Copeland on same sex marriage

January 25th, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Gordon Copeland writes in the Dom Post:

The debate on same-sex marriage lacks context because its promoters have failed to take into account the equal rights already established in New Zealand law for same-sex couples.

Everyone remembers the passing of the Civil Unions Act in late 2004 because of the publicity it generated. The Civil Unions Act was followed by a companion Relationships (Statutory References) Act in early 2005 – the Relationships Act. It was passed by Parliament without fanfare and little publicity. It has therefore been missing from this debate because its purpose and legal effects are largely unknown to New Zealanders. Yet it is of crucial importance.

So what did the Relationships Act do? It amended more then 150 acts of Parliament to add, after every reference to “marriage”, the words “civil union and de facto” so there would be a complete and perfect legal equality between marriage, civil unions and heterosexual or homosexual de facto relationships. It means all couples, in any of these relationships, have the same rights under New Zealand law, with the possible exception of the adoption law.

This is a valid argument against same sex marriage. It is not one I agree with but it is a better argument than Colin Craig’s views that people choose to be gay.

Gordon Copeland is a former MP who was in Parliament in 2004-2005 when the Civil Unions and Relationships (Statutory References) Acts were passed. He opposed both.

This is what amuses me. You vote against bills to give same sex couples any legal recognition at all, and then use the fact you were defeated as an argument for why the law is now great and no further changes are needed.

It’s a bit like voting against women getting the vote, and then once you lose that vote arguing women don’t need to be able to stand for Parliament also because they have the vote, and that is what matters.

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Same sex marriage submissions

November 16th, 2012 at 2:52 pm by David Farrar

I made my appearance at the Govt Admin Select Committee on Wednesday on Louisa Wall’s Marriage Bill. Some good questions from MPs on both sides of the debate. I expressed sympathy for the MPs and staff who received some 20,000 or more submissions on the bill!

I was amused when at the end, Chair Ruth Dyson said “We’ll see you at our next bill”. I actually don’t  submit on that many bills – but a lot of them end up on Govt Admin Select Cmte. A lot are Justice & Electoral also. Don’t think I have ever made a submission to the Health Select Committee.

Gordon Copeland also appeared and made some headlines with his views on how allowing same sex marriage is like apartheid. For those who enjoy the views of Gordon, I am happy to link to my 2008 blog which quotes wonderful extracts from his autobiography. The highlight is Chapter 12:

Jetlag does funny thing and I was wide awake in prayer at about 4am one morning in London when the Lord told me that Satan would attack me in Bangkok on the way home.

I had forgotten all about that a couple of days later when I was lying back in 40 degree Celsius heat alongside the swimming pool at the Oriental Hotel in Bangkok enjoying the sunshine. A beautiful girl stripped off topless alongside me and covered herself in suntan lotion before diving in for a swim. She was very much in my thoughts about 20 minutes later when I went back to my hotel room for a much needed nap.

Somewhere between the bedroom and the bathroom, I was physically attacked by an invisible spiritual being. I felt I was being strangled but strangely felt very little fear. The Lord’s warning to me in London suddenly flashed into my mind. I realised that I had been attacked by an unseen spiritual being from the realm of Satan. I am no stranger to demons and have many times, in ministering to people, found it necessary to rebuke spiritual beings in the name of Jesus Christ. The problem was that on this occasion I was incapable of speaking since my voice box appeared to be completely choked off. Inwardly, however, my spirit cried out desperately to God, “Help me!” From within the deep resources of my being a wave of the Holy Spirit rose up through my body and seemed to explode up through my throat and my mouth in a song, from my boyhood days of praise to God. I felt the spiritual being which had me in its grip loose me and leave. I was overcome with joy and went on singing my praise to God for several minutes. I didn’t even know that I still knew that particular hymn of praise!

Oddly, I’ve often had Satan attack me also, when I see a beautiful topless girl rubbing oil over herself. Sadly for me, unlike Gordon, Satan has won the fight on these occasions.

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The words of Gordon Copeland

November 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm by David Farrar

Not many people know that Gordon Copeland has written an autobiography. Even fewer have actually read the autobiography. One hearty soul has been kind enough to read it, and also send to a few people selected extracts. Kiwiblog is proud to share these with the world, for your enjoyment:

First we have Chapter 12 on fighting Satan in Bangkok:

Jetlag does funny thing and I was wide awake in prayer at about 4am one morning in London when the Lord told me that Satan would attack me in Bangkok on the way home.

I had forgotten all about that a couple of days later when I was lying back in 40 degree Celsius heat alongside the swimming pool at the Oriental Hotel in Bangkok enjoying the sunshine. A beautiful girl stripped off topless alongside me and covered herself in suntan lotion before diving in for a swim. She was very much in my thoughts about 20 minutes later when I went back to my hotel room for a much needed nap.

