Drury on IRD computer system

May 3rd, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Rod Drury writes at NBR:

The New Zealand Government has recently agreed to spend $1.5 billion to redo the New Zealand tax system.

To anyone in IT this is an obscene amount of money to spend on an software project.

From the outside it seems like a slow moving train crash reminiscent of earlier Big Bang projects that always blow out if they are ever delivered.

It reeks of global consulting firms winning the business and then rapidly hiring a bunch of grads and putting them up in hotels for years.

It’s just not smart.

I’m unconvinced that any computer system should cost that much. I’m hoping that the $1.5b price tag is a worst case budget provision so they can come up well below budget.

We’re a market of 4 million  people and 400,000 businesses, so it’s just not that big. Many SaaS [software as a service] companies are already a good portion of those transaction levels at a fraction of the cost by using commodity, high performance, technologies.

Xero has spent around only $80 million getting to where it is today. Even if IRD was 10x Xero (it’s not) why isn’t $800 million a reasonable number?

And costs are not proportional.

But rather than just criticise here’s some practical suggestions I’d offer to to see if we can save $500 million to $1 billion in spend.

1. Start from the customer and work in, replacing the edges. Identify the key external interactions and publish those as web services.  Get the messages into a commodity systems and then connect these systems to the core FIRST servers. That will take load off, allow quick wins and lots of options.  As the core engine is surrounded it can be gradually replaced. A GST Return WebService would be an ideal place to start.

2. Don’t build the retail tax front end. Just publish the rules and invest in just the very core system. Let the private sector invest in the layer customers interact with. Certify providers that they met the requirements.  Payroll software pretty much works like that now. That offloads the investment to the private sector who are happy to build.

3. Go out to the NZ service companies and get them to stand up a consortium and carve up the opportunity themselves and put in place the appropriate governance structure. Give them the challenge to save $500 million on a fixed-fee basis and transfer project risk to the private consortium.

4. Appoint an independent board of systems experts to review the project and provide ongoing governance over it.

I’d start with recommendation 4 and appoint Rod to chair it!

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IRD wins again

March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Hamish Fletcher at NZ Herald reports:

International investors could be scared off by a Court of Appeal decision yesterday which saw Inland Revenue notch up another big win, say tax specialists.

Alesco New Zealand lost another leg of its stoush with the IRD yesterday over whether a funding structure used to buy two other companies was a tax avoidance arrangement.

The amount at issue in the Alesco case is $8.6 million, but yesterday’s judgment could have implications for other tax avoidance disputes with the IRD where hundreds of millions of dollars are estimated to be at stake.

Decisions in these cases were awaiting the outcome of the Alesco litigation, the Court of Appeal said.

University of Auckland Business School senior tax law lecturer Mark Keating called yesterday’s decision a “slam-dunk” for the IRD.

“If there’s an imaginary line that you cross between tax planning and tax avoidance, then IRD have been taking cases that go closer and closer to that line,” Keating said.

“The [corporate] taxpaying community are basically waiting for a case where the IRD overstretch and there were a number of people who hoped and believed that Alesco would be that case.”

Ernst & Young senior tax partner Jo Doolan said yesterday’s judgment was an “alarming result”.

“It reinforces the feeling of many inbound investing corporates that the NZ tax environment is too uncertain. It may discourage them from continuing to do business here,” she said.

I’m sorry, but I just don’t accept the argument that companies will not invest here if they are not allowed to avoid paying tax.

I’m all in favour of lower tax rates to encourage investment. But I’m also in favour of plugging tax loopholes.

I think it is commendable that IRD has been very effective in making sure companies don’t avoid paying tax purely through use of artificial mechanisms that have no commercial basis except tax avoidance. They managed to get the banks to cough up an extra billion dollars or so, and I understand APN (owners of the Herald) are also in court and fighting over $50 million or so of disputed tax.

The best tax system is low rates, broad base and few loopholes.

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IRD confirms the obvious

December 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Hamish Rutherford at Stuff reports:

New Zealand has no power to ensure internet giants like Facebook and Google pay more tax, according to an IRD report.

The new report appears to back Revenue Minister Peter Dunne’s claim that New Zealand cannot solve corporate tax loopholes alone, arguing that even law changes would be overridden by international treaties.

Of course it does. NZ simply has no power to tax overseas corporates. If I buy a book from Amazon, can the Govt force Amazon to pay tax in NZ? Of course not.

The issue of tax rates on international companies, especially in the technology sector, has hit headlines since it emerged Facebook paid less than $14,500 in New Zealand last year, or less than 1 cent for every one of its 2.2 million Kiwi users.

