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	<title>Kiwiblog &#187; youth rates</title>
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		<title>National&#8217;s Employment Relations Policy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Industrial relations]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect we will hear from a lot of unions today. Amazingly not a single union commented on Labour&#8217;s superannuation policy yesterday, despite their decades of opposition to compulsory superannuation and raising the age of eligibility. But National has just released their employment relations policy, and I think the unions will rediscover their voices. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect we will hear from a lot of unions today. Amazingly not a single union commented on Labour&#8217;s superannuation policy yesterday, despite their decades of opposition to compulsory superannuation and raising the age of eligibility.</p>
<p>But National has just released their <a href="http://www.national.org.nz/PDF_General/Employment_Relations_Policy.pdf">employment relations policy</a>, and I think the unions will rediscover their voices. The policy takes a number of good steps in the right direction, and is in total contrast to Labour&#8217;s desire to return to the 1970s.</p>
<p>First of all there is a partial victory on the issue of the minimum wage for teenagers, which has resulted in such massively high youth unemployment.</p>
<p>There will be a &#8220;Starting-Out Wage&#8221; set at 80% of the adult minimum wage. At present the current law has this also, but it only applies for the first 200 hours of employment, which can be as little as five weeks. National is extending this to:</p>
<ol>
<li>16 and 17 year olds for their first six months with an employer</li>
<li>18 and 19 year olds if they have been on a benefit for more than six months prior, for their first six months of employment</li>
<li>16 to 19 year olds doing at least 40 credits of industry training a year (was 60)</li>
</ol>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t go as far as I would go, which would be to simply not have the minimum wage law apply to those aged under 18 (rather than under 16), but it should give young job seekers a better opportunity to get their first job, and gain that all important experience.</p>
<p>National is also making it easier for employees to request flexible working arrangements:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Many workplaces already have flexible working arrangements, either formally or informally. But at the moment, the formal request mechanism applies only to those with caring responsibilities.</em></p>
<p><em>National will extend the right to request flexible working hours to all workers, and raise the profile of flexible working arrangements. We want to see more workers and employers benefiting from flexible working arrangements.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And also they wind back some compulsory lite unionism:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Remove the requirement that non-union members are employed under a collective agreement for their first 30-days.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The current law effectively forces you to join the union, and means you can only withdraw and go on an individual contract after 30 days. National allows an employee to decide for themselves from day one whether or not they wish to join a union.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Apply partial pay reductions for partial strikes or situations of low-level industrial action.</em></p>
<p><em>Currently, employees can engage in partial strike action, such as refusing to answer email or do any paper work, while continuing to receive full pay.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Partial pay for partial work.</p>
<p>I am really pleased to see some movement on the issue of pay rates for teenagers with no work experience who need a first job. Our youth unemployment rate is far too high.</p>

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		<title>The cost of no youth minimum wage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/09/the_cost_of_no_youth_minimum_wage.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[youth rates]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[The Department of Labour has published a report they commissioned on the impact of the decision by Parliament in 2008 to replace the youth minimum wage (set at 80% of adult minimum wage) for 16 and 17 year olds with a new entrants minimum wage that lasts for 200 hours only (5 weeks full-time). They [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Labour has <a href="http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/research/impact-2008-youth-minimum-wage-reform/impact-2008-ymwr.pdf">published a report</a> they commissioned on the impact of the decision by Parliament in 2008 to replace the youth minimum wage (set at 80% of adult minimum wage) for 16 and 17 year olds with a new entrants minimum wage that lasts for 200 hours only (5 weeks full-time).</p>
<p>They found:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>This research found that this minimum wage increase accounted for approximately 20–40 percent of the fall in the proportion of 16 and 17 year olds in employment by 2010. Overall, this implies that the introduction of the NE minimum <strong>led to a loss of 4,500- 9,000 jobs for 16 and 17 year olds</strong> (employment of 16 and 17 year olds fell from 61,400 to 39,500 between 2007 and 2010).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I want readers to quote that figure to both Labour and National MPs and candidates if they ever talk about wanting more young people in jobs. Tell them you don&#8217;t want platitudes but will they reverse a decision that put up to 9.000 young people out of jobs.</p>
<p>The change did not just affect 16 and 17 year olds though. It also led to some people working fewer hours and earning less money than before the change.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The research also found that, relative to 20 and 21 year-olds, average hours worked by 16 and 17, and 18 and 19 year olds fell after 2008, as did their earnings and total incomes.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This study is based on the 100,000+ pieces of data collected in the Household Labour Force Survey over the last few years, so it is not just a &#8220;view point&#8221;, but a rigorous study based on extensive research.</p>
<p>I hope National has the guts to do the right thing, even if not the popular thing, and announce they will at a minimum reintroduce a youth minimum wage. They could even grandfather current rates in, so leave the current youth rate at $13/hr until it hits the floor of 80% of the adult rate which would take several years to occur, being $16.25 an hour.</p>
<p>Or they could be really ballsy and just announce that the minimum wage in future only applies to those aged 18 and older rather than 16 and older.</p>

