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Happychappy

So skilled immigrant will not be needed in New Zealand anymore as the Government sets its reset for a high skilled workforce.
I’m wondering whether this is just another way for Labour to acquire good Land from our Market Growers and Orchids around New Zealand to build houses and put a end to the housing crisis
Why would this surprise people as Labour is known for one fuck up after another and will try anything to fix previous fuckups.
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May 18, 2021 8:05am
- G152
  
  Three months fruit picking aint gonna pay for Mommas 9 months nor misters year
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:26am
  - stewmar
    
    Three months fruit picking aint gonna pay for Mommas 9 months nor misters year
    
    Huh…….What??????
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:57am
- Mark
  
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  Heh dipshit it is proposed only skilled and wealthy immigrants be allowed in .I am in a hurry to catch the Hokianga ferry but will be back to take you and your fellow ignoramuses to the woodshed later.Dont go away now.Us lefties are having the time of our lives ,actually I am a bit centrist but you know what I mean.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:39am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Actually yes, based on your last, you’re a confused and childish idiot, so why wouldn’t you be?
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:45am
    - Red Fred
      
      Tee hee,humongous, read those poll figures and weep.Your turn in 2038,boyo By then you should have a palatable leader.I am a centrist
      
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      May 18, 2021 11:12am
      - Frank the tank
        
        “I am a centrist”
        
        Sure you are. In other news the Blairite has never lied.
        
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        May 18, 2021 1:50pm
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        Hey Fred have a read of Chris Trotter’s article on Tova’s poll. Your and her behaviour would be more in place in the government PR of Moscow or Beijing. Thats from a reasonable leftie and not a trolling ‘centrist’ like you
        
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        May 18, 2021 2:43pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    And here is the reason why you don’t start drinking in the morning.
    
    Like a lot of the government’s thinking the great immigration re-set will be a bust:
    
    1). Are the 200-odd so called “investors” really coming down here for business opportunities or just a quarantine free holiday?
    2). When these “investors” see:
    i). there is no skilled labour force nor any way of getting them into the country
    ii) understand the resource management act and the lack of construction capability
    iii) The difficulty and cost of getting things in and out of (little) Aotearoa
    will they be keen to invest?
    
    It’s made out Jeff Bezos is coming over for a look and the cheque book. What’s the bet it’s Jim from Blackpool that sold his tyre business last year and wants a holiday with his wife, Mavis.
    
    Only in (little) Aotearoa would we be this naïve and the 4 estate so feckless……..
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      I doubt that anyone with enough sense to make enough money to be an “investor” lacks the sense to check out things like labour/transport costs associated with running a business from Little A-land.
      
      I suspect that most of those investors will do things that require very little interaction with workers and shipping.
      
      I’ll wager the majority will do something that is plausibly an “investment”, but is really just a kind of retirement. eg. maybe invest in some low-effort property or a vineyard that someone else manages.
      
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      May 18, 2021 10:43am
      - Paulus
        
        I expect that the first question is how much will it cost us to get Immigration visas.
        We can bring in big money and expertise in buying a chain of bottle shops from my cousin.
        
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        May 18, 2021 11:07am
      - Frank the tank
        
        In other words prop up landed assets when the local market demand drops. Can’t see that happening as it would run foul of previous foreign property ownership rules implemented and otherwise create next to no jobs. Unless they turned a blind eye to this for their wealthy woke mates……..
        
        It will be a bust – anyone who thinks otherwise is either naïve, part of the feckless estate or an academic. This smacks of the silver fox reading a “foreign investment” book over the holidays and finally convincing Grunter and the Blairite this is a good idea and “will be good this time”.
        
        Is ‘Banana’ Nana is on the hustle as well?
        
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        May 18, 2021 11:19am
      - Red Fred
        
        I am not really surprised to see you running NZ down. 4.6 % unemployment rate and a strong recovery sheesh you RWNJ s make me sick,
        
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        May 18, 2021 8:01pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Get ’em to open both gates and drive straight thru.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:34am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    I thought Labour and the Greens hated wealthy immigrants.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:37am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Ask Peter Thiel.
      
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      May 18, 2021 2:13pm
      - MCos
        
        Strictly speaking he’s not an immigrant yet.
        Has he even been in the country since he picked up his citizenship?
        
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        May 18, 2021 4:49pm
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Hey, I know what will solve the housing crisis: bringing in more people who need a house.
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Announce anything to fix their fuck ups. Fixed that for you.
  
  They are still in the ‘sayin’ something does not necessarily make it so’ phase of their morphisation (my word) from union inspired student ideology to dangerous brain dead marxists.
  
  Our saving grace is their failure to deliver anything including the post evidenced by my 2021 real estate agents calendar delivered yesterday.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:45am
- Ceejay
  
  Shit those 200 wealthy investors are going to have a lot of fruit to pick.
  
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  May 18, 2021 12:59pm
Souvlaki

Great to see Chris Trotter calling out the State Media !
The Nats should REALLY push this theme ,because its the truth IMO.They have to speak of the “cancel culture” around even discussing He Puapua.
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/110416/state-broadcaster-rigorously-excluding-any-and-all-voices-dissenting-official-line
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May 18, 2021 8:06am
- Justitia
  
  Yes indeed Souvlaki. But Trotter goes one better today in a column calling out the media’s propaganda and attempts to stifle debate regarding He Puapua. He slams TV3 and Jacinda’s BFF the wailing banshee O’Brien in particular. This is a seriously good analysis:http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-tv3-poll-journalism-or-propaganda.html
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:57am
  - fernglas
    
    It is a very good analysis, as is most of Trotter’s stuff, whether you agree with it or not. But bringing logic, intelligence and erudition to a debate about the media is like asking Rembrandt to repaint the garden shed. News is merely a device to sell advertising to people stupid enough to believe both, and always has been. It’s just that now, the media have abandoned all pretence.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:34am
    - Paulus
      
      Trotter is undergoing excommunication from the the Labour Party.
      They cannot accept the truth.
      
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      May 18, 2021 11:09am
      - Red Fred
        
        I love thar from the Gnats ,read the poll sweetie and tell me abou accepting the truth.Strewth talk about blinkered .Vinegar tits for PM .Yeah right.
        
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        May 18, 2021 8:21pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Fred, please remember to open the windows when inhaling the paint stripper that powers what passes for a pea-sized brain in your grizzled noggin.
        
        It’s clear you’ve succumbed to the fumes. What are you, 17?
        
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        May 18, 2021 10:32pm
- amospicton
  
  And he’s having a crack at Tova re the Reid Research ‘Poll’. http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/ He’s turned! Seriously though it’s significant when decent, smart and respected lefties like Chris can see the danger and is prepared to risk ‘cancellation’ to point it out.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:50am
  - EssenX
    
    This line to finish is brilliant:
    
    “It’s a game played out every day in Moscow and Beijing. The only serious distinction between the players there, and the players here, being that ‘there’ they know that the name of the game is “Propaganda”; while ‘here’ they still think it’s called “Journalism”.”
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:57am
    - Batman
      
      And people do remember that John Key had to fire Judith Collins for something. So that hardly helps her even if they’re soft Nat voters
      
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      May 18, 2021 11:17am
      - Red Fred
        
        Holy shit Batman read Dirty Politics that woman is a conniving she wolf in every sense of the word.Ask how many of the plonkers here have read it .They just put their fingers in their ears and go nah nah nah.Beyond pathetic ,up there with the deplorables ,I am retired now with a bloody good passive income and from here on out her and the execrable ACT shit head are going to cop it in their public meetings.Oh happy days ,I have a great politcal library and a good memory along with courage and a booming voice .Happy days.
        
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        May 18, 2021 8:38pm
  - Southtop2
    
    I think that Trotter has seen the damage the liberal elites have done to the Labour party in the UK and does not want a repeat here.
    
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    May 18, 2021 12:51pm
  - Bob
    
    Trotter is probably being served his ‘incarceration’ papers for his admission to a ‘Correct Thinking’ programme out in the Gulag.
    
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    May 18, 2021 1:44pm
  - Red Fred
    
    You have to be joking ,you chumps have nothing but utter contempt for lefties ,until they are putting the boot into their own side.What a contemptible shower of shit you have reduced yourselves to.Downtick all you like you cretins the truth is axiomatic.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:06pm
    - Jack5
      
      The truth is axiomatic …
      
      Nope. That’s an empty and meaningless slogan. On a par with: Red is Dead, Fred.
      
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      May 18, 2021 10:35pm
- -D
  
  This is getting serious. National are missing many opportunities to make useful points on current issues but don’t seem to have framed their arguments. Compared to David Seymour they seem sleepy and lackluster.
  
  Shane Reti missed a brilliant opportunity on Q&A on Sunday to postulate how a separatist health system might work in practice: “A Maori and a Pakeha with his Asian wife walk into their local GP and ask…etc.”
  
  Someone needs to help them with their lines. It should be easy to poke fun at much of what is being proposed.
  
  It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    How much of the interview was left on the cutting-room floor?
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:38am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  “A state broadcaster rigorously excluding any and all voices dissenting from the official line, is something most New Zealanders would expect to encounter in Moscow or Beijing – not in Wellington.”
  
  Most New Zealanders perhaps, but certainly not all New Zealanders would expect that.
  
  I made the point in a post yesterday (with reference to the US Regime currently occupying Washington) that it is naive and runs against all observable evidence to suggest that the usual suspects (Russia, China North Korea et al) are much worse, if at all worse, than what Western nations have become in 2021.
  
