite
EI EI O

They need the Greens to get them in
EI EI O
But the MOU is in the bin
EI EI O
With a Greenie here and a Winston there, everywhere a ‘win-win’
This looks like a tailspin
EI EI O

On Sunday we will all awaken
EI EI O
National will own the nation
EI EI O
With a back slap here and a high-five there, the land will be in jubilation
Labour back in hibernation
EI EI O
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September 22, 2017 8:41am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Buddy, you’re a worker, minding your business
  Doing your job, hoping to retire someday
  You own your own place, you big disgrace
  Making wise choices all over the place
  
  She will, she will, tax you
  She will, she will, tax you
  
  etc.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:14am
  - softail 1450
    
    nigel, and if your taxes explode you can thank jacinda to,
    ill see you on the bark side of the moon…..
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:05pm
  - GoVege
    
    Stop telling fibs, Nigel.
    
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    September 22, 2017 8:23pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Very good Captain
  
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  September 22, 2017 1:59pm
- Gabby
  
  That sounds pretty legal crusty, send a copy to jawsie.
  
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  September 22, 2017 6:45pm
duggledog

Far too much speculation the ‘youth vote’ will vote for Labour and / or the Greens.

I know a whole bunch of young males about to vote for the first time and they are all going National.

Why? Because all their male role models are doing exactly that, and have made their intention quite clear.

The other reason – even at that tender age, they have a highly tuned bull-shit-o-meter, which (we may have forgotten) is very ‘live’ at high school. It sometimes shocks me how cynical the younger generation is.

Nobody does bull shit like Labour (The Greens actually believe their own hype) and kids know that. Clean rivers, free this, free that, no more child poverty, whatever. They don’t buy it.
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September 22, 2017 8:42am
- ztev
  
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  What would you know outside your bubble.
  The people who do polls say differently, younger ( up to 36) people 60% are labour/greens
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:57am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Should central government set wage levels for businesses ztev?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:08am
    - ztev
      
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      Just the normal ‘fair pay’ agreements that are common in Australia. These will be the minimums
      
      https://www.fwc.gov.au/
      Fair Work Commission
      Australia’s national workplace relations tribunal
      
      The Howard Government set it all up from their existing system
      five statutory entitlements the Standard dealt with were:
      
      basic rates of pay and casual loadings
      maximum ordinary hours of work
      annual leave
      personal leave (including carer’s leave and compassionate leave)
      parental leave and related entitlements.
      basic hourly rates were guaranteed pay rates set by the Australian Fair Pay Commission.
      
      We have Employment Tribunals now, just use the Aussie Fair Pay system alongside that.
      
      Whats so terrible about a Fair Pay system, National you will note is NOT campaigning AGAINST labours Fair Pay proposals !!!
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:24am
  - KevOB
    
    I don’t nomally use expletive deleted words so I will hold my feelings in place.
    
    You misrepresent fact as truth. You remind me of one of the little old Labour “ladies” who attempted to beat my supporters around their heads with umbrellas.
    
    There is a peculiar “Labour character” with a belief that whatever it does is correct and defends that path with violence as needed. Verbal violence is just the start. Such a haplotype, and I suspect strongly that it is, is not fit to govern.
    
    Reason outranks violence of thought and action.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:18am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 22, 2017 6:46pm
- Nukuleka
  
  My 20 year old grand daughter, Maori/ PI, tells me she is voting National because ‘Labour will increase taxes’.
  
  Good girl! You learnt a few wise things whilst still small enough to sit on Poppa’s knee.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:58am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Good girl. She’ll do well in life.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  I’ve noticed the media doing a lot of talking during news coverage about how important it is for the youth demographic to enroll and vote if they’re to make a difference.
  
  News or thinly veiled advocacy?
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:19am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    There’s nothing ‘thinly veiled’ about it.
    
    The MSM have been one long advertisement for Labour and Ardern, and it’s picked up speed for the last day.
    
    How tragic is it that they’re all doing their absolute utmost to engineer a country with a government elected by a youth vote who have no idea of the real possible outcomes, ruled by a party of people who no idea of any real policy and its outcomes – right down to primary school. If they get into power, no-one but Labour and the MSM will get a say in running the country.
    
    There’s never been such a travesty of an election with the MSM going all out to ‘dumb down’ the population with ‘feel good’, ignorant decision-making. They might as well be trying to elect Angelina Jolie – perhaps she can stand for Labour next time.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:47am
    - KevOB
      
      Right on the spot again.
      
      Angelina Jolie: the dentistry is better too.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:22am
- 4077th
  
  Miss 4077th (20) first time voting made up her own mind that it’s Two Ticks Blue. Her comment, “not going to work my arse off so lazy people can play X-Box all day”. She is on-to-it. Tells me she has been educating her student friends who may blindly vote Labour. Seems they were interested to hear some basic facts.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:42am
Albert_Ross

I am made nauseous at the thought of National having to work with/for Winston, but what are the other putative NZ First MPs like? Is it feasible that something tolerable could emerge with NZ First under a different leader, or are they all as bad as each other?
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September 22, 2017 8:45am
- Happychappy
  
  Well the dischanted in National had a warning if you want stable Government vote National if you want a circus vote NZ First and it seems a few want the later.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:51am
  - ztev
    
    You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
    Peters and NZF might have 2 ministers outside cabinet with 6% of vote.
    Its not like 1996 when they had 13% to nationals 33%
    
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    September 22, 2017 8:59am
    - KevOB
      
      The molehill speaks to the mountain.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:26am
- MCos
  
  NZ1st under a different leader would be NZ who? by lunchtime.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:02am
s.russell

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4887222/Biblical-prophecy-predicts-Rapture-September-23.html

I am not sure if this is cause or effect, but surely this cannot be coincidence. ?
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September 22, 2017 8:45am
Simon

National will win. If the election was held 2 weeks ago Labo would have won. If the election was in a couple of weeks time National would win with a little more ease. National have got the trend.

Princess is a Marxist turd but has a nice smile. National better sort its shit out over the next 3 years.
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September 22, 2017 8:45am
Evadne

And once again the Herald leads with a picture of Adern and a live Q&A with her. Again.

Edit to add: Sorry, make that two pictures, the other one accompanying the “NZ goes to the polls” article.
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September 22, 2017 8:46am
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Given both peak immigration and peak Christchurch rebuild have passed by, the downturn in the Auckland market is going to impact on private investment – there may be a failure to reach Treasury growth forecasts if there is no Kiwi Build programme.

As for the gall to claim that National has a plan to reduce child poverty – they have not targeted assistance to this group as Labour would do. Those receiving the average amount and the peak amount under the tax cuts do not have children in poverty. That money should go into health instead.

National may think it politically astute to bribe people with tax cuts, but this leads to an increase in the rate paid to those over 65 in super. And ultimately may make it unaffordable. It’s not prudent, and their disregard for inputs to the Cullen Fund also demonstrates how short term their thinking really is.
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September 22, 2017 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  There’s no child poverty in New Zealand .
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:22am
  - ztev
    
    Bill found it during the first debate and wants to fix it – apparently
    
    But it will be like the backup pipeline and the new Manawatu Gorge rd, all in 2012 that went into the bin. We got a flag referendum instead.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:26am
    - kowtow
      
      Yeah both JK and Bill have disappointing referred to “child poverty”.
      They should be emphatic that it is actually relative poverty as measured by the below 60 % of median income.
      
      That relative poverty makes the poor of Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand very rich when compared to slum dwellers of Bombay for example.
      
      To repeat there is no true material poverty in New Zealand.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:24am
  - Gabby
    
    That’s why it takes a genius to lift 100,000 children out of poverty kobknob.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:05pm
- calendar girl
  
  So, SPC, it was fortuitous for the National Government that the Christchurch re-build came along to help them out ……… That’s a fresh perspective.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:24am
  - SPC
    
    No your straw-woman was.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:45am
Keeping Stock

Jacinda Ardern said in the first Hosking debate she would never lie. So why did she tell a big, fat porkie in Wainuiomata last night?

She told the audience Labour had to be good on the ground because it didn’t get the big donations that other parties got. I have news for you Ms Ardern; the Electoral Commission says otherwise.

http://www.elections.org.nz/parties-candidates/registered-political-parties/party-donations/donations-exceeding-30000/returns

$115k from retired Justice Robert Smellie, $100k from the Dairy Workers Union, $120k from E Tu Union, and even a couple of weeks ago, $65k from an individual donor. That’s just some of them!

That’s not chump change Ms Ardern. Isn’t it good we now have transparency over electoral donations, so parties can’t plead poverty on one hand, whilst banking cheques with the other.
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September 22, 2017 8:48am
- tom hunter
  
  It’s that $100k from the Dairy Workers that floors me. What the hell are they thinking? Or is this classic union stuff where the leadership is on a different planet from the real workers?
  
  IF – and I’d like to think Labour have retained enough sanity to push back hard against the Greens – a Green-Labour government follows through with all they’ve promised to unleash on the dairy sector, those Dairy Worker union folks are going to be a very unhappy bunch three years from now.
  
  Of course if they’re out of a job they’ll also be out of the union and unable to influence them. Perhaps the leadership is thinking the same: collateral damage to get Labour elected?
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:57am
  - cmm
    
    ” $100k from the Dairy Workers”
    
    No. It’s $100k from Dairy Workers’ Union.
    
