This is beyond cool. The kid gets tackled by security for running onto the ground, and ends up with Sonny Bill giving him his World Cup Medal. Have you ever seen a bigger grin on a kid?
I thought it was Dan Carter’s last two kicks that won us the World Cup but that awesome last minute try was the icing on the cake.
What an awesome game and worthy World Cup Final.
The 34-17 score doesn’t reflect how very close it was in that second half until the very end. I got very nervous after the second Wallaby try.
Kudos to the Wallabies for an great match, but well done the All Blacks for retaining the World Cup led by the greatest rugby player of them all – Richie McCaw.
A nation celebrates.
A “high number” of Kiwis are turned-off by our national sport but are too afraid to voice their opinion, according to an Auckland professor.
Auckland university associate professor Toni Bruce has been researching people’s attitudes towards the Rugby World Cup, based on similar surveys conducted during 2007 and 2011 tournaments.
The sport sociologist says a “silent majority” of New Zealanders are so far not enamoured with the tournament, having received responses from 232 people. The age of participants ranged from 20 to 80, with an almost spread between categories.
A survey of 232 people is very small. It has a 6.5% margin of error if it is a random sample.
Bruce said there are limitations to the survey, despite it receiving a “range of responses”. For example, those who are not interested in rugby are more likely to submit because they feel it’s a “safe place” to share their opposition. The gender difference is also weighted more towards women.
Sounds like it was a self-selecting survey, which is basically worthless.
UMR did a scientific poll in 2011 about what news stories people followed. 83% of NZers said they closely followed the story of the All Blacks winning the Rugby World Cup.
It seems to have been fashionable for some to declare they don’t like rugby and don’t care about the world cup. And of course not all sports appeal to everyone, but as I say it seems to be fashionable in some circles to declare your lack of interest.
I don’t follow hockey closely. But if the Black Sticks are in with a chance to win the world cup, I start following them more closely and will watch them play. I follow the Silver Ferns closely and watch their games when I can. It is not a choice of supporting rugby or other sports – you can do both.
UPDATE: The survey is here, and is obviously a self-selecting survey. This means any quantitative data (ie more people are turned off rugby) is pretty useless, even though there can be useful qualitative data (why some people are turned off)
I was at Twickenham for the NZ semi-final and for most of the match it reminded me of the 2011 final against France – terrified we would lose.
It wasn’t the best game in the world to watch. I grew to hate the referee as he dished out nine penalties almost non-stop to the All Blacks in the first half.
The Springboks never got ahead by more than seven points, so was always optimistic NZ would come through, but the South African defence and tackling was very impressive first half – so much so NZ started kicking as they couldn’t break through most of the time.
Dan Carter’s conversion seemed the turning point. To only be two points behind had us within striking, and then the second try. But it was only around minute 78 when the Springboks were nowhere near the halfway line, that the All Black supporters in the crowd started to relax. The nightmare of scoring two tries to zero but losing against six penalties and a possible drop goal receded. And much celebrating and just relief at half time.
The All Blacks performance didn’t seem that impressive at the time, as the scoreline dominates your thinking, but looking at the match stats does indicate that it was a strong, even if undisciplined, performance:
- 387 metres vs 149 metres
- 20 defenders beaten vs three
- Only three missed tackles vs 20
- 96% rucks won vs 90%
- 100% lineouts won vs 77%
- However 14 penalties vs six
Did I mention how much I disliked the referee again?
Great to see the All Blacks make the final – the first time since 1995 away from home.. In fact we have never won the Rugby World Cup away from NZ, so this is NZ’s chance to do so. I’m hoping Argentina beats Australia of course. In a NZ vs Argentina final we’ll have the entire English crowd cheering for us 🙂
So was great to see an All Black victory, but also to see them play at Twickenham. They have moved the entry gates to include the area next to the stadium so there was great pre-game hospitality with tents and entertainment.
Impressed with the overall organisation. Getting to the game was a tube to Richmond, then shuttle to a few hundred metres from the stadium. Hundreds of volunteers to guide you. Did get soaked after the game, but by then didn’t care. And the tube trip back into London saw great conversations between All Blacks and Springbok supporters – no sore feelings, lots of congratulating both teams, and lots of hatred for the referee from both lots of supporters!
Can’t wait for the final!