That’s a silly comparison. You don’t tax firms on their number of users. You tax them on their profits. It is even sillier when you consider Facebook does not charge a user fee.

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IRD phone calls

July 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stacey Kirk at Stuff reports:

Government cuts and poor planning have left more than 70,000 calls to IRD unanswered over its busiest tax return time, the Public Service Association (PSA) says.

IRD figures showed about 70,000 calls weren’t answered between June 25 and July 5 – the two weeks leading up to the deadline for filing tax returns.

During that period 164,000 calls were planned for, but more than 202,000 were received. Of those only about 131,000 were actually answered as the department struggled to cope with increased demand.

The PSA said there had also been a significant increase in the number complaints about the phone service.

National secretary Richard Wagstaff said it was frustrating for both the public and staff but was a “clear consequence” of budget cuts and bad decision-making.

I’m a bit surprised by those numbers as I was one of those callers towards the end of that period. I first registered on their new voice authentication system. You repeat three phrases three times and their system records your voice patterns. This means that for future phone calls, they have a higher confidence they have verified your identity, and can deal with more stuff over the phone.

After the authentication there was a delay until answering, but only one minute. The good thing is the IRD system now tells you how long the delay is which makes a huge difference.

Then once I got through to a staffer, she talked me through how to get a personal tax summary, and I managed to file my effective return online. It went very smoothly.

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Robin Oliver

May 25th, 2011 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Patrick Smellie at Stuff reports:

For one of the most fearsome tax minds in the country, departing deputy Inland Revenue Department commissioner Robin Oliver is more imp than ogre.

Robin has been head of policy for IRD for many years, and is hugely respected.

His views on what makes tax policy work are carbon copy Roger Douglas, but he can just as easily whip up a good line in class warfare when describing the kind of social balance a tax system must achieve to succeed.

Grinning, he illustrates a point by asking whether it would be “acceptable for me to retire with international investments, sit on a beach paying almost no tax and using the health system, while some family in South Auckland pays enormous taxes, working double shifts cleaning offices”.

And receiving non means tested NZ super!

His proudest moment was when a meeting of New Zealand businesspeople and accountants rejected the previous government’s research and development tax credits as bad policy.

“All the big four [accounting firms] had to pay off staff and close parts of their businesses, but they never lobbied to keep [the tax credits] because it wasn’t right in their view.”

Yes, I suspect schemes such as R&D tax credits create huge amounts of work for accountancy firms, as companies reclassify expenditure to qualify for the tax credits, It probably creates a mini-industry around how to gain the tax credits.

Mr Oliver says the big tax issues don’t change much over time – the rate, concessions versus broad base, tax everyone or only some people – and there are still only three places to turn for tax: labour income, capital income and land.

Yet he defends the lack of New Zealand capital gains and land taxes.

“It’s not purist, just a practicality,” he says, noting that IRD changed from advocating capital gains to believing it couldn’t be done efficiently.

“No one taxes the family home and, in New Zealand, what do you do about farming? The common farming career progression is to trade to larger farms. A capital gains tax would kill that. What would you do about communally owned Maori land? Capital taxes are levied at death. You can’t tax Maori land that way.”

The alternative is a capital gains tax as complex as Australia’s, where “they have whole conferences on what should be in and what should be out”.

Labur are thought to be considering proposing a capital gains tax. If they do, and win the election, I predict great times for the tax industry as lawyers and accountants prosper.

I do believe a land tax has some merit, so long as it is not about increasing the overall level of taxation.

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IRD Service

December 15th, 2010 at 3:29 pm by David Farrar

I needed to get a copy of some old tax summaries from the IRD. I was dreading spending half my day doing so, but had a very pleasant surprise.

My first call had the robot tell me that I could hold on, or have someone call me back (at my place in the queue). This would have been a great thing to do if the wait was ages. As it happened, they said the wait was only 2 -4 minutes, so I held on and I got to a human within three minutes.

The staffer understood what I needed and told me I could either request them by post (which takes ages) or get myself a login and retirieve them myself. I already had a business login, but not a persomal one. I decided to give the personal login a go, but was nervous that it would again takes ages.

Went to the website, filled in the forms in around 90 seconds. Then phoned the validation phone number and they asked me some questions. In well under five minutes my account is operative.

I login to IRD, and locate the tax summaries I need, save them as pdfs and e-mail them to my bank. Total time is less than 10 minutes.

I am seriously impressed with that sort of service. Well done IRD.