    They work in all the dairy processing factories, not on the farms. Their milk comes in tanker trucks. It doesn’t come from cows.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:01am
    - tom hunter
      
      Heh! I should have included their full name and made sure to include the word, “union”.
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:12am
      - sooty
        
        So thars 100k that they took out off the workers mouths, was it.
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:45am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        E Tu took $120k out of members’ pickets Sooty.
        
        Of course E Tu is a merger of Andrew Little’s EPMU and the Service and Food Workers Union, which has history with picking the members’ pockets.
        
        http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2006/08/unionlabour_lin.html
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:21am
- ztev
  
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  And the $mills that national gets all up?
  
  Only the larger donations have to be declared and national is in thrall to the ‘patriotic chinese’- we all know what that means
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:02am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Why hasn’t Labour been shouting from the rooftops about its ERA reforms ztev?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:09am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    As usual you miss the point ztev. EVERY party’s donations are there for all to see.
    
    But Ardern said last night that Labour had to run better ground campaigns because they don’t get big donations. That’s an outright lie, as the Electoral Commission, the independent arbiter proves.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:39am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why ever haven’t Labour continued with their usual Chinese rhetoric then? 😉 Twyford usually isn’t it? Muzzled?
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:12am
- KKKKatee
  
  She’s told rather a few porkies throughout the campaign. How could anyone trust her is what I’d like to know. Her Communist leanings have done her a great disservice. The Nation isn’t ready to be ruled by a Communist. I can’t, for the life of me, understand how or why she’s a Communist in the first place. This campaign has been all about what she wants – and the opportunity to turn us into a bunch of Socialists has backfired on her. Go away Jacinda – hardworking, taxpaying Kiwis don’t want to be dictated to by you and your shonky band of sycophants.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:33am
  - Gabby
    
    You’d have picked up a few wrinkles on hiding big contributions in hongkong wouldn’t you kakkee. Like you could bankroll a thinktank that does publicity work that just happens to back a certain party couldn’t you.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:10pm
krazykiwi

More than 800,000 early votes have been cast. Given …

⛔ the lack of security around voting and ballot box storage; and,

⛔ the inclination for parties to make new/changed/reversed policy announcements right up until polling day

… I think early voting should be abandoned or limited. Either way, this process should be subject to much stricter controls.

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September 22, 2017 8:49am
- cmm
  
  Not to mention all the extra cost of running the polling stations for two weeks instead of just one or two days.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:58am
  - ztev
    
    Always had advance/early voting.
    
    Its an election for the voters, not the other way round as it allows people to get on with what they do on Saturday.
    Now of course with early voting that allows enrol and vote at same time
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:05am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Its an election for the voters
      
      Quite. How many of those 800,000 know their ballot paper was taken home in the backseat of someone’s car every night for weeks (or until it was tampered with, whichever happens first)?
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:12am
      - ztev
        
        And you have proof that happened last time ?
        
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        September 22, 2017 9:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t care that the ballot boxes get taken home by Electoral Commission officials.
        
        Its Jacinda that has a problem with NZ Public servants’ ethics.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97038273/election-advance-voting-ballot-boxes-taken-home-by-electoral-officials
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:07am
      - cmm
        
        ztev: Jacinda raised this concern. Please toe the line, or tow the line – either are acceptable.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:57am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And not checking id’s, they only asked for my name.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:09am
    - GoVege
      
      I told you Rachael. ..you have an honest face! 🙂
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:40am
    - KevOB
      
      I’D has never been checked. The check is for the name on the roll which is crossed off by the voting official. The rolls are checked subsequently for multiple voting.
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:24am
      - SPC
        
        Yup, you can vote again and again but at some point all votes but one will be deleted and you will face some sort of questioning.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:12pm
      - KevOB
        
        @SPC
        …you will face some sort of questioning.
        Prosecution is an almost certain outcome.
        
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        September 22, 2017 4:24pm
      - Piniwi
        
        True KevOB. Offshore voters have to have their signed ballot paper witnessed and signed. Been savouring it for polling day as it can be done in the privacy of your own home. Print, make the marks, scan to PDF and email to the appropriate place. Love technology.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And where do they find the people to man them?
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:14am
- SPC
  
  The GOP has a programme you would love – requiring people without cars to have a DL to vote. And have places one get a DL on the other side of the city.
  
  There are others, limiting polling places in some areas to use large queues to deter voting.
  
  PS The strategy you suggest works best if voters without their own transport face poor weather. Saturday seems OK.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:05am
- pdm
  
  Early voting should be at the Court House only – just like in the old days.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:08am
  - SPC
    
    I voted at a (former) Configure gym.
    
    One tick red, one tick green.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:25am
    - starboard
      
      You might as well just have said ” Im a fcukwit everyone”…
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:26am
      - Brito
        
        He did. I read the message clearly. Even Griff and House Elf probably saw that too.
        
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        September 22, 2017 8:59pm
    - rangitoto
      
      If your team wins you will need to learn to shoot rabbits:
      
      http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/09/14/551026492/let-them-eat-rabbit-is-venezuelan-presidents-response-to-food-shortages
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:34am
  - ztev
    
    Rubbish. Polling booths havent been in Courthouses for a long long time. Most small ones were closed a long time ago
    Mostly in Church halls the ones Ive been too
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:32am
    - pdm
      
      Ztev you Dickhead – I was referring to early votes ie Special Votes which should be the only early votes cast.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:25am
      - softail 1450
        
        pdm…speaking of dickheads whats happened to gabby ?
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:11pm
      - Gabby
        
        Speaking of fat underpowered girly bikes where’s softcock?
        
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        September 22, 2017 7:13pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      “the ones Ive been too”
      So how many times have you voted so far??
      
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      September 22, 2017 2:20pm
- SPC
  
  The fear of a large turnout is suggestive of unease …
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:12am
- Flash
  
  Perhaps I should go into our one polling booth and ask where the voting papers are stored over night –
  And is there any way of checking (after the event) whether my vote was actually presented for counting?
  Not wanting to seem paranoid . . . .
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:59am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Don’t worry, if you voted for greens or labour, then your vote will be counted, if you voted for anyone else, then you obviously are not the right person to vote in this country, so your vote is null anyway and therefore not counted.
    You’re welcome for the explanation 🙂
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:11am
  - Gabby
    
    Asking that wouldn’t arouse any suspicion at all flush.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:15pm
- Gabby
  
  Of course if a filthy lying stinker of a leftie said that they’d be panicking wouldn’t they kraykray.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:12pm
oldpark

Memo to Pensioners and Superannuands. Are you tired of Commie Chic Comrade Ardern with her daily rant of “My Generation”.Do you feel undervalued and ignored by her rants and raves.It is the Commie way to divide and conquer the masses. Her theme appears to be “Ageism” and “Elder abuse “is not a problem.
After all which so called Leader can put the boot into NZs most vunerable,and make sure they will be denied an increase in their Superannuation payments.
What it seems is anyone who does not feel part of Commie Chic Comrade Arderns “My Generation”.
The answer, it is your time to shine. Make your vote counts in NZs interest and your own families.
Your Country Needs You. “Two Ticks Blue” .
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September 22, 2017 8:49am
- ztev
  
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  The old fart has spoken
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:05am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 22, 2017 12:46pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:16pm
- GoVege
  
  That’s B/S oldpark!
  Jacinda has demonstrated her concern for the older generation by her attention to her elderly grandparents.
  She is a great role model for grandchildren.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:32pm
SPC

Elections are revealing of a certain cynicism.

Joyce, Cassandra like or Trump lite, once again saying look at their hole. Thing is the more limited new spending available to Labour is because they have declared their allocations for health and education whereas National have not.

Blinglese says he will now address and reduce child poverty by the resort to the National past-time of reducing taxes across the board (those who earn more get most of the money). If this was a successful method for doing this, we would have seen more evidence for the approach’s veracity.

In this tough field DPF is surprisingly competitive.

A champion of a more sustainable super policy, to resort to championing the glory of National’s largesse on tax cuts as a boost to the amount paid in super to influence anyone over 65 greedy enough to let it sway their vote.

The increased future cost grows and grows. Votes of old people now, at what cost to the youth of tomorrow?
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September 22, 2017 8:51am
- Evadne
  
  Your last sentence: “The increased future cost grows and grows. Votes of old people now, at what cost to the youth of tomorrow?” could be describing the Labour party’s view on super.
  
  Jacinda has vowed not to raise the pension age, which would certainly impact the youth of tomorrow.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:12am
  - SPC
    
    1. The cost of super will be lower under Labour policy of WFF tax credits.
    2. the Cullen Fund would be larger under Labour and thus mitigate the future cost as well.
    3. The Labour leader is not going to be PM in 2037, so there is no impact on the decision to increase the age from 65 to 67 between 2037 and 2040.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:19am
- tf78
  
  National have covered all sectors in their 2017 budget – Labour don’t know what a budget is. (nor do their mayors)
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:19am
- oldpark
  
  @Ztev
  You sound just like “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern with your nasty attack.You must be part of Arderns ” My Generation”. Divide and conquer. I dont think most bloggers here agree with your type of ‘Ageism’ and “Elder Abuse Comments”. Of course you could do with some mental health medication. You are after all, only repeating the theme of “Commie Chic” Comrade Arderns comments on” My Generation”.
  Wonder how David Views your nasty Labour Party attacks.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:45am
  - Gabby
    
    You sound just like oldfart.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:21pm
Chuck Bird

I can see a National NZF government getting a fifth term. Winston will not want to be seen as causing the end of NZF by creating problems. However, if the haters like were in the Bolger government go out of their way to undermine him we could see a few terms of a Labour government,

Labour will have a difficult time in 2020 in Jacinda is still leader. She will have no excuse for not having a clear tax policy.
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September 22, 2017 8:53am
- krazykiwi
  
  She won’t be there. Taxinda is a stalking horse, a Manchurian candidate maneuvered into the limelight to get Labour across the line.
  
