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greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360716927/ian-taylor-seymours-rise-second-seat-power-far-beyond-his-mandate

What a filthy piece of writing.

Taylor is as much a maori activist as any of the Maori Party Mps, and “Stuff” is taking delight in publishing this hit-piece.

“Failures that see thousands of children in Aotearoa living below the poverty line. Children going to school hungry, or not going at all. Children sleeping in cars, or with grandparents forced to choose between heating their bedrooms or cooking food. Reports of some as young as eleven, living homeless in the streets.” – Taylor writes this emotive scenario as if Seymour is responsible for it, quite forgetting that the previous govt had promised to fix all these problems. And in some cases caused them.
Where was Taylor then ?
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June 10, 2025 8:01am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Taylor is just another climate change alarmist like our PM. I am looking forward to Fieldays on Thursday.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:17am
- Taieri
  
  “Failures that see thousands of children in Aotearoa living below the poverty line. Children going to school hungry, or not going at all. Children sleeping in cars, or with grandparents forced to choose between heating their bedrooms or cooking food. Reports of some as young as eleven, living homeless in the streets.”
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  This is just another bout of a hysterical drivel. With all his considerable influence, what has Taylor ever done to alleviate all these hardships he claims exist en masse?
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Why then are so many New Zealand children seem to be obese ?
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:04am
  - RoboRob
    
    Where was Taylor when childrens outcomes got substantially worse under the previous minister for children. I think he had her number on speed dial too.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:34am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Taylor exemplifies the increasing bitterness and deceit of the left. He lies by omission and by selective judgements, and manages to be nasty all at the same time.
  
  He manages by manipulation to criminalise MMP for Seymour becoming Deputy PM yet he is a supporter of the very system that also got Te Pati Māori into Parliament.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:18am
- pdm
  
  Seymour with 8.6% is considered not eligible to be Deputy Prime Minister by Taylor,
  
  Peters with under 7% is deemed okay by inference or omission of any comment..
  
  Taylor has had a double dose of the lefty koolaid I think.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:20am
  - mandk
    
    The Left don’t want to criticise Peters.
    
    They are hoping that they will be able to persuade him to shaft National and the plurality of voters again.
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:42am
    - waikatosinger
      
      I will not vote for NZ1st so long as this is a possibility. Another left wing government right now would be catastrophic. We still havn’t cleaned up Jacinda’s mess.
      
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      June 10, 2025 3:24pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The guy is a cynical left wing activist.
  Ms Ardern and her incompetent government stuffed up.
  They will never take any responsibility for their actions.
  No left wing government or their supporters ever will.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Mandates ?
  
  Maori party 6 seats off the back of just over 100k electorate votes .
  
  Those seats are an abomination to democratic principles.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:28am
- Tarquin North
  
  Remind me again, who was the P.M who’s only reason for getting into politics was to alleviate child poverty? Another winner there.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:32am
- Flossie
  
  Is he trying to say this has all happened in the last eighteen months? The previous six years were all moonlight and fairy dust and everything was just wonderful?
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:32am
- Fender
  
  So we don’t read stuff at all because its loaded rubbish, generally agreed
  You do, post a link and it gets umpteen totally predictable responses which I do agree with but the question remains
  Why wind everyone up over propaganda
  Have we learned nothing or do we just like to whine and bark at passing cars
  The blog suffers because it starts to look like some of the opposite ones we all like to criticise for the welded on predictable content
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:51am
  - Cassandra
    
    All that’s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Besides, it’s good to vent occasionally.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “…do we just like to whine and bark at passing cars…”
    
    Good point. At what point do we accept that the media is in the business of propaganda and our daily outrage is their reward.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:54am
    - R
      
      ‘At what point……’we obviously haven’t come near to reaching that point yet; judging by some of the comments from apologist activists on this blog
      
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      June 10, 2025 10:47am
    - Media hater
      
      No outrage, just contempt. At least overseas, there is a range of sources for different views. In NZ, Sweet F…. All.
      
      I get my NZ news from Kiwiblog and I do not feel that I miss out on anything.
      
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      June 10, 2025 12:10pm
- James Stephenson
  
  That piece is a whole farmyard’s worth of strawmen. Any honest appraisal of data, such as life expectancy at birth, completely backs Seymour’s contention that we’ve never had it so good.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s that leftie Taylor, why was he silent when Peters was deputy pm, I could just about suggest the fact he voted right last time that he voted, I bet he voted Peters
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:49am
- John Loveridge
  
  I must have asked this a hundred times by now. All these children who go to school hungry – what do they eat during the holidays, or on teachers-only days?
  
  My daughter’s high school scheduled a very suspicious teachers-only day on the Friday of the King’s Birthday Weekend. Was their extra-long weekend more important than the starving children?
  
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  June 10, 2025 11:28am
- Ra Henare
  
  Another sad example of someone who has been successful in business, thinking that their political opinion(with all its misinformation) matters.
  
  Yes he is a Maori activist, nothing wrong with that.
  
  But understandably, the hit job on Seymour(I suspect more to come) by the lefty media.
  
  Will we see a rebuttal piece in Stuff (balanced journalism and all that) . To refer back to my favourate TV piece from the Castle.
  “Tell him hes joking””
  
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  June 10, 2025 3:02pm
Simon

Only a few days ago it seems TDS were delirious over Trump v Musk. Trump disposes of Musk with ease in under 24 hrs. TDS loses yet again but its in the name.

Poor hysterical TDS losers for at least 10 yrs. Only another 4 yrs to go. Sad!
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June 10, 2025 8:02am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Looks like WelTec / Whitireia is gong down the tubes. They spent a fortune on fitting out a fancy campus on Cuba St. Falling student numbers, especially internationals, have stuffed their budget. Who knew Polytech management could be so incompetent.

The deregulation of the NZ tertiary education sector has been a disaster.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/563606/weltec-and-whitireia-students-and-staff-in-limbo-over-proposed-closure
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June 10, 2025 8:11am
- Mike
  
  Faux competition has done great damage to tertiary education.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:09am
  - RoboRob
    
    Attempting to merge them into a single entity didn’t do anything to help them either did it. Same as merging health NZ in the middle of a pandemic. It looked like the government is doing something and that was all that counted under the previous clowns.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:38am
  - rouppe
    
    WelTec / Whitireia isn’t tertiary.
    
    In name it is, but it’s a fake designation, like Honorary Doctorates
    
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    June 10, 2025 2:13pm
- pdm
  
  Bollocks my interpretation of what Minister Penny Simmonds said about Polytechs at QT one day last week is that Hipkins, Tinetti and others involved in the te pukenga amalgamation stuff up left a debt riddled mess. Wellington Polytechs would be no exceptions.
  