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CTU asks UNITE to explain unpaid PAYE tax

December 3rd, 2010 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

In a follow up to the story I blogged about yesterday, Rebecca Stevenson at the Dom Post reports:

The Council of Trade Unions wants an explanation from Unite on why it failed to pay the IRD more than $36,000 in PAYE on behalf of its employees.

Unite, one of New Zealand’s largest unions, owed IRD over $130,000 for the year ended March 2009 (its most recent filing), including more than $57,000 in unpaid GST. For the same financial year its liabilities outweighed its assets by more than $170,000.

It is the unpaid PAYE that will be causing most concern, as this is in fact money owed by the employees to the IRD, and UNITE has appropriated it for its own purposes. It is the sort of stuff that the newspaper boss Maxwell did – but on a much smaller scale.

Unite head Matt McCarten confirmed yesterday that the union owed money to the IRD but said he had made choices to pay for union campaigns rather than clear the debt. “I don’t shy away from these decisions, I make the calls.”

He said Unite paid $8000 in PAYE each month to the IRD but kept incurring late payment penalties. He claimed not to know exactly how much it owed the IRD.

The late penalties do add up – as many businesses know. But if it was a deliberate decision to keep running campaigns, instead of paying off the debt, then few will have sympathy.

He agreed it was not a good look for a workers’ union to fail to pay its employees’ tax.

I don’t think Matt realises how bad a look it is. The next time UNITE or Matt calls for greater government spending, this issue will arise.

CTU president Helen Kelly said Unite did good work in an area that was difficult and expensive to organise. That required it to juggle its finances. “All unions are always short of resources.”

However, when questioned on Unite’s tax failure, she said: “I need an explanation for that”.

I’m not sure I would say all unions are short of resources. The combined wealth of the union movement puts the Business Roundtable, Business NZ, and the Chambers of Commerce to shame. I did a blog post a couple of years back comparing them.

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Is UNITE solvent?

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm by David Farrar

Daniel on Twitter pointed me to the audited accounts for the UNITE union, which are filed with the Registrar of Incorporated Societies.

The accounts to 31 March 2009 reveal the following:

  • Their liabilities exceed their assets by around $172,000
  • Their bank account is over-drawn to $63,000
  • They owe the IRD around $130,000
  • They have an agreement with IRD to pay the debt off at $8,000 per month
  • They have a $30,000 loan from the National Distribution Trust, which presumably is associated with the ND Union.

This is a very bad look for a trade union, as some of their unpaid tax is PAYE. That means that have been taking the tax off their staff, and rather than pay it to the IRD, have kept onto it.

Employers who do that are labelled thieves and bad employers. It is seen as worse as not paying income tax because it is not tax on your own income, it is tax on behalf of your employees and you are acting in a role as trustee to deduct and pass on.

The 2010 accounts have not been filed. Hopefully they have paid back the IRD.

I like Matt McCarten – he is a genuine advocate for his beliefs. But to advocate that the state should be spending far more money, and have your own union not paying their taxes, exposes you to charges of hypocrisy.

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Gift Duty abolished

November 2nd, 2010 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Brian Fallow in the Herald reports:

The Government is to abolish gift duty, confident any risks to creditor protection or the targeting of social assistance programmes can be met by other laws.

The 125-year-old tax has brought in an average of $2.2 million a year over the past seven years, and on a declining trend.

But officials estimate it imposes $70 million a year in compliance costs on taxpayers, or rather on non-taxpayers, as only about 900 or 0.4 per cent of the 225,000 gift duty statements filed to the Inland Revenue a year disclose a liability to pay the tax.

A sensible move by Peter Dunne. Peter has been a revenue Minister in three separate governments, and has actually a achieved a lot of useful reform.

The good news with the law change is that Kiwblog readers can now donate more than $27,000 per annum to me, without attracting gift duty :-)

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Let the IRD collect your pay for you!

September 8th, 2010 at 9:05 am by David Farrar

The Telegraph reports:

The tax authorities are consulting accountants, lawyers and businesses on the plans to reform the pay-as-you-earn (PAYE) system. …

To make PAYE more accurate, Treasury ministers have suggested that employers should provide HMRC with monthly updates on workers’ salary payments and other financial details.Such “real time information” could then be used as the basis of a new “centralised deductions” system that would give HMRC an unprecedented role in workers’ monthly salary payments.

Under the centralised deductions system, employers would pay workers’ monthly salary into a central calculator run by HMRC.

There, income tax deductions would be made automatically and the net salary then passed on to the worker by HMRC.

Body … dead … over.

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IRD moves online

June 10th, 2010 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Taxpayers’ business with the Inland Revenue Department will be mainly done online within two years.