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		<title>Guest Post on Roger&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/09/guest_post_on_rogers_blog.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 03:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Roger Kerr]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve done a brief guest post on Roger Kerr&#8217;s blog on the youth minimum wage. It is inexplicable that National has continued with what can only be called the failed experiment of applying the adult minimum wage to unskilled inexperienced 16 year olds who want to gain some work experience. Tags: minimum wage, Roger Kerr, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done a brief <a href="http://rogerkerr.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/friday-graph-david-farrar-on-minimum-wage/">guest post on Roger Kerr&#8217;s blog on the youth minimum wage</a>.</p>
<p>It is inexplicable that National has continued with what can only be called the failed experiment of applying the adult minimum wage to unskilled inexperienced 16 year olds who want to gain some work experience.</p>

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		<title>Key on youth minimum wage</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[John Key]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[NZPA report: Scrapping the minimum wage for young workers could result in people being paid as little as $2 an hour, Prime Minister John Key says. His comment came after Act leader Don Brash last week proposed abolishing the minimum wage for people under 20, which he said would result in more people working for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZPA <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5527319/Key-against-scrapping-minimum-wage">report</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Scrapping the minimum wage for young workers could result in people being paid as little as $2 an hour, Prime Minister John Key says.</em></p>
<p><em>His comment came after Act leader Don Brash last week proposed abolishing the minimum wage for people under 20, which he said would result in more people working for less rather than fewer people earning higher wages.</em></p>
<p><em>Key has said the Government would consider reinstating youth rates, but today raised issues with Dr Brash&#8217;s more radical proposal.</em></p>
<p><em>The proposal would result in &#8220;very low wage rates&#8221; and some companies would hire people for as little as $2 an hour, he said.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Actually for many young people there already is no minimum wage. It doesn&#8217;t apply to those aged under 16. So I disagree with the PM that moving the minimum wage coverage from 16 to 18 would lead to lots of people working for $2 an hour. Are there many 15 year olds working for $2/hour?</p>
<p>Incidentally when I was at 14, I did get a job for $2/hour. Now today that is worth $7/hr, but regardless is still around half of the minimum wage. It was working at Woolworths cleaning rubbish bins out etc during the week and doing checkouts on Friday night. Having an after school job was great in terms of learning the value of work.</p>
<p>Today no one would be on $2/hour because the welfare system sets a de facto minimum wage of around $4.50 an hour.</p>
<p>Incidentially if it is so wrong to have different minimum wages, based on age &#8211; then why it is okay to have different dole payments based on age?</p>
<p>An 18 and 19 year old gets paid less than a 20 &#8211; 24 year old by around $37 a week, if both live at home.</p>
<p>And a 25 year old gets paid $38 a week more dole than a 24 year old on the dole.</p>

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		<title>PM on Youth Wages</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[John Key]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dana Leavy at Stuff reports: Prime Minister John Key says the Government will decide whether it will reintroduce the youth minimum wage before the election, but says it is unlikely. This is disappointing. I have no doubt that a $13/hr minimum wage has priced unskilled 16 and 17 year olds out of the market. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana Leavy at Stuff <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5450860/Return-of-youth-wage-unlikely-Key">reports</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Prime Minister John Key says the Government will decide whether it will reintroduce the youth minimum wage before the election, but says it is unlikely.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This is disappointing. I have no doubt that a $13/hr minimum wage has priced unskilled 16 and 17 year olds out of the market. The three solutions are:</p>
<ol>
<li>Lower the minimum wage for everyone</li>
<li>Have a separate lower minimum wage for 16 and 17 year olds, say at 80% of the adult minimum wage as it used to be</li>
<li>Have the minimum wage law apply only at age 18, instead of age 16</li>
</ol>
<p>Option 3 would be my preference. This would be the greatest boost to youth employment, and ensure that 16 and 17 year olds are able to get jobs.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>However, Key said today the Government needed to look at all the factors that might work.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;We will consider it,&#8221; he told TV3&#8242;s Firstline programme. &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t say we would necessarily carry it out.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>There was already a training wage which covered the first 200 hours, Key said. While a youth minimum was a factor, the Government didn&#8217;t want the public to believe it was the only factor.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Because I think if it&#8217;s the only factor someone&#8217;s getting employed on, we&#8217;re probably getting off on the wrong track here.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>It is not the only factor, but it is a factor.</p>