  In case anyone hasn’t yet noticed, 75,000,000 Americans, to a greater or lesser extent, have now been deemed enemies of the state by the President simply for having the “wrong ” political opinions and voting for the “wrong” candidate. Clearly then, political pluralism is a quaint relic of a bygone era.
  
  Many Russians, Chinese and North Koreans likely agree with the political oppression of their countrymen as dissidents, simply because they are propagandised into this belief by the media in those countries. Exactly the same is now true in the US: the propagandists in the MSM tell the populace that these putative enemies of the state are dangerous, thereby justifying state suppression and political persecution. The brainwashing is so complete and the cognitive dissonance so comprehensive that many people still think they live in a free society. Freedom is ebbing away before our eyes.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:39am
  - pussycat
    
    Red Radio’s propaganda continues in todays noon bulletin, leading with the National party are divided on Maori governance. There’s a clip of Judith saying “funding should be needs based not race based” and the reporter saying but Simon Bridges is on “another page” with a clip of him saying “of course funding should be needs based” Duh!!
    
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    May 18, 2021 1:16pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Great to see Chris Trotter calling out the State Media
  
  [shrugs shoulders]
  
  Chris discovers these amazing aspects of the MSM only now that he finds himself on the other side from his Left on a hot Lefty topic. Sure, he’s been banging away about the loss of focus on traditional Left “Class Warfare” while Identity and Woke Politics come to the fore, but he’s had no problems with the worshipful coverage of “Our Jacinda” for the last four years. In fact his gushing over her matched that of the MSM almost exactly.
  
  But what’s happening now that he so objects to comes from the same source, so diddums.
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:38pm
Yabster

He Pua Pua isn’t policy? lies- water is next on the agenda

Brash: Giving one tribe equal say with 23 councils outrageous
A proposal to give one tribe equal say to that of 23 councils over South Island water without consulting the non-Maori community is outrageous, Hobson’s Pledge spokesman Don Brash said today.

The Government’s preferred option for the so-called Three Waters Reform was presented last Monday to 23 mayors and South Island tribe Ngai Tahu, Opposition leader Judith Collins told the National Party’s South Island conference in Queenstown at the weekend.

The 23 councils and Ngai Tahu would jointly appoint an “independent board” and jointly own the water assets in the South Island, according to a diagram of the model created by the Department of Internal Affairs.

Elected councillors are at the bottom of this organisation, just one step up from “the community” and “other users”.

“I’m sure power generators and primary producers who rely on water, not to mention everyone who lives in the South Island, will want to know how much this will cost them,” Dr Brash said.

The Government’s preferred model clearly shows Ngai Tahu, a tribal business entity that claims the affiliation of 68,000 people, as having the same say as 23 councils which may represent 750,000 people, Dr Brash said.

Consultation was limited to Maori groups and individuals in 19 “huis” throughout New Zealand last September and October involving a total of 315 people with some unidentified central and local government attendees, according to the Three Waters Reform summary report.

“The segregated consultation with Maori groups gives the appearance that the Government is following the recommendations of the He Puapua report recommending segregated governments under tribal monitoring,” Dr Brash said.

The people of New Zealand expect our Government to be open and transparent and the Government has fallen well short on this, he said.

The people of New Zealand also expect our Government to govern without fear or favour and in this instance it looks like the Government is favouring Ngai Tahu, Dr Brash said.
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May 18, 2021 8:06am
- redeye
  
  Here in the Tasman District our council has committed us to pay for a dam that only half the place want.
  At the start the cost was around 50 million. It’s crept up and up and now the expected cost is 158 million. They’re about half way in the build.
  My question now is, are Ngai Tahu going to take on half the debt created by this cost blowout, or are they only interested in one side of the balance sheet?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/124354322/another-29m-cost-overrun-flows-for-waimea-community-dam-project?rm=a
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:24am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    This is a gift of control over water rights. You pay, they take.
    Just waiting to hear that Nestles are lined up to buy the water from the new controllers.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:51am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Why even Ngai Tahu?. Top of the South is the Te Tauihu tribes. 8 others separate from Ngai Tahu. There is not much in common with Ngai Tahu. This will cause a big fight amongst iwi.
    
    Also Ngai Tahu is a commercial entity, not a cultural one. Each area is actually controlled by a local elected rununga. Who may or may not agree with Ngai Tahu.
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:17am
  - Southtop2
    
    Without the Tasman dam there would be some interesting decisions to be made:
    Should the food production on the Waimea Plains be without irrigation?
    Should the houses of Richmond be without water?
    Should the houses of Nelson be without water?
    or a combination of the above?
    There was discussion of pumping from Motueka however I think the talk of destroying the pipeline as it was being laid may have put that decision away.
    We are going to see more of these issues throughout NZ in future and I believe that there is little room for one race to decide what should happen for all.
    Final Point: if Nelson city pays its share then ………
    
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    May 18, 2021 4:25pm
- Nickc2
  
  Thank goodness for Don Brash and KB. This is totally different to what was reported in our MSM because they were helping Cindy, Ngai Tahu and the Labour Party’s Maori Caucus establish separatist politics and policies in NZ.
  Stick to your guns Judith. I believe we all know the latest poll was rigged, who by and for what reason.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:25am
- lastmanstanding
  
  What we have is a takeover by stealth by the Maori Elite aided and abetted by the Labour and Green Parties. When the impact of this on non Maori Elites lives are finally known it will be too late. The legislation and regulation will be place. The Maori Elites will control the country.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:08am
  - Badger
    
    Nonsense. The elite of both races will control the country. They have more in common with each other than with you and me (OK, can’t speak for you, but definitely the likes of me.)
    
    I believe mine might be a Marxist view; it’s about class.
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Cinders has wrecked their chance wiser integration. Once the Elders participated in Govt and NZ was peaceful. Now the politics of greed rules and separatism prevails.
    There is no mandate for that. Even less so, as the Tribes are not one, and there is really no Maori Nation. All the diverse groups are going to expect their shares too. Some are still holding out on Waitangi settlements as they will not be outdone by lesser lights.
    
    Cinders is setting NZ up for a return to Maori wars among Maori.
    
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    May 18, 2021 1:38pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      This 3 waters is undermining councils just when elected Maori get a seat at the table. By the time they get there in 2022, all they’ll have left to do is decide on who shutters the remining Council assets.
      
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      May 18, 2021 3:54pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Museum Day!
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May 18, 2021 8:06am
- I remember when
  
  London museums and galleries reopened yesterday.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:17am
Maggie Pie

Well, what a miserable pair of old buggers they’ve turned into 🙁

https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1394371865422950402
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May 18, 2021 8:08am
- graham
  
  So they bought their house in 1980, and are dismayed that over the space of 40 years the area they live in has changed?
  
  Spare me.
  
  They could just do what other people do when they no longer enjoy where they are and, y’know, MOVE.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:23am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Maybe Helen could move into one of her 7 rentals?
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Only six and a half as she and her sister each own half of a house at Waihi Beach – family home for parent I believe.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe she could just move ……. Anywhere but here.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:22am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      She should go live in hong kong – she’s been doing nice cover work for China with Who so I am sure they would treat her nice.
      
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      May 18, 2021 3:01pm
    - Red Fred
      
      You too asshole I will help you pack and drive you to the airport.Hell I will be doing you and a great country a favour .Bugger off you disaffected twat.
      
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      May 18, 2021 8:55pm
  - Red Fred
    
    Interesting is it not,why would she not invest in the NZ sharemarket.Probably for the same reason as my multimillionaire brother ,mostly National party people are running them and they are fucking dodgy.Proof old bean .I give you Dame Jenny Shipley.There is none so blind as those who will not see..I am retired now as said .have had no time to call you Tory wankers out .Oh happy frabjous day are you fuckers in for it.Specially you Tony (fuckwit) Stuart and the other brainless cretin Tall Man.If your chappies are so clver why is the money poring into real estate.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:03pm
- alex Masterley
  
  That’s me.
  Put bluntly the Ball wasnt the issue. No problems with that.
  It was the dorks taking the Cinderellas to the ball that were the issue and the lack of a heads up from EP about the function.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:10am
Humble Capitalist

A question for DPF, what are your thoughts on the use of online panels for polling? My opinion is that it is not a random selection of NZ being polled. What was the reason for the change of methodology by Reid and Colmar Brunton?
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May 18, 2021 8:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Good question HC; see my 8.13am post below.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s easier to pre-select the desired result.
  I knew the anti Judith Poll was a falsehood.
  
  Some people when challenged just get more firmly resolved to withstand and defeat their hopeless opponents.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:21am
  - Red Fred
    
    Yo Kev hang in there cuz.HehHeh
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:12pm
- peterwn
  
  In the old days, media was rated for readership/ viewership to give an indication to advertisers as to where the advertising dollar is best spent.
  Looks like such current polls are for the purpose of showing that the incumbent government is receiving a decent political bang for the taxpayers’ money used to ~~bri~~ support the media.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, the current poll is being used to divert attention from that toxic He Puapua report.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Only the toxic He Puapua ? – what about all the other many current FUs as well.
      
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      May 18, 2021 8:49am
      - Nickc2
        
        I was one finger typing at the time and to list everything else would take too long. Never mind, you got the message.
        
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        May 18, 2021 9:07am
      - Red Fred
        
        you are one sick puppy what about Key and Blinglish 600000 immigrants in 9 years and FA houses built to house them.Oh shit I cannot wait to flail youse fuckers going forward ,this is going to be delicious .
        
