Nanny Rudd

Wednesday, February 10th, 2010 at 10:50 am

The Herald reports:

Kevin Rudd would like to see the drinking age in Australia raised from 18 to 21 years.

The Prime Minister said he would prefer an increase, given a recent series of tragic accidents involving P-plate drivers.

Since the start of the year 12 teenagers have been killed in cars driven by P-plate drivers in New South Wales and Victoria.

In one crash that killed five teenagers in Melbourne the 19-year-old driver had a blood alcohol level almost four times the legal limit.

I love the logic here. Because some young Australians break the very serious laws about drink driving, Kevin Rudd thinks the solution is to lower the drinking age, as if that would make a difference.

The sort of people who drive pissed, are not going to change their behaviour because it is technically illegal to purchase the alcohol, as well as drive after drinking it. It won’t affect the problem drink drivers, but will criminalise a million or so young Australians.

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Blaming the drinking age?

Sunday, November 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am

The HoS reports:

His son was killed by a teen driver who broke every rule. Now a grieving dad wants the drinking age raised – and his plea comes as the Government gives its strongest signal yet of major changes to driving and liquor laws.

Gerald Fluerty lost his son Ezra, 19, in an accident that “had all the ingredients for disaster”.

“I think these young people, at 18, just don’t have the ability to make the right decision on their own.”

Driver Maia Thorby, 18, struck a power pole while speeding on a learner licence in a car with no warrant or registration. He was four times the legal alcohol limit and had been smoking cannabis. …

Donald said she wanted to see the drinking age increased and for young drivers to get more education before they took to the roads on their own.

“They also need to be taught how to drink in moderation.”

One can only have the deepest sympathy for any parent who loses their child in a road accident – especially one caused by a young drunk and stoned driver.

But that does not mean that their identification of the alcohol purchase age is logical.

Let us look at what the the 18 year old driver did that night:

  • He broke the law by driving at night on a learners licence
  • He broke the law by driving with passengers on a learners licence
  • He broke the law by driving a car with no warrant
  • He broke the law by driving a car with no registration
  • He broke the law by speeding
  • He broke the law by smoking cannabis
  • He broke the law by driving with a blood alcohol four times the legal limit
  • He broke the law by driving stoned

Now I’m sorry but does anyone rationally think that making it illegal to purchase alcohol at 18 or 19 would have in anyway affected what happened? I mean you can’t even buy cannabis legally at any age, and they managed to get some.

If an 18 year old has absolutely no regard for the law, for basic safety, and is the sort to drive while stoned and pissed, then the age of alcohol purchase is not what needs to change.

The vast majority of 18 and 19 year olds appreciate being able to have a wine with dinner, go out nightclubbing or buy some beers at the supermarket to take home for the rugby. Turning all of them into criminals is not the answer to the problems caused by the minority. Especially when a law change would probably have made absolutely no difference to the outcome in this tragic case.

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Power’s Reforms

Friday, July 24th, 2009 at 10:06 am

The Herald reports:

The sexual history of rape-case complainants may no longer be able to be raked over by defence lawyers in potentially far-reaching reforms proposed by Justice Minister Simon Power.

He is considering making evidence about a complainant’s previous sexual relationships inadmissible without the agreement of the trial judge.

I am broadly supportive of such a move, but have to admit I thought there already were restrictions on such details being detailed in court? One of our friendly defence lawyers want to clarify.

There are some occasions where past relationships could be material. If for example a complainant said she did not consent as it was their first date, and she would never sleep with someone the day she met them – then evidence that she is lying and has had a one night stand before would be relevant. But only because it is contradicting a claim she made. If she made no such claim, then I would say it is not relevant how many one night stands a complainant may have had.

Mr Power said rather than the complainant being ambushed in court with cross-examination about her past, a judge should first rule on its relevancy.

Which seems sensible.

He also proposes changing the definition of consent so someone would have to say “yes”, rather than the current law where a defendant is able to argue the woman did not say “no”.

Here I have to say, the proposal is impractical. Power isn’t exactly proposing this change – more just floating the possibility. But I think consent is often implicit, not explicit, based on how someone responds to you. I think Canada may have gone down this path, but to me it reeks of almost having to sign a statutory declaration of consent before sex.

Mr Power has also asked the Law Commission to investigate introducing a European-style inquisitorial justice system in sexual offending cases.