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		<title>Riots and the youth minimum wage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/08/riots_and_the_youth_minimum_wage.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[David Farrar on Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my NZ Herald column I look at the causes of the English riots and make the case for lowering the youth minimum wage to reduce teenage unemployment in NZ from 27%. Tags: David Farrar on Politics, minimum wage, NZ Herald, youth rates]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10744703">NZ Herald column</a> I look at the causes of the English riots and make the case for lowering the youth minimum wage to reduce teenage unemployment in NZ from 27%.</p>

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		<title>Jim should back bringing back the youth minimum wage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/07/jim_should_back_bringing_back_the_youth_minimum_wage.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jim Anderton]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Georgina Stylianou at Stuff reports: Youth suicide rates will peak over the next two to four years because of &#8220;shockingly high youth unemployment rates&#8221;, a Christchurch MP says. Progressive MP Jim Anderton said high suicide rates followed high unemployment &#8220;as sure as night follows day&#8221;. In which case it is abhorrent that Jim Anderton won&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgina Stylianou at Stuff <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5329420/Jobless-young-will-take-lives-Anderton">reports</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Youth suicide rates will peak over the next two to four years because of &#8220;shockingly high youth unemployment rates&#8221;, a Christchurch MP says. </em></p>
<p><em>Progressive MP Jim Anderton said high suicide rates followed high unemployment &#8220;as sure as night follows day&#8221;. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>In which case it is abhorrent that Jim Anderton won&#8217;t back restoring the youth minimum wage at a lower rate than the adult minimum wage.</p>
<p>If Jim really thinks the high youth unemployment will lead to more deaths, then he should have no compunction in voting for a measure which will stop young inexperienced job seekers from being priced out of the labour market.</p>

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		<title>BNZ on Youth Employment</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/07/bnz_on_youth_employment.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[youth rates]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Dene Mackenzie in the ODT reports: BNZ economist Stephen Toplis wants the Government&#8217;s policy-makers to get a better understanding of the way the nation&#8217;s labour market is working. &#8220;There&#8217;s a lot of wild and woolly stuff going on that is raising significant question marks over whether the necessary labour supply is available to meet New [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dene Mackenzie in the <a href="http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/168545/are-older-workers-youth-job-threat">ODT reports</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>BNZ economist Stephen Toplis wants the Government&#8217;s policy-makers to get a better understanding of the way the nation&#8217;s labour market is working.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;There&#8217;s a lot of wild and woolly stuff going on that is raising significant question marks over whether the necessary labour supply is available to meet New Zealand&#8217;s ongoing growth needs.&#8221; Policy-makers at both Treasury and the Reserve Bank would need a deep understanding of the labour market to set the ground rules, he said.</em></p>
<p><em>There had been a disproportionate rise in the nation&#8217;s youth unemployment rate for workers aged 15 to 19 years, which was now a &#8220;staggering&#8221; 27.5%, and the next age group &#8211; 20 to 24 years &#8211; had a rate of 13.5%.</em></p>
<p><em>Workers over 25 &#8211; who could be seen as a proxy for &#8220;skilled workers&#8221; &#8211; had a rate of just 4.6%, lower than the 6.3% peak level for that age group in 1998 and 8.5% in 1992.</em></p>
<p><em>On average, the youth unemployment rate had been 11.8 percentage points higher than the non-youth rate since 1986, but by March this year that difference had climbed to 21.9 percentage points.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So what happened? Labour and Greens got rid of youth rates, and National has not put them back.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Between the peak in youth employment at the end of 2007 and now there were 50,500 fewer workers in the 15-19 year age group, a fall of 31.6%, even though there had been an increase of 2400 in the total number of people employed.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;The oldies are on the march &#8230; it&#8217;s an oldies takeover.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Youth rates were abolished in 2008, and there are now 50,000 less teenagers in work. This might be the worst case of putting ideology over pragmatism we have seen in terms of adverse consequences.</p>