  No change from their handling of everything else I suppose.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:26am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes, but W3’s problems go back much further than the Te Pukenga centralisation catastrophe. As Mike says, the model that permitted Polytechs to compete with each other outside of their traditional areas led to Massey acquiring the old Wgtn Poly & then eviscerating it started the rot locally. Encouraging Polytechs to bring in overseas students, often for low value cert-level qualifications, just built the bubble that underpins decades of rampant immigration of people offering little of worth to NZ. Those chickens are coming home to roost.
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:12am
  - AitchW
    
    Every day there is more evidence, another example, more consequences, of the unbelieveably incompetent Labour government led by Ardern and Hipkins.
    Yet, according to the polls, roughly a third of voters would vote for them again!
    Mind you one in ten would vote for the Greens.
    God defend New Zealand…. Cos our lefty politicans sure as hell wouldn’t!!!
    
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    June 10, 2025 12:09pm
- mandk
  
  Deregulation?
  
  Te Pukenga was the exact opposite.
  
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  June 10, 2025 10:45am
Cassandra

Auckland is getting a new rail system. In theory it’s a beaut – fast rail, stations in the right places, lots of capacity. Worth every penny of the billions it’s costing. In practice there’s a problem. A key station is Mt Eden (now renamed Maungawhau). You can’t get to the station by bus. The nearest bus stop is 250 metres away. You can’t drop anyone off from your private car. Your passenger will have get out of the car 250 metres away. Bike access is good. It rains a lot in Auckland. Auckland Transport has said that it’s considering a feeder bus system. Considering? The rail system has been under construction for 10 years! Mayor Brown is considering sacking the Board and management of Auckland Transport I imagine.
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June 10, 2025 8:12am
- greybeard
  
  You are so right.
  I sent this email to Hosking and Ryan Bridge on 6th June:
  “ANOTHER infrastructure cockup in NZ: why is it only now that the deficiencies of this new station are being discussed ?
  Surely the connections to other modes of transport should have been a top priority?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360714090/wayne-brown-very-disappointed-over-access-aucklands-new-maungawhau-station-station
  How about publishing the names and companies of these designers and engineers ?”
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:32am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Where’s Maungawhau? Has a new inner city suburb been created?
    
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    June 10, 2025 8:51am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Sounds like some place 100 kms. north of Auckland.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:14am
- Fender
  
  To be fair overseas Ive walked alot further to access a train , often underground though, some of the exits are street blocks apart
  Sydney circular key as a small example, 250m is acceptable
  Airports are another auckland airport bus is way more than 250m from our rural gates indoors.
  As long as its covered for rain is it really the end of the world, seems a little molehile for 250m
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:59am
  - Cassandra
    
    It’s not covered and it’s dopey to have no drop off. Have a look at a map.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:52am
  - kiwimike
    
    Fender
    you miss the point.
    This has been in design and planning over 10yrs.
    It is not on the ground as existing !!!
    Duh!
    
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    June 11, 2025 6:52am
- Eastlander
  
  Cyclists can never forgiven for the damage they have caused this country, nor accepted and trusted as responsible citizens.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:19am
  - imalwaysright
    
    East,
    To be fair to cyclists, I haven’t seen any pressure groups of cycle clubs or individuals who have campaigned for the cycle lane cancer that chokes our cities.
    I remember the old days when a small sign saying “beware of cyclists” sufficed.
    
    It has been lefty politicians who want to frustrate drivers, businesses, and general citizens, who have caused this.
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:04am
    - Eastlander
      
      I’d like to be fair but I’ve seen too many cyclists with Wellington Regional Council backpacks.
      
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      June 10, 2025 1:47pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I think GRWC gave away (thank you, ratepayers) a bunch of reflective green daybag waterproof covers.
        
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        June 10, 2025 7:55pm
    - Groggy
      
      Bollocks, CAN: Cycling Action Network – Patrick Morgan and other losers have been a huge activist campaigner in ruining our streets.
      
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      June 10, 2025 5:48pm
    - kiwimike
      
      Imalwaysright
      Absolutely Rubbish
      Wellington has The Cycling NetWork run by Patrick Morgan ……
      They have fckd Wellington with the Greenie WCC officers and woke councillors
      
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      June 11, 2025 6:53am
- RoboRob
  
  Reminds me of Brittomart. Build a bus and train hub but dont give it enough room so all the buses can stop there. So instead have some buses run from the top end of Queen street, a 1-2km walk up hill.
  
  Genious.
  
  I’ll also add he Christchurch womans hospital rebuild, replacing the 100yr out hospital with a nice brand new one with exactly the same number of beds as the old hospital. Don’t worry the Christchurch population hasnt grown in the last 100years.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:42am
Cassandra

Jacinda Ardern’s book.

Jacinda re David Cunliffe: You had to, she said (probably in tears), question his authenticity.

Mike Hosking: Are you serious? Authenticity? From Jacinda Markle? The only bit of marketing that seems to have been missed along with the hand-wringing interviews on Radio New Zealand and TVNZ is some Ardern jam or cake recipes.

Note that the book is reviewed this morning in The Times (by former Act leader Jamie Whyte). Despite all the mockery – richly deserved IMHO – she is getting a lot of attention. At $10 a copy royalties she’ll become a wealthy socialist.
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June 10, 2025 8:17am
- Simon
  
  Many in National thought Ardern was a super star and promoted her as such. Up until at least 2020 election. Probably until the Aug 2021 Auckland lock downs.
  
  Mike Hosking on the other hand always thought she was a fraud. Hosking did a much better job on Ardern than the entire useless National party who had the paid job of holding Ardern to account.
  
  Ardern greatly harmed NZ on National’s watch. But National so admired her.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:31am
  - Flossie
    
    Did they?
    Recollections may vary.
    
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    June 10, 2025 8:59am
    - RoboRob
      
      A large number of National voters migrated to labour during Covid. Labour went from ~45% of the vote to grabbing a huge 52%. These National voters, mostly woman, believed in Jacinda and womans power.
      
      Ironic as she was not the first female PM and definately the worst of the bunch.
      
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      June 10, 2025 9:45am
      - Flossie
        
        The inference is that the National Party were supporters. Not that some previous National voters did.
        
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        June 10, 2025 10:42am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Labour at 45%? not what I remember, the last poll before lock down had Labour low 30s, that very poll had Nats and Act at more than 61 seats, for the first time Act were at 2 seats, sadly covid lock down created Stockholm syndrome, if there was no covid, Ardern would have been out on her arse
        
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        June 10, 2025 11:50am
      - Paulus
        
        And many women still are firmly in favour of Woman Power as is still prominent in the Wellington Public Service at top levels, with no appreciale changes envisaged, or huge salaries, that is their right.
        