  The dirty paws of Clark and Cullen are all over this.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:59am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Disappointed Helen Clark painted picture owner by all accounts, they paid 4k for it apparently wanted eleven. How cynical of them to think that election time and Helen being in the country would get it over the line. No bids at all.
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:20am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Why else is Mr 7% still lurking at number 3 on Labour’s list?
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:50am
cmm

A foreign teacher having a cry: and of course nothing is his fault: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11924965

“There’s thousands of teachers in the UK who would love to come here and teach, who would find Auckland house prices not that expensive, and who would love New Zealand kids,” he wrote.

A teacher that can’t get grammar right, it would seem.
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September 22, 2017 8:57am
- itstricky
  
  Quiet day?
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:04am
- Lance
  
  Whew… dodged at least 2 whining poms
  Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:09am
  - cmm
    
    Joke: old as hell, but still worth a laugh:
    
    How can you tell the British Airways plane without looking?
    
    It still keeps whining even when the engines are turned off.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:23am
    - Jack5
      
      My family’s been in NZ since my great-grandfather, CMM, and we don’t mind Brits.
      
      What is it with you Jaapies? Are you still pissed off about the Boer War?
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:57am
      - cmm
        
        Sorry mate I’m no Jaapie. My grandfathers both fought for the Brits and I only became fluent in Afrikaans because it was the ligua franca of the army.
        
        The Brits of old were far more resilient. The modern “winging Pom” types can’t even hold onto their country let alone an empire.
        
        Anyway, Brits love self-deprecating jokes. They’re the first to laugh.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Fair enough, CMM. So Jaapies are Afrikaaners only. My apologies.
        
        Afrikaaners may be hard headed, but they also have some qualities that are admirable. A minor but telling tribute to them was the Royal Marine commandos adopting Sarie Marais as their official marching song. When it mentions the “khakis”, that includes some of great grandad’s family and other Kiwis, as well as your progenitors.
        
        Though it’s not only the Brits who aren’t as resilient as their grandparents and great-grandparents. The pioneer generations of NZ settlers were self-reliant and staunch.
        
        https://youtu.be/hLBBxXyFV-M
        
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        September 22, 2017 5:57pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Cheers cmm. Almost as good as the old faithful. Poms have two moving parts. A mouth and an anus which are interchangeable.
      Lucky break for them
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:11pm
- tf78
  
  Who would be stupid enough to move to a new country for any job without having all their paperwork in order.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:20am
  - cmm
    
    Someone who has dodgy paperwork and hope the sheep farmers in the colonies are too stupid to check?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:25am
  - Jack5
    
    I thought the teachers’ points were reasonable. The Immigration Department seems to have been one of the hold-ups.
    
    If they were Muslim clerics, of Muslim teachers for one of the Islamic private schools, they would probably have got quick clearance.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:46am
- Jack5
  
  I would check the reporters’ grammar first. She/he might have been “correcting” the teachers.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:44am
  - cmm
    
    “I would check the reporters’ grammar first”
    
    That’s even worse!
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:53am
    - Jack5
      
      Sorry CMM, reporter’s grammar.
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:18am
      - cmm
        
        I gave you the benefit of the doubt. There might have been two of them.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:05pm
- Gabby
  
  A teacher WHO cmmiebokkie
  ..who doesn’t know how much more s/he’s being paid in pomland.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:24pm
oldpark

Talk about scraping the barrel for the sympathy vote. Even the term the dance of the desperate dosnt beat the “ghoulish” way by Commie Chic Comrade Ardern and her sicko power crazy handlers to get maximum publicy for the main game,Votes. Shame on you Ardern and your handlers.
Using the death of her grannys’ funeral today as publicity to get the sympathy vote. All her arse licking sycophants will be there. Picture,Print ,Sound. Making sure it will be on tonights Television News .
To prove the point,tomorrow there is legally no electioneering and a much quieter day. The same media can be at the funeral. Except that type of publicity,will be too late for maximum vote gouging publicity. Talk about a Low rent move ,using grannys funeral, that type of backstreet trick belongs in the gutter with the dirty calculating Lie-bour Party. “Two Ticks Blue”
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September 22, 2017 9:04am
- ztev
  
  Hahahahaha.
  Three years in a row
  Time to go
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:07am
- cmm
  
  Just need a good quote:
  
  “My granny was hoping to live another few days for me to be PM. Make her wish come true.”
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:09am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Is this the same granny who booed her grandaughter when Cindy was making a speech?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:58am
    - cmm
      
      Link? Gotta see this!
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:54am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Sorry cmm, it wasn’t a good week for me to keep track of everything. I believe the quote from Cindy was in one of the farming papers. Cindy’s grandmother, a national supporter attended one of her early candidate speeches as grandmother’s do to support their grandchildren. Cindy was quoted as saying her “grandmother was in the front row and she was pretty sure granny joined in the booing of her farming policy.”
        
        I remember thinking granny must be very proud of her granddaughter’s socialist views. //
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:14am
      - cmm
        
        Thanks wg. Maybe that’s why this isn’t being milked in the media. They don’t want to say the old bird died of shame.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:08pm
      - Gabby
        
        Gettin a bit norsty orntiu cmmiebokkie.
        
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        September 22, 2017 7:32pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  And now a petititon to allow the votes of voters who have died before election day to be counted. I wonder whether granny voted.
  Election day is a moment in time like census day. That is when you are supposed to be alive to be counted.
  Next it will be “I turn 18 the day after election day surely I should be allowed to vote”.
  Dead before the day don’t count. Too young before the day don’t count.
  Early voting is for convenience only, not to lock in the vote of someone who is going to die, even if an accident an unexpected.
  If they are dead they will not benefit from whatever government is in power, talk about wanting to rule from the grave.
  Heaven help us when Helen dies.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    It will be just like when Diana died. Whaling in the street. Royal procession, thousands of flowers. Not!
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:52am
    - RalphT
      
      Wailing in the streets surely? Under the MOU with the Greens I think there would be a prohibition on whaling.
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:58am
  - Gabby
    
    How d’you reckon they’ll go about checking fluffer? Ring everybody who voted early?
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:34pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Thanks f.k. It will be time to laugh again tomorrow when the shrieking starts after the yoof can’t register to vote. Tough titty.
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:19pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  It would also surely have been possible for the funeral to be delayed until after the election.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:23am
- Gabby
  
  Oldfart, you just want your funeral to be used to get votes.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:30pm
cmm

Cindy really has her head in a tiny echo chamber:

“I feel like we’re in the running to form a Government.” Yup, feelz is bedda than facts!

Ardern says she has “huge admiration” for Little.
“There’s probably not a week that’s gone by that he hasn’t messaged me and said, ‘you’re doing a great job, let me know what I can do to help’…

So he’s contacting you every week during an election cycle to lick your ego! What amazing support.

What’s he doing the rest of the week? Sharpening his knife?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97116361/live-last-day-of-election-race
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September 22, 2017 9:07am
Lance

I see Gower was in full lefty meltdown on the AM show.
Laughable hysterical ranting about the evils of Bill English and Joyce and how low they have bought NZ democracy

It was amusing to see
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September 22, 2017 9:07am
- ztev
  
  Flatfish
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:08am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    What does the word “comrade” bring to mind ztev?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:10am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And Chris Trotter singing he communist dirge.
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:25am
      - Lance
        
        And Godwining FFS
        “National using tactics straight out of Mein Kampf”
        
        Sigh
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:44pm
      - Gabby
        
        Trotsker considers the red flag to be excessively monosyllabic.
        
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        September 22, 2017 7:38pm
    - Gabby
      
      Our brave lads facing down Rommel, Sebaceous Bum.
      
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      September 22, 2017 7:37pm
  - Lance
    
    The beauty of brainwashing in action.
    Exhibit ztev
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:10am
  - Gabby
    
    Jawsie’s pretty honest.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:35pm
- itstricky
  
  Laughable hysterical ranting
  
  Nope folks, no hysterical ranting to be had here, none whatsoever.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:12am
lifesgood

I really can’t fathom this huge push to get people enrolled to vote. My opinion is that if you haven’t enrolled you are not interested so whatever government is elected you just have to live with. I think some of the things going on in this election have been disgraceful, like the electoral Commission staff going to a gangs headquarters to enrol them and a teacher marching her whole class down to enrol and vote…no guesses who they would be encouraged to vote for. There has been more than enough advertising to enrol, if you don’t bother, your loss.
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September 22, 2017 9:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Yes. Trying to get people interested in the issues makes sense. Once they are interested, they will not need encouragement to actually vote. But persuading people to vote when they aren’t interested doesn’t achieve anything.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:22am
- kowtow
  
  Comrade , it’s a sign of our times. There’s no or little concept of personal responsibility. It’s all Hi I’m from the gummint and I’m here to help.
  As with Cindy’s message , we’ll house you, we’edukate you , we’ll feed and clothe you.
  
  No personal responsibility.
  