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		<title>Stop pricing young workers out of the labour force</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric Crampton&#8217;s op ed in the Dominion Post, and online at CIS is very good. IF THE Government said that the minimum price for a new car were $50, nobody would expect it to affect sales. Neither would an increase to $65. But it would certainly start mattering if the Government applied a minimum price [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Crampton&#8217;s op ed in the Dominion Post, and <a href="http://cis.org.nz/media-information/opinion-pieces/article/3045-stop-pricing-young-workers-out-of-the-labour-force">online at CIS</a> is very good.</p>
<p>IF THE Government said that the minimum price for a new car were $50, nobody would expect it to affect sales. Neither would an increase to $65. But it would certainly start mattering if the Government applied a minimum price of $5000 to all cars, new and used.</p>
<p>Exactly. Only the stupidest person could argue that a mimimum price would not affect sales at certain levels. Hence the focus should be about at what level it starts to matter.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The latest youth unemployment figures are very bad. The unemployment rate for kids aged 15 to 19 is 27.5 per cent &#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>This isn&#8217;t just the recession. Unemployment rates for adults are higher than they were in the boom of the mid 2000s, but the recent downturn has not hit adult workers the same way that it&#8217;s hit the kids. The current adult unemployment rate of 6.6 per cent is only three points higher than its low mark in the mid 2000s. Meanwhile, youth unemployment rates are a staggering 15 points higher.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So what changed?</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Both rates usually track each other, reflecting the overall strength of the labour market. Changes in the adult unemployment rate explain a high proportion of changes in the youth rate. </em></p>
<p><em>But in late 2008, this relationship began to break down. Compared with a previous trend, the current youth unemployment rate is eight points higher than we could have expected given the adult unemployment rate. That&#8217;s about 12,000 kids who, given the current adult unemployment rate, we would have expected to have jobs. &#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Neither can they simply be due to the current downturn: when adult unemployment hit 10.2 per cent in 1992, the youth unemployment rate was 23.4 per cent &#8211; three points lower than today &#8211; and youth labour force participation rates were higher. Bear in mind that adult unemployment today is nowhere near 10.2 per cent.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The answer seems obvious. While done with good intentions, the abolition of a lower minimim wage rate for teenagers has priced them out of the labour market.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>No, the sharp increase in youth unemployment from late 2008 appears to have been caused by the abolition of the youth minimum wage in early 2008. Such a result isn&#8217;t surprising. Economist Stephen Gordon summarised Pierre Fortin&#8217;s work on this effect in relation to minimum wages: when minimum wages are below about 45 per cent of the average wage, they have little effect on employment; above that, they present a danger to employment. </em></p>
<p><em>By contrast, New Zealand&#8217;s minimum wage of $13 an hour is about 50 per cent of the average hourly wage &#8211; well into the range in which we expect negative employment effects, particularly for young workers.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And if the minimum wage increased to $15/hr, it would impact youth even harder.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Reinstating a youth minimum wage well below the adult rate wouldn&#8217;t eliminate youth unemployment. But it would let employers start creating new jobs that young workers could productively fill while gaining experience. It&#8217;s time to stop pricing young workers out of the labour force.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I agree. What the Government should do is freeze the youth minimum wage at $13/hr and keep it there until it has hit the floor of 80% of the adult minimum wage (which happens when it hits $16.25), and then have it remain at 80%.</p>

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		<title>Youth Unemployment</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 03:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[unemployment]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest HLFS has some moderately good news in it. 30,000 more jobs in the last quarter 3,000 fewer unemployed Unemployment rate drops to 6.6% NZ unemployment rate now 11th lowest of 34 in the OECD However unemployment amongst under 20 year olds remains high &#8211; up from 25.5% to 27.5%. 6,000 fewer teenagers were [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest HLFS has some moderately good news in it.</p>
<ul>
<li>30,000 more jobs in the last quarter</li>
<li>3,000 fewer unemployed</li>
<li>Unemployment rate drops to 6.6%</li>
<li>NZ unemployment rate now 11th lowest of 34 in the OECD</li>
</ul>
<p>However unemployment amongst under 20 year olds remains high &#8211; up from 25.5% to 27.5%. 6,000 fewer teenagers were in employment.</p>
<p>jacinda Ardern has <a href="http://www.labour.org.nz/news/decrease-in-unemployment-not-nearly-enough">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“Youth unemployment has now hit 27 percent for those aged 15-19; more than four times the average unemployment rate. We’ve reached crisis point, with more young people looking for work now than we have ever seen on record before,” Jacinda Ardern said.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>It is a crisis, but one created by Labour (and not changed by National). Labour made it illegal for a teenager to accept a job for less than the adult minimum wage. They abolished the lower minimum wage for youth.</p>
<p>A 16 year old generally has no skills, no experience and lives at home. They would love to be able to earn a bit of money for say $10/hour. But Labour has priced them off the market. If an employer has a choice of an experienced 25 year old or a novice 16 year old, of course they will not choose the 16 year old.</p>
<p>The fact that teenage unemployment levels are increasing, while the overall unemployment level is falling, shows that getting rid of the youth minimum wage was a disaster for our teenagers. They deserve the chance to gain employment, and National should pledge to reintroduce a lower minimum wage for youth.</p>