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        June 10, 2025 12:07pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @G
        
        You are right, I meant 35%. labour was NEVER in the mid 40s, except during the pandemic.
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:15pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Recollections call zBS on his statement
      
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      June 10, 2025 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Did not some 52% of voters gave her a majority – never been heard of in New Zealand.
    We got the Government the voters wanted, didn’t they ?
    I would, and never, voted for her.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    They’re playing the “I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine” game.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    When the tell was they? Nikki Kay gave her an absolute serve of never even put a bill up in the house in 9 years, ( Kaye is the MP Ardern was rubbishing after giving her a bollocking in the house, she never mentioned names) can you provide any evidence any mp raved how hot Ardern was, because I remember her being rubbished as a total failure right from tge beginning
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:54am
  - R
    
    Ardern had no influence on Nationals watch. They have been left with the task of undoing the Ardern damage.
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:00am
- cmm
  
  “At $10 a copy royalties she’ll become a wealthy socialist.”
  
  $5000 isn’t as much money as it used to be.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:31am
  - Cassandra
    
    She got an advance of $1.5 million.
    
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    June 10, 2025 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      I doubt very much they will sell 150k copies.
      
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      June 10, 2025 8:50am
      - nova
        
        It’s unusual for an advance to be repayable. The impact to Ardern would be her ability to get such a large advance for a subsequent book. But I haven’t heard what Jacinda is doing with the $30 million dollars that Melinda gave her. Maybe she is planning to purchase some inspirational books to empower women?
        
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        June 10, 2025 9:08am
      - Paulus
        
        All the Public Libraries and many Colleges will buy a copy – as the Chief Librarians would tell us it is their interest to educate the children, via such as the College Libraries, as is surrepticiously happening. .
        
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        June 10, 2025 9:11am
      - cmm
        
        Giving $1.5M for a book unlikely to generate even a quarter of that in revenue smells a bit like money laundering.
        
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        June 10, 2025 9:39am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I think it is being sold in the states and probably Aussie where the luvvies love her
        
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        June 10, 2025 9:56am
- AitchW
  
  She’ll get at least $20….
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:02am
- James Stephenson
  
  Of course. Under capitalism, the rich become powerful. Under socialism, the powerful become rich.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:23am
- cas
  
  My library had just got the book in this morning and, as I read a lot of non fiction and biographies, offered it to me. I had great pleasure in turning them down and suggesting my reasons. I should have told them it was fiction.
  
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  June 10, 2025 11:29am
- Ra Henare
  
  Apparently sales need to reach 700,000? plus to cover her advance of 1.5 mill.
  
  I dont know about book publishing and whether those numbers are realistic.
  
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  June 10, 2025 3:13pm
Simon

Sure everyone is pointing out how feckless and useless Luxon is. But so was John Key. The National party clown show has always been a clown show. The difference between Key & Luxon is NZ is that much more gone.

NZ is losing the ability to carry the National party. This process will continue.
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June 10, 2025 8:18am
Sparrow

New Zealand today. More and more people taking their money out of their kiwisaver accounts just to survive. Whilst about 120 rich lister families keep getting richer and richer more becoming billionaires by producing fa for NZ. That’s our country today. Congratulations to all our politicians who frankly don’t care a shit about most kiwis, don’t complain about Māori trying to get their fair share. An elite of lobbyists, consultants are ruling this country. Forget about left or right. Bryce Edwards lays out the grim reality.
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June 10, 2025 8:21am
- Taieri
  
  More and more people taking their money out of their kiwisaver accounts just to survive
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  How many? Can you quote any numbers?
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:03am
  - Sparrow
    
    Yes from ANZ bank. You check it out. Its not some left wing conspiracy it’s the real world.
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:24am
  - Sparrow
    
    Further to my earlier text. The 1pm news stated that 44,000 people had drawn down from their kiwisaver accounts in the last 10 months. Info came I think from the IRD or other government department. This was for emergency reasons. This is the real f….world for many kiwis of all colours, and it is not solely due to the last incompetent government. Governments have made it easier to become rich and richer in non productive areas, MPs have had their trunks in the same trough. A simple fact in early 70s average house price 3 times the average salary. Today 11 times. Open your eyes to the real world for most people.
    
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    June 10, 2025 1:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yep, my anecdotal observations based on reports from friends and family would appear to support this. There was someone with a (severe) axe to grind against NZ who had a site going called e2nz or something similar. The theme was basically “ripoff NZ” where vast segments of the population just could not get ahead and ended up leaving the country. The site censored feedback that cast NZ in a positive light, which was juvenile, YET there WAS a lot of truth in many of the accounts posted.
      
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      June 10, 2025 8:56pm
- James Stephenson
  
  The current cost of living crisis is a direct result of the money-printing madness that Robertson and Orr indulged in. People whose wealth is in real stuff like company shares and property look like they’re doing well as the value of the $$ in our bank accounts is undermined.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:27am
  - RoboRob
    
    100% true. Without the insane money printing we would have had lower interest rates and not had to send the economy into recession. The last 2+years econcomy is a direct result of Orrs incompetance and Labours spend up.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:49am
    - Jack5
      
      The Robertson-Orr money printing financed the Covid shutdown in NZ.
      
      Proportionately, did the shutdown save more lives than Sweden did as Swedes worked on as normal?
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:53am
      - RoboRob
        
        There are two parts to the printing machine. The Covid support, which you could argue was required and the ‘splurge’. That was when GR took money set aside for Covid and used it to fund other things and Orr kept printing stimulus money even when it was obvious the economy didn’t need stimulus.
        
        My issue is primarily with the latter 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:18pm
    - Paulus
      
      We are continually having to pay back the loan debts that Ardern, Robertson and Orr incurred on our behalf, and that cannot be done in a short time.
      
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      June 10, 2025 12:10pm
    - mogg
      
      It also caused the inflationary storm,
      
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      June 10, 2025 3:36pm
- RichardF
  
  If we just take all the money from the Mowbreys and Harts and distribute it to the country no one would need kiwi saver hardship! For a few months.
  
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  June 10, 2025 12:07pm
- rouppe
  
  don’t complain about Māori trying to get their fair share.
  
  What does that mean? What is “their fair share” as opposed to “my fair share”?
  
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  June 10, 2025 2:19pm
- Ghost
  
  You mean those wealthy people who have created jobs for people, giving them an income. Those wealthy people who give substantial money to charities. They actually do more for this country and the growth of this counter than the people who whinge about them
  
  I guess you are going to meet this donation, since you think he does bugger all for this country
  
  Graeme Hart donates more than $6 million to Starship’s Paediatric Intensive Care Unit
  
  Stephen Tindall also gives a lot to charity. But hey, I’m sure you will match all they do with their jobs they create, the donations to charity.
  
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  June 10, 2025 2:31pm
- Ra Henare
  
  I am surviving well in Cambodia. Warm weather, sunny days. Buggar all inflation (saw a local restaurant menu board I had photoed in 2019. Prices same today.
  
  My rent is actually less than today than 2019.
  
  Yes there is inflation.
  My baked beans went from $1.25 a can in 2019 to $1.95 a can today. (Pommie baked beans).
  
  Local bacon is the same price as 2019 but am advised prices will increase soon.
  
  PS. No money printing here, or pandering government throwing money around for “”you poor thing”” groups.
  
  Kiwis voted for free stuff and this was the result.
  And you all think Democracy is a good thing..ha bloody ha.
  
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  June 10, 2025 3:20pm
Conservatarian

I haven’t seen any corporate media today, but can we have an update on the mostly peaceful riots in LA?

You know, the one where Mexican flags are flying so that the criminal aliens don’t have to be deported back to Mexico.

You know, the one where the pro-criminal alien and anti-ICE communist rioters are just engaging in peaceful car burnings as a matter of their right to protest.

You know, the one “forced on” these good people by Evil Orange Man and his jackbooted thugs Stephen Miller and Tom Homan and Kristy Noem.

You know, the one being cheered on by local politicians and Team Blue national politicians.
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June 10, 2025 8:28am
- imalwaysright
  
  Here’s a 3 min vid of the riots and the coverage.
  
  ABC reporter described it as “…just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn…”
  
  https://youtu.be/p810ZWTwS4c?si=ip_YAvMANz5Xeujl
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:02am
- cmm
  
  Nor the “peaceful celebrations over a football win” in Paris.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:14am
- RoboRob
  
  What I really cant understand is people protesting the removal of people who illegally sneaked into their country.
  
  I dont give a fuck if they are nice and are working as a waiter or cheff in a restaurant. If they illegally entered the country they can fuck right off and one of my kids or someone else can take the job. I believe unemployment and homelessness exists right?
  
  The Dems have done such a good job brainwashing people. If you want to come to a country, fill out the paperwork and come in legally. If you dont, expect to be removed at some point at great cost to you, your family and friends. Same goes for employers, if you employ someone who is an illegal then expect them to not show up for work one day and have to deal with that.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:54am
  - AitchW
    
    I suspect that a substantial part of the problem is that they do the jobs that locals don’t want to. Not unlike here where imported labour from the Islands pick a lot of our fruit.
    You see lots of snarky comments about Mexican picking lettuces, but locals won’t do it.
    I also suspect that a lot of them may well be working for illegally low wages.
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:39am
    - Culture War Criminal
      
      “I suspect that a substantial part of the problem is that they do the jobs that locals don’t want to.”
      
      Locals will do the jobs, but not for the shit pay they are offered. Illegals, on the other hand, will work for a relative pittance and the taxpayer will top them up with cheap (perhaps free) housing and other benefits.
      
      Capitalism, not Socialism, drives replacement migration (i.e. the free flow of limitless labour across borders).
      
      Big Business alway gets what it wants, and it wants illegal immigrants to work cheaply, for the same reason they outsiurce to India gor the effective slave labour thry can tap into. They could close the border off and deport the millions of illegals if there was a political will, but Big Business won’t allow it and Congress will always do their bidding.
      
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      June 10, 2025 1:41pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Interesting comment there, Culture.
        
        So you dont shop for products based on price?
        Ie you want a new TV. Do you buy the most expensive? or do you shop around.
        
        Business is the same. (Not only big business, which lobby governments). We shop around for price competitive sources.
        
        Some years ago we were printing our annual colour glossy catalogue in Auckland.
        
        Then we discovered that for a third of the price, better quality and faster turnaround. We could source the catalogues from Hong Kong.
        
        Thanks to high speed Internet and convenient airfreight this was a no-brainer. (By the way. The cost of the airfreight was minimal and including airfreight, including samples before final production) still gave us catalogues in a few days and less than 50% of cost of production in NZ.
        
        Yep, we continued from then to source our of Hong Kong.
        
        Same scenario of many A merry Cans sourcing product from China.
        
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        June 10, 2025 3:31pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      In the West, we allow the locals low on the socio-economic ladder to default onto welfare. Some of those same lowly locals compete with imported unskilled labour from the third world. Both those groups of people have their lunch cut by illegals (I understand illegals are not a significant issue in NZ).
      
      And this is just the economic problem. What about the social issues i.e. the corollary to the incessant need for “GDP go up”?
      
      What’s the social cost when imports congregate and take over a suburb or town, get treated as more virtuous than the locals, get pandered to by the state, or more rarely when an import commits a rape or murder, or riots as part of an attempt to prop up this failing system.
      
      Globalism will not fix our problems. The Bidenwave hasn’t made the US better. The Boriswave hasn’t made the UK better.
      
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      June 10, 2025 1:59pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Looking around the world regarding immigration.
        Those who have problems seem to have two major signals.
        a) Mass migration
        b) Allowing Ghettos.
        
        Verses the successful countries.
        a) Selected Migration.
        b) Assimilation
        
        Maybe NZ could learn from Singapore instead of pandering to groups of maybe voters.
        
        Looking at Singapore, one could argue a success story. The ruling party has won each election since 1959. In 2025 their number of seats dropped to 87%.
        Ie stability of government, combined with their ethic of racial harmony is deeply embedded in its legal framework, institutional structures, and cultural practices, ie No Maori special people equivalents for the original Malay.
        
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        June 10, 2025 3:49pm
  - rouppe
    
    What I would have done is as well as scooping up illegal aliens who have committed crimes or are gang members, institute a pathway to gain citizenship for undocumented migrants who have been here 10 years or more (or some other number) and never been in trouble.
    
    You then get to keep the workers doing those jobs, improve your tax base (no longer working under the table), take the Democrat narrative off the table, while ejecting the actual worst of the worst
    
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    June 10, 2025 2:28pm
    - RoboRob
      
      That is the Dem plan. You bring in the illegals, milk them for a decade, then make them legal and bam, more dem voters.
      
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      June 10, 2025 3:26pm
- Lance
  
  The USA is about to go down a dark road that will be difficult to come back from. It appears the worst predictions that commentators were warning about (and being scoffed at) are coming to pass.
  Doing this for cheap political point scoring is evil.
  
  You couldn’t have made this up a few years ago.
  
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  June 10, 2025 10:34am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Exactly who is “[d]oing this for cheap political point scoring”?
    
    Please expand.
    
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    June 10, 2025 1:25pm
    - Lance
      
      There is an age old political trick being played here.
      There are illegals and I have no problem with them being removed in a fair manner.
      The problem is while the governor is allowing this to happen (despite the lies to the contrary), ICE are provoking the community by the way they are conducting this. ICE have always been removing people, but they have been instructed to escalate their activities dramatically.
      This has created strong ill will and protests have resulted (rightly or wrongly).
      The governor says he has this is hand, Trump spouts forth he has not and against the governor’s wishes he sends in the National Guard. This is to show that Trump is in charge.
      This enflames tensions dramatically so now he is completely illegally sending the Marines FFS.
      The Marines are trained only to kill, they don’t learn civilian crowd / riot management.
      This is the fascist playbook (as I have said many times before) and is a recipe for disaster.
      Trump is doing this to show off to his fan base and to make his military parade more symbolic.
      My prediction is he will arrest political opponents next under escalated emergency powers. Then the USA is in full fascist takeover.
      Once I thought this progression into fascism in the context of the USA was theoretical only and fantasy, but the progression down this path has been relentless.
      
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      June 10, 2025 2:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        Sure Lance…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk
        Good parroting of Dem talking points though.
        
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        June 10, 2025 3:45pm
      - Lance
        
        It’s called history Red.. you should try reading about historical facist takeovers and how they all follow the same progression.
        But hey, do keep ‘parroting’ Trump talking points 😉
        
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        June 10, 2025 3:49pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        [Mod – debate without the abuse]
        
        When you say “Trump is doing this to show off to his fan base” you must mean the 70-odd million people who voted him into the Presidency? Those ordinary people? The centrist suburban mums just wanting safety?
        
        It used to be four border states affected by illegals. Now every city in the US is affected by the Biden wave of illegals. The public is, and has always been, against ANY illegal immigration and is overwhelmingly against mass uncontrolled migration. Finally a politician is using the levers of state available to him to crack down on (and not facilitate) criminal aliens.
        
        One of his key planks was to STOP criminal alien immigration completely (he has reduced criminal aliens almost completely). Another of his key planks is to deport as many criminal aliens as he can get his hands on. Hopefully he can deport every murderer and rapist and then start on the garden variety criminal alien.
        The public has voted these criminal aliens OUT and Trump is obliging. Thank God for Trump, who has the temerity to listen to his voters who just want the law enforced and their cities back.
        
        California and LA are falling apart thanks to a generation of incompetent one party rule. Only five months ago their appalling fire management was the crisis du jour, now their latest crisis is unfolding.
        
        That state needs saving from itself. If Trump didn’t actually care about California, he would immediately invite criminal aliens to move to Californian cities to hasten their demise into colonies of Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala etc.
        
        The optics of the Mexican flag-waving pro-criminal alien riots and car burnings are playing out SUPERBLY for Trump and Republicans at large.
        
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        June 10, 2025 4:22pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        Once you get past the criminals murderers pedophiles and gangbangers you still have the problem of millions of more ordinary illegals. Trump promised to deport them all and he is going to do his best to make that happen. But the only way to deal with that many is through self deportation which means cracking down on those who employ illegals and making them feel so unwelcome that they leave of their own accord.
        
        Illegals are the slave labour of the modern era. I guess that is why the Democrats like them so much.
        
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        June 10, 2025 6:16pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      There’s also the fact the illegal immigrants are counted in the census, which is why California loves them as it enables them to retain the number of seats they have in Congress – or at least slow the loss.
      
      California’s seats plateaued with 53 in 2000, and 2010, for the first since the State joined the Union, and it was obvious that the plateau would turn into a decline with the loss of millions of the middle class. So it was after the 2020 census that lost them a seat, and they’re on target to lose 4-5 after 2030.
      
      So, even when illegals don’t vote they’re helping the Democrats hang on to power: the nationwide estimate I’ve seen is that they’d be down by 13-15 seats in Congress if the census didn’t count illegals (the GOP has a majority smaller than that right now – that’s how slim the margins of power are). This is why the Democrats fought like hell against the census recording citizenship when Trump proposed that in his first term.
      
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      June 10, 2025 3:27pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        House seats I mean. There’s also the two Senate seats.
        
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        June 10, 2025 3:36pm
  - cmm
    
    ” Doing this for cheap political point scoring is evil.”
    
    Who is doing the cheap political point scoring? Turning a blind eye to illegal migration is not just problematic in creating an underclass. It also creates situations where these people are extremely vulnerable to exploitation (kinda like our situation with Indians here, except many times worse).
    
    Anyone going from Mexico to USA is getting a bloody good deal even if they are only paid $5 an hour. $5 might suck to an American, but when you throw in all the other benefits (schooling, escaping Mexican crime and gangs, etc etc) then that $5 an hour is a bloody good deal – which is why millions have made the trip and continue to do so.
    
    My son is currently working in Mexico and he’s even in a nice area – Cancun. It is a shit hole. They are constantly keeping a very low profile because they are concerned that if the gangs detect potentially wealthy gringos then they will get robbed violently. It is no wonder that people want to leave. I would.
    
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    June 10, 2025 2:07pm
sirknz

Who knew that spending up to 5 hours a day watching movies in your car when you’re supposed to be working was a sackable offence?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360717225/sacked-security-guard-spent-five-hours-watching-movies-car-while-working

“We should probably bring in more folks like him from the subcontinent. Let’s bring in their elderly parents on a 10 year visa too.”
– National Party
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June 10, 2025 8:31am
- Cassandra
  
  This is interesting. My experience of employment matters is that the employer is inevitably wrong. Great to see a judgement like this.
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:52am
- MCōs
  
  Extremely disingenuous comment
  There’s no way the a security guard is going to fit the criteria required to sponsor their parents.
  https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/news-centre/new-parent-boost-visitor-visa-to-strengthen-family-connections/
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:12am
  - cmm
    
    Do you think we’re only going to get their doctors and engineers?
    
    NZ is, at best, a second-tier destination. USA and Canada are going to get the cream of the crop.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:46am
    - MCōs
      
      My point is that a security guard or similar on little more than minimum wage is going to be well short to meet the requirements for those visas
      
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      June 10, 2025 10:20am
      - cmm
        
        It depends… If mum and dad pay for themselves then junior doesn’t have to sponsor them.
        
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        June 10, 2025 10:30am
      - Paulus
        
        Suppose the money needed for family reunions can be borrowed from friendly “supporters”, and will be paid back over the years in corruption, in so doing.
        There must be a full investigation where these new immigrants will get their money.
        Happens in other countries so will not be new here.
        
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        June 10, 2025 12:14pm
      - rouppe
        
        He wasn’t a “security guard”. He was a “shift manager”. That would not be a minimum wage job.
        
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        June 10, 2025 2:41pm
    - kowtow
      
      USA , Canada , Britain , Oz ahead of us.
      
      And once the ones come here get their papers , it’s off to Oz we go .
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:06am
    - Conservatarian
      
      You could have added the UK to this list about 10-15 years ago but there is no way a skilled Indian wants to move to a once-proud country colonised by Islamists.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:26am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Interesting.
    Immigration believes NZ Super is $1254 gross Fortnight.
    Work and income give $1905???
    
    Couple, both qualified.
    
    Mmmmmmmm
    
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    June 10, 2025 4:18pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Re: your post below snout these people being allowed to buy a house, no they can not, Peter’s set the law when u. Government with Labour, foreigners are. It s as lowed to buy an existing house, it does not say they can’t buy a house, because it’s s as ready impossible to buy a house
      
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      June 10, 2025 10:43pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  5 years, and it’s not citizenship, they won’t be able to buy a house
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:57am
  - cmm
    
    You don’t have to be a citizen to buy a house.
    
    … and once they’re here and granny is in a wheelchair with an oxygen bottle and a drip do you really think Luxon is going to wheel her onto a plane to Mumbai?
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:32am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes, thats the issue. I said it yesterday. When these people are sick and without insurance what are we going to do? Ship them out of fix them?
      
      As I said yesterday, immigration NZ is totally broken and wont be monitoring the time in the country, insurance status etc.
      
      The recent Indian in Ak is a great example. Illegally in the coutnry his whole life and attending a public school the whole time yet not detected.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:37am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Immigration can easily monitor time in country.
        
        Its a thing called a computer system,
        Every time you enter or leave the country, it is recorded with details such as Date & time of event.
        Passport number, flight, even the channel you arrived/left thru.
        
        Anyone can ask the queenstown office of customs for their personal arrivals/departures details.
        
        This system is used by the Super guys when evaluating your super application and specifically when you are asking for permanent Super payments overseas.
        
        So no problem having an automated bot which kicks out lists/details of overstayers.
        I suspect that under this visa insurance details would similarly be captured IE when insurance expires.
        
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        June 10, 2025 4:29pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Foreigners cannot buy a house, unless its built brand new, but this policy is 5 years, not 10 years as you said
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:52am
      - RoboRob
        
        If they are going to allow parents in, then likely they will need to change that law. It would be ‘unfair’ on the parents to prevent them buying a house when they are legally allowed to live here wouldn’t it?
        
        You see the slippery slope this policy puts us on.
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        The parent visa is more of an extended tourist visa. The only slippery slope is the one people are making up in their attempts to panic and find issues with this. They need two medical checks to come here, including chest X-rays. They have to leave the country in year 3 to repeat the medical checks. They or their child has to be able to fund their stay here. They have to have private health insurance.
        
        Currently parents and grandparents can visit here for a 18 months in a 3 year period, 6 months at a time. None of what you people are making up has happened with them.
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:28pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Note that the Visa application requires the sponsor to provide, pay for accommodation.
        Nothing to stop the sponsor buying a house.
        
        You guys are hysterically funny with your kneejerk reactions.
        
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        June 10, 2025 4:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Bringing parents in is an act national coalition agreement. And no this persons parents won’t be coming in, won’t be earning enough to sponsor a parent if he is an immigrant
  
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  June 10, 2025 10:17am
  - RoboRob
    
    Is it? If it is so what? Just becuase its in their agreement doesn’t mean its a good idea. Lots of these things look fine in theory but in practice its different.
    
    IF we had an immigration system that worked and hospitals that weren’t already overburdened maybe we consider it. But we dont so we shouldn’t.
    
    The only reason for this policy seems to be around attacting the kids in the first place. Does mum and dad having to fly to visit in England or Australia stop NZ kids for moving there?
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:42am
    - Ghost
      
      If it is so what? If people want to whinge this is just a national plan then they are wrong.. I kn0w, easier to just blame national, huh
      
      They have to have private health insurance so if by chance they need treatment it will be privately.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:47am
      - RoboRob
        
        I am complaining abuot he policy, not National. I have no idea whos policy it initially was.
        
        They will have health insurance when they arrive. They can cancel at any time and who will monitor it? The hapless departement of immigration?
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        they have to maintain that insurance for the period of their stay or their visa is revoked and they’re deported. I’d expect immigration continue doing the checks they do now with people. Just as we’ve seen recently with one family complaining that their visa for their sick child won’t be approved
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:41pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Their private insurance must be paid up for 12 months
      
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      June 10, 2025 10:45pm
Inandout

Maori tourism here but I can’t find if their funding comes from the taxpayer or the huge Maori settlement funds?
https://maoritourism.co.nz/
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June 10, 2025 8:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  NGA Tahu one the biggest tourism business in the country, they built their settlement money up and yes you could say it was tax payer funded, but it was not a joint venture tax payer funded 50/69 or anything like that, they used their own money e
  
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  June 10, 2025 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    A tourism “business” that pays all the taxes that other charities do ……..
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:07am
    - RoboRob
      
      Damned good point. Whilst there are succesful Maori businesses, many are not paying tax. Thats not a level playing field. Neither are rules that give Maori first option on land purchases.
      
      If your are non Maori business competing you are faced with an opponent who pays no tax and has additional rights to you.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Real Journeys will be paying full tax
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:54am
  - rouppe
    
    It is taxpayer funded if the business does not pay tax.
    
    Remember the Greens calling interest deductibility a tax cut for landlords? They should be viewing tax free status as worse
    
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    June 10, 2025 2:44pm
- RoboRob
  
  Good news (not). Maori Tourism appears to be a government funded agency.
  
  ‘New Zealand Māori Tourism is an independent incorporated society that promotes, helps and leads the Māori tourism sector to:
  
  create rich cultural visitor experiences
  play a leading role in how visitors experience our country and Māori culture
  build commercial and cultural skills and leadership among Māori tourism operators
  contribute to New Zealand’s economy.
  ‘
  
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/immigration-and-tourism/tourism/tourism-projects/supporting-maori-tourism
  
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  June 10, 2025 1:30pm
Yvette

How New Zealanders Came to Worship Their Own Submission (loss of ‘mana’)
Today’s New Zealanders are not obliged to carry the Crown’s burdens of 1840. They are not required to become fluent in a language they did not grow up with. They are not morally bound to adopt the customs of tribes to which they do not belong. They are, however, responsible for creating a society where everyone’s dignity is protected by law, not performance.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/zoran-rakovic-the-altar-of-atonement-how-new-zealanders-came-to-worship-their-own-submission

A question for today …
So, How Did New Zealanders Come to Worship Their Own Submission (loss of ‘mana’)?
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June 10, 2025 8:44am
cmm

On the weekend I was reading about The Troubles in Ireland. What stood out to me was how few people were actually involved in the IRA.

Various estimates are that the total number of people involved in the Provisional IRA (mostly in support roles) were less than 10,000 and that the number of actual trigger men was never over 100 at a time.

The amounts of arms involved was also very low. A few large shipments were sent, from Libya and USA etc, but most of those were intercepted.

Looking at these events begs the question: could the same happen here? If not, why not?

It seems to me we have some parallels. Sinn Fein and TPM as political arms, the Mongrel Mob as the P-IRA.

Perhaps that is not too far fetched. Mongrel Mob is larger than the P-IRA.

Possible?
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June 10, 2025 8:46am
- Chuck Bird
  
  “Possible?”
  
  NO
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:56am
  - cmm
    
    Why not?
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:15am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Because of the government we have. It could be different if we had a Labour-led government.
      
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      June 10, 2025 12:39pm
      - rouppe
        
        That is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard.
        
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        June 10, 2025 2:54pm
- kowtow
  
  More than possible .
  
  They already call for a separate parliament and a large part of “middle NZ” seem to be sympathetic , at least the public service part .
  
  The education sector ( amonst others,incl msm ) of NZ is doing its very best to delegitimise the state too .
  
  With those foundations it would be no leap to full on civil war . In fact I think we’re already in a soft one , what with the ongoing and growing activities of the race militias ie the ethnic gangs.
  
  NB what were those folk in the Urewera’s up to . It wasn’t training to do Girl Guide biscuit baking.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:12am
  - Conservatarian
    
    I was a much younger man at the time, broadly sensible but politically quite naive, a bona fide normie, but I do remember John Campbell was highly offended on behalf of the armed Uruwera separatist militia.
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:37am
    - kowtow
      
      Recall the police commissioner had to apologise for the police doing their job too!
      
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      June 10, 2025 12:44pm
- imalwaysright
  
  We were more frightened of the IRA than of the British army.
  Their anonymity was their main asset, nobody would speak against them even among friends because you didn’t know if they were connected.
  The gangs here aren’t too bright and aren’t too committed.
  Their other problem is the maori “cause” is largely contrived and baseless.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:12am
- rockape
  
  The IRA had the support of all the catholic population.Even priests were on their front line supporting their violence. When they lost the support by killing kids, the IRA faded.
  The IRA were hard to identify, Maori not so much !!
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:29am
  - Flossie
    
    Don’t know about that. I bet if you met me you wouldn’t immediately think I’m Maori.
    Can I add that there us no way I would ever support any such nonsense and believe Maori seats should be abolished. We are all New Zealanders.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:35am
  - cmm
    
    “Maori not so much”
    
    One of the basic traits of terrorist-style activity is that not everyone is involved so it is close to impossible to identify individual aggressors and eliminate them.. In a terrorism situation you don’t shoot someone because they are a certain colour or sound funny or whatever. This gives rise to the Maoist “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”.
    
    It isn’t just a them vs us conflict. That is a civil war. A civil war is a whole different level of conflict.
    
    I doubt civil war would happen in NZ – at least not for a few decades. Maybe if the Maori population gets to 40% and the grievance culture gets even more hyped than it is.
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:54am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The IRA had the support of all the catholic population.’
    
    That is very very far from the truth .
    
    An awful lot of Catholics served in the RUC ( btw more would possibly have joined from its founding had the NI state allowed , but had a deliberate policy of limiting total number to 30 % of the force) . Many of those men were the initial targets of the IRA as they knew they were the “eyes and ears” in that community .
    
    Many Catholics from NI served in HM armed services , both in NI and the rest of the UK . Loyal citizens .
    
    A number of judicial officers who were Catholic also served in NI in high office and like the loyal citizens listed above paid the highest price for their service and loyalty .
    
    Lest we forget.
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:17am
    - Eastlander
      
      Maintaining the sectarian dominance of the border reiver stock fatally undermined the British state’s goal of holding onto northern Ireland. Which is exactly what the clever unionists warned would happen as a consequence of devolving the governance of northern Ireland to Stormont and blockheads like James Craig.
      
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      June 10, 2025 2:28pm
- Eastlander
  
  Tame Iti’s terrorist training camp would have turned into that, if they hadn’t been caught and raised when they were. Granted the human element was of vastly poorer quality compared to the provisional IRA and its splinters, but if they had drawn blood a huge part of Maori society would cheered them and things would have developed from there.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:34am
  - AitchW
    
    I do wonder if his real name is Ta Walter Mitty…
    
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    June 10, 2025 12:13pm
    - Eastlander
      
      He chickened out because he got rumbled. And the suspicion that someone had talked ruined the emerging coalition of the Maori separatists and white radicals. It would have been a different story if the authorities hadn’t gotten wise to them.
      
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      June 10, 2025 1:57pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  It works the other way too, cmm, as military analyst, David Betz, recently explained in his podcast interview with Louise Perry.
  
  Transcript at the link because YouTube is not the best and some people enjoy reading more than listening, On a British Civil War.
  
  A very brief synopsis of it is that Betz’s academic specialty is counter-terrorism and his view is that in modern Britain he sees all the same factors at work that he’s studied in other countries suffering from insurgency, guerrilla and civil wars. So much so that he really does think that a civil war, fought along those lines (think The Troubles but ten-fold larger), lies in Britain’s near future.
  
  Many people have the fear that to say a thing is to bring it into existence; no doubt that I will get feedback criticising this…I’m a classic member of The Establishment. I’m a homeowner, I’m a father, all of these things. I really do not want this to occur but I also can’t look away or I can’t not see what I see, for what it’s worth. Bottom line is none of this is really controversial in terms of our understanding of reality and of how social systems function.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:54am
  - cmm
    
    Quite a few military analysts believe that France is heading towards some sort of civil war.
    
    The African “Immigrants” are running amuck. The cops are hardly even trying to control it. In a situation like this the Native French people are compelled to vigilantism to protect themselves. Once you have two armed/aggressive forces in conflict you effectively have civil war.
    
    The same could easily happen in the UK and other parts of the world.
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:40am
    - Conservatarian
      
      You are very much correct.
      
      ***PEDANT ALERT***
      
      On behalf of David Garrett, I should note the following about the term pronounced “amuck” and spelled “amok”.
      
      Per Wikipedia:
      
      “…the term originates from the Malay word “amok,” which describes a specific aggressive behavioral pattern typically associated with episodes of sudden mass assault.”
      
      I am a Malay language supremacist.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:49am
    - kowtow
      
      France has a huge problem with the Muslim Brotherhood , with separatist schools etc It’s massive and I’m not surprised our msm refuse to discuss , as they want to sleep walk the ‘west’ to its own self destruction.
      
      Very very much contrary to the so called secular principles of the Revolution that the French claim to hold so dear .
      
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      June 10, 2025 3:37pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Possible? Sure almost anything is possible, but Likely? No, I would rate the chance of a Northern Ireland type insurrection in New Zealand over the next 20 years at <5%.
  The Sin Fain / TPM and IRA/Mongrel Mob parallel may look attractive but they are very different types of organizations.
  Irish Catholic resistance to Protestant English presence in Ireland goes back centuries, literally medieval and resistance, underground and otherwise goes back just as long.
  The real problem for any real militant Maori uprising is there is no juice (or Mana) to drive it. The Mongrel Mob and associated gangs are a loose and sloppy collection of idiots and thugs. A best semi-organized criminals with no particular philosophy (how many of them exist day-to-day on some sort of government welfare?).
  TPM isn't a revolutionary racial party, they are a Western Liberal Democratic party also existing on various forms of government pay outs. They are a creation of Western Liberalism, Wellington and MMP.
  If they really believed in the Tribes, The Ancestors and the Spirits (much as the militant Irish Catholics did) then that is were they would go to for their power and inspiration. TPM just don't, they go to Western Liberal de-colonization studies.
  
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  June 10, 2025 4:55pm
Gravelroad

The other night on Te News there was a serious item about an Australian man (though lives here) who was on an overseas holiday trip and had allegedly gone missing because his friend back here couldn’t contact him.
It was all very worrying.
Turns out via update last night that the guy had lost his phone.
What was strange to me was that in the first TV story, they felt the need to consult Prime Minister Luxon about this man “going missing” and what was he going to do about it?
So if I go away on holiday and lose my phone, can I get the Prime Minister’s attention broadcast on TV news about it?
Really?
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June 10, 2025 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  Ah but what was te PM’s answer.
  
  He seems to have a very strong opinion on [Mod – just use a persons name, not sure how often you need to be told this] Greta , which has nothing to do with our multiple emergencies back here as we go down the gurgler.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:15am
- MCōs
  
  “So if I go away on holiday and lose my phone, can I get the Prime Minister’s attention broadcast on TV news about it?”
  If you’ve lost your phone how would you ring the PM to tell him you’re lost?
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:22am
  - Gravelroad
    
    In the case in question, the distraught friends of the “missing person” called the TV people to advise them of the situation.
    I assume it was the TV reporter who then sought the advice and possible intervention of the PM.
    Sooooo, if I lost my phone whilst on holiday, I would most likely just buy a new phone with which to resume my contact with friends and family.
    The Prime Minister need never know………
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:44am
    - R
      
      Gravel…….just buy a new phone; such logical initiative is not the normal response for many people. Commonsense is in short supply.
      
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      June 10, 2025 11:49am
    - Countrygirl
      
      What on earth would the media use for international news if you did anything so simple?
      
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      June 10, 2025 2:29pm
  - hookerphil
    
    You would go to a local internet cafe and log onto your Facebook Account. There you would outline your tale of wow along with two selfies.
    Within hours any decent reporter of today would have trawled through all postings of the day, immediately upon seeing this awful heart breaking story contacted Mr Luxon and bang – another Breaking News headline.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:47am
- sirknz
  
  Try as you might, you cannot hate the MSM enough. You may think it is enough today, but tomorrow they will do something that will show you that today’s effort is still not enough.
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:26am
  - MCōs
    
    I don’t see what’s odious about the media highlighting missing people in the hope that someone can help
    It happens all the time
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:54am
- imalwaysright
  
  Christopher Luxon can’t find a family of four on the outskirts of a northern town.
  
  Finding a foreigner who misplaced his phone is taking the piss.
  
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  June 10, 2025 1:36pm
Yvette

Another question for today …
Are Maori words and phrases, dropped particularly into State owned television NZTV news programmes, the verbal red road cones of the media, but differ from real red road cones in that the danger they may warn of is the cones themselves?
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June 10, 2025 9:07am
- Mike
  
  No.
  
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  June 10, 2025 10:48am
Inandout

The Babylon Bee’s satire is delicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnSe35Wd7p0
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June 10, 2025 9:33am
Notsofast

Interview, John Campbell David Seymour.
Of interest is DS early on explains he doesn’t do morning report because “a lot of the young staff are very rude” and change the interview subject with no notice.
I wonder how rude they were to Jacinda.

42 minutes

https://youtu.be/YNJjL2RMyEc?si=qnlG-npyPRHmYqr9
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June 10, 2025 9:45am
judith8409121

Following the conversation on how councils are fleecing their ratepayers – the Christchurch City Council has adopted ‘pay equity’ for librarians even though it does not meet the standard of pay equity today. So the CCC has dispersed the rate-payers money without asking rate-payers in a way that goes against the laws. The librarians must be kicking themselves – if only they had requested pay equity with surgeons, or fintech lawyers, or billionaires – the CCC would have just happily ‘found the money’ to pay them. Apparently – the story goes – that the council was able to just ‘find the money’ as money is cheap for the council – they just fleece it off hard working Christchurch residents with the proviso that if you don’t pay it they will take your house – and give it to some bunch of leftie librarians because they want more. IF the national government doesn’t stop this behaviour rate-payers are truly being used as an ATM machine for left causes
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June 10, 2025 10:04am
- Mike
  
  Why do you think raising the pay of librarians ‘goes against the laws?
  
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  June 10, 2025 10:47am
  - judith8409121
    
    because they are using a technique that has beeen gamed and then reverted. They should stop strong arming and protesting but rather take their request, as everyone else has done, to their employers. As everyone else must. This technique is that they get paid what the job in the marketplace offers – not some jealous expectation to compare to a completely different field of work. If they want to earn what others earn do that job. The technique they tried to use has been removed from the law yet the CCC is still running with a game that was stoped.
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:37am
    - Mike
      
      Nothing about this is illegal.
      
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      June 10, 2025 12:44pm
      - judith8409121
        
        your probably right – its not illegal but should be as its abhorrent. This game can be played without end, next lets pay the cleaners the same as the managers – and why not? – it just needs a flick of some leftie brain fart to claim equity and bobs your uncle – the council is now just spending rate payers money to game the system. In this example, the council is giving out money for lefty bs causes like paying librarians over the expected amount of the general requirement, this should be breaking the law. The council is expected to be responsible for the money they collect from the ratepayer – collecting it without cause and then using that money to put towards a gamed leftie reason is an obvious corruption. That example is exactly why the government should be putting in place controls to stop this type of behaviour. The ratepayer is not a cash cow or atm machine for the insanities of mad councilors or council workers.
        
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        June 10, 2025 1:47pm
      - Mike
        
        I find nothing intrinsically abhorrent in a council deciding to give its librarians a pay rise.
        
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        June 10, 2025 2:54pm
      - judith8409121
        
        its abhorrent and corrupt because there is no market forces at play – all jobs value is done with market forces. In this case rate-payers payments – forced payments – are being used for political positioning on a stupid and silly political point. Its abhorrent to waste ratepayers money – librarian pay scales, as all pay scales are, are subject to market forces not silly marxist political posturing. Rate payers are not atm machines for marsixts gaming
        
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        June 11, 2025 8:56am
- cmm
  
  Many, if not most, librarians have a Masters