  The state gets bigger and bigger all the time. Even under a supposedly right wing gummint.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:35am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And parental job not teachers, I imagine it would be compulsory during the proposed ‘Civics’ classes.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:27am
itstricky

Using the death of her grannys’ funeral as publicity to get the sympathy vote

But, oldpark, many KBers berated her for “not showing for interviews” because she was “too chicken” without knowing what happened. So just another of damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenarios.

Being someone of advanced years, presumably, I’m sure you would understand that.
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September 22, 2017 9:10am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Its rather tricky though that she was cancelling interviews before her grandmother died, she must have been prescient.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:28am
  - itstricky
    
    What are you trying to say?
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:00am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Just in case you are seriously trying to infer that I was insinuating that she killed her grandmother to get sympathy and prove why she couldn’t go to the interviews… FUCK OFF!
      I was saying that she cancelled the interviews long before her grandmother died. You f*cking leftist twats can’t help using death and personal tragedy to push your own agendas is just SICK!
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:15am
      - itstricky
        
        Calm down. Don’t jump off the deep end and into some weird kind of altered reality.
        
        I was asking you to clarify the inferred meaning of your statement.
        
        I was saying that she cancelled the interviews long before her grandmother died.
        
        Did she? And again, what are you trying to say?
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:54am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Don’t jump off the deep end and into some weird kind of altered reality.
        
        That horse bolted long ago.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:59am
      - Gabby
        
        She might have had an inkling dafukkiduppa.
        
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        September 22, 2017 7:43pm
      - Gabby
        
        He doesn’t know what dafukkidis he’s trying to say. Price of fucknutitude.
        
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        September 22, 2017 7:44pm
cmm

Public Service Announcement

This week end we change to daylight saving time. Yes folks that means:

CHECK YOUR FIREARMS!

Give them an oiling.
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September 22, 2017 9:15am
- Piniwi
  
  Breaking news. Uber has had it’s operating licence stripped in London. Effective end of September.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:45pm
Happychappy

Has a different ztev turned out to post this morning and how many do Labour have.
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September 22, 2017 9:16am
- Lance
  
  This is ztev model 43.275 this morning
  
  The trainwreck model
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:24am
  - calendar girl
    
    Where’s Mikenmild in the lively pre-Election period?
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:00am
    - waikatogirl
      
      mm been banned for calling DPF a liar. What a week to get yourself banned.?
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:04am
      - starboard
        
        Tee hee..hi MM, bet its been a looooong week for you
        remember now..2 ticks Blue.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:20am
    - BananaLlama
      
      MM is banned for hitting people over the head with bike locks like ANTIFA.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:06am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Now now Milky no need to downtick everyone just stop smashing statues like an ISIS lunatic.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:51am
  - cmm
    
    The ztevs are getting purged on Monday.
    
    If you let down the Commies you’re a counterrevolutionary. Kneel next to the ditch.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:57am
    - RF
      
      You won’t feel a thing. Maybe hear the beginning of a shot in your left ear and then total silence.
      
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      September 22, 2017 3:32pm
- Gabby
  
  They go right through from atev crappy. So that’s twice as many as your teeth.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:47pm
MrTips

Some things to ponder:

1. Bugger all yoof have enrolled. Even worse than 2014. And they won’t rush out today on their last chance. Corin Dann is SSFOS.
2. National cleaned up in 2014
3. NZF and the Greens are polling less than 2014
4. TOP is tits and not worth talking about, other than their NZF vote stealing ability
5. Winston probably won’t last the next 3 yrs as pollie – hasn’t got it in him.

I will therefore not be surprised that NZ hasn’t figured this out and Nats could do it with ACT or Maori alone
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September 22, 2017 9:22am
- smttc
  
  But but but Gareth says TOP will get 10%-13%
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Have Maori shown any loyalty to National?
  
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  September 22, 2017 1:52pm
oldpark

Just to reiterate an earlier blog of a few days ago
A very important candidate will be with voters when they exercise their democratic right to vote.
It is called “Common Sense”. It will be the result and perception,how Lie-bours “Commie Chic Comrade Ardern” set out to deceive the voters of NZ with the grand scam of vote for us and we will talk taxes after the election.
NZs who were being led by the nose ,by the “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern woke up to the scam. Ardern panicked and flip flopped, on CGT.only until further notice. That could be Saturday Night when her joined at the hip Green Party insists to once more put the CGT on the table. As well as new personal income tax grab from your wages.
So the grand plan of “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern and her puppet masters will be re-born. Even if it means crucifying their so called faithful voters with a much reduced type of lifestyle ,which most hardworking NZs enjoy today. Two Ticks Blue”. Remember to use “Common Sense” when you do your voting.”Two Ticks Blue”.
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September 22, 2017 9:26am
- cmm
  
  The bigger con is the attempt at rebranding to the Jacinda Party.
  
  All Labour did was change around two MPs. It is still just Andy-era 25%-polling Labour inside the box.
  
  It took the people a bit of time to figure that out, but they have and Labour is in free fall. Could easily lose another few %.
  
  Remember the last poll was conducted between 13th and 20th September. There’s a whole lot of Jadazzle that has fallen off in the last week.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:06am
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu oldfart.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:49pm
Evadne

Amidst all the “sky is falling” hysteria of the media about the recent fuel “crisis” is this very revealing paragraph:

“Aucklanders too, deserve credit. The thing that would have made this a real crisis would have been panic buying early in the week. But the city appears to have kept calm, when for any individual, it made sense to immediately buy fuel.” https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/97097666/pipeline-crisis-undermines-nationals-claim-to-being-the-government-of-infrastructure

So we have an admission that the only thing that would actually have made a crisis out of this would be the panic buying of Aucklanders – a reaction the media were doing their best to whip up with their breathless reporting of which stations had run out of 95 (etc).

But, despite the media’s best efforts to make this out to be a “crisis”…Aucklanders remained calm. There wasn’t the slightest hint of panic, worry, queues, shortages, or any indication on any forecourt anywhere that there was a problem. Because there wasn’t. Just the media trying to make one.

In the immortal words of Katie Bradford “whatever we say, whatever we do” we can’t create a crisis.

It’s official: New Zealanders don’t believe the media.
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September 22, 2017 9:27am
- ztev
  
  2012, national government dismissed proposals to increase security of supply such as 2nd pipeline
  
  “Ardern pointed to a 2012 Cabinet paper which raised the possibility of a new fuel terminal in West Auckland, costing around $57 million”
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:34am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    Did she point to the 2005 report as well?
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:42am
    - ztev
      
      Wasnt a cabinet paper in 2005. ( Hint cabinet papers are when they get a chance to agree/disagree)
      
      But in 2012 national DID decide to increase the petrol tax an extra 9c per litre above the annual CPI increase
      Oh dear, tax increase did go through but not the extra security of supply
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:01am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        I didn’t call it a cabinet paper.
        
        I’ll repeat my question just so you can have another crack at avoiding the question:
        
        Did she point to the 2005 report as well? <———
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:12am
  - Evadne
    
    So? There are hundreds of cabinet papers raising the possibility of all sorts of things. In the world of rainbows and unicorns you can have whatever you want. For the rest of us, experienced in running households and businesses, we know that spending choices need to be made based on priorities, pragmatism, and cost-benefit. Perhaps it is worth re-considering the various options, and whose responsibility they are, and the likelihood of a repeat incident. Perhaps the same decision would be made, even with hindsight. But I don’t blame National, or the Labour party before them, for either decision.
    
    But in the meantime, we have a burst pipe, contingency plans swinging into action (managed extremely well by the various involved parties, including and outstanding Judith Collins and the NZDF) with our largest city fully supplied with the fuel it needs for land transport (without any rationing, restriction or shortage), airlines managing fuel supplies according to their established protocols, and a few thousand disrupted passengers. It’s inconvenient and annoying for them, but every traveller has tales of delayed and cancelled flights, but most people cope.
    
    Hardly a crisis.
    
    (But I do note that in your partisan need to Blame National you make no response to the actual content of post, which was the media cynically trying to generate a crisis where there isn’t one.)
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:54am
  - Ross12
    
    BS ztev. After 2012 the holding capacity at Auckland Airport was doubled according a report yesterday.
    That is action –more than was done in 2005.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:59am
- itstricky
  
  Because there wasn’t. Just the media trying to make one
  
  Really? Because all I read was “some stations ran out of fuel”
  
  Was that the truth, or not? Why was it “breathless”?
  
  Talk about trying to manufacture a crisis…
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:57am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Filled up today, no waiting, no others in line no issues. Life as per normal. cheers Judith Collins, job well done, along with the helpers swinging into action as we need, the Defence Force.
  Labour doesn’t like defence forces they cut budgets, nor do the Greens.
  
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  September 22, 2017 12:58pm
- Gabby
  
  whatever we say, whatever we do, jawsie will lie his arse off.
  I remember.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:51pm
waikatogirl

The Big W, an Aussie retail outlet has had a 6% drop in sales, or $150,000 loss after taking “Christmas” off their signage. Boxes containing Christmas decorations/trees no longer have Christmas on the box.
Said to appease other religions, this marketing change has instead resulted in a campaign by customers to boycott the store.
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September 22, 2017 9:38am
- Inandout
  
  Other retailers will pick up the slack.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:48am
  - calendar girl
    
    Yes, but Big W, with its shallow virtue-signalling, will take a slap for playing around with the values and traditions of the vast majority of Australians.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:05am
- Piniwi
  
  Noted waikatogirl. Here at home the RED SHED Warehouse has just recorded a massive drop in profit. Is this subliminal message for voters?
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:56pm
dime

Dime was a bit busy yesterday so didnt get to comment much.