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		<title>No link</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Press reports: Labour youth affairs spokeswoman Jacinda Ardern said yesterday there was no link between youth rates and joblessness. No link? I&#8217;m sorry Jacinda, but that is a grossly illiterate comment to make, economically. Are you really saying the cost of labour has absolutely no impact on whether said labour is hired? This is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Press <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4521153/Bid-to-cut-youth-pay">reports</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Labour youth affairs spokeswoman Jacinda Ardern said yesterday there was no link between youth rates and joblessness.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>No link? I&#8217;m sorry Jacinda, but that is a grossly illiterate comment to make, economically. Are you really saying the cost of labour has absolutely no impact on whether said labour is hired?</p>
<p>This is like saying there is no link between the cost of cars and the numbers of cars people buy.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The current youth unemployment rate is at similar levels to those reached in the recession of the early 1990s when youth rates [existed].&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But they key difference is that overall unemployment is far less than in the early 90s. For most age groups, it is only half what the peak was in 1991. It is only the under 20s which have reached the same peak.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Youth-Employment-Sep-2010.png"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-49051" title="Youth Employment Sep 2010" src="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Youth-Employment-Sep-2010.png" alt="" width="560" height="345" /></a></p>
<p>This graph show the total level of employment (in 000s) for the two youngest age groups. Now do you really want to say there is no link, considering when it was youth rates were abolished?</p>
<p>Labour and Jacinda could argue that they would rather have say 110,000 young people earning $12.75 an hour than say 130,000 young people in work where some only earn say $9 an hour. That sort of trade off is what setting minimum wages tends to be all about.</p>
<p>But to claim there is no link at all between the cost of hiring a young worker, and the number who are in work, is just not possible.</p>

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		<title>A good poster</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Youth Rates Sir Roger makes an excellent point. Young inexperienced first time job seekers are being priced out of the market. Sure no one wants to stay on $10/hour for long, but hell if it will get you your first job, it is worth so much more than that as you then get actual work [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a style="margin: 12px auto 6px auto; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; display: block; text-decoration: underline;" title="View Youth Rates on Scribd" href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/39779668/Youth-Rates">Youth Rates</a> <object id="doc_673465571386073" style="outline: none;" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="100%" height="600" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="name" value="doc_673465571386073" /><param name="data" value="http://d1.scribdassets.com/ScribdViewer.swf" /><param name="wmode" value="opaque" /><param name="bgcolor" value="#ffffff" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="FlashVars" value="document_id=39779668&amp;access_key=key-1yuzdm58eko3ub6hb6t3&amp;page=1&amp;viewMode=list" /><param name="src" value="http://d1.scribdassets.com/ScribdViewer.swf" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed id="doc_673465571386073" style="outline: none;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="100%" height="600" src="http://d1.scribdassets.com/ScribdViewer.swf" flashvars="document_id=39779668&amp;access_key=key-1yuzdm58eko3ub6hb6t3&amp;page=1&amp;viewMode=list" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" bgcolor="#ffffff" wmode="opaque" data="http://d1.scribdassets.com/ScribdViewer.swf" name="doc_673465571386073"></embed></object></p>
<p>Sir Roger makes an excellent point. Young inexperienced first time job seekers are being priced out of the market. Sure no one wants to stay on $10/hour for long, but hell if it will get you your first job, it is worth so much more than that as you then get actual work experience.</p>
<p>I started work at 12 as a paper boy and occassional dairy assistant. At 14 I was working every day after school. There is no way I would have got those jobs if they had to pay me full adult wages.</p>
<p>The massive increase in youth unemployment is partly because of young people being priced out of the market. And sadly, Labour wants to make it even worse &#8211; they want to make it impossible for any young job seeker to take a job for under $15 an hour.</p>