Rugby World Cup bosses have officially confirmed South African referee Craig Joubert blundered in awarding Australia a penalty that handed them victory over Scotland. …
World Rugby said in a statement said they had conducted a full review of match officials’ performance and clarified Joubert’s decision, finding he had made a mistake and should have awarded a scrum to Australia for an initial knock-on.
They said Joubert had incorrectly applied law 11.7 penalising Scotland’s Jon Welsh, who had played the ball following a knock-on by a team-mate, resulting in an offside.
“On review of all available angles, it is clear that after the knock-on, the ball was touched by Australia’s Nick Phipps and law 11.3(c) states that a player can be put on-side by an opponent who intentionally plays the ball.“In this case, law 11.3(c) should have been applied, putting Welsh onside. The appropriate decision, therefore, should have been a scrum to Australia for the original knock-on.
Few people mourned England getting knocked out early, but it was a shame to see Wales, Ireland and Scotland all exit the World Cup as they put up spirited performances.
South Africa only scraped home 23 to 19 against Wales
Ireland were competitive with Argentina for a while but Argentina then piled it on win 43 to 20.
And a thriller of a match as Australia only won with a final minute penalty to beat Scotland 35 to 34. Scotland played an amazing games.
I’m actually looking forward to Argentina playing Australia in the 2nd semi-final. If both teams played like they did today, Argentina could win.
NZ’s chances are looking quite reasonable at this stage. We were the only semifinalist to easily win our quarter, and smashed France. If we play the next two games as we did against France, we should win.
But if we play below our best, and Australia, Argentina or South Africa recover some form then it can be all over in 80 minutes.
Current betfair odds are:
- NZ 1.64
- Australia 4.4
- South Africa 8.8
- Argentina 18
The 2007 demons are dead, buried, beatified, and resting peacefully in heaven!
A stunning performance from the All Blacks who scored more points against France in a quarter-final than they did against Argentina, Namibia, Georgia or Tonga in the pool play.
Nine tries is an all time record for a RWC quarter-final.
South Africa’s narrow victory over Wales will have them very nervous for their semi-final against the All Blacks. But we’re in sudden death territory now, so one can only hope for another performance like today.
This match, and the recent Eden Park match against Australia have both seen the All Blacks at near their best. Their best is simply hard to beat. The challenge is to keep the intensity up.
Julian Savea was simply amazing. Three great tries.
So what are the odds for the quarter-finals, according to Betfair?
- Australia 1.12
- NZ 1.21
- South Africa 1.37
- Ireland 1.56
- Argentina 3.0
- Wales 4.0
- France 6.6
- Scotland 10.5
The odds for making the final are:
- Australia 1.59
- NZ 1.60
- Ireland 3.8
- South Africa 3.9
And the odds of winning the final:
- NZ 2.26
- Australia 3.65
- South Africa 8.2
- Ireland 12.0
A good victory to Ireland at 24 to 9, which means NZ will face France in our quarter-final.
The pools are not even, but still interesting to look at the net points scored by each team. The are:
- New Zealand +125
- South Africa +120
- Argentina +109
- Australia +106
- Ireland +99
- England +58
- France +57
- Wales +49
- Scotland +43
- Japan -12
- Italy -14
- Fiji -17
- Samoa -55
- Tonga -60
- Romania -69
- Georgia -70
- Canada -73
- USA -96
- Namibia -104
- Uruguay -196
We now know the eight semi-finalists, but don’t yet know whether we play France or Ireland.
Another day of lower rated countries playing incredibly well, but not quite making it. Wales did great to hold the Wallabies to 15 points, and Samoa played a blinder to be only three points behind Scotland.
So the quarter-finals are:
- South Africa vs Wales
- NZ vs France or Ireland
- France or Ireland vs Argentina
- Australia vs Scotland
Meanwhile tickets for England’s last game are now on sale for two and a half pounds 🙂
I think (hope) the first semi-final will be NZ vs South Africa.
The second one should be Australia vs either France or Ireland.
And hopefully a NZ vs Australia final. I’d take NZ vs Ireland also, but please not NZ vs France again!
Now that was a great game.
Before it began I said I wanted All Blacks to get four tries, and not concede any.
They scored seven.
And Tonga played really well – best performance I have seen from them. The first 50 minutes saw them very competitive and they came damn close to scoring.