He said using such as system – where the judge is involved in collecting and determining the facts of the case – instead of the adversarial system that required “harrowing” cross-examination of victims was “worth a look”.

Fairly openminded on this. Fair to say though a high level of persuasion would be needed to change from the current system.

Mr Power says alcohol – a “facilitator” for crime – has to be dealt with if the Government is to have any impact on the crime rate. He says this will be done in one package of law reform this parliamentary term and will take into account the ongoing work of the Law Commission. It has already suggested limiting the opening hours of liquor shops and bars, raising the drinking age to 19 or 20 and increasing tax on alcohol.

I hope his comments do not mean the Government will just automatically legislate whatever the Law Commission recommends. The quality and relevance of the research they have used to date in citing the need for change has been seriously lacking.

Simon also announced his views on the provocation partial defence, which I will deal with in another post. His speech is online here and is a very good read. I’m incredibly impressed by the pace of work by Simon – he has achieved a lot in six months and by the end of his first term, will have a huge amount of law reform behind him.

On a final note did anyone else see Valerie Morse on TV last night holding up a sign calling for all prisons to be abolished at Simon’s speech. I’d like to ask Valerie what she thinks should happen to Clayton Weatherston and Graeme Burton. I guess she’ll just claims they are victims of the colonialist capitalist oppressors.

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Life under Labour’s Lianne

Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am

Look at what fun we have to look forward to if Labour gets back into office. This is what Lianne Dalziel wants:

  1. Increased tax on alcohol
  2. Ban supermarkets and grocery stores from selling alcohol
  3. Increase purchase age to 20 for off licenses
  4. Most bars and nightclubs to be forced to close at 1 am
  5. Bottle stores to close at 8 pm

Lianne forgot the one about needing your parent’s permission to be out after 9 pm if you are aged under 30.

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Law Commission on Alcohol

Saturday, April 25th, 2009 at 10:36 am

The Herald reports some proposals from the Law Commission:

One of the issues for later discussion was the substantial gap between the taxes the country received from alcohol purchases, $795 million, and the estimated social cost of harmful misuse of alcohol of $5.296 billion.

“It does seem to me that the taxpayer should not be asked to shoulder as much of the burden as is currently being met from public funds,” Sir Geoffrey said.

“It does seem that the case for increasing the price of alcohol to ensure drinkers contribute more to the costs imposed on society is persuasive.”

He suggested increasing the excise tax would be appropriate.

The estimated social cost figure is no doubt exagerrated – they probably assume that a crime commited when drunk would never have happened if sober etc. But nevertheless there may be an economic argument to increase the excise tax. However if you increase it too much, you will just help the black market out. You also may push people away from drinking in bars (a more controlled environment) and into buying alcohol more cheaply from bottle stores, which is more likely to lead to binge drinking.

The legal drinking age should also be increased he said.

There is no such thing. Sir Geoffrey should know better. There is a purchase age and it should not be raised. A 19 year old should not be a criminal for buying a bottle of wine.

What they should do is look at whether there should in face be a drinking age, and if there should be an offence to supply alcohol to those under the drinking age.

There was an equally strong case for limiting the hours off-licences could be open.

“I do not understand why bars need to be open to 6am on a Sunday morning.”

People once said they should not be open at 7 pm. It is not for Sir Geoffrey to understand. If enough people want a drink at 6 am, then why not. Having said that, most bars now close by 5 am.

There was also a strong argument for lowering the blood alcohol from 80mg per 100ml for adult drivers to 50mg per 100ml.

No there is a very weak argument. A very small proportion of crashes involve a driver with blood alcohol between 60mg and 80mg per 100ml.

“For under 20-year-olds it should be lowered to zero regardless of licence status.”

This I agree with.

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Power against raising drinking age

Thursday, March 5th, 2009 at 10:00 am

Very pleased to see balanced and sensible view from Simon Power on alcohol issues:

“But in the end we have to ask ourselves how broad an issue this is when it is such a critical part of offending and if you want to drive the crime rate down in New Zealand you can’t do that without having a discussion about alcohol,” he told Radio New Zealand.

Of course. The challenge is how you target those who can not handle alcohol, without needlessly interfering with the vast majority who can enjoy a night on the town without incidence.

“I don’t think that you can have a serious discussion about reducing offending in New Zealand without asking yourself some serious questions about the proliferation of liquor licensing in New Zealand.”