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		<title>A great letter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eye2thelong run blogged this letter as a great example of the woeful state of reporting and repeaters: Here’s a letter to the New York Times: Dear Editor: Suppose Uncle Sam orders you to raise by 41 percent the price you charge for subscriptions to your newspaper.  Would you be surprised to find a subsequent fall [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://eye2thelongrun.blogspot.com/2010/06/woeful-state-of-reporting-and-repeaters.html">Eye2thelong run blogged</a> this letter as a great example of the woeful state of reporting and repeaters:</p>
<p><em>Here’s a letter to the </em><em>New York Times:</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Dear Editor:</em></p>
<p><em>Suppose  Uncle Sam orders you to raise by 41 percent the price you charge for  subscriptions to your newspaper.  Would you be surprised to find a  subsequent fall in the number of subscribers?  If you assigned a  reporter to investigate the reasons for this decline in subscriptions,  would you be impressed if that reporter files a story offering several  possible explanations for the fall in subscriptions without, however,  once mentioning the mandated 41 percent price hike?</em></p>
<p><em>Unless you answered “yes” to this last question, I  wonder why you published Mickey Meece’s report on today’s record high  teenage unemployment rate (“<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/business/01jobs.html?pagewanted=1&amp;%2334&amp;sq&amp;st=cse&amp;%2359;&amp;%2359;fading%20summer%20job&amp;scp=1">Job  Outlook for Teenagers Worsens</a>,” June 1).  Between 2007 and 2009,  Uncle Sam ordered teenage workers (who are mostly unskilled) to raise  the price they charge for their labor services by 41 percent.  (That is,  the federal minimum-wage rose from $5.15 per hour in 2007 to its  current level of $7.25 in 2009 – a 41 percent increase.)</em></p>
<p><em>Does it not strike you as more than passing strange for  your reporter – assigned to help explain why teenagers today have an  increasingly difficult time finding jobs – to ignore the fact that these  teenagers are ordered by government to raise significantly the wages  that they charge their employers?</em></p>
<p><em>Sincerely,<br />
Donald J. Boudreaux</em></p></blockquote>
<p>How many stories that mention youth unemployment mention that it is now illegal for a teenager to offer to work for less than $12.75 an hour? Teenager workers have been priced off the market, hence the 25% youth unemployment rates.</p>

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		<title>Two bad votes from National</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[NZ Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[minimum wage]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very disappointed in two first reading votes case last night by the National Party. The first was against the bill to allow a separate youth minimum wage (went down 5-117). Not only is this a u-turn from the previous position (National voted against Labour abolishing them in 2008), but it is bad public policy. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very disappointed in two first reading votes case last night by the National Party.</p>
<p>The first was against the bill to allow a separate youth minimum wage (went down 5-117). Not only is this a u-turn from the previous position (National voted against Labour abolishing them in 2008), but it is bad public policy. The record high youth unemployment is partly due to young unskilled workers having been priced out of the market.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so annoyed if National was voting against it after it had been to select committee. But by voting it down, they are saying we don&#8217;t even want to hear the pros and cons of whether having a separate youth minimum wage could help get more young people into work.</p>
<p>The second bad vote is the party vote against the bill to allow New Zealanders to vote on whether or not they wish to be be a republic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really pissed off that they made it a party vote. National has had an authoritarian streak to it recently, where they are whittling down the number of issues MPs traditionally are not whipped on. They even want to remove conscience voting on alcohol. There are MPs in National (and many party members) who support NZ becoming a Republic, and they should have been allowed to say so.</p>
<p>And what is even more galling, is that National voted this down at first reading. I&#8217;m not advocating that the bill (in its current form) should have been voted into law automatically. But if National had allowed it to go to select committee, it would have allowed the public of New Zealand to submit on how they think the decision on republic vs monarchy should be made. That would have been an invaluable exercise.</p>
<p>National has denied us all the right to have our say &#8211; both on youth minimum wage rates and on our head of state.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with a party voting down a bill at first reading when they are ideologically against it (ie do not expect National to support a bill that made unions compulsory) or it seeks to reverse Government policy. But with most other issues, they are worthy of sending through to a select committee, so the public can have their say on them.</p>
<p>My thanks to the Labour (excluding Jim Anderton), United Future  and Green parties that supported the Republic Referendum bill, and supported allowing the public a say.</p>