This is just what we needed. A performance that showed our quarter final opponents how formidable we could be, and no injuries (well maybe one). A bit undisciplined at times, but overall a very good performance.
Now all eyes on France vs Ireland to see who we play in the quarter-final. I hope it is France as I’d rather face them earlier on.
Australia and Wales both on 13 points with a game to go. Have to favour Australia in their head to head.
South Africa 11, Scotland 10 and Japan 8 all with a game to go.
South Africa should get bonus point vs USA and finish top.
Scotland should beat Samoa so likely 2nd.
NZ 14 and Argentina 10 with a game to go each.
France 14 and Ireland 10 but Ireland has two games to go. They are currently just ahead vs Italy though!
Assume France beats Ireland and Ireland beats Italy.
So the four QFs still look like:
- South Africa vs Wales
- NZ vs Ireland
- France vs Argentina
- Australia vs Scotland
Well thank goodness we’re not in the pool of death, or we may be dead.
Three games down, and all pretty scratchy. One against a mid-level country, and two against minnows. And they all scored tries against us, and we never looked dominant.
Credit to Georgia for playing so well. I do love how the World Cup inspires the less ranked countries to put in their best performances.
Tonga could push us quite hard next weekend.
The pools are looking interesting.
Pool A – Australia probably to top and Wales may come second unless England beat them. The two bonus points for England should see them through if they do.
Pool B – South Africa should still top followed by Scotland
Pool C -All Blacks and probably Argentina
Pool D – France followed by Ireland
So quarter-finals may be:
- South Africa vs Wales
- NZ vs Ireland
- France vs Argentina
- Australia vs Scotland
Possible semis are:
- South Africa vs NZ
- France vs Australia
Not even going to predict the final!
Incredible. Wales beat England 28 to 25. This has been such an unpredictable World Cup.
If England lose to Australia the host nation may not even make the semi-final!
Sideways rain and a biting cold was no deterrent for die-hard Wellington rugby fans who got up in the middle of the night to support the All Blacks.
Hundreds of fans turned out to Wellington bars to see New Zealand play Argentina live at 3.20 Monday morning, New Zealand time.
Wellingtonians Abi Thomas and Philip Stretton were some of the brave ones who got up before dawn to support the boys in black.
Thomas said she could hardly sleep, which made it easier to get up before dawn for the game. She had a day off work Monday so was sipping on a beer.
Stretton wasn’t so lucky, he was drinking coffee and planned to have a few more before his 7.30am start at work.
Hotel Bristol owner Akio Shigeeda said the fans who watched at the Cuba St bar were “really good”.
“The bulk of our sales were breakfasts and coffees, teas, a lot of post-mix, a few beers but nothing excessive, which is good for the police and good for licensing.”
But the Greens told us people would be rolling out drunk past schools, as kids were arriving!
Owner of Dixon St bar Four Kings, Matt McLaughlin, also said they had a good turnout for the All Blacks game, and for the game before it.
About 30 people turned out to the bar for the Wales versus Uruguay match at 1.15am, and about 100 people for the All Blacks versus Argentina game.
“It was a great little crowd,” he said.
McLaughlin said the numbers were pretty standard for a match that early in the morning.
A group of Welsh rugby fans had come in from an all-nighter, but they were well behaved, he said.
“They were fine, they weren’t intoxicated…it proved the point that [an early license is] quite easy to manage.”
Yes you can do an all nighter and not be pissed.
Wellington police did the rounds of bars on Monday morning, and found everything in order, police communications acting shift commander Megan Gouverneur said.
“We had no trouble, no one rolling out on the streets.”
In other words, nothing happened which the nanny statists warned would happen.
That was a bit close!
Not good at half time down 12-13 with two All Blacks sin binned. The score is really Argentina 14 Dan Carter 12. Second half starts badly as it goes 16 to 12 after a few minutes.
Only halfway through the 2nd half did we get the lead back with a converted try. But at 19 to 16 one penalty can tie the game and one try can lose it.
But yes a few minutes later a second converted try gets us 26 to 16 and beyond the danger zone.
Damn good playing from Argentina, and not great playing from the All Blacks. They’re lucky this was a pool game and against a middle power, not a top power.
What an incredible game. Japan, one of the
minions minnows of the game, has topped mighty South Africa. They are calling it the biggest upset in world cup rugby. It might be the biggest upset in international rugby ever.