One has to be careful to generalise. I don’t think the fact that many cafes now serve wine, or you can have a beer at Downstage is creating problems.

Mr Power said he did not personally believe raising the drinking age is the answer to the problems.

The issues of parental responsibility and education were important and raising the purchasing age did not deal with the issue of drinking in homes.

Absolutely. I tend to favour a law change that targets irresponsible supply of alcohol to minors. It would be hard to word, but worth doing in my opinion.

“I can’t be convinced that you need to walk into a bar for the first time at 3 o’clock in the morning to have a drink. It just seems to me that the range of hours that we’re making alcohol available are very very wide.

I don’t think many people get their first drink at 3 am. However if one is having a night out dancing in Courtenay Place, then you are still going at 3 am. Maybe you could have bars remain open, but not serve alcohol – but realistically they won’t stay open if they are not making enough money to pay wages and costs.

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Reading between the headlines

Thursday, January 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

A few minutes ago I saw the headline “Drinking age back on MPs’ agenda“.

My initial reaction was a flurry of swear words directed towards the Government as I read “The National Government will look again at raising the legal drinking age from 18 to 20 this year”.

But luckily I carried on reading the article before I fired off venom, and it is not quite what the headline and first sentence suggest:

The Sale and Supply of Liquor and Liquor Enforcement Bill was introduced by the former Labour Government last August and has been picked up without change by the new Government. It is due to have its first reading when Parliament resumes and will then go to a select committee for public submissions.

Although the bill does not refer to the drinking age, Mr Power said he was sure there would be submissions asking for the age to be raised.

“You can’t have a discussion about the sale and supply of liquor without the drinking age being factored in,” he said.

So it is not the Government saying it wants to raise the drinking age, just the Minister saying that as we consider this bill, people will want to debate the age issue also. Power goes on to say:

Mr Power said he himself voted to keep the age at 18 because he believed the drinking age should not be dealt with in isolation.

“I sat on the select committee that heard submissions, and two things struck me,” he said.

“First, when the police came before that committee they said that in 51 per cent of cases [of under-age drinking] the last drink had been taken at home. That has stuck in my mind.

Simon gets to the nub of the issue – it is one of supply, not age of purchase.

The problem is not 19 year olds having a drink in a pub. It is 14 year olds getting wasted at parties. And the way to deal with that is to make it an offence to supply alcohol to minors in an irresponsible manner.

Criminalising every 18 and 19 year old in NZ (or the 95% who like to have a drink) would be a retrograde step.

However it looks like it may be an issue again, so might be time to reassemble the Keep it 18 campaign team!

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Family First rates the Leaders

Saturday, September 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Family First has rated every party leader for their “family friendliness” as they see it. This is a great idea, as those who agree with Family First’s values can use it as a positive guide, and those who disagree can use it as a negative guide. More lobby groups should do this sort of stuff.

The overall ratings (in order) for each Leader is:

  1. Winston Peters 77%
  2. Peter Dunne 69%
  3. Pita Sharples 57%
  4. Tariana Turia 54%
  5. John Key 54%
  6. Jim Anderton 38%
  7. Rodney Hide 31%
  8. Jeanette Fitzsimons 15%
  9. Helen Clark 8%

Winston is the poster boy for social conservatism which is why it is so hilarious that so many on the left are doing everything possible to defend him.

There were 13 issues or votes they judged the Leaders on. I list them below, along with how I would have voted on it if I was an MP.

  1. Prostitution Bill- DPF support – 0
  2. Civil Unions – DPF support – 0
  3. Relationships Bill – DPF support – 0
  4. Parental Notification for under 16 abortions – DPF support – 1 (I support notification, not approval)
  5. Euthanasia – DPF support – 0
  6. Care of Children – DPF oppose – 1
  7. Marriage Amendment (define as man/woman only) – DPF oppose – 0
  8. Anti-Smacking – DPF oppose – 1
  9. Easter Trading – DPF support – 0
  10. Easter Sunday Trading – DPF support – 0
  11. Drinking Age to 20 – DPF oppose – 0
  12. Street Prostitution (Manukau) – DPF oppose – 0
  13. Electoral Finance – DPF oppose – 1

So if I was a party leader I would be scored 4/13 or 31% – the same as Rodney Hide.

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