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		<title>Mimimum Wage</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Herald puts the minimum wage into context: New Zealand&#8217;s minimum wage is still close to the highest it has been, as a proportion of the average wage, since the late 1970s. It is also the second-highest of any developed country in relation to the median wage, although well below richer countries such as Australia [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&amp;objectid=10633120">Herald puts the minimum wage</a> into context:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>New Zealand&#8217;s minimum wage is still close to the highest it has been,  as a proportion of the average wage, since the late 1970s.</em></p>
<p><em>It is also the second-highest of any developed country in relation to  the median wage, although well below richer countries such as Australia  in dollar terms.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So we have one of the highest minimum wages in the world, and people want to make it even higher.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t make a country richer by just passing a law demanding people get paid more. The key to lifting wages is increased productivity &#8211; that is how we will close the gap with Australia.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Internationally, OECD minimum wages are quoted as a ratio of the median  weekly income of fulltime employees &#8211; a lower figure than the average  wage because the average is pulled up by high earners above the median,  or mid-point.</em></p>
<p><em>On this basis, at last count in 2007, New Zealand&#8217;s minimum wage was 57  per cent of our median income &#8211; a higher ratio than in Australia (54 per  cent) and ahead of all other OECD countries except France (63 per  cent).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And an increase to $15 would put us even ahead of France, with a minimum wage at 67% of median fulltime income. Can one of the poorest countries in the OECD afford the highest relative minimum wage? Of course not.</p>
<p>And in <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10633118&amp;pnum=0">another story</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The Warehouse human resources manager Paul Walsh says under-18-year-olds  fluctuated between 30 and 33 per cent of his company&#8217;s 7500 staff in  the four years up to June 2008, then plunged to 25.2 per cent in the  year to last June and 24.1 per cent from July to this week.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;It&#8217;s dangerous to draw a conclusion that it&#8217;s purely the minimum wage  rate that has affected that, but you would have to say it must have had  some impact,&#8221; he says.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I predict youth unemployment will remain relatively high, even after adult unemployment starts dropping.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>In any case, Pacheco argues that the minimum wage is an inefficient way  of tackling poverty because many minimum-wage earners are actually  teenagers or second earners in wealthy households.</em></p>
<p><em>She says 16.6 per cent of all those earning within 50c an hour of the  minimum wage between 2006 and 2008 lived in the richest three-tenths of  all households.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>A point I have made. The focus should be on family or household income, not individual income.</p>

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		<title>Minimum Wage for Youth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Herald reports: The Council of Trade Unions (CTU) has welcomed the Government&#8217;s decision not to support the reintroduction of youth rates. So the CTU is happy. Opposition leader Phil Goff welcomed the decision. &#8220;It&#8217;s crazy to suggest that any young person doing the same job exactly as older people should be paid automatically at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&amp;objectid=10632772">Herald reports</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The Council of Trade Unions (CTU) has welcomed the Government&#8217;s decision  not to support the reintroduction of youth rates.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So the CTU is happy.</p>
<p>Opposition leader Phil Goff welcomed the decision.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;It&#8217;s crazy to suggest that any young person doing the same job exactly  as older people should be paid automatically at a lower rate. It didn&#8217;t  add up,&#8221; he told reporters.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>As is Phil Goff. This means it must be wrong!</p>
<p>Goff&#8217;s own statement shows a total misrepresentation of the situation. Having a lower minimum wage for teenagers is exactly that &#8211; a lower floor. How the hell you translate that into <em>&#8220;should be paid automatically at a lower rate&#8221;</em> I do not know. Once again, for the really stupid people, &#8211; this is about a floor &#8211; not a ceiling, not an automatic rate that you must apply to teenagers.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/david-farrar/nationals-youth-rates-u-turn">today&#8217;s NBR 24/7 column</a> I rip into the Govt&#8217;s decision:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>It really brings into doubt the seriousness of the Government in terms of job creation, when it persists with a law that has clearly priced many teenagers off the job market.  &#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Most teenagers are not seeking full-time employment. What they desperately want is to gain some work experience, and to gain some extra money on top of whatever parental or student support they have.</em></p>
<p><em>By agreeing to vote down Sir Roger’s bill, the Government is saying we want young people to be unable to gain work, unless an employer thinks they are worth almost $13 an hour.  &#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Later this year, overall unemployment should start tracking down. If youth unemployment remains persistently high, the Government will have no one to blame but themselves.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>There are 45,000 teenagers unemployed. This decision is a very bad one.</p>