I can recall the early days of Japan playing the All Blacks, and the only tension was whether the All Blacks could score 100 points before the final whistle. They have improved a lot since then but up until this match South Africa has won 25 out of 29 World Cup matches, and Japan had won exactly once – against Zimbabwe in 1991.
But despite being around 40 to 1 underdogs in the betting odds, in the first ever test match between the two countries, Japan prevailed. I doubt (none South African) Kiwis watching the game cheered any less for Japan than they do for the All Blacks.
Again to put this in perspective the odds of South Africa winning the Rugby World Cup are 13/2 and Japan is 5000/1.
By coincidence I was on Radio NZ on Friday and asked about the Rugby World Cup. I said that relatively speaking I wasn’t so worried about South Africa and Australia, but England and France. I commented South Africa had not had a great run lately – however never would have picked them to lose to Japan.
Also of note is Georgia beating Tonga 17 to 10. It’s great to see the game becoming more even.
Kevin Norquay writes at Stuff:
Here’s a New Zealand team that could win the Rugby World Cup, all made up of leftovers from the All Blacks.
Do I hear you say “that’s mental?” You are so right, it is mental and that’s why this team could win the title.
For a start, they would not be scarred by the pressure of defending the cup – something that’s never been done.
This team would have a point to prove – left out of the All Blacks, they would be out to claim rugby scalps.
So who would be in the left overs team?
- 15. Israel Dagg
- 14. Cory Jane
- 13. George Moala
- 12. Ryan Crotty
- 11. Charles Piutau
- 10. Lima Sopoaga
- 9. Andy Ellis
- 8. Brad Shields
- 7. Ardie Savea
- 6. Matt Todd
- 5. Jeremy Thrush
- 4. James Broadhurst
- 3. Nepo Laulala
- 2. Hika Elliott
- 1. Joe Moody
That would be a pretty damn good team.
I remember in Dunedin the club leagues often had a University A and University B team compete in them, and the final would often be between them. Wouldn’t it be fun if a second NZ team could compete in the World Cup, and the final was the All Blacks vs New Zealand B 🙂
Pleased to see Parliament vote 99-21 to allow bars to easily open during the Rugby World Cup. Kudos to David Seymour for getting this law change through Parliament.
I was thinking about the Greens demanding that bars near schools not be allowed to open, even though only three out of 58 games will take place on a schoolday morning. If they had their way I imagine the Backbencher pub in Wellington would have to remain closed, despite it being a very popular rugby destination. You see the Backbencher is very close to not one, not two, not three, but four schools. How terrible. In fact I’m surprised the Greens are not demanding the Backbencher be never allowed to open at all, as hell kids walking down Molesworth Street at 3.30 pm may see people in the Backbencher!
During the debate Chris Bishop addressed some of the claims that alcohol use and abuse in New Zealand has got worse since the laws were liberalised.
I want to put on the record some actual facts around alcohol consumption in New Zealand society. Firstly, the World Health Organization in 2014 did a global report on the use of alcohol in society. Actually what that report shows is that by international standards New Zealanders actually drink a moderate amount. We are 96th in the world for alcohol consumption. We drink about 13.7 pure litres of alcohol per capita. That places us 96th in the world. It is slightly less than the United Kingdom; it is slightly more than France. So actually we are, internationally, average drinkers. What about binge drinking? Well, by international standards New Zealanders are very low binge-drinkers. Our prevalence rate of binge drinking is 5.6 percent. That is half that of Australia’s
So 96th in the world, and a binge drinking rate half of Australia’s.
That is half that of Australia’s, it is a quarter of Canada’s, and it is one-sixth of the United Kingdom’s binging prevalence rate. So is the assertion that we are a nation of binge-drinkers correct? No.
Some NZers binge drink regularly. By far most do not.
The proportion of young people who drink has dropped 25 percent in the last 5 years—that is from 2007 to 2012. It is one-third that of the rate in 2000. What about the number of people who are regular drinkers? That dropped 9 percent between 2007 and 2012. The number of people who are regular drinkers is half that it was in 2000—this is amongst young people. What about the people who are young binge-drinkers? What about the number of people who say that they binge drank in the last month? Between 2007 and 2012 the number of young people in New Zealand who say that they binge drank in the last month has dropped by 18 percent.