Somewhere between the bedroom and the bathroom, I was physically attacked by an invisible spiritual being. I felt I was being strangled but strangely felt very little fear. The Lord’s warning to me in London suddenly flashed into my mind. I realised that I had been attacked by an unseen spiritual being from the realm of Satan. I am no stranger to demons and have many times, in ministering to people, found it necessary to rebuke spiritual beings in the name of Jesus Christ. The problem was that on this occasion I was incapable of speaking since my voice box appeared to be completely choked off. Inwardly, however, my spirit cried out desperately to God, “Help me!” From within the deep resources of my being a wave of the Holy Spirit rose up through my body and seemed to explode up through my throat and my mouth in a song, from my boyhood days of praise to God. I felt the spiritual being which had me in its grip loose me and leave. I was overcome with joy and went on singing my praise to God for several minutes. I didn’t even know that I still knew that particular hymn of praise!

Then in Chapter 3 we learn the secret to good forecasting for BP:

“In the 21 months I did the job my forecast of the month-by-month balance was never more than 3% away from the actual result. I was conscious week by week during 1974-75 of the Holy Spirit guiding my forecasts through one of the most turbulent periods in the history of the international oil industry.

Also how to gain clients in Chapter 13:

My office was was a desk in the corner of the lounge and, since I was unable to advertise, the best way to secure clients again seemed to be fervent prayer.

The love of goats:

The animal though, which provided us with the most joy was an un-neutered billygoat whom the children named “Gwillious”… Gwillious was, I think, just about the smelliest specimen of a goat ever to walk the planet Earth; was as strong as a bull and would butt anything that moved! In spite of that we were all immensely fond of him… Even now, it is difficult for us to take a drive in the country without Anne getting me to stop and admire the many goats which keep New Zealand’s roadway verges trim.

And finally resisting the attractiveness of females in Chapter 3:

“We all went off to a student party in Brooklyn run by some other ex-Kensington House boys and, against the trend, found ourselves short of girls. I gave those who were present a quick glance or two and decided that this particular evening should be devoted to beer and song. However, two or three beers and a couple of songs later it did seem to me that the attractiveness of the girls present had increased somewhat so I picked out the prettiest in the room and asked her for a dance. That proved to be a failry hilarious affair. Anne Davey (for that was her name) turned out to be a truly excellent dancer at both Rock and Roll and Twist, whereas my own efforts could only be described as pathetic.

“In typical student party style, Anne and I ended up, fairly late that evening, sittting in one of the bedrooms with half a dozen other couples, setting right the world’s problems. At one point in the conversation, Anne motioned towards a crucifix on the wall and asked me point blank whether I was Catholic. I gave a slightly too hurried and emphatic “No”, and she then calmly said to me, “Well, in that case, I bet you never thought you would be sitting here holding hands with a Catholic girl!” Her words hit me between the eyes and I almost dropped here hand there and then and invented an excuse to leave the room, but her sheer female attractiveness begged me to stay put.

Who knows what could have happened if he stayed put!

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Well done Gordon

September 24th, 2008 at 7:50 am by David Farrar

It is worth noting that Gordon Copeland also played a very useful role in the decision to censure Peters.

Gordon filed the Privileges Complaint that Peters got caught on. Rodney filed one relating to payment of a debt while Gordon’s was on receiving gift. And in the end it ws Gordon’s complaint that held up.

Now I suspect that even if Gordon’s complaint had not gone in, the Privileges Committee would still have have made the findings they did, as even if the original complaint was under one section of the rules of the Register, they would not ignore a breach under a different rule.

But regardless worth noting Gordon’s useful role in this.

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Silly Gordon

September 9th, 2008 at 12:05 pm by David Farrar

There are only 11 questions in the House today. Why? Because Gordon Copeland forgot or failed to submit his question.

He only gets to ask a primary around once every month, so this was probably his last question before the election. Almost as bad as missing the vote on the anti-smacking bill!

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A good Kiwi Party policy

September 6th, 2008 at 11:30 am by David Farrar

Gordon Copeland is in the Dom Post saying the Kiwi Party advocates floating 20% of SOEs’ shares to release about $5 billion for infrastructure.

As reported yesterday, the public are getting sub-standard information on SOEs, because they are 100% Government owned.

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Grand Theft Auto IV

May 1st, 2008 at 8:20 am by David Farrar

I’ve never played Grand Theft Auto. But the more I read how Gordon Copeland and Family First want to ban it, the more I really really want to get a copy. What I love about the releases attacking a game, film or book is how incredibly useful and detailed they are for people:

Grand Theft Auto IV is scheduled for release this week. It follows on from previous Grand Theft Auto games which included constant graphic violence and sexual situations. Players could re-enact having sex with a prostitute, beating her bloody, taking her money and running her over with a car and shooting at police officers.

Rockstar Games which produces the game says the company is going even further in its pursuit of realism with this latest game in the series and players can buy cocaine, set enemies alight, shoot a policeman, drink drive, and visit strip clubs – all with improved physics and animation which makes the game feel more real, according to reviewers.

I mean can anyone rule out that they really are on commission for the promoters. I mean who doesn’t want to set their enemies alight :-)

Incidentally how many know that there is an autobiography on Gordon Copeland? Yes, seriously.

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