The switch from letters will deliver “substantial” savings but may also cost jobs and raise privacy issues.

Revenue Minister Peter Dunne yesterday said the Government was seeking public feedback on proposed “major” changes “to simplify the tax system and make it easier for people to manage their tax affairs”.

Proposals include allowing people to “self-manage” most of their tax and social assistance entitlements such as Working for Families using a secure area on the IRD’s website in a process akin to internet banking.

This will be useful and popular. Those with student loan balances should be able to go in and see how much is still owing, make a deposit etc. Also from what I understand you will be able to see at any time how much tax you have paid that year through PAYE, and how much you should have paid overall.

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Payroll Giving

January 6th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

One of the minor law changes made last year, is to enable payroll giving. This allows you to make a donation to charity through your employer (if they choose to participate) and you automatically get the tax rebate.

In other words if you donate $6 a week to a charity through payroll giving, then your net pay only drops by $4 a week, as the $2 a week rebate is automatically claimed back for you.

This scheme goes operative on Thursday 7 January 2010, for those who file electronically with the IRD. I’m certainly going to offer it to my employees, as it involves miniscule admin work for employers – it is all done automatically.

Also an an employee, I’d find it great. I always find it a hassle keeping all my donation receipts and then having to file for a rebate/refund from IRD. To have it happen automatically will be a real time saver.

There is a short IRD guidebook on it, plus an employee FAQ and employer FAQ.

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Tax Avoidance

October 26th, 2009 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The SST reports:

Finance minister Bill English has signalled the government will next year get tough with tax-dodgers by closing loopholes that allow wage earners to avoid paying their share of tax.

The IRD says the government is missing out on $300 million a year because of wage earners who squirrel away money into trust accounts to avoid paying the top income tax rate. More is lost because of earnings that are “sheltered” by a company created solely to avoid tax.

Not sure how you can legislate to fix that.

The IRD, in its latest submission to the Tax Working Group, says the problem is that New Zealand’s multitude of tax rates is encouraging bad behaviour.

Oh I am sure it is.

It said the trust account and company tax rates were too far out of line with income tax rates. Taxpayers were placing income in a trust account, paying 33 cents for every dollar earned, rather than the top rate of 38c. Another common ploy was for individual taxpayers to “shelter” their money by creating a company so that they paid 30 cents of every dollar earned in tax rather than the top rate.

The preferred solution is to lower the top tax rate – in fact that is the Govt’s official goal – to have a top tax rate of 30% for individuals, companies and trusts.

The IRD says that when the top income tax rate of 39 cents (now 38 cents) was applied to earnings of $60,000+ in 2000, a flood of taxpayers rearranged their finances to avoid the new regime.

I understand the number of people who declared they earned exactly $60,000 increased literally exponentially.

English said large-scale “legitimate avoidance behaviour” by higher-income earners undermined the goodwill of lower-income earners.

“It’s quite telling that there has been virtually no growth in the number of people paying tax on $1 million of annual income, since the 39 cent top personal tax rate was introduced 10 years ago.

So reduce the incentives for avoidance and cut the top tax rate. When Muldoon’s top tax rate of 66% was dropped to 33%, it killed off much of the avoidance industry. Cullen recreated it.

Also some of the reason for no growth in people paying tax on a million dollars of income, is they have gone overseas.

“As a country, we want families, businesses, accountants and lawyers looking at how to unlock greater income and productivity, not working out how to minimise their tax.

“We don’t want people spending their time and resources trying to avoid tax. We also don’t want IRD devoting all its time to chasing tax and compliance issues.”

Then again drop the top tax rate!

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Thanks Westpac

October 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The Inland Revenue Department is welcoming a ruling from the High Court in Auckland ordering Westpac to pay $961 million in back taxes.

That must be a record!

I’d say Bill English and Peter Dunne are pretty happy today.

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Thank you very much for your kind donation

July 17th, 2009 at 8:04 am by David Farrar

That is the theme song Bill English and Peter Dunne are probably humming to themselves, after the IRD won a court case with the BNZ, resulting in a judgement for the Crown of $645 million, and a potential precedent for the total $2.4 billion in dispute.

The decision will of course be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, so Bill and Peter shouldn’t rush to the mailbox to look for a cheque.

With credit rating agency Fitch placing NZ on negative outlook, the Government will want all the money it can get. The potential downgrade reinforces how vital it is to keep the pressure on low quality spending to prevent a downgrade that will cost consumers, businesses and taxpayers. This shows how reckless Labour’s contnual demands for more spending are.