And youth drink driving is also well down. The trend for youth drinking is decisively going down – the exact opposite of the impression the wowsers give.
We all want the All Blacks to win (again) the Rugby World Cup. They’re looking good, but victory is by no means assured.
Over the last few years the Labour Party has declared a number of issues to be a crisis – the manufacturing sector, power prices, domestic milk prices, Auckland house prices and the dairy industry, and demanded the Government take action.
Without fail, each time Labour has declared something to be in crisis and demanded Government intervention, that industry or issue has immediately and remarkably improved. Just this week global diary prices rebounded for the first time this year, just one week after Labour declared they were in crisis and demanded the Government act.
So this petition implores the Labour Party to declare New Zealand Rugby and the All Blacks to be in crisis. Based on history, this should propel the All Blacks to victory in the Rugby World Cup.
So support the All Blacks by petitioning Labour to declare NZ Rugby in crisis.
The Dom Post editorial:
Changing the rules, however, proved much more tortured than it needed to be. The ACT MP David Seymour saw an opportunity to throw off the yoke of alcohol licensing laws, and introduced a bill to let pubs open for all cup games. Yet the Greens at first scuppered the effort, concerned, they said, about drunks spilling out of bars as parents dropped children off at school.
So Prime Minister John Key said he would consider urgent legislation, and levelled that the Greens were eternally “opposed to anything that’s sort of vaguely good fun”.
It’s true that the political rituals of this are wearying – the male politicians bragging about how much they enjoy beer, the charge that all those concerned about alcohol harm are wowsers.
Yet the Greens’ complaints were too precious by half. This wasn’t the issue on which to make a heroic stand about the perils of drink. Relatively few people will race to a pub to see the All Blacks stomp on Namibia at 7am on a Friday – and only a handful will drink too much as they do so.
Judging by past Football World Cup games screened at dawn in Courtenay Place, more fans are likely to eat a pub breakfast on their way to work. In any case, several All Blacks games start at 8am, when pubs can be open anyway.
The Greens pointed out that pubs can already apply for special licences to show cup games. But those require outlets to jump through silly hoops, like imposing a fancy-dress requirement or holding a quiz. No-one needs such frippery at 4am.
By yesterday afternoon, the Greens seemed to have realised this – they withdrew their opposition to Seymour’s bill, apparently after assurances that it would be tweaked.
The bill was always open to amendment at select committee. Nothing has changed there.
The real story is that on Tuesday night, after they refused leave for the bill to be introduced, was the annual function of Saunders Unsworth. This is one of those events where half of Parliament attends, along with scores of business and community leaders, plus media.
It is a great networking event. You have around 50+ conversations with different people, normally on very different topics.
I understand from multiple sources that James Shaw and Julie-Anne Genter had dozens of conversations with people there. But there was only one topic. Why the hell did you stop the bill to allow bars to be open for the rugby. As the night wore on, I think they realised how badly they had stuffed up. This was summed up by this tweet from their supporter, Danyl:
The day John Key saved the rugby! GREAT job, Green Party. pic.twitter.com/tlNQItOKw2
— Danyl Mclauchlan (@danylmc) August 11, 2015
The next day the Greens changed their stance 100%.
The opposition to the bill was obviously led by Kevin Hague who denounced the idea of bars being open as appalling – drunken revellers spilling out of pubs as schools open. I wonder if the new co-leader effectively pulled rank and just told his caucus that they need to back down on this, or be tainted with it for years to come?
The “spiteful” Green Party has blocked a bill that would allow pubs to open for Rugby World Cup matches.
A bill, introduced to Parliament by ACT Party leader David Seymour on Tuesday, sought to allow pubs to open outside of legal trading hours to show Rugby World Cup matches being played in the United Kingdom.
But the Greens objected, with co-leader James Shaw accusing Seymour of trying to boost his profile. Without the unanimous support of MPs, the bill cannot be rushed through in time for the tournament.
Seymour said the Greens were being “spiteful”.
“Certainly if it’s rejected today, I’ll be texting the PM to say he’s got my vote to put a bill through with the Government.
“I think it’s the right thing to do, it’s what most New Zealanders want and I’m opposed to the majority being punished due to actions of an irresponsible minority.”
The bill could now only proceed if it was picked up by the Government, something Prime Minister John Key has indicated is a possibility.