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        May 18, 2021 8:12pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Actually, it’s worse than that. It’s being used to create a false narrative that New Zealanders aren’t interested in the issues around the He Puapua report and therefore trying to push Judith Collins into dropping it.
      
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      May 18, 2021 8:58am
- Rumpole 294
  
  Caught part of Mike Hoskins [Hosking} saying the recent preferred pm poll was skewed by the selection of those on an online site using a portion of those who had registered for polling and the addition of a list of names for pm. It appears that MSM are using polls to influence rather than record opinion.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:00am
  - Nickc2
    
    …..it appears……What, it’s fucking obvious!
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:15am
  - Red Fred
    
    Pathetic response to a grim poll ,but pleeeese leave Judith in place she surely is the answer to all of the Gnats problems .
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:14pm
- Juliet2554
  
  they probably want dodgy polls like the ones they use in the USA
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:21am
SJ Actual

I think the change in immigration position is positive overall.
1 – NZ should not have a population that gorws forever – I would support a cap.
2 – it might actaully inprove productivity, which is something that even Greece beats us at currently.
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May 18, 2021 8:11am
- Frank the tank
  
  So how are you going to get Shane’s “couzies” off the couch, especially when they get some extra koha as part of the budget?
  
  Try finding staff at present – you might have a different take on this….
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:21am
- Nickc2
  
  I heard that pathetic excuse for an MP this morning Stuart Nash espousing the need for rich immigrants prepared to invest in NZ. What a joke. If he had half a brain, he would have put himself in the position of a rich investor and asked himself “do I really need to invest in NZ and what will the return be?” In no time flat, the answer would have been obvious, NO. There would be a minimal return on investment due to the country’s current financial status and insatiable greed for tax monies to satisfy vanity projects and social demands of sections of a population who are work averse. If he was also to answer his own question honestly, (although not possible for a Labour MP) his next thought would have been “Where is the country going?” And there people lies a problem. A once proud and prosperous country driving itself towards Socialist/Communism is not where anyone in their right mind would invest!!! If it were, Venezuela would be flooded with rich investors.
  Next, any investor worth their salt would want to know what said countries population was like? When the investor discovers the country is co-governed by a racially imposing and demanding so-called indigenous self-entitled people along with a non-indigenous semi-organisation of people who cede to every demand made of it’s indigenous partner in crime.
  I for one wouldn’t invest in my own country these days. The risks are too great.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:22am
Tony Stuart

An interesting comment from Mike Hosking this morning about the Reid Research poll, and its methodology.

Reid Research, on behalf of its client Mediaworks, polls a certain number of people by landline and cellphone. The balance of responses are taken from a panel of people who have opted in for online surveys or polls. And that’s where it gets interesting.

Those called are simply asked who their preferred Prime Minister is, and their answers are recorded. But those polled online are presented with a list of potential PM candidates – 10-12 names – from which they make a selection. On the most recent poll, the name John Key appeared on the list.

So two questions; firstly, why would you offer as a potential PM a man who walked away from the Prime Ministership in 2016, and who left politics completely in 2017? Secondly, who prepares and authorises the list which is presented to those participating in the poll; is it someone from Newshub, or from Reid Research, and if it’s the former, who is responsible?

On the face of it, the inclusion of John Key seems to have no other purpose than to weaken support for Judith Collins, and support Newshub’s narrative that her leadership of the National Party is under threat. Is that really honest, objective journalism?
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May 18, 2021 8:13am
- Cinematic
  
  Quite. If Kermit was on the list I’d say he would have polled as well as John and have been just as relevant to the question of who is your preferred PM.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:24am
  - Martin Williams
    
    Yep. No doubt Kermit would poll higher than Collins.
    
    Question: how do you know John Keys [Key] isn’t about to announce a comeback?
    
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    May 18, 2021 1:20pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Welcome back “Party at Marty’s” Williams.
      
      It’s been established that John Key was a Toxic Tova plant in the online part of the poll. What’s next shall we put the ghost of Big Norm next to the Blairite’s name?
      
      Any wonder trust in the media is at an all time low
      
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      May 18, 2021 1:55pm
    - Cinematic
      
      But that’s the point, I can think of a long list of people that would poll higher than Collins. It’s also not difficult to put together a list that would poll higher than Jacinda. None of the choices would be relevant to the question though as they’re not legitimate options. If Key were to return to politics then sure have him on the list.
      
      Surely a survey list should be bedded down in realism?
      
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      May 18, 2021 3:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s dishonest activism paid for with the Govt’s media bribe fund. Criminal.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:24am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think the description is “activist journalism” Kev…
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:54am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It’s still dishonest. It would be interesting to test the legalities. I can see some Judges considering the $105M payments to the media as feeling like a bribe too. Perception is important.
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:36am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Judith’s true support is the total of hers and John Key’s. This poll was bullshit.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:26am
  - stewmar
    
    Judith’s true support is the total of hers and John Key’s. This poll was bullshit.
    
    Plus add to that half of the undecideds
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    But wait to they start acting on it these false beliefs.
    I sense the public have turned.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:38am
    - Red Fred
      
      In your dreams Kev .Even the farmers wives up her in the far North think Saint Jacinda is doing great keeping us and their families safe.Next election a lot of your teams response a la students from India and tourism is going to be replayed ,I almost feel sorry for you.Oh wait >Idont.
      
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      May 18, 2021 8:48pm
  - MCos
    
    I would suggest if someone prefers a long retired National Party leader to the present one there’s most certainly no guarantee they swing in behind her if his name wasn’t there.
    They might go for Seymour.
    Remember pre-covid when the Nats were leading the polls the then leader, Bridges, was still in the doldrums.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:52am
- nathie
  
  Secondly, who prepares and authorises the list which is presented to those participating in the poll; is it someone from Newshub, or from Reid Research, and if it’s the former, who is responsible?
  
  Presumably it is Newshub senior political reporter Tova O’Brien.
  
  (Andrew Dickens on ZB yesterday (after 3pm if searching for the audio) said he contacted Reid Research and they directed queries back to O’Brien).
  
  I heard Hosking this morning saying the above, it was quite informative, also liked his use of the word “Wonky” to describe this stupid idea to put names of former PM/MP’s in the online polling (I mean seriously, how stupid and deceptive is that).
  
  I like the word “Wonky”, I think it sums up Tova’s deceptiveness quite well … I think I’ll refer to her as “Wonky O’Brien” when does does stupid and deceptive shit like that!
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I prefer “wiley” not wonky.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:55am
    - Rumpole 294
      
      How about the toxic wonk woke.
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:03am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Cripes, Tova’s probably a cussie. I understand Irish activism and anarchism–I suspect it’s genetic.
        Tova’s certainly not wonky.
        
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        May 18, 2021 9:42am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Wonky, shonky, take your pick. The fact remains though that Tova O’Brien has been obsessed with the National Party leadership since Simon Bridges replaced Bill English in 2018. Her obsession has clouded any semblance of objectivity, and the opinions she broadcasts should be viewed in that light.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:58am
    - RoboRob
      
      Tova has slavishy ignored any issues with the Labour / green / NZF parties or their policies. She will mention an issue with the afore mentioned and spend about a minute on it, usually framing it as a political danger to the party involved. She than, almost always, pivots to discussing weakness in the national party for the remainder of her analysis.
      
      This is exactly the method used by PR people employed by political parties. That Media works ‘political reporter’ functions the same way as a Labour / Green PR person renders Media works political coverage (and any coverage of new laws) as nothing more that propoganda.
      
      Media works and their new left wing owners Discovery are clearly happy to be the CNN of NZ media. Unfortunately their competition aren’t ‘high quality’ either.
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:14am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Tova’s doing what any reputable activist would do and seemingly doing it well.
      
      Taking out Bridges was good Labour strategy. Judith is now the target too but she’s got time and experience on her side. Both her and Simon are very able but when you are dealing with the Labour PR mobsters you cannot play the nice game. They don’t play fair, they aim to destroy. Judith has their measure and the fortitude and patience to survive and conquer.
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:50am
      - Badger
        
        In a climate of identity politics it’s a shame she comes across as so horrible .
        
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        May 18, 2021 11:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    Twice I’ve been rung for a poll and have been asked for my post code both times. When I gave my postcode , a strong National seat, I was told that I didn’t qualify for the poll, the answer being that they had enough people from that postcode already. I don’t believe them. Next time I will be ready with the postcode from a neighbouring labour seat.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:00am
    - RockyJ
      
      Here is my experience with an online survey. I recently completed the feedback survey on the Ministry of Education website calling for feedback on the proposed NZ history curriculum. I found that I have been able to repeat the survey many times. I have even signed on as a Maori. Most online surveys will only allow you to complete them once from the same computer. That is really dumb. Can’t wait to see the results.
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:27am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Why not go the whole way and tell them you’re 28, Maori, and household income is 60k? Their objective is an unbiased poll but they’re not employing you so that doesn’t have to be your objective.
      