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IRD vs the banks

June 15th, 2009 at 8:29 am by David Farrar

The Dom Post reports:

The Inland Revenue Department is asking the High Court to rewrite tax law in a $641 million tax avoidance case between it and the BNZ, the bank says. …

And:

BNZ is the first of the four main trading banks to challenge Inland Revenue’s claims of tax avoidance by using so-called structured financial transactions, involving foreign financial institutions between 1998 and 2002. The banks have been assessed to owe about $2 billion in unpaid taxes and interest. Inland Revenue claims the transactions generated tax losses through fees and hedging costs which the bank then used to offset other taxable income.

But BNZ’s lawyer Alan Galbraith, QC, said in his closing submissions to the High Court at Wellington that Inland Revenue’s case was “fundamentally misconceived” in the legal interpretation and tests, and the commercial and economic reality of the deals. Inland Revenue had also incorrectly inferred that, if Parliament had mistakenly failed to bar the use of structured financial transactions in tax legislation, the court could remedy the situation.

There is a lot at risk with these cases. I understand from informed sources close to one of the banks, that they have offered to settle the case for around $500 million. Informally it seems this was acceptable to Ministers, but that Crown Law was strongly against any settlement.

I understand that until the cases are resolved, there is considerable uncertainity over funding arrangements for the banks, and this is partly why interest rates are not dropping more.

I don’t know the strength of the Government’s case, but I imagine questions will be asked if they lose the case, after declining half a billion dollar settlement. And if the banks do lose, I suspect it will end up in the Supreme Court in a few years. And the problem is that until we get a final Supreme Court ruling, uncertainity may remain.

UPDATE: An informed source tells me that the Government is not facing much risk due to the Supreme Court decision in Trinity. They agree it will go to the Supreme Court but are very confident that the cost of doing so will be a small fraction of the eventual judgement.  Also that IRD generally can not agree to part settlements – only to reduce or waive penalties.

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Small world

April 22nd, 2009 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Had an amusing phone call with IRD yesterday.

Rang them up to activate my new IR File account (and kudos to IRD – I love what I can now access online) and the staffer did that for me. He then asked if there was anything else he could do, and I had a small refund owing to me from a few years ago (I lost the cheque they sent so it has been sitting there as a credit balance). So I asked if I could get the credit balance paid out.

As we were about to do that, I inquired whether it might be better to transfer the credit balance from my personal account to my company account. This would be beneficial in reducing net interest. As I am 100% owner of my company, this is meant to be possible.

The staffer then needed to look up my company in the Companies Register, to check this out and did so. Then he came back on the line having discovered it also owns and trades as Curia Market Research (my polling company). He informed me that he actually used to work for me as a pollster in the evenings.

Now that is a very small world – discovering the IRD staffer used to work for you. Unfortunately for me it also meant he could not complete my request as he was conflicted so I was transferred to another staffer (who was also very helpful).

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IRD here to help

March 19th, 2009 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Kudos to the IRD for their attitude:

If putting off paying tax is what a company needs to do to survive, then it should, the Commissioner of Inland Revenue says.

IRD is urging businesses to get in contact at the earliest opportunity if they are having trouble meeting their tax obligations.

Bob Russell said the department could ease the burden in a number of ways, such as agreeing to payments in instalments and waiving penalties.

Tax payments can be challenging for some businesses, especially that you often have to pay tax on income before you have always received it all.

However be aware you will still have to pay interest, and IRD interest will be more than what you can borrow comercially for.

IRD charged use-of-money interest – currently 9.73 per cent, having dropped from 14.24 per cent as part of the Government’s small-business relief package – and it was not opposed to companies considering that as a banking facility if they needed to for a time.

“In fact we might think that that’s a good strategy for them if they come and talk to us and get into an instalment arrangement,” Russell said.

“We’re prepared to wait a little while, the interest will accrue but the penalties can be turned off while they do the things they need to do to survive and get past their difficult time.”

Very reasonable.

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Tourism back-taxes

August 20th, 2008 at 8:20 am by David Farrar

NBR has a disturbing story:

Inbound Tour Operators Council of New Zealand president Brian Henderson said that the IRD had reneged on a formal written agreement signed in 2001, about the GST tax treatment of the fees that operators charged to overseas wholesalers for arranging tours.

The industry followed initial advice that the fees should be zero-rated, but the IRD had since changed its mind.

IRD officials said last week that they would seek back taxes initially around $50m, but they reduced that to two years’ worth or around $30m, Mr Henderson said.

Paying back taxes would put some members out of business.

This is the reality for many small businesses. They simply won’t have the money to pay taxes they have not budgeted for.