But holy shit, how funny was it watching chompers throw the gweens under the bus in the final debate lmao
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September 22, 2017 9:40am
- SPC
  
  Not as funny as National choosing to talk to both NZF and Greens if they cannot form a government with ACT and MP. And Greens saying sure, once they have talked to Labour first.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:51am
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    national are good like that. not toal nutjob idealogues.
    
    youre a strange dude if you think that is more major than coming up with an MOU, doing press conferences about it. saying youll deal with them first then throwing them under the bus cause a little wimp like hosking applies subtle pressure.
    
    shes weak and you all know it.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:00am
    - ztev
      
      You watch the maori party throw national under the bus come Sunday.
      
      Anyway the MOU had 4 names on it . Shaw was the only one left as a leader.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:04am
      - dime
        
        “Anyway the MOU had 4 names on it . Shaw was the only one left as a leader.”
        
        scary how unstable the left are eh!
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:09am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Wow, apologist.
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:37am
    - SPC
      
      You miss my point, that Greens would talk to National, after Labour.
      
      As for the MOU it only lasts to election day and the only thing left of it is the agreement to talk to each other first.
      
      And you seem to misunderstand the role of a party leader, it is to maximise their party vote. That applies regardless of the agreement to work together to remove the incumbent seeking to govern alone.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:15am
      - dime
        
        so yeah, Jacinda threw them under the bus.
        
        first cab of the rank for a phone call which will go
        
        “gonna talk to winston, may get back to you, cheers”
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:18am
      - SPC
        
        The Greens are all about the government policy results, they do not aspire to ministerial cars.
        
        If a Labour-NZ First coalition enacts policy they are happy with they will back it.
        
        But if taken for granted, there remains opportunity for National to talk to them. But in return for policy concessions not just a minority position around a table.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:26am
      - waikatogirl
        
        SPC: “The Greens are all about the government policy results, they do not aspire to ministerial cars.”
        
        If the greens have their way ministerial cars will be dispensed with and MP’s will be issued with their very own electric bicycles, colour coded for each party. ?
        
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        September 22, 2017 11:23am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin tardy
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:52pm
SPC

Is there going to be an official pick the result thread?

I want a chocolate fish.

Disclosure. I picked the 43-41 margin the last time Labour won.
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September 22, 2017 9:49am
- SteveRemmington
  
  “Disclosure. I picked the 43-41 margin the last time Labour won.”
  
  I’m sorry bro but if that’s your greatest success or claim to fame in 9 years you are one sad motherfucker!
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:56am
  - SPC
    
    I don’t know your mother.
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:11am
    - SteveRemmington
      
      I wouldn’t think you would.
      
      My mother is quite fastidious about her partners having a reasonable level of personal hygiene.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:23am
      - SPC
        
        A wild guess, you’ve heard the term cheap shot a few times in your life.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:28am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        Oh stop being a crybaby. I’m just pulling your chain.
        
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        September 22, 2017 10:46am
      - Gabby
        
        Plural there rimmers? Keeps busy then?
        
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        September 22, 2017 7:53pm
starboard

Swap the name to HMS Lairbor..

https://youtu.be/9vST6hVRj2A
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September 22, 2017 10:04am
- Brito
  
  Hey Starboard, who’s this ztev thingy? Is he an ex-Pole perhaps or a deep sleeper ex Soviet spy? There seems to be a common thread amongst his posts – subvert, subvert…kill the intelligentsia…banish argumentative types to the gulag.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:30am
  - starboard
    
    a transgender Liarbour flunky, no not Hulun..
    
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    September 22, 2017 10:38am
    - RF
      
      It’s under your nose….. think female…..
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:08am
    - stigie
      
      Does he know the professor Peter by any chance..?
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:21am
    - sam green
      
      Hilary Clinton?
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:33am
MCos

At the beginning of last month National was sleepwalking to an easy win in this election.
Labour was all over the place.
Along came Jacinda who made Bill & that finance bloke suddenly look like yesterday’s newspapers.
Problem for Labour once the dust settled they were still all over the place.
I don’t think National deserves another term. They may be OK in the bean counting department, but there’s still big problems with housing, health, infrastructure, pollution
They’re like a rugby team who keep the ball in the forwards and won’t feed the backs.
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September 22, 2017 10:20am
- Happychappy
  
  Actually Cos very truthful and one of your best posts but changing Governments and just tossing unlimited amounts of money at a problem wont fix it anyway and there will be other problems like unemployment because of having Unions coming back to help Labour implement a dictatorship for workers on our economy.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:34am
  - itstricky
    
    just tossing unlimited amounts of money at a problem wont fix it
    
    National’s policy suggestions seem to be nothing but “we’ll toss X million at it” so I’m not sure how they are different in that respect.
    
    other problems like unemployment because of having Unions coming back to help Labour implement a dictatorship for workers on our economy
    
    You don’t find that a bit overstated and dramatic?
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:15am
wiseowl

Anyone keen enough to back Jacinda in the first race at Addington dogs today?

Maybe Dangerous Pony at Taupo today will be a better bet.
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September 22, 2017 10:25am
Manolo

Mamma Merkel electoral moment approaches:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/merkels-party-dips-poll-still-way-ahead-sunday-083338507.html
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September 22, 2017 10:31am
- BananaLlama
  
  Merkel is a real laugh talking about voting for parties that obey the German constitution when she cant even obey her own countries laws when it comes to refugees.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:47am
- Gabby
  
  She’ll have evry other useful party lined up for coalition already.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:56pm
Tarquin North

The Endevour was anchored off the Ruakaka race course last night – very close to the beach. Looked cool all lit up, must be waiting to fill up at the refinery.
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September 22, 2017 10:31am
Jack5

Further evidence of what a disaster NZ’s immigration system has been – for generations.

More diversity dividends in Auckland.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11924968
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September 22, 2017 10:39am
- GoVege
  
  Apart from the middle aged illiterate women, what makes you think these poor people are immigrants?
  They sound more like victims of “our fertility” as espoused by some moronic “leaders”.
  Absolutely shocking…including that this information has been censored.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:12am
  - GoVege
    
    This is my main reason for voting against National.
    How could any NZ government let the average price of a house in the main city get to a MILLION dollars???
    Is it any wonder we have young pregnant girls forced to share beds with teenage boys?
    And instead of doing something urgently, our authorities want to shut this news down because a few people might have an inkling of the identity of the family?
    Pathetic!
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:41am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Is it any wonder we have young pregnant girls forced to share beds with teenage boys?
      
      High house prices are responsible for teenagers having sex. Got it.
      
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      September 22, 2017 12:24pm
      - GoVege
        
        If 2 or more teenagers of opposite genders have to share a bed, the consequences are inevitable.
        Of course, the boys should sleep on the floor IMO.
        
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        September 22, 2017 4:13pm
    - Ross12
      
      Go Vege
      The only effective way ANY government could stopped the house price was to somehow get the banks to raise interest rates significantly and for them to limit lending to the sector in some way.
      There was no way they could do that and the same applied to Governments overseas.
      Even if they did manage to get interest rates up the clever ones would have found a way to borrow off shore.
      
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      September 22, 2017 1:24pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maybe Ross, but they could have stopped so many people coming to Auckland.
        Personally, I think more people should have moved down the line, and bought a much cheaper house there.
        But most of the poor are Maori or Polynesian and they are extremely attached to their families and want to be close to them.
        Maori in particular have the problem of their kids getting involved in gangs in the provinces.
        
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        September 22, 2017 4:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        GoVege, these type of immigrants feel the cold. They can’t cope with the climate in Auckland. They find the houses are cold and get sick .(They don’t realise that Western style houses need air coming in and circulating to stop mould, but that’s another thing).
        
        How would these folk cope in southern winters?
        
        We’ll let Auckland keep them.
        
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        September 22, 2017 5:36pm
      - Ross12
        
        I agree GoVege that getting people out of Auckland is the long term answer. For that to happen businesses (and therefore jobs) have to move out.
        I’ve said it a few times that if business owners/managers asked themselves if they really needed to be in Auckland ( given modern communications , technology etc.) many of the honest ones would say they did not need to be there and could easily operate from somewhere else.
        But this sort of move is not going to happen from government policies. Maybe innovative Councils could create conditions to encourage a move.
        ( innovations like Invercargill did with zero fees for students but something applied to businesses).
        In the end it is up to businesses.
        
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        September 22, 2017 6:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    Cos the fucking article says so.
    
    But more to the point that is a party political broadcast by the herald on behalf of Labour / Green.
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    GoVege asks: “What makes you think these people are immigrants?”
    
    The midwife says in the report linked to that some are the “children of immigrants,” as in:
    
    She wrote of the abuse of children from the time they were infants, middle-aged women born in New Zealand who needed interpreters because their parents were immigrants and they didn’t get an education …
    
    Education, at least to the age of 16 or 17, is free in NZ, so poverty can’t be blamed for that.
    
    What sort of immigrants don’t want education for their children?
    