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      May 18, 2021 10:04am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    I recall an on air exchange between Garner and O’Brien last year where it was clearly implied that O’Brien manages the Reid Newshub polls as Newshub’s Chief Political Editor.
    It made no sense for Key to have been a contender in the latest poll and also given O’Brien’s history with anti National Leader reporting/opinion campaigns it was obvious that questions had been “fashioned” to elicit the desired response.
    The problem with show ponies like O’Brien and her prime minister idol is they will persist with a tactic as long as it keeps working.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:09am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Hosking also made the very good point about how many `dont knows’ there are at the moment. This used to always be reported as part of the results.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:50am
  - Jack5
    
    Mounting problems for pollsters:
    
    – Cellphones;
    
    – Increase ethnic minorities;
    
    – A widening difference between Auckland and the rest of the country;
    
    – the falling proportion of people with line phones;
    
    – hostility towards automated line-phone calls;
    
    – the bias of self-selection in online polling;
    
    – people’s cynicism about polls used for political purposes – “which side is the poll on?”
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:22am
    - rockape
      
      Polling is discredited. National used to poll fortnightly at considerable cost. However they now rarely post. Why spend money to find out what you could more accurately assess from an hour spent socialising in the local hostelry. Your only expenditure would be the cost of a pint, not the 30k a survey costs.
      
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      May 18, 2021 11:42am
- MCos
  
  It’s quite clear John Key’s name was thrown in as a wild card. It still doesn’t hide the fact that a certain percentage of the population would prefer him as PM over JC, or Ardern for that matter.
  I would say with certainty that a good number of people on this forum would prefer he was back leading the country.
  If his name wasn’t on the list there’s no telling where his preferences would have gone, but whoever it was would have been a lukewarm 2nd choice by definition.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:17am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Guess it would have been logical for Helen Clark to have been in the mix then?
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:46am
  - lifesgood
    
    That is nonsense. People voted for John Key because he had a proven track record as an excellent PM, Judith is still unknown as a PM. For a more correct view add the JK vote to the JC vote and you have a more realistic picture. That would show that the right has actually gained support. Lies, damn lies and polls,
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:58am
    - Red Fred
      
      I do love a chap with hallucinations ,carry on dear boy.But do not stop taking the meds.Do us all a favour .
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:50pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Bill English could have been on the list too. His steady hand and social investment approach could well be needed soon.
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:24am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      His steady hand and social investment approach is urgently needed right now.
      
      Fixed it for you 😀
      
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      May 18, 2021 12:58pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Enemedia.
  Disgusting really.
  I think Chris Trotter’s commentary above of TV3 nails it. We are not being served by them; neither informing the public nor asking the right questions. They are actually manipulating a narrative, and even Trotter is seeing that it is a one-sided affair.
  Including John Key in the list of option is either stupid or mischievous.
  Chris Trotter also made a comment previously that it is possible to tell if Judith is pushing the right peoples buttons over He Puapua.
  Now they are taking off the gloves, and attacking the messenger by all means. The Nats must not blink, keep calm, and stay on message.
  Lack of discussion of the contents of He Puapua is the problem. Of course it is separatist, to state a need for a separate Maori governance and state structure replicating the function of the crown entity.
  In the meantime Jacinda talks about cheese scroll recipes, flashes another toothy smile, and many NZers pay no attention to the mix of ineptitude and dangerous thinking of the party behind her.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:32am
- alloytoo
  
  Andrew Dickins (NTZB) contacted Reid Research about the dodgy methodology last night.
  
  They told him to speak to Tova.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:56am
  - Batman
    
    At the end of the day, the paying client is right. So they’re right to pass back to Three
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:18am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      I thought the paying client was the Labour Govt.?
      
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      May 18, 2021 2:21pm
      - alloytoo
        
        ssssshsh you weren’t supposed to notice.
        
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        May 18, 2021 3:42pm
- Red Fred
  
  Dream on Tones ,give Abbot in OZ a ring ,he could tell you a thing or ten about losing party support .All good tho bro please support Crusher to the max.She absolutely terrifies the labour party.Oh yes she surely does .
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Ditch the bitch and cull the kitten”

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/05/cool-the-planet-or-we-kill-the-dog/
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May 18, 2021 8:17am
ABS4EVA

1000 CCP Spies operating on the Ground in Australia.

They are the PRE- INVASION- FORCE

Wang Liqiang etc etc etc etc

Those Figures are an Understatement and OLD.

There will be much more than that NOW.

Generally they gather intel things like
military bases to target missilse at
infiltrate councils
the Labour Party change government Policy
and ensure strategic assets end up in the hands of
the CCP

The Usual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx2NdlmCMLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64SC9dQxo9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk&t=1355s
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May 18, 2021 8:26am
- Juliet2554
  
  same here. Our universities are full of them.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Are you suggesting my Chinese Wontons are not really wontons at all? If so, I will switch to Chinese Fortune Cookies in search of the truth.
    YES, our Universities and Aust’s have been infested with CCP Operatives for some time. It’s pretty well documented and no one is prepared to act at this time if at all.
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:43am
- Martin Williams
  
  You’re funny.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:02am
Swifty

Talking with my younger bro last week – he’s lawyering in the central North Island – he’s got a client with a (commercial) residential development underway.

The client is dealing with SEVEN Maori organisations over his resource consent and each (cultural impact assessment etc) report, from each organisation, costs him $20,000.

And if he wants these reports in under six months it’s $40,000.

(Not sure if that’s plus GST or inclusive.)

I’ll just leave that there.
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May 18, 2021 8:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  National really needs to draw up a list of rubbish like this that it will promise to take an axe to. I’m not hopeful.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  Legalised theft. Cultural Impact Assessment my arse. Its theft pure and simple (permanently denying the owner of ………).
  
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  May 18, 2021 12:12pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    It’s the Mafia with a feathered cloak.
    
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    May 18, 2021 2:23pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yea, dead birds will do it for ya every time.
      
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      May 18, 2021 2:38pm
Andrew Worth

Last night there was a story on TV3 news about the average hours of housework husbands do vs wives, was 19/week for the men vs 28/week for the women. The claim was that these figures were evidence that men were lazy, spending too much time on the couch.
The story even emphasized that even when the husband and wife were both in full-time employment the wives did more housework. What the story ignored was that typical “full-time employment” for men is on average around 10 hours/week longer for men than women.

The longer hours men work in paid employment was referenced at the end of the story – but not in connection to the amount of housework men do, rather it was given as the product of women being disadvantaged in cutting down their hours in paid employment with children needing to be cared for.

Just another example of the popularity of misandry these days: Men Bad.
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May 18, 2021 8:29am
- Simon
  
  Lol – TV3 “news”
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:33am
- Ehlana
  
  Longer hours for men probably partly does reflect a former reality, namely, that their wives were home looking after the kids.
  Since it is still women who have and breastfeed babies, time out of the workforce and its effect on the career path are inevitable for mothers. And if Mum has been out of the workforce, chances are she earns less than Dad, so from the family paying Auckland rent/mortgage point of view, it probably makes economic sense for Dad to carry on doing the longer hours while Mum takes on more of the childcare/housework.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:41am
  - Rumpole 294
    
    Surely the way in which partners in marriage arrange how they operate at home is their choice and other should keep their noses out.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:07am
    - Jack5
      
      It’s a big issue in the news media, where women have for some time been the main employees, and where work hours can be night, morning or day, and on any of seven days.
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:33am
- amospicton
  
  Yes that piece really was pathetic. Men should be doing their share of ‘women’s work’ (no argument from me on that) but no mention at all of women sharing in what has traditionally been ‘men’s work’ ie mowing lawns etc. The underlying assumption being that men do nothing, women do it all and if men did more then women could do more paid work.
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:58am
  - MCos
    
    Plenty of women mow the lawns hereabouts.
    Usually the kids of the family.
    Having said that about half the people employ professionals to cut the grass, from my observation.
    
    Back when I was a kid few mothers resumed work once they started a family of the people we knew, who were all Catholic and had a lot of kids.
    Started frightfully young too.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:36am
  - Badger
    
    If she went near my lawnmower I’d kill her.
    
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    May 18, 2021 12:25pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  It also ignores mowing the lawns cleaning out the gutters mending/cleaning the car fixing broken things and so on and so forth. If you had a survey of who spent the most time on house maintenance it wouldn’t fit the tiresome feminist dogma.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  When men do more hours in paid employment, that’s unfair to women. When women do more hours in unpaid work at home, that’s also unfair to women. Simple really.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:07am
  - Keith White
    
    Most pension money is paid in from men’s taxes and most pension money is paid out to women (men die ~7 years younger than women, often because of our occupational hazards and lack of funding for men-only problems such as prostate cancer). Of course, women living alone as they age is, as a friend of mine opines, also our fault because we’re dead sooner.
    
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    May 18, 2021 8:36pm
- cmm
  
  How many spiders do the women sort out?
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:48am
- rockape
  
  There is a reason they are called HOUSEWIVES, don’t tell my wife I said that!
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:46am
Maggie Pie

One of the best things about having a beach house at Tindalls……
is that you just don’t get the crowds.

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1394367117965860864
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May 18, 2021 8:30am
plc

Tom Scott as objective as ever in his Stuff cartoon
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May 18, 2021 8:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Tom Scott’s objectivity as a cartoonist expired with the turn of the century.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:17am
Simon

Excess mortality peaked the week of January 3 and then it began to collapse, dropping back to summer 2020 levels by mid February. By March 14, excess mortality was at 1 percent above the 2015-2019 average. All this occurred even as very few Americans were vaccinated.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covid-deaths-plummet-excess-mortality-falls-pre-pandemic-levels

The Ro is over in the US. Even the White House has called it recently. Florida, Texas did not do lockdowns back in Jan Feb and everything is fine.

Red State Merica leds the world.
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May 18, 2021 8:32am
- fernglas
  
  It will be interesting to see if the widespread vaccine refusal in those Red states will affect things in the longer term
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:39am
- cmm
  
  There will be a huge reduction in excess mortality because CV19 mainly knocked over those that were going to die in the next 18 months anyway.
  