I have no issue that the IRD can change its mind about how the tax laws work. But it would seem much fairer to only apply their new thinking from the date they publish it to all affected taxpayers, and not to apply it retrospectively when it contradicts their previous advice. A hallmark of the law is meant to be certainity.

One News covered this last night, as did Three News.

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Winston’s response

July 25th, 2008 at 5:37 pm by David Farrar

NZPA reports on Winston’s response:

Television New Zealand News has shown Mr Peters saying he has no involvement with the Spencer Trust, into which Sir Robert Jones paid $25,000 when he believed he was giving a donation to Mr Peters.

Mr Peters also said Sir Robert was wrong when he claimed Mr Peters had asked him for the donation.

Mr Peters told journalists they should ask the Spencer Trust what they did with the money.

“I have been advised by party officials at the time that there is nothing NZ First is required to disclose arising from the Spencer Trust,” Mr Peters said.

The headline is that Peters has suggested Sir Robert’s memory is fading. I suspect that was very unwise of him.

He has issued a press release:

1. The Glenn contribution went to my barrister Brian Henry. As soon as I learned of it I informed the Prime Minister and alerted the media.

But he never thought to ask Brian earlier if the mystery $100,000 donor was Owen Glenn.

2. The issue of taxation on this contribution is without merit. Legal experts have said so.

Which legal experts? Opinion is divided as far as I can tell. In the end not that big an issue as the IRD will form its own view.

3. No gift duty is payable. Gift duty is based on the laws of the country where the donor is domiciled.

See earlier post for differing views on this.

4. No declaration of pecuniary interest is required. This was made clear by the official advice given to Nick Smith as he revealed in the House this week.

Not at all. In fact Nick Smith did declare a beneficial interest.

5. The Vela cheque is lawful.

I don’t think anyone has suggested it wasn’t. The issue is the hypocrisy of hiding your large donors when you rail against other parties that do the same.

6. The Robert Jones claim that he gave $25,000 to New Zealand First?

- The cheque was made out to the Spencer Trust.
- The cheque was not made out to New Zealand First.

Here is where he just won’t front up, and just states a truism. Everyone knows who the cheque was made out to. The issue is why NZ First representatives are soliciting money on behalf of NZ First and asking for it to be paid into The Spencer Trust.

Is Peters really saying that Sir Robert Jones decided on his own initiative to donate $25,000 to a trust he has never heard of, and that it is unlinked to NZ First?

And never mind the hypocrisy of his attacks on other trusts.

- I have been advised by party officials at the time that there is nothing New Zealand First is required to disclose arising from the Spencer Trust.

Your own President and Deputy Leader say they have never heard of The Spencer Trust so how could they know anything about what the Spencer Trust may have done on behalf of NZ First?

7. Neither I nor my barrister has any involvement with the Spencer Trust.

Note the careful use of language. He says “involvement”. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t know exactly who has paid money into The Spencer Trust and what that money has been spent on. Knowledge is not involvement.

And what Winston doesn’t matter is that his brother runs the Trust. Are we to believe this is a coincidence? And can Winston explain why members of his parliamentary staff were soliciting money for the Spencer Trust?

8. The claim that the 1997 Cushing case settlement of $125,000 was paid by an anonymous donor is untrue. I paid the costs and have offered to show the reporter in question the details. This offer has not been taken up and no withdrawal of the claim has been published.

However it is a mystery who paid the $40,000 costs to Bob Clarkson in the 2005/6 case?

I can’t wait for Sir Robert’s reaction!

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More on tax issues re the Glenn donation

July 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

I blogged on Tuesday some expert opinion on the tax issues around Owen Glenn’s donations. I discovered a surprisingly high number of lawyers read this blog and many of them contributed to the thread. Many suggested the gift duty was dependent on whether Owen Glenn was a NZ tax domicile.

Mark Keating, who was quoted in the Herald also, has sent me a response to the comments:

I quote sections of the Estate & Gift Duty Act 1968 to establish that, regardless of the residence of the donor, the money is still subject to gift duty.

First, the definition of “gift” in s 2 is:”any disposition of property, whereever and howsoever made”.

That is pretty wide you will agree!

Second, that general definition in s 2 is further expanded upon to include a whole range of transactions where 1 party gives / receives more than the other (ie, any bargain that is intended to be unequal is effectively treated as a gift – so I cannot sell my house to you for $10 and say “that is just our contract”.  If the bargain is unequal, then it will be considered a gift under the Act).  The list of those examples of what kind of transactions can be gifts is, not surprisingly, very long … but it specifically includes:

” the payment, release, discharge, surrender, forfeiture or abandonment of any debt”.