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    September 22, 2017 5:28pm
- Gabby
  
  Shut up jacksie, nobody’s meant to know about that stuff.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:59pm
Manolo

Australia is reaping the benefits of multiculturalism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4905194/Muslim-asylum-seeker-married-14-year-old-free-DAYS.html

Burmese asylum seeker Mohammad Shakir, 35, was sentenced on Thursday after pleading guilty to illegally marrying an underage girl (14yo) in a Melbourne mosque in 2016.
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September 22, 2017 10:48am
- GoVege
  
  I so hope this neanderthal’s application for asylum has been rejected…
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:17am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    My Neanderthal dna objects to that slur.
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:41am
SPC

Given both peak immigration and peak Christchurch rebuild have passed by, the downturn in the Auckland market is going to impact on private investment – there may be a failure to reach Treasury growth forecasts if there is no Kiwi Build programme.

As for the gall to claim that National has a plan to reduce child poverty – they have not targeted assistance to this group as Labour would do. Those receiving the average amount and the peak amount under the tax cuts do not have children in poverty. That money should go into health instead.

National may think it politically astute to bribe people with tax cuts, but this leads to an increase in the rate paid to those over 65 in super. And ultimately may make it unaffordable. It’s not prudent, and their disregard for inputs to the Cullen Fund also demonstrates how short term their thinking really is.
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September 22, 2017 11:11am
- GoVege
  
  Totally agree, SPC.
  National already bribed it’s way into power with tax cuts for the rich…we don’t need more, the rich are doing fine!
  We need to target the poor and vulnerable in our society.
  And hopefully provide inducements to aid them in avoiding getting pregnant at a young age.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:54am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “National already bribed it’s way into power with tax cuts for the rich”
    
    Define rich. National’s tax cuts have largely gone to middle and low income families, and they have increased WFF payments, and raised benefit levels. Next years families package will do the same.
    
    The “tax cuts for the rich” mantra is misleading, to say the least.
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:59am
    - GoVege
      
      OK. ..for the well-off.
      Anyone on over 100gs doesn’t need a tax-cut.
      
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      September 22, 2017 12:09pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “OK. ..for the well-off.”
        
        Middle to low income families are not the well off. And when National raised benefits levels in real terms, the first party to do so for decades, those who received that increase were not the well off.
        
        As to who needs what in tax cuts, that’s subjective. If your a low or middle income family with 2 or more children then it helps the family budget.
        
        You’re flogging a Lefty mantra about National that is a misrepresentation of what they have actually done. Just look at the ACToids on KB complaining that National has not significantly lowered the top tax rate for the real rich.
        
        National has followed, rightly, what Helen Clark did, and focused their support for the low to middle classes. That combined with their welfare reforms and a growing economy are far more likely in the long run to help reduce poverty.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:23pm
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Ask yourself why they are earning over $100k, maybe they work hard, maybe they bothered to turn up at school and learn.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        Shawn: I agree that National have done well by following Labours example.
        Don’t forget we would still have “market rents” for statehouses if it were not for Labour, a cruel and stupid policy.
        The nats introducing the ECA, IMO caused many of the poor to choose to breed for a living, as it was more lucrative than working.
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        Lots of poorly paid people work hard too, fluffy.
        All my kids studied hard and make 70 to 300gs each, including their partners.
        They are grateful for the opportunities they had and don’t whinge about paying tax.
        (Except maybe a bit about professional bludgers.)
        
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        September 22, 2017 1:49pm
  - GoVege
    
    It’s ludicrous to increase the already generous pension when young people are living in terrible squalor.
    Studies have proven the over 65’s are the most well-off in our society.
    We can barely afford the pension anyway.
    Perhaps it’s time the middle-aged started doing more for the elderly like other cultures do.
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:02pm
    - starboard
      
      “We can barely afford the pension anyway.”
      
      Wrong. Use brain before engaging mouth.
      
      Super currently sits around 7-8% of GDP..chump change.
      
      https://www.nzsuperfund.co.nz/sites/default/files/documents-sys/NZ%20Treasury%20graphs%20-%20NZSF.pdf
      
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      September 22, 2017 12:17pm
      - GoVege
        
        It costs at least a billion a year star man, and will be increasing with 1) the baby boomers and 2) half of people predicted to make it to a century soon.
        It should be means tested like in Oz.
        
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        September 22, 2017 2:42pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Show me photos of the thousands of young people living in squalor.
      Any young person living in squalor either chooses to for reasons best known to themselves i.e. don’t want to work.
      OR they have useless parents who do not provide for them.
      They may not be “well off” compared to some, but blame their unhappiness on the media and the reality tv shows, i.e. Kardashians who provoke envy – a good place to start. ENVY creates misery in lots of people.
      footnote, there may well be a few “starving” young people but the reasons will be multiple as to why they are in that situation and it is simplistic to lay the blame solely on the government. I always start with the parents first, then said young person’s attitude.
      (this post does not include those who have either birth defects or health issues – not caused by drug misuse – beyond their control.)
      Likewise the thousands supposedly living in cars.
      
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      September 22, 2017 12:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        You must lived a very sheltered life, fluffykiwi.
        So did I, until my family broke up and the only refuges available in the 60s were the Sallies.
        I agree with you…I always blame the parents first too, but where parents are useless or just ignorant, it is society’s duty, via the government, to step in and PROTECT vulnerable youngsters.
        I have lived in South Auckland for yonks.
        Once I rang CYPF about a 15 year old whose mum was pimping her out with other underage girls to a well-known gang.
        The first social worker I spoke to told me they had hundreds of mums abusing their young daughters in this way.
        Why is our government tolerating this?
        I have only once ever seen a “mother” being prosecuted for this.
        The mother I know has been paid to push out 11 babies when she should be languishing in jail or sterilized.
        Another teenage girl (same ethnicity by coincidence) tried to kill herself near our home last year.
        Stop kidding yourself about “envy”.
        Thousands of Kiwi kids just want security in life and a future.
        
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        September 22, 2017 1:39pm
    - lifesgood
      
      People are living in terrible squalor because they are filthy f***ers. There is absolutely no excuse. A rag, a bit of water, some elbow grease – no more squalor.
      
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      September 22, 2017 4:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      You will LOVE having your elderly parents live with you!
      Fills that lonely void since the kids moved out…
      Won’t have to worry about them forgetting to eat or living on soup in a rest home…
      Your kids and grandkids will get to know a bit about their forebears…
      You will have a greater chance of inheriting a letter from the Queen…
      And you will save your country money on health care and rest home care.
      Win..win..win.
      
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      September 22, 2017 8:59pm
  - kowtow
    
    Off you go then , buy up some rubber johnnies and give them away around south Auckland to all the brown people you meet.
    
    Nuttin’ stoppin’ ya.
    
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    September 22, 2017 5:12pm
    - GoVege
      
      What the heck is a rubber johnnie?
      
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      September 22, 2017 9:01pm
Jack5

NZ needs to watch that ASB Bank’s Aussie owners don’t flog it off to China.

CBA, like other Australian banks, is hiving off non-core business. It is selling its life-insurance arm for $A3.8 billion. This includes NZ’s biggest insurer, Sovereign, as well as Comminsure.

Let’s hope ASB doesn’t think of divesting ASB as well. NZ would have less control over a Chinese bank than it would over an Australian one.

A Chinese ASB would, however, probably provide retirement director jobs for old NZ politicians. So perhaps present politicians would be happy for a transfer of ownership.

The buyer of CBA’s insurance business, Hong Kong Stock Exchange-listed AIA Group, now becomes NZ’s biggest insurer.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/comminsure-sale-theyre-breaking-up-the-bank-david-murray-built-20170921-gylyt7.html
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September 22, 2017 11:16am
- rangitoto
  
  All banks have to abide by the regulations to operate in NZ.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:23am
  - Jack5
    
    Rangitoto, that’s about as relevant as the rule that all people visiting New Zealand have to drive on the left.
    
    What’s NZ going to do with a bank that gets out of line? Nationalise it?
    
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    September 22, 2017 5:24pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Take away their licence.
      
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      September 22, 2017 7:25pm
Brito

Interesting to see political correctness gone mad reported in Stuff. A midwife reporting (on Facebook) that babies are being born in South Auckland who are fathered by relatives of the mother. She discussed the incest and abuse and showed genuine concern. The posting on Facebook has been taken down. If Labour takes over watch the truth vanish and watch racism and intolerance rise in NZ.
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September 22, 2017 11:20am
- sam green
  
  Why are you surprised? And why do you think Labour would vanish the truth on this matter?
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:37am
  - Brito
    
    Because Labour has a history of preventing the truth from coming to the front by blocking and denying. Often denying certain reporters who ask difficult questions, access to the MP’s or PM. Read your history to uncover those facts…or like some of us…we lived through Labour governments and watched subtle (and overt) forms of censorship and misrepresentations being paraded as the truth.
    
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    September 22, 2017 11:42am
    - sam green
      
      Oh ok. So … it’s Labour’s fault?
      
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      September 22, 2017 11:46am
      - starboard
        
        stooooooooooopid boy
        
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        September 22, 2017 12:24pm
- GoVege
  
  The truth has “vanished” under National because they don’t want to upset their mates in the “racist” Maori Party.
  Maori gangs are heavily involved in abusing Maori youngsters, sad to say.
  We need Maori who really care about their young people, such as Kelvin Davis and the many others in Labour and the Greens.
  