  If CV19 harvests them a bit earlier, then that means it must be followed by a hole because, at the end of the day, it has to average out to one death per birth.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    But balancing that will be the accelerated death rates from deferred or abandoned medical interventions, poverty leading to shortened life spans etc. Essentially deaths from the response to Covid-19.
    
    I believe raw excess death statistics won’t tell us the true story. What will give us a better picture is likely to be specific-cause mortality statistics.
    
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    May 18, 2021 5:49pm
  - Andrew Worth
    
    Yes, but more like over 5 years.
    
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    May 18, 2021 6:56pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Take an average sized domestic bathtub and fill it to the brim with water.
  
  Now, take an eyedropper and remove two drops of water.
  
  The two drops represent the official Covid-19 death toll, while the remainder of the bathtub water represents the world’s people who have had their lives, liberty and futures disrupted by the authoritarian responses to Covid-19
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:44pm
  - Andrew Worth
    
    A bath filled to the brim holds about 500l of water, there are about 20 drops of water in a ml. So by your math the death rate from covid-19 is about 1 person in 5 million.
    
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    May 18, 2021 7:03pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Calc was based on 300l tub, 8b global pop, and 3.43m official deaths. 20 drops per ml is correct.
      
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      May 18, 2021 8:13pm
      - Andrew Worth
        
        Then it would be 1 in 3 million people dying, that is a global death toll of 2,666 people, so your math is out by 3 orders of magnitude.
        
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        May 19, 2021 7:53am
      - Andrew Worth
        
        Just to be clear that’s 1 person in 3 million people. I guess you missed the difference between millilitres and litres.
        
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        May 19, 2021 8:19am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear Hosking this morning about the TV3 poll? Half of those were online and were given a choice of who should be the National Party leader. The choices included John Key which was intended to bring Collins vote down. Does TV3 get government funding?
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May 18, 2021 8:34am
- nathie
  
  Does TV3 get government funding?
  
  Indirectly, as in non-stop Covid tv and radio advertising (including in prime time … that’s alot of $$$ for Mediaworks), Govt offering to pay their transmission fees (in the initial $50M Govt/media funding package 2020) which means Mediaworks can use money saved for other things, NZ on Air subsidised programming etc.
  
  But I don’t think it has anything to do with that. I think it is simply that Wonky Tova is just an [deleted – mod.], and enjoys manipulating the news to claim political scalps, instead of doing, ya know something long forgotten about, called “reporting” (as in non-biased, balanced, factual and accurate … RIP proper journalism).
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:48am
  - Jack5
    
    TV3 is now owned by Discovery New Zealand, a branch of Discovery Inc, of the United States.
    
    The American firm is in play at the moment, with the big American company AT&T, combining its WarnerMedia division with Discovery. The shareholders of AT&T are getting shares representing 71 per cent of the ownership of Discovery Inc.
    
    Apparently the “Discovery” name will probably be changed.
    
    The web site, Tech Crunch, says the deal will include more than 100 brands:
    
    “These include HBO, Warner Bros., Discovery, DC Comics, CNN, Cartoon Network, HGTV, Food Network, the Turner Networks, TNT, TBS, Eurosport, Magnolia, TLC and Animal Planet. The companies confirmed that they plan to include news in the largely entertainment-focused group.
    They say it will have annual revenues of approximately $(US)52 billion.”
    
    Sorry Tova, no mention of TV3! But being part of the same group as CNN – you’ll love that.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:48am
    - cmm
      
      Just the word Discovery sounds very colonial to me. Maybe they need some woke new name.
      
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      May 18, 2021 10:53am
      - Paulus
        
        A Maori name please so we can understand it !
        
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        May 18, 2021 12:54pm
    - Nickc2
      
      TV3 part of the same group as CNN eh? Well, that explains a lot. It didn’t take long for NZ to adopt Govt by the Media, did it? Don’t forget, we pay these bastards to falsify our news and support a corrupt Govt. Geez, we’re mad!
      
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      May 18, 2021 12:02pm
    - alloytoo
      
      This is about the streaming market, this new entity would have the reach and depth of IP to challenge Disney and Netflix.
      
      The big losers here are the traditional Cable and Satellite providers, their content is drying up.
      
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      May 18, 2021 3:47pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  See above 😀
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:59am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  On that theme, they should have included Winston Churchill, Norman Kirk, Justin Bieber and Eddard Stark.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:55am
- rockape
  
  If I had an open choice of PM it would be Maggie Thatcher, sadly she is dead and never was a Kiwi !
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:48am
Batman

A useful follow-on from yesterday afternoon’s yarn about the US Capitol riots and whether reality exists.

I’m sure this will get downticks but this is a very interesting 28 minutes of audio about the legal issues, challenges, inventive defences, and serious charges being pursued by the Federal government.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/podcasts/the-daily/capitol-riot-investigation.html

In the first few minutes it highlights what AoR did yesterday, and which is well known, that the are plenty of people who went inside, didn’t steal or break anything, took selfies and then left. That is correct that those cases exist.

But that isn’t the end of it, it also covers the violence and pre-planned and organised operation executed by the proud boys, three percenters, and various other entities.

All in all, well worth a listen!
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May 18, 2021 8:38am
- Juliet2554
  
  they were let in & told to look around. I have all the videos saved on my phone.
  It was agent provocateurs – antifa dressed as Trump supporters. This is evident by people arrested & ones who recorded the whole thing – John Sullivan. I have seen his Youtube channel.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:27am
  - Batman
    
    Ahhh Juliet, welcome back. I see you’re still pushing absolute nonsense.
    
    Yes some were ‘welcomed’ past the check points, once it was clear that the few police at them were being totally overwhelmed and they were needed as reinforcements at the steps and doors. That is a tactical withdrawal, it doesn’t mean that the rioters weren’t trespassing or there without permission.
    
    There is no evidence of people aligned with the leaderless movement known as antifa being anywhere near the Capitol on Jan 6. The 400+ people arrested are all Trump supporters who proudly wore the hats and flags, and have corroborating social media histories to boot.
    
    Naming some random guy with a YouTube channel named John Sullivan doesn’t prove any of what you claim.
    
    Please provide some actual real proof of someone from ‘Antifa’ being arrested for storming the Capitol, or charges against multiple people for organising it.
    
    I can show you charges against the Proud Boys, Three Percenters etc all day long.
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:47am
    - Keith White
      
      I’m sure you have all day long BM, the productive amongst us work the day long.
      
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      May 18, 2021 8:38pm
Tony Stuart

Remember how Labour and Green MP’s used to bang on about National giving citizenship to the uber-wealthy Peter Thiel?

I guess last night’s immigration announcement is going to shut those people for a while, do you reckon?

https://twitter.com/camrynpetebrown/status/1394187650504937473

PS – this was foreshadowed as an announcement from Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi, but where was he? Has he been put into Witless Protection after his diabolical performance in the House last week?
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May 18, 2021 8:46am
- nathie
  
  I wonder if the Labour Witless Protection scheme is like Musical Chairs … when one goes into Witless Protection, someone else has to leave?
  
  I mean, if they didn’t run a musical chairs operation, that Cupboard would become rather full all of a sudden. (And although I’m sure Kelvin welcomes the visitors, poor ol’ Robbo can’t be the only one left on the outside to do everything on his own, surely).
  
  Either that or I suppose any newbies could also hide under the massive rug (that’s used to sweep things under) in Ardern’s office … when she’s not using it like recently when she disappeared for almost a week after criticism of her disgraceful handling of the KFC worker case!
  
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  May 18, 2021 8:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Heard on RNZ early this morning that kris Faafoi’s absence is because he was sick….and
  
  Nash stood in for Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi, who was sick.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125152675/government-wants-to-turn-down-tap-on-temporary-and-skilled-migrant-workers
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I would have been feeling sick too, had I been the target of the speeches Erica Stanford and Chris Bishop delivered on Thursday during the Special Debate on the Interim Report of the Petitions Committee.
    
    Erica Stanford: https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=218187
    
    Chris Bishop: https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=218189
    
    It’s not that long ago that Faafoi was regarded as on of Labour’s safest pair of hands, and he was deservedly promoted. However his tenure of the Immigration portfolio has been dreadful, and instead of safe hands, he’s been nothing but sausage fingered. The treatment of migrants separated from their families flies in the face of the Government’s “Be Kind” mantra.
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:17am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      To be fair, anyone who thought “Whanau, Whanau, Bro” would be a good Immigration Minister were kidding themselves.
      
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      May 18, 2021 10:50am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

You didn’t think ‘@jack’ would stop at Trumpy did you?

https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/1394076470130221058
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May 18, 2021 8:50am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the bearded one could be ‘fluid’.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:37am
Ehlana

Audrey Young this morning: “Ardern resisted calling for a look at the law when charges were laid in relation to National and New Zealand First donations. That suggestion arose only after charges were laid in relation to Labour.”
Hmmm, I wonder why…
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May 18, 2021 9:03am
Happychappy

House Prices continue record-breaking streak dispite market activity cooling off.
House Prices are continuing to sky rocket post- Covid 19 with average house asking prices for property reaching a all time high of $815,000 last month.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2021/05/house-prices-continue-record-breaking-streak-despite-market-activity-cooling-off.html
If Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister thinks bringing in wealth business people is the solution to the housing crisis she is dreaming as every time she opens her mouth to praise the Reserve Bank and give kudos to the Finance Minister two to three months nothing changes and the problem has got worse,
Failure is one of Labours greatest achievements so it just as well that Jacinda mania is there to save their embarrassment.
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May 18, 2021 9:10am
- Paulus
  
  Cindy must be looking at her multi million dollar house in Auckland.
  