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		<title>And the winners are</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Employment Relations (Workers’ Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill &#8211; Tau Henare Smart Meters (Consumer Choice) Bill &#8211; David Clendon Minimum Wage (Mitigation of Youth Unemployment) Amendment Bill &#8211; Sir Roger Douglas Tau&#8217;s bill requires all votes on strike action to be secret ballots. In theory almost all unions do this anyway, but there has [...]]]></description>
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<li>Employment Relations (Workers’  Secret Ballot for Strikes) Amendment Bill &#8211; Tau Henare</li>
<li>Smart Meters (Consumer Choice) Bill &#8211; David Clendon</li>
<li>Minimum Wage (Mitigation of Youth  Unemployment) Amendment Bill &#8211; Sir Roger Douglas</li>
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<p>Tau&#8217;s bill requires all votes on strike action to be secret ballots. In theory almost all unions do this anyway, but there has been some dispute on the West Coast recently about whether this does always happen, so it will be good to have it a legal, not a voluntary, requirement to prevent intimidation.</p>
<p>David Clendon&#8217;s bill is inherited from Jeanette and regulates the use of smart meters. Not sure of all the details, but it looks to be worth supporting at first reading anyway so a select committee can look into pros and cons.</p>
<p>Sir Roger&#8217;s bill will allow the Government to set a different level of minimum wage for younger workers. I welcome it as there is pretty clear evidence that the huge increase in youth unemployment is bext explained by the scrapping of the youth rate for the minimum wage. National will be nervous about being seen to be &#8220;cutting wages&#8221; but I hope they will support it to select committee, so arguments can be heard about the linkage.</p>
<p>Rather than cut the minimum wage for any current workers, what I would do if I was the Government is just use it to increase the youth minimum wage more slowly than the adult minimum wage.</p>

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		<title>Youth Rates and Youth Unemployment</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve previously blogged on my belief that the massive rise in youth unemployment is due to Labour&#8217;s decision in 2008 to abolish youth rates for the minimum wage. Eric Crampton has gone better than mere belief, and analysed the relationship between overall unemployment and youth unemployment. The graph has (thanks Stephen Hickson!) the unemployment rate [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve previously blogged on my belief that the massive rise in youth unemployment is due to Labour&#8217;s decision in 2008 to abolish youth rates for the minimum wage.</p>
<p>Eric Crampton has gone better than mere belief, and <a href="http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2010/02/youth-rates-revisited.html">analysed the relationship between overall unemployment and youth unemployment</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ue.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-40487" title="ue" src="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ue-500x362.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="362" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>The graph has (thanks Stephen Hickson!) the unemployment rate for those aged 15-19 and the unemployment rate for everyone else (aged 19 and up). It looks to me like the proper relationship is a combination of a level shift and a multiplicative effect. When the adult rate is very low &#8211; below four percent or so &#8211; the youth rate bounces around at a point about 10 to 12 points higher than the adult rate. When the adult rate is high, the youth rate exceeds that constant by a multiple of the adult rate. &#8230;<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>Both the constant and the adult rate come up highly significant. So, over the period 1986 to present, we can expect the youth rate to be 1.44 times the adult rate (the multiplicative effect &#8211; about 44% above the adult rate) plus a constant of 9 percentage points. So if the adult rate is 5, the youth rate should be 16.2. We&#8217;ve ruled out the &#8220;it&#8217;s just ratios&#8221; argument &#8211; there is a constant term in there; we&#8217;ve also ruled out that it&#8217;s just a level shift because the coefficient is significantly greater than 1.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So Eric has calculated the best fit of the data is that the youth unemployment rate will 9% higher than 1.44 times the adult unemployment rate.</p>
<p>He then plots the &#8220;residuals&#8221;, which is how much greater or smaller the youth unemployment rate has been, compared to what the formula predicts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/resid.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-40488" title="resid" src="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/resid-500x363.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="363" /></a></p>
<p>So that formula looks pretty good up until, umm well 2008. Eric continues:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>If we look at the top graph, we see youth unemployment rates went up a lot during the recession of the early 1990s. But over that period, youth unemployment rates were never more than a couple of points above what the very simple model predicted (residuals graph, above). In recessions, it does look like the youth rate gets hit harder than the adult rate. But look at what happens starting around fourth quarter 2008. We now have residuals that blow up the model. Something really weird starts happening to the youth unemployment rate at the end of 2008. Youth unemployment is now about 10 points higher than we&#8217;d expect using the simple model.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And if one goes for different formulas:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I tried a few different variations allowing the constant and the slope to shift for high and for low levels of adult unemployment.  But none of that made any substantial difference.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So the conclusion:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The econometrics here are very simplistic and do nothing to account for differences in labour force participation rates or the obvious problem of serial correlation in the time series data.  But the simple model is still pretty telling.  If we allow youth unemployment rates to vary both as a level shift above the adult rate and as a multiple of the adult rate, which is what we&#8217;re doing when we run the simple regression with a constant term, we still have a jump in the current youth unemployment rate that is well above that seen in prior recessions.</p>
<p>My first cut explanation remains the abolition of the youth minimum wage.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Now this does not prove beyond doubt it was the abolition of youth rates that pushed youth unemployment up an extra 10%. But it is the most likely explanation.</p>
<p>The challenge for those who think abolishing youth rates did not contribute to the increase in youth unemployment, is to put up their own data and credible explanations to explain the massive gap between youth and adult unemployment.</p>

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