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  September 22, 2017 3:07pm
  - realityczech
    
    And NZF. Led by a Maori with a Maori deputy.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:06pm
rangitoto

SonovaMin has a good cartoon up on whaleoil today.
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September 22, 2017 11:21am
JasonJohns

Strong psychic signals sent out by the Bill last night. Anyone else get a dream-message?
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September 22, 2017 11:30am
- sam green
  
  Yes!
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:38am
  - starboard
    
    wet dream more like it green sam
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:26pm
JasonJohns

Mine had a psychosexual charge. Bill is firing up, becoming a vessel for his volk, like Trump. The people energise and are psychically commandeered by the god-leader. We participate in his leadership on physiological as well as political planes.
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September 22, 2017 11:41am
- sam green
  
  Excellent. I’m awaiting the charge.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:47am
- sam green
  
  Has he got an erection? Or is that just you?
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:51am
  - stigie
    
    Bet it feelz good sammy..?
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:10pm
    - sam green
      
      Oh hi stigie. Sorry – can’t chat. Apparently I’m channeling Bill’s volksacken.
      
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      September 22, 2017 12:21pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    It’s ‘eLection – silly sammy.
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:58pm
JasonJohns

To get the best effect meditate on an image. The force…energy comes. Then one’s fluids become active.
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September 22, 2017 11:50am
- sam green
  
  Okey dokey.
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:52am
JasonJohns

Are you getting the flashes?
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September 22, 2017 11:54am
sam green

I seem to be channelling Rodney Hide. Things are getting messy.
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September 22, 2017 11:55am
JasonJohns

Hide expended his allotment of volk-fluid long ago. Try Bill. He is swollen with the people’s yearning.
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September 22, 2017 11:57am
- sam green
  
  Oh god ……
  
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  September 22, 2017 11:58am
  - sam green
    
    …. and in the morning too …
    
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    September 22, 2017 12:00pm
- sam green
  
  Is he still swollen or is it just us?
  
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  September 22, 2017 12:07pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Jesus Sam have you been drinking that veno without wearing a hat in the sun on your great holiday. It sounds like your deluded and hallucinating.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:23pm
- MrTips
  
  Stay in school kids and don’t do drugs. Drugs are bad, m’kay?
  
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  September 22, 2017 12:43pm
sooty

For me the highlight of the election would be Jacinda kniving the fat frog.
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September 22, 2017 12:04pm
Manolo

The incompetent, always the humble man:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/obama-refers-96-times-short-speech-gates-group/

Barack Obama can’t help but talk about himself.

During an appearance at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation “Goalkeepers” conference, the former president referred to himself 42 times during his 18-minute remarks.
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September 22, 2017 12:17pm
starboard

Wheres Papa toi toi

Wheres Team a ru

Wheres tar-poi

TV one repeater speaking stone age ..but cannot speak engrish ploperly.
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September 22, 2017 12:31pm
- Inandout
  
  Garner is just as bad seeing he is whanauised due to marriage.
  
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  September 22, 2017 3:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    He will have now step-whanau as well.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/71750307/duncan-garner-keeping-up-with-life-in-a-blended-family
    
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    September 22, 2017 5:45pm
- Jack5
  
  Starboard … it hasn’t quite reached yet the point that “Otago” will be pronounced as “Otakou”.
  
  Maybe the Radio Labour Ho’s will get round to that.
  
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  September 22, 2017 5:43pm
Fletch

You can see which way the media are leaning in all this – yesterday 1 News posted a video on Facebook showing Bill English’s concession speech from 2002.

Election flashback: A young Bill English concedes defeat after being trounced by Helen Clark

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/election-flashback-young-bill-english-concedes-defeat-after-being-trounced-helen-clark

https://www.facebook.com/1NEWSNZ/posts/10154783321286218

How is that anything but advocacy journalism? To show the past defeat of one of the candidates? I’m pretty sure they also had a post showing one of Helen’s past election wins. Would the U.S media last year have shown Hillary’s defeat from 2008?
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September 22, 2017 12:33pm
- RF
  
  I seem to remember Clark getting hand her arse by John Key. Do the corrupt left wing media need a reminder.
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:00pm
Digmen1

How is Labour spending so much money on ads

Two full pages in our local paper today.

First they were broke a few months ago

Second are they within the spending rules ?

(I see one stupid judge gave them 100,000 – proof that we have been over paying them)
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September 22, 2017 1:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Impartial judges my arse.
  
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  September 22, 2017 3:47pm
- stigie
  
  “How is Labour spending so much money on ads”
  
  Labour has had massive donations given to them by their union comrades who have taken money off the poor workers who pay into the unions..?
  
  Fucking disgraceful by these parasites !~
  
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  September 22, 2017 4:01pm
  - Happychappy
    
    They will be crying they have no money after the Election and if they lose they will have the begging bowl out for the poor and take money that these people can’t afford to spend, in one word hypocrites.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:34pm
    - sooty
      
      You watch Labour will be wanting the public to pay for their elctioneering for the next one!
      
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      September 22, 2017 7:59pm
noskire

North Korea ‘may test hydrogen bomb in Pacific’ – https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/97137039/north-korea-may-test-hydrogen-bomb-in-pacific.
Kim Jong Un has really lost the plot if this is correct, and sadly war on the Korean peninsula is quickly becoming a reality.
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September 22, 2017 2:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  Definitely rocket man on a suicide mission.
  
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  September 22, 2017 2:32pm
- Brigitte
  
  The Huff Post has his letter that does not mention any H-bomb (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-korea-kim-jong-un-response-donald-trump_us_59c43884e4b0cdc773301817?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009).
  
  It is actually mostly sensible with a few hints of action added (reminds me of Winnie in fact). The H-bomb threat comes from a general (who carefully notes that the ‘dear leader’ has final say).
  
  It is a carefully crafted and manufactured pair of responses designed to get exactly the media reaction it has. But still it’s a pretty stupid line to take given that Trump is not exactly showing signs of level headed diplomacy.
  
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  September 22, 2017 2:42pm
  - Digmen1
    
    It really is time that
    1) The United Nations imposed total complete sanctions on NK.
    And they were fully enforced by the USA, SK and Japan.
    2) That the USA, SK and Japan gave Fat Boy Rocket man a line in the sand ultimataum.
    Eg
    If you fire one more missile or test one new weapons will will take you out and bomb NK to hell the next day. (with conventional bombs)
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:39pm
    - Brigitte
      
      Did you read the letter? All he did was insult Trump (quite a few times) and play the innuendo game. He’s been consistent in having a policy of getting nukes to prevent an attack. Trump has pretty much said that the US signature on any agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on so what other options are left for NK apart from capitulation (which he’ll never agree to).
      
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      September 22, 2017 7:51pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Keep up with the play Bridgette. He seems a bit camera shy. NK TV had a special announcement of his threat to drop a nuke in the Pacific. They just had a picture of him sitting at a desk.
    Also looks like there might be some stronger sanctions on the way for this fat little toad.
    
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    September 23, 2017 12:18am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Quick question, How does he get it unnoticed into the Pacific? I know he has submarines, but are they capable of deploying an H bomb successfully? However, if he does detonate an H bomb in the Pacific, and there are casualties, even if untargeted, is that a declaration of war? And if so, how do we respond? And will China stand back? I’m all for turning NK into glowing glass, but only if it does not escalate into WWIII.
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:34pm
  - RF
    
    I would more concerned if we had Mini-Me taking instructions from Frau Clark should an H bomb be detonated close to NZ. That would increase her anxiety and mine….
    
    We face uncertain and troubled times so we need a solid dependable Government. Not a bloody flake whose major concern is the next photo shoot for women’s publications.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:55pm
  - Piniwi
    
    rol. It can’t be unnoticed and it will be known if the rocket has a warhead which might lead to an early explosion closer to him than the Pacific. Their ICBM’s can reach the Pacific very easily. He is bat shit crazy and might want to lob a nuke just to prove he can. The culmination of him becoming a nuclear nation. Rockets all tested and nukes tested so the next step for him is to put it together.
    
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    September 23, 2017 12:27am
Inandout

Thank goodness those Herald/ZB/Labour ads will disappear from today. I have ready made answers to the whining child and (paraphrasing) ‘why can’t we have our own house, why does Ruru not have his school lunch, why is that man sleeping on the pavement?
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September 22, 2017 3:55pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes. left wing media bias everywhere.
  
  Vote Compass background colour is Red!
  
  They could have/should have chosen a neutral Orange or Grey!
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:36pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Refused to do Vote Compass as it appeared TV1 collecting biased data for their lefty political bias.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:42pm
Manolo

Who wouldn’t despair by having this demented woman as MP?
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cnsnewscom-staff/rep-maxine-waters-impeachment-about-whatever-congress-says-it

Impeachment is about whatever the Congress says it is. There is no law that dictates impeachment. What the Constitution says is “high crimes and misdemeanors,” and we define that.
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September 22, 2017 4:45pm
- Inandout
  
  One disgusting black with a ton of chips on her shoulders.
  
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  September 22, 2017 5:35pm
RF

I watched the election round up at 4pm on News Talk with Larry, Leighton, Mike and a left wing bimbo called Kerre.

A very interesting discussion spoilt by the complete idiot lefty who could see nothing wrong about the Clark Mini-Me being a communist / socialist. Poor Leighton was choking explaining that it was not a good look for our next PM to be a communist / socialist / progressive. Bloody hell she is dangerous. Pray this will not be true.
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September 22, 2017 5:43pm
- Digmen1
  
  And her side kick Mark is an even worse namby pamby softie left wing guy.
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:30pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes and Kerre kept interrupting and over talking the other two.
  