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  May 18, 2021 12:57pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Isn’t it going to become part of the new light rail highway? The horses could stop there for refreshment.
    
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    May 18, 2021 1:53pm
lazza

Plaintive Suggestion:

“Do Catherine Ryan or Ninetonoon producers intend responding to Chris Trotter’s excoriating criticism of the brief and composition of their present panel discussing political issues?

If they wish to retain their Ninetonoon historical (and deserved) reputation for fairness and balance … then I suggest that … “They Do”.
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May 18, 2021 9:22am
Opie

Can someone please confirm for me if this is true?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsroom.co.nz/orion-demands-review-of-scandalous-38m-vaccine-register?amp=1

If so, who ever made this decision should be jailed for criminal level wastage of taxpayers money.
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May 18, 2021 9:35am
- septic skeptic
  
  So why would you spend ten times as much as you needed?
  The obvious answer is that a bigger budget affords much bigger kickback opportunities, but fortunately for us we live in one of the least corrupt countries so that couldn’t possibly be the reason.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:45am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    With 2% of government IT contracts handled transparently it must be great being in that line of business if youre the partner of a Green or Labour MP eg. Genter’s partner that was handed an uncontested contract
    
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    May 18, 2021 12:00pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  MOH squanders $35 mill. But John Key nearly did that much with the flag, so its all ok
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:57am
  - Opie
    
    The flag referendum was 20 million and he campaigned on it. We knew what we were getting.
    
    Then it was use of democratic process eg a referendum, something the current mob seem unable to do.
    
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    May 18, 2021 12:46pm
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      I know that Opie, just taking the mickey out of the lefties favourite – John Key and the flag everytime the comrades waste our money
      
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      May 18, 2021 4:50pm
    - Red Fred
      
      oh come on Miles it was not just that,it was the 34 million to Rio Tinto and the 13 mill to the upset Saudi chap.How come you righties cannot bring yourselves to tell the the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.It is sad and very very dissapointing.By the way have you read Dirty Politics yet.? Thought not.!
      
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      May 18, 2021 9:15pm
      - Red Fred
        
        Not to mention the #35 mill that Joyce gifted to his old company.It appears transparency is a one way street with you duplicitous roosters.Have no fear the truth will out.I note with a huge amount of satisfaction none of my statements today HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED FO TRUTHINESS .Heh Heh .
        
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        May 18, 2021 9:57pm
- DeepBlue
  
  It got a lot of MSM coverage about a fortnight ago and has been shut down since. I guess we are waiting for the AG to investigate.
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who is going to be on that register and on what authority?
  I already have sufficient entries on govt records.
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Has Parliament agreed to such a register?
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:50pm
Maggie Pie

Last night I tweeted…… ‘I actually feel sorry for Andrew’

So far more than ‘600 likes’ ….yet the ‘Replies’ are all disgusting.
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May 18, 2021 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, lesson learnt. Twitter is really a haven for unstable cellar dwellers.
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:39am
- MCos
  
  Sure
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Positive.
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:31am
BeaB

Brilliance from Chris Trotter:

This is how it works now. If a potentially damaging report like He Puapua makes it into the public arena, do not under any circumstances attempt to inform the public accurately and dispassionately about its contents. Instead, brand any publicly voiced misgivings about the report’s recommendations as “racist”. Give maximum coverage to accusations and recriminations arising from politicians’ responses to the report, and highlight the alleged divisiveness of their attempts to question or challenge its findings. Then, commission a poll, the entirely predictable results of which can be used to discredit the report’s critics: most particularly the leader of the political party most heavily invested in challenging its officially sanctioned version of reality.

It’s a game played out every day in Moscow and Beijing. The only serious distinction between the players there, and the players here, being that ‘there’ they know that the name of the game is “Propaganda”; while ‘here’ they still think it’s called “Journalism”.
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May 18, 2021 9:55am
- MCos
  
  Some comments by one of the report’s authors https://www.newsroom.co.nz/podcast-the-detail/the-aspirational-plan-being-used-to-stir-racial-discord
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:57am
  - MCos
    
    The report, which you can read for yourself.
    Personally I haven’t so I won’t comment.
    https://www.tpk.govt.nz/docs/undrip/tpk-undrip-he-puapua.pdf
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:00am
    - graham
      
      I believe that is the heavily redacted version, at 34 pages.
      
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      May 18, 2021 11:21am
    - fernglas
      
      That’s just the Reader’s Digest version. The full report is about 250 odd pages and contains some interesting things. Amongst them is a lengthy diatribe about how important Maori deities are in formulating any policy. You don’t even have to go past about page 7 to read it, but I find the notion that any form of religious belief system can underpin social policy in this day and age.
      
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      May 18, 2021 11:28am
BananaLlama

If we are on the subject of polls i would like commentators to note how little coverage the previous Roy Morgan poll received compared to the latest Newshub poll.
I am going to make a prediction that if the next monthly poll from Roy Morgan show results that differ greatly from the Newshub poll then that will also be buried.
Our NZ media is now in the game of manufacturing public consent. It is why i will continue to advocate for an explicitly right wing news outlet as we don’t have a choice anymore.
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May 18, 2021 10:05am
- MCos
  
  For some reason those Roy Morgan polls never seem to get much coverage.
  In the case of the Newshub poll they’ve forked out good money so off course they’re going to play it up, which makes it difficult for the other news outlets, including Kiwiblog, to ignore.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:07am
  - Red Fred
    
    Morgan underestimated St Jacindas support by a full 4% last time at the election .Go figure you sad POS.Yeh yeh I know the election was a rogue poll.ROTFLMAO.
    
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    May 18, 2021 10:39pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “advocate for an explicitly right wing news outlet”
  
  I am aware of some moves in this space. Well funded. Credible, industry-savvy governance. Under NDA so can’t comment further.
  
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  May 18, 2021 2:27pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    in the meantime interest.co.nz is pretty unbiased (aside from publishing a fair number of policy pieces from lefty academic contributors – but clearly distinguishable as such)
    
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    May 18, 2021 2:46pm
Jack5

For anyone curious about how Israel’s Iron Dome works:

https://www.jta.org/2021/05/14/israel/what-is-the-iron-dome-all-about-the-missile-defense-system-that-changed-how-israelis-experience-war
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May 18, 2021 10:24am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Israel: Uses missiles to protect its civilians.
  Hamas: Uses civilians to protect its missiles.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:15am
Homas

I see in Stuff today, a Maori “journalist” has, after bemoaning accusations of a Maori separatist agendum, gone on to punctuate her narcissistic whine with the usual half-baked comparative health statistics- whereupon she trots out the following:

“When you hear that Māori will probably die seven years younger than other nationalities, what I hear is that my parents will probably die seven years younger than my friends’ parents.”

“Nationalities” indeed. Freudian slip much?
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May 18, 2021 10:46am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Or she could get her parents to eat and exercise better and to go to the doctors when they need to?
  You know, doing something about her parent’s health rather than blaming everyone else for their decisions.
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:22am
- fernglas
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:31am
- Jack5
  
  Do the Red Radio journo’s parents smoke cigarettes?
  
  If not and if they control their weight and follow a Mediterranean diet, there may be no Maori-Pakeha life-expectancy gap.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:50pm
cmm

How the mighty are falling.

Bill Gates really pushed out the philanthropist image to try buy himself kudos, but it doesn’t seem to be enough. Once the chooks in the chookhouse start pecking they really get going.

First it’s the ex missus hanging out the dirty laundry. Now it’s being mates with Epstein (?? more to come there??). And it seems Bill loved to dip his pen in the company ink well.

Having been personally screwed royally by Microsoft I do not shed a tear. Nor do I shed a tear for Melinda who knew exactly what she was shacking up with.
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May 18, 2021 11:01am
- Littletramp
  
  Could we say Bill Gates transitioned from philanthropist (using his software) to philanderer (using his hardware) as he became more successful?
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:47pm
Fletch

Re: Hosking and polls…
Hosking also pointed out this morning an online article of which the headline reads –

Māori wards: Overwhelming support from Māori in Horizons Regional Council survey

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/442764/maori-wards-overwhelming-support-from-maori-in-horizons-regional-council-survey

The article says that there is overwhelming support for Maori wards – 96% in favour. As Hosking points out (and as is mentioned way down in the article), those doing the polling mailed out 18,500 survey forms but only got around 1600 forms back – 96% of which were in favour of Maori wards. So the polling is virtually worthless. Of course the only people sending the forms back are going to be largely in favour.

Councillors have been given the results of a Horizons survey mailed to nearly 18,500 individuals on the Māori electoral roll who are enrolled to vote in the Horizons region.

Ninety-six percent of the responses were in favour of the regional council establishing Māori constituencies in time for next year’s local body elections.

The survey was also publicly available for completion online. Most responses were received from people enrolled on the Māori electoral roll, and more than 90 percent were residents or ratepayers in the region.

Overall, 1649 responses were received, showing that 1472 people support introducing Māori wards in the Horizons region in 2022, and 152 oppose.
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May 18, 2021 11:02am
- graham
  
  I also notice from the excerpt you have quoted:
  
  Councillors have been given the results of a Horizons survey mailed to nearly 18,500 individuals on the Māori electoral roll who are enrolled to vote in the Horizons region.
  