So beyond any doubt (as you would expect) the payment by Owen Glenn of $100k of Peters’ legal fees is a “gift”.

But the residence issue is dealt with elsewhere, in s 63(1).  It specifically says a gift is subject to gift duty if it is made by a person who is domiciled in NZ (category 1, which will not apply here) or (category 2):

“all property situated in NZ, comprised in any gift made by any donor to any donee, where the donor is domiciled OUT OF NZ at the date of the gift” (my emphasis).

So it DOES catch donations made by persons who are not domiciled in NZ, provided “the property is situated in NZ”.  In those cases, the residence of the donor is irrellevant.  The people who made comments have only identified category 1, and ignored category 2 gifts.

So you have to determine IF the property “is situated in NZ”.  That is determined by s 63(2), which lists when (and when not) property is “situated in NZ”.  Again, it includes a very long list of things that are caught and things that are not.  But within that list is included:

“(e) a debt owed by a person … is treated as property situated in NZ if any of the debtors are resident in NZ”.

So:
(1) the debt was WP’s personal legal bill, and
(2) WP is resident in NZ, then
= the debt is treated as property situated in NZ = so gift duty is payable upon that debt.

And I have to say, that is the LOGICAL result.  Would your commentators really expect that $100k given to pay a NZers debts in NZ is not subject to Gift Duty.  I mean,  come on (!) – IRD are a bit smarter than that!!!  To have this kind of donation excluded would be a MASSIVE loophole in the Act.

So you can confidently respond to those who have made comments that the residence of Glenn IS irrelevant.  The legal debt owed by WP (who is a NZ resident) is sufficient to mean the gift is subject to NZ Gift Duty.

I am not a tax lawyer of course but Mark’s comments seem very strong to me.

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The tax on the $100,000

July 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm by David Farrar

The media have started to look at the tax issues around the secret $100,000 donation. It is indeed quite probable that there is an unresolved tax issue around it.

A tax lawyer has helpfully made the following points to me:

  • Normally gifts are not considered to be income but it can extend to include “gifts” given for extra services or additional benefits beyond expectation.
  • If Owen Glenn gave the $100,000 as a mark of satisfaction with Winston’s past services as an MP or in the expectation of some future benefit to be bestowed, then the money would constitute income.
  • It is irrelevant that the money was paid to Brian Henry and not to Winston personally. The Income Tax Act is very clear that, as it was Winston’s legal bill that was being paid, it would be his income.
  • Bank and lawyers’ trust account records are not protected by legal privilege. The Tax Administration Act expressly states IRD can have access to all financial records. There is no “privilege” in payments, only in legal advice.
  • Even if the secret donation is not treated as income for Winston, and is a “genuine gift” then the Estate and Gift Duties Act applies.
  • A gift of $100,000 would attract gift duty of $12,850.
  • When a gift is made, the Act requires the person making the gift to pay the duty within three months.
  • If the giver does not do so, the liability automatically passes to the recipient who must then pay the gift duty.
  • A failure to do so constitutes a criminal offence under the Tax Administration Act.
  • Interest and penalties on any gift duty not paid on time would have more than doubled the original $12.850 owing.

Now assuming it is seen as a gift and not income for services provided, it is possible Owen Glenn paid the gift duty. If he did not then it sounds unlikely it has been paid, as Henry and Peters keep arguing it is not a gift. That means the liability would still be resting with Peters.

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How the donation was made

July 21st, 2008 at 7:40 am by David Farrar

Very interesting to look closely at the words in the media from Brian Henry and Mike Williams this morning. In the Herald:

Winston Peters’ lawyer says a tip-off led him to approach billionaire Owen Glenn for a large donation to the NZ First leader’s legal bills.

Now this tip-off could have been from Winston or from Mike Williams. Also of note if Henry says he solicted the donation while Winston Peters in his February perss conference said that they never approached or asked anyone for money. Of course what Winston meant was they never solicit donations to NZ First but they go hell for leather for personal donations to his legal fund.

Brian Henry said last night he asked the Monaco-based businessman for help after another donor did not deliver.

How many secret donors have there been?

“We made it well known around friendly political circles – or I did – that I was looking for a donor.”

Doesn’t that sounds like a perfect description of Mike Williams?

Mr Henry said he could not recall who had advised him to contact Mr Glenn when the original funder of the legal action fell through, but it was not Mr Peters.

Nor was it Mike Williams, the president of the Labour Party which has also received Glenn donations.

“I can’t off the top of my head remember who it was who told me to call him.”