  (And the micropone hid Larry’s face)
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:32pm
EAD_TWO

Had been planning on taking a few days off blogging over the election but this story needs posting as a sign of our times:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/97129743/new-zealand-rugby-boss-wants-to-fix-sports-homophobia-problem

Of the 1160 players who have pulled on the All Blacks jersey, not one has yet to come out publicly as gay.

But New Zealand Rugby (NZR) chief executive, Steve Tew, believes some may have kept their sexual and gender identities secret…………..

“We can’t hide from the fact that, unless there’s something completely wrong with the law of averages in the male population, we would have had All Blacks who haven’t openly expressed their sexuality as different than we know.

“They want rugby to be force that unifies New Zealand and you can’t do that if it cuts out 10 per cent of the population which is what we make up.

Three observations – I’m pretty sure that no All Black ever has ever “kept their gender identity secret”. I’m pretty sure if someone didn’t have any tackle it’d be noticed in the showers after the game pretty quickly!

Finally – the 10% of the population are homosexual is such bullshit (although you might think it is closer to 80% by the amount of press coverage they get!).

I would guess 2%….at a stretch….. would be homos. I’ve seen perhaps 4-5% of girls “experiment” with other females but it’s only a passing phase. They use the “10%” figure as a way to try and normalise their perversions.

Finally – I’d doubt any All Blacks have ever been homos. Competing at that high a level, testosterone levels need to be pretty high due to the levels of physicality – not exactly something homos are known for!
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September 22, 2017 6:10pm
- nasska
  
  …..” I’ve seen perhaps 4-5% of girls “experiment” with other females “…..
  
  How peachy for you! Any tips on how I can get invited to the same parties? 🙂
  
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  September 22, 2017 6:59pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Too old now Nasska – I don’t get invited to those kind of parties anymore ??
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:17pm
  - realityczech
    
    nasska stop being a fag enabler.
    
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    September 22, 2017 7:23pm
Digmen1

Over on Stuff they are reporting a last mionute Youthquake.

This to me is a result of the corrupt Electroral Commisions “trendy” ads.

So we need to get out and vote two ticks tomorrow to try to get National over 50%.

Please dont risk voting on NZF
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September 22, 2017 7:34pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  The “youthquake” is just all jingoism and spin.
  
  Are you quite happy to see the 2 party monopoly roll on then I take it?
  
  http://votefornewzealand.com/
  
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  September 22, 2017 7:43pm
sooty

Captains call my arse! She does not have the brains. She got told!
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September 22, 2017 8:29pm
- RF
  
  I have been told that Grant pulled her into line over the tax.
  
  Also some of the old school do not trust her sudden elevation and will be sharpening knives if they do not share in the spoils.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:46pm
Keeping Stock

Interesting allegation by a Northcote resident today that she was offered $50 to vote National.

I call “bullshit”, having done what the media should have done and run a Google search on the woman making the allegation. She certainly has a significant digital footprint, and doesn’t live a boring life…

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Ashleah+Copeland&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&ei=6qDEWbm7L4H38gXJ7qCIAg&start=0&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=875
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September 22, 2017 8:30pm
- RF
  
  She is full of BS and actively seeks publicity…..
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:43pm
sooty

Win or lose, I predict that one years time, she will not be there.
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September 22, 2017 8:31pm
- calendar girl
  
  I agree, on the following grounds:
  1. Her quoted “I’m here for a good time, not for a long time”.
  2. If JA becomes Prime Minister, her reproductive clock will already be ticking in overtime if she truly wants to conceive that baby.
  3. If she is prepared to to wait for the baby, as leader of the Opposition, she’ll already be 40 years old, plus a couple of months by the time of the 2020 General Election. Timing is becoming increasingly marginal.
  
  I’ll be criticised in some quarters for saying so, but it’s time for JA to make a decision between politics (as Party Leader) and motherhood. Her quote in 1. above seems to have indicated her actual decision – a one-off, immediate crack at leading the Labour Party into a General Election, but – if unsuccessful – pulling out soon after to start a family.
  
  Good luck and good health to her with any ambition that she may harbour to have a family of her own. That will be her most personally-fulfilling achievement, whatever may prove to be her further successes in politics.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:40pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Ah calendar girl you too have been “hearing” as opposed to listening to all the twaddle. Her anxiety is making her talk too much leading to frequently letting too slip past the lips. The result of a hypo-verbal condition.
    
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    September 23, 2017 12:38am
dad4justice

English is another John Boy Key wimpish not real rich Jellyfish, Taxinda is the daughter of Klarkula and the Peter the poof, the greens are beyond scum, Act a one man band so Winny the pooh is the only vote. And the Maori party are just greedy gutter pus just look at the jail population………………………………………..
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September 22, 2017 8:44pm
- realityczech
  
  Clarke Gayford looking forward to being ‘First Ladyman’
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/clarke-gayford-looking-forward-to-being-first-ladyman.html
  
  LOL 🙂
  
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  September 22, 2017 8:53pm
  - dad4justice
    
    So if Clarke Gayford was the first ladyman what was Helen Clark so called husband’s so interested in bumming men? What do call call him Professor Turd Tapper??? What do we call him voters of no brains? Remember John Key helped hush up the deplorable LAX incident. What a sick fucked country!
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Shit, the lunatic soup has taken its toll tonight. And it’s only 8.44.
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:18pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Captain get to know God as you might need him after tomorrow and if you want to call me a lunatic please do it face to face so I can
    get a paramedic at the standby. Pathetic wimps like you are why homos can marry in this country.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:28pm
- stigie
  
  So you don’t mind going with Taxcinda then Dad and fuck the economy..?
  
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  September 22, 2017 9:19pm
  - dad4justice
    
    I have always voted National but they are selling the country to the Chinese, so I vote NZF.
    
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    September 22, 2017 9:24pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      You could do us all a favour and just fuck off overseas Dad.
      
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      September 22, 2017 10:19pm
Jack5

The great “university for all” con ….

While New Zealand is talking of free tertiary education for all, in Britain people are beginning to question the folly of widening university education.

In an article (unfortunately behind the paywall) in the Telegraph, Judith Woods calls on Britain to look at German education. She says of a British push for the majority to go to university:

“…in an education system that has experienced more churn than the average hydroelectric dam, this fallacy – that university is the best route, the only route – seems to have persisted, when every other modish, useless and indeed useful initiative has been swept away like so much political flotsam by each incoming government.

Of the German system, Woods writes:

The brightest children go to a Gymnasium (equivalent to our grammars) and then on to university. Children who are less academic go to the Realschule and then, at around the age of 15 or 16, progress to a Fachschule, or “technical school”, which is a prequisite to working in management or the civil service.

The number of pupils taking arts subjects such as design, drama, music and dance at GCSE has plummeted to its lowest level in a decade.

Those more suited to learning a trade attend the Hauptschule and then on to a part-time Berufsschule “vocational school” at 16, where they take up on-the-job training and apprenticeships.

That’s what we need in New Zealand.
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September 22, 2017 10:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s what we used to have in NZ… although I would never have categorised the divisions on “brightness”.
  
  Some folks prefer a hands-on approach to their learning and flourish in trades.
  But since the 1970s there has been a dreadful decline in apprenticeships and the emphasis in Education (championed by Helen Clarke as Min of Ed) was to retain 16-18 year olds in the secondary system and then try and persuade them to undergo another 3 years of sitting on their bums at Polytechs or universities….. basically forgoing years in which they could have been attaining practical skills and earning some $$$$.
  How many folks straight out of polytechs still needed on-the-job training ?
  
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  September 22, 2017 10:38pm
rangitoto

No early voting for me. I’m heading to the polling booth in the morning.

Don’t forget: TWO TICKS BLUE.
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September 22, 2017 11:00pm
Piniwi

Just a few little items that may have missed adequate covereage.
Maori Party say
“We consider the Crown has clear obligations to consult with Māori before making final decisions about changes to superannuation eligibility.
Perhaps they would like it still to be 60 since their “people” have a shorter life expectancy. Rumour has it is result of being reared by cannibals.

Red Radio
Opinion – After two elections in 2011 and 2014 riddled with distractions – ‘dirty politics’, Kim Dotcom’s ‘Moment of Truth’, and the teapot tapes – the best thing about the 2017 campaign has been the thorough debate about policies.
Wow we must be outside the loop? Still actually waiting for Labour’s policies. Lots of bribes for which we await the answer to our primary question. SHOW US THE MONEY?

A New Index and Another First For NZ
The inaugural index created by The Economist Intelligence Unit assessed 35 economies around the world, focusing on their policy environment, teaching environment and socio-economic environment.

The index ranked New Zealand 88.9 out of 100, taking first place overall and best teaching environment, with Canada just over two points behind, and Finland, Switzerland and Singapore completing the top five.

A big thanks to our Charter Schools helping drive progress in education. Education is not a game or contest but competition between providers will bring about that sort of progress.

Flopcinda (WO new tag) jittery.
Taxinda is obviously very worried that might be because their internal polls are sinking fast. The main target is still the yoof vote followed by a long wait for specials votes. A restless night for her it seems while the grownups will sleep well and be ready to get down to the polling booth.

Time for my dessert and over there it is already Election Day. Tick Two 4 Blue as a mark of pride and love for the wonderful country that is New Zealand
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