  The survey was also publicly available for completion online. Most responses were received from people enrolled on the Māori electoral roll, and more than 90 percent were residents or ratepayers in the region.
  
  So the survey was directly mailed to nearly 18,500 people who are already on the Māori electoral roll; and perhaps not surprisingly, most responses were received from people enrolled on the Māori electoral roll. And thus, even less surprisingly, most were in favour.
  
  * Sigh *
  
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  May 18, 2021 11:31am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    The response rate is a good argument against having Maori wards. If only 8.9% of people on the roll could be bothered responding to the survey, what makes them think any more than that are going to actually go out and vote?
    
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    May 18, 2021 2:29pm
oldfella

This story might interest those on KB with the kind of hypertension that doesn’t respond well to meds.
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Brief pulses of ultrasound delivered to nerves near the kidney produced a clinically meaningful drop in blood pressure in people whose hypertension did not respond to a triple cocktail of medications.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-zapping-nerves-ultrasound-lowers-drug-resistant.html
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May 18, 2021 11:25am
Maggie Pie

It looks like you’re not allowed to say where the variant came from.

Yet we all know, it’s the Indian variant of the Wuhan/Chynaa virus.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1394426279907184641
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May 18, 2021 11:37am
MCos

Opinion piece in the NYT.
If your views are inflexible, either pro Israel or Hamas, don’t bother reading.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/opinion/israel-netanyahu-hamas.html?referringSource=articleShare
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May 18, 2021 11:48am
- Inandout
  
  NYT, no thanks.
  
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  May 18, 2021 12:19pm
Durden

He PuaPua
https://www.tpk.govt.nz/docs/undrip/tpk-undrip-he-puapua.pdf

Here is my potted summary of the document which is written in hard to understand Manglish.:

By 2040, we must have three spheres of governance:
1. Rangatiratanga: What we think is is ours, you will give it to us, and we will do whatever we wish with it without any say for you.

2. Kawanatanga Karauna (Joint Sphere): What we agree is shared, we can have it, but we can do with it only what we will let you do.

3. Kawanatanga: What we think is yours, we will decide if it is, and in return we will have a new constitution with a Maori upper house. You can have as much discussion as you want but you will reach our conclusions.

From what I can gather:
This is based on various Te Tiriti interpretations Ver x.x , and future re-interpretations.

Must be done because the UN said so. But it was non-binding? Nope.

We forget full and final treaty settlements already done. That is all in the past.

The future is bi-cultural. Chinese, Indians, Asians of other varieties, and others don’t exist/matter.

This must be discussed this with the public, but only as a means to educate them.

The outcome is already decided. You can start implementing changes now.

We will discuss it with Maori as to how this will be implemented. And you will agree.

______________________________
This is based on my full read the executive summary of the document. I am not sure I understand it fully–because it written in Manglish, but I think understand the thrust of it.

Apparently this report was written over a two-month period in 2019.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018795469/what-is-he-puapua

There is supposed to be a full text that talks about an upper house/Maori Parliament, but it is not easily found publicly. Even though the National party claims to have a full copy.

I suppose all this will be done. Because Cindy the Saviour, and future head of the UN, said “judge us by our actions” at Waitangi
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May 18, 2021 11:50am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If this comes to pass then my family, and most other productive types in the country will vote with our feet and leave these fuckwits to the regressive racist anti-democratic neo-aristocratic shithole they have wrought. They’ll rapidly run out of money and likely be owned and occupied by china or competing with Venezuela, Zimbabwe and S.A for greatest civilisational decline status with a generation.
  
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  May 18, 2021 2:40pm
  - RockyJ
    
    Don’t leave. That is what they want
    
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    May 18, 2021 5:25pm
  - Red Fred
    
    Good .Fuck off ,I will help you pack and deliver you to the airport you execrable POS.
    
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    May 18, 2021 9:19pm
    - Yabster
      
      no class at all……
      
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      May 19, 2021 9:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-says-you-no-longer-have-to-wear-a-life-jacket-outside-in-case-of-rain?
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May 18, 2021 12:28pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I also like their article attacking Luke Skywalker for destroying the Associated Press office on the Death Star.
  
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  May 18, 2021 2:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, they are a lot of fun. Some on this blog used to take them seriously until they learned what satire was (lefties with no humour LOL)
    
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    May 18, 2021 4:08pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

Another reason to make sure you know where your partner hides the keys to his Gun-Safe and separate Ammo-locker.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1394336887301558274
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May 18, 2021 12:29pm
Rusty

I am not anti-Jewish or nation of Israel (my great grandfather was Jewish ) but ever since Israel became a state by the UN in 1948 has every conflict, skirmish or crisis involving the Palestinians in one way or another always been their fault?

In other words are the Palestinians/ muslim’s always the aggressors (bad guys) towards Israel and their people?

Putting aside this recent problem even the most biased person cant’t help noticing that many in the west, USA, Uk, media,etc, and many christian churches take Israel’s side all the time.

The historical rhetoric is that the Palestinians hate Israel so much and if they had their way they would kill every Jew in Israel because its really a muslim state and they/UN took it off them.

The outrage from the west is always highlighted on how they murder innocent Jewish men, woman, and children but when Israel and their army retaliates by doing the same or worse to them — the west plays it down or says something like they deserved it.

I know in the west many far left govts , media, and people are displaying anti-semitic attitudes towards the Jews which I don’t like but just perhaps they are right that the Palestinians are unfairly labelled the bad guys always.
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May 18, 2021 12:40pm
- alloytoo
  
  Israel declared independence in 1948 (as per UN resolution 181).
  
  4 Arab states promptly attacked Israel. Those states told Palestinians to leave the area, that they could return once Israel had been defeated.
  
  Some left and those remaining became Israeli citizens once the dust settled.
  
  Palestinians have become a proxy army for regional arab states since then, but none of those states will accept them as refugees.
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:13pm
- I remember when
  
  The trouble in the Arab/Israeli situation is that there doesn’t seem to be room for a draw.
  The Jewish funding of the US political scene means that they are not a good source of criticism.
  Then there is the Holocaust guilt feeling, so that only leaves Al Jazeera for an alternative source with some credence in the West.
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:28pm
MrTips

In a world of increased and more sophisticated hacking, this was always a high risk of happening here and now it finally has.

Hundreds of thousands of patients have probably had their data nicked in a IT cyber attack at Waikato DHB. Coming to a darkweb auction near you.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125163367/cyber-security-incident-creates-full-it-outage-at-waikato-dhb-hospitals
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May 18, 2021 1:09pm
- rangitoto
  
  Or was it a cleaner pulled out the wrong power plug?
  
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  May 18, 2021 3:02pm
Jack5

Stuff on its English-language sites and in its English-language print now calls the big mountain near New Plymouth “Taranaki Maunga”.

FFS, Mount Taranaki in English. Taranaki Maunga in Maori language.

Which will we first see on Stuff: “Everest maunga,” or “Fuji maunga,” or Vesuvius maunga”?

Given that Stuff is part of the State Media Conglomerate (State TV, State Radio, and subsidised newspapers), we can take it the Government is promoting the rise and adoption of
New Zealand Pidgin – Maorified English.

Where are Woke Stuff’s Maori-language web sites, where are its Maori-language newspapers? Is Stuff nailing its flag to the mast of the not-quite-floating pseudo-ship, NZ Pidgin?

English is a great language! We’re lucky to have it as our national tongue.

PS: the all but death of Egmont as a dual name for Taranaki shows you can’t trust survival of English dual names imposed by the Maori-dominated Geographic Place Names Board.
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May 18, 2021 1:11pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is Pidgin English an official language in NZ?
  
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  May 18, 2021 1:42pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    No but it is the official language in the republic of (little) Aotearoa.
    
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    May 18, 2021 1:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good on you for holding to the view that John Perceval, an obscure 18-century English politician who probably never travelled outside the British Isles, needs permanent commemoration in Aotearoa New Zealand.
  
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  May 18, 2021 4:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Aotearoa? Aotearoa New Zealand? Ao-bloody-tea-rower?
    
    You’re not just pretending to be Woke, are you ? Milky?
    
    It sounds to be a case of perpetual Woke – full blown, eyelids-jammed-open, tortured, restless, boring insomnia, with immunity to all these sleeping medications (and to Milo and a bedtime whisky):
    
    https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/insomnia-medications
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:02pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I hope you were able to get some sleep, Jack, and had no nightmares about people using te reo in ways that offend you.
      
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      May 19, 2021 6:36am
      - Yabster
        
        such a twit mate- the whole are you scared of te reo bollocks is not even and argument- is it milky?- you and anyone can speak Te Reo to their hearts content (problem is not many can) but why mix it with another language? would anyone speaking say Japanese throw in a whole lot of te reo ? nope No ones offended by Te Reo as your wokeness keeps trying to point out- what we don’t get is why mix two languages. Is that clear now in your tiny little mind?
        
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        May 19, 2021 7:58am
I remember when

Is Question Time getting past a joke.
The ‘great arbiter’ so busy not being able to hear the answer when National inject, that he fails to notice the Labour support during some of their propaganda answers.
Grant ‘the nodding dog in the back window of the car’ loves getting in his ‘farthings worth’. Was going to say ‘tuppence’ but it’s not housing.
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May 18, 2021 1:15pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48VEN5y6fMQ

Why Israel and Palestine are Fighting.