He said a decision would be made in the next day or two.
I hope they do.
Green Party health spokesman Kevin Hague said the bill would see “boozed-up people spilling out of bars just as parents are dropping their children at school”.
Oh that’s just so silly. Apart from the fact you know bars don’t tend to be next door to schools, watching the rugby over a couple of pints is not really being boozed up. People who get up at 4 am to watch the rugby are doing it for the rugby, not the booze. Sure they may enjoy a drink or two during the game, but this is not like a nightclub closing at 8 am.
Labour MPs voted not to object to the bill when its caucus met on Tuesday and leader Andrew Little said he personally supported it.
“There’s hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders who enjoy a tipple, usually when watching sporting games and they do so responsibly,” Little said.
“This is a tournament that happens once every four years and it’s totally in keeping with social intercourse that they have a drink.”
Little said if he was in a pub at 5am and the All Blacks were winning he wouldn’t say no to a drink.
“If we’re losing I’d probably have two beers at 5am.”
Well said Andrew Little.
Just heard on the radio that the Government is likely to introduce a Government bill. Labour will treat it as a conscience vote.
The Herald reports:
Act Party leader David Seymour is hopeful his proposal to allow pubs to open in the early hours during the Rugby World Cup will be adopted, though he says it might only be applied to games involving the All Blacks.
The MP for Epsom will table a hastily-drafted bill in Parliament this afternoon which would allow all pubs and bars to remain open during anti-social hours if they were broadcasting live from the tournament in Britain.
The bill will be shot down if any MP refuses to grant leave.
Generally leave will be refused to stop bills jumping the queue. But as this is to fix a problem that is going to occur in the next couple of months, it is appropriate to grant leave in my opinion.
Mr Seymour was confident it would progress, but he said getting cross-party support might require some concessions. He said National had been supportive of the proposal, but had asked whether the scope could be reduced so that it covered only New Zealand games.
Justice Minister Amy Adams would not comment yesterday, except to say the National caucus would consider the law change this morning.
United Future leader Peter Dunne also has some concerns about the scope of the bill.
Mr Seymour said he might agree to limit the policy, but he hoped it could be applied to all fans. “There’s a quarter of a million British-born New Zealanders, 50,000 Australians, and big South African, Tongan and Samoan populations. So wouldn’t it be nice to have all teams rather than just the one?”
Labour, New Zealand First and the Maori Party would also decide their positions this morning.
Labour leader Andrew Little supported the law change. “It’s a Rugby World Cup, it only comes around every four years … so the opportunity to meet in a bar and watch a game and have the odd pint is the perfectly normal thing to want to do. Personally, I think we should try to facilitate it.”
Good to see Little supportive.
David Seymour has announced:
ACT Leader David Seymour intends to introduce a Bill to let people watch the 2015 Rugby World Cup in bars and function rooms.
“For such an important one-off event as a Rugby World Cup on the other side of the world, outside our time zone, I think sports enthusiasts should be able to celebrate the occasion in the same way they would if these matches were within normal New Zealand hours,” said Mr Seymour.
“I know many Kiwis overseas who watched the last World Cup from the UK, in pubs that were able to open and screen live matches. In England they changed their licensing laws to accommodate viewing the English matches during the 2014 FIFA World Cup held in Brazil.
“Current licensing arrangements are too inflexible to allow for this special occasion. Bars seeking special licenses are having to jump through all sorts of ridiculous nanny-state hoops. Police have indicated to licensees that they will oppose applications unless the licensees agree to conditions like ticket-only sales, fancy dress, live music, quizzes, guest speakers or themed food.
Totally support this. requiring every bar in NZ to get a special liquor license just so they can screen Rugby World Cup games after their normal closing time is silly.
“On the first sitting day after recess (11th August) I intend to seek leave to table a short Bill allowing bars and function rooms to open for the broadcast of any Rugby World Cup matches.“I will seek advice from the police on how best this should be monitored.
“I have asked the Clerk’s office to assist in drafting a short Bill which will accomplish this.
“If my motion to table a Bill is accepted by the House, I will ask the Prime Minister to advance this as a government Bill, so that the Bill doesn’t languish ineffectively at the bottom of the order paper until the World Cup is over.
Hopefully no MP will oppose such a sensible bill.