Oh of course. You can not remember who told you to go hit Owen Glenn up for $100,000 but you can recall it wasn’t Winston or Mike Williams.

Mr Henry said no fund or account for Mr Peters’ legal bills existed.

“The position is that the money is used to pay an existing bill, full-stop.

There is no fund. There is no cash sitting in a balance anywhere. There are bills to be paid.”

Now this is fascinating. Because paying off a bill on behalf of Winston Peters is effectively a donation to him, and there are definite tax implications for that. More on that later.

But let us turn back to the requirements of the Register of Pecuniary Interests:

a description of all debts of more than $500 that were owing by the member that were discharged or paid (in whole or in part) by any other person and the names of each of those persons,

So Brian Henry has just confirmed the Register is incorrect for Winston Peters. And Winston would have been well aware that his legal bills had just dropped by $100,000. Plus it is possible he gets Brian Henry to file his annual return, so any excuses for an incorrect return are shot.

Mr Henry would not discuss why he had not alerted Mr Peters about the donation in February, when Mr Peters denied Mr Glenn had made a donation.

It was of course logical and sensible to let your close friend and client remain in the dark.

Asked about pecuniary gain, Mr Peters told NZPA he did not believe he had benefited personally from the arrangement whereby his legal bills were paid by anonymous donors and he paid the shortfall.

Mr Henry concurred last night.

“There is nothing I am aware of where someone contributing towards a bill you have incurred needs to be declared.”

These men are lawyers? They have to be kidding. They think paying a bill on behalf of someone is not beneficial. Hey let’s pay off Winston’s mortgage for him – that doesn’t count also.

What they say also is directly contradicted by Standing Orders and the Register of Pecuniary Interests.

Henry’s insistence that paying off Winston’s bill isn’t a donation to Winston strongly suggests he did not pay tax on that donation. I suggest a question the nice Peter Dunne, Minister of Revenue would be in order:

“To the Minister of Revenue: What is the position of the Inland Revenue Department as to liable tax if an individual has another individual pay $100,000 debt on their behalf”

Also yet to be resolved is if that $100,000 donation was in any way linked to the large closer to $100,000 than $10,000 sum which appeared in the NZ First bank account in December 2007?

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IRD fibbed about brochure which might breach EFA

June 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm by David Farrar

A fascinating story by NZPA in the Herald:

Inland Revenue canned a KiwiSaver brochure because of fears it would be used for electioneering, despite at the time saying it was pulled for commercial reasons.

This came after Mike Williams endorsed the suggestion of a Labour NZ Council member to use IRD brochures to electioneer.

Mr English said the IRD should come clean and release the scrapped brochure.

Yes they should.

And also of note:

Solicitor-General David Collins, QC, told MPs that advice and legal action concerning the act had created a significant workload for the Crown Law Office.

This was due to departments taking a cautious approach and seeking advice on the law and whether they would be breaching it.

The office was also involved in two court cases, and another was to begin shortly. Dr Collins said he was also aware of a number of other upcoming legal actions.

But Mr Dr Collins, your Minister of Justice said the law of common sense would apply!

Justice Minister Annette King was also quizzed about why the Electoral Commission was taking so long to respond to a request for rulings on whether material breached the legislation.

Ms King said the commission was an independent body and questions should be put to it.

She said there had been a request for more funding but as far as she was aware the commission had adequate resources.

An IRD spokesman said that it was its job to keep people informed about their obligations and their entitlements.

This is crap. It is outraegous the Government has not given the Electoral Commission more funding. Even if it was a sensible law, the EFA gives considerable extra workload to the Electoral Commission (which was basically just a CEO, a Comms person and someone who answers the phone) which would necessitate extra resource for them. Add on the murkiness of the EFA (which the Commission CEO publicly warned about) and it is somewhat scandalous the Government has refused extra funding.

Back to the IRD:

“We had originally planned for a KiwiSaver information leaflet to go to all households but given the high uptake of KiwiSaver we decided earlier that it did not need to go so widely.”

Well yes as every worker is opted in when they change jobs, and as pretty much every employer gives employees info on KiwiSaver, there would be little need for a pamphlet to every household. I wonder who suggested there should be?

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The $600 million mistake

March 18th, 2008 at 2:52 pm by David Farrar

My God. The January Crown Accounts had a $600 million error in them. IRD failed to update the provisional tax take, which is why tax revenue was around $700 million below forecast.

Vernon Small blogs that Cullen is furious. I would be also. This is not a minor error. And the fact that the tax figures were below forecast for the first time ever, is all the more reason why it should have been triple-checked.

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