Iran gave Hamas more money, and they bought more rockets. But wait, there’s more!
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May 18, 2021 1:17pm
- barnacle bill
  
  @curry4me
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/16/how-the-violence-plays-into-netanyahus-hands
  
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  May 18, 2021 3:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4LxCGIX8Q&list=PLRE6vgY7NmNFHRj0DwgGj-w0QKYK9s2Mb&index=1
“Transformation through education.” Those are the words used by the Chinese Communist Party to describe the internment camps that house hundreds of thousands of Uyghurs scattered across the Xinjiang Autonomous region. An increasing number of Western governments have declared China’s treatment of the Uyghur people a genocide. Leaked documents reveal a system of forced labour, forced abortions and forced ideological indoctrination. What is really going on in these camps? Is it really a genocide? Are we funding it? And what can we do to stop it? All that, in this video.
[as well as the suggestions in the video, there are other things you can do. Kitchen stuff, and clothes can be bought from an op shop. Their stuff isn’t all rubbish. Some kitchen consumables can be bought from KOSTCO.]
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May 18, 2021 1:19pm
- Bluegrass
  
  It’s not just the Chicoms doing “transformation thru education”.
  
  The cultural Marxists have captured the Anglosphere’s education system and transformed it into one huge madrassa, indoctrinating our children who consequently now have no intellectual curiosity because they have been taught to consider any opposing view to the ‘narrative’ as an existential threat.
  
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  May 18, 2021 6:47pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In Wellington we have the new, low energy white street lights. All very flash, but they provide noticeably less illumination than the previous orange sodium vapour street lights they replaced.

No doubt the Council are congratulating each other on the win for the planet, but they have missed the main point, which is that street lights need to first & foremost provide illumination.
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May 18, 2021 1:30pm
- Batman
  
  Not the get too nerdy but those lights actually provide better and clearer illumination to the human eye than that orange ones which basically created a lot of light noise compared the illumination.
  
  Though it does depend on how they’re set up, they provide a very directed light source with minimal spillage so need to set up the right way.
  
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  May 18, 2021 2:05pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  The flash could be a problem. Should have gone to Specsavers?
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:45pm
Maggie Pie

Often when i’m making lunch I listen to the ‘1ZB News’ ….then wait to see what HDPA’s Paramour has to say about the days political events.

Unfortunately, it means having to put up with those two embarrassments that host the ‘Noon > 4 Show’ until Bazza arrives in the studio. Today was no exception.

The first 10 minutes were taken up by a pathetic discussion about one owing the other a coupla’ bucks over some silly bet (….like anyone could give a flying f – -k) then, to cap it off, they start discussing “whether or not they talk to their work colleagues in the toilet when they go for ‘Number Ones”!
Apparently, the older of the two can’t pee if someone engages him in conversation while he’s standing there. (I assume he meant with his dick out.)

And to think ‘Shorn Plunket’ is sitting at home twiddling his thumbs.
God give me strength.

SHEESH!!
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May 18, 2021 1:47pm
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m surprised the Blairite hasn’t gone on their show yet. Would be right down her alley.
  
  The older one is a rampant commie as well.
  
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  May 18, 2021 2:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Interesting that even old Tony himself has seen the writing on the wall.
    
    He’s now telling British Labor MP’s…… “that they’re facing extinction with their ‘voter repellent’ approach to culture, gender, race, and identity.”
    
    Wonder if he copied Cindy in on the memo? 😀
    
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    May 18, 2021 3:33pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  (I assume he meant with his dick out.)
  
  Biologically impossible to pee with your dick in.
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Perhaps you’ve been trying too hard Doc? 😛
    
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    May 18, 2021 6:52pm
Inandout

Wonder if Hunter will get this sort of ‘exposure’?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9581137/Gaetz-accused-snorting-cocaine-having-sex-prostitute-paid-taxpayers-NOTHING.html
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May 18, 2021 3:37pm
chukar

Steven Joyce quote—
“New labour laws are a return to compulsory unionism,”
How bad can it get?

Our labour markets have been working,
Now these ideological idiots are about to destroy another hard earned NZ icon.
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May 18, 2021 3:53pm
- Red Fred
  
  Care to inform us old boy how many people left for
  
  OZ after your employments contract act came into force .I know shitloads and it is still happenning.Even Blodger says the pendulum had swung too far the other way.FFS why would a good tradesman work here for half the money.My neph is off in a month for money in the late K200s as a diesel mine workshop manager .This is a guy who has trained 12 apprentices ,and we can really not afford to lose.Yous twats burble on about market forces so your chosen few can make shitlods ,eg the dropkick Muller,can you tell me why apart from the Fact Fonterra has turned into a sheltered workshop for Tory boys why the eejit should have pulled 1 Mill with a masters degree in history.NAH THOUGHT NOT .!!!!!
  
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  May 18, 2021 9:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    What’s this diesel mine, Fred?
    
    So Oz is the answer. Why don’t we just become a state of Australia, then?
    
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    May 18, 2021 11:06pm
    - Red Fred
      
      Port Hedland.I am trying to find the clip that I saw on TV where Engrish defends NZ low wages ,he says at the time it made us more competitive with OZ.How delusional is that.600000 Kiwis in OZ,you have to question why that is .We swapped that quality stock for Keys bottom of the barrel taxi drivers and fuel station counter jumpers .600000 of these low quality imports mostly,in Auckland.Maybe someone down there can tell us how it is working out traffic wise.
      
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      May 19, 2021 8:41am
- Red Fred
  
  The sooner the better.
  
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  May 21, 2021 3:12pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125163367/cyber-security-incident-creates-absolute-chaos-at-waikato-hospital
There is something dodgy about this report.
I suspect that someone has tried a software update and buggered it up. One of the 12-year-old IT wizards.
As for not being able to save Word documents anywhere, have they not heard of “C”-drives ?
I look forward to hearing more.
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May 18, 2021 4:20pm
- MCos
  
  Things have changed since your day, mate.
  
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  May 18, 2021 7:29pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300310489/zac-guildford-selected-for-wairarapa-bush-squad-following-assault-sentencing
OK folks, place your bets: 1 month ? 2 months ?
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May 18, 2021 4:23pm
timmy

Did all world leaders get a Christmas hamper from Cuba last year?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/elton-john-tickets-investment-homes-and-company-owned-mps-financial-interests-revealed/YKEDOFYWQELJC5EUBWZS4OYDAY/
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May 18, 2021 4:27pm
- sooty
  
  Do we have a Cuban embassy in NZ!
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You will not find this on the fake news leftist media. DOJ been sitting on that video for months, to let the lies about insurrection and trespassing to take root with the media’s narrative – not to mention the hundreds of trespassing charges against people still in jail.
Pro tip – if you are invited in, it’s not trespassing. I mean, I’m no lawyer, but I can find my ass with just one hand. Apparently DOJ lawyers cant.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/narrative-buster-video-shows-men-were-invited-into-the-us-capitol-before-trump-finished-speaking-at-the-eclipse/?
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May 18, 2021 4:27pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Man you are gullible.
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:38pm
- Batman
  
  Bahaha Steve it really seems like you’re not even putting in the effort to defend this.
  
  “Invited in” is not a real argument given what happened on the steps. I think you’re misunderstanding cops letting people by because they were vastly outnumbered and needed backup at the steps and entrances.
  
  As for the timeline argument, that has long since been proven wrong:
  
  How a Presidential Rally Turned Into a Capitol Rampage https://nyti.ms/3bvNjtb
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:59pm
- MCos
  
  Tell it to the judge
  
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  May 18, 2021 7:26pm
- Red Fred
  
  It is getting harder to take you seriously dear boy.Take your meds and have a good lie down .Sheesh.
  
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  May 18, 2021 10:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ted Cruz handing Biden and Harris their arses to them on a plate.
https://rumble.com/vh75pd-ted-cruz-blasts-biden-admin-for-pretending-border-crisis-doesnt-exist.html?
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May 18, 2021 4:35pm
- MCos
  
  I note one of the other items on the page refers to Biden blaming Trump for the Border Crises.
  So how can Cruz thus claim Biden pretends it doesn’t exist, Steve?
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:01pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Ted Cruz?
  
  A man whose only human characteristic is he walks on two feet.
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:38pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

So the real reason Bill Gates secretly flew into NZ during the pandemic was not nefarious at all, Cindy was giving him marriage advice, how NICE:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9586249/Jeffrey-Epstein-gave-marital-advice-Bill-Gates-pair-laughed-toxic-relationship.html
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May 18, 2021 5:20pm
- Batman
  
  Secretly flew to NZ? Pull the other one, as they say
  
  https://www.aap.com.au/bill-gates-wasnt-in-new-zealand-this-year-and-those-microchip-claims-have-already-been-debunked/
  
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  May 18, 2021 5:48pm
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    Yeah fact checkers….shown to be totally credible, lol.
    
    Even Bozo could admit it, just shows how corrupt Cindy is in comparison:
    
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-bill-and-melinda-gates-19-may-2020
    
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    May 18, 2021 6:23pm
you reap what you sow

Soper’s questioning of Cindy over the immigration policy is telling: she basically said we are not letting seasonal workers into NZ because business owners exploit them with low wages. Soper reminded her there was a minimum wage and legal consequences for transgressors. To which Cindy had No answer just flab.

The socialist Cindy is going full out.

Really
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May 18, 2021 6:35pm
- MCos
  
  Sure there’s a minimum wages, but if you’re working on commission that can go out the window.
  Plus there is no control over other aspects around cost of accommodation, quarantine, travel
  
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  May 18, 2021 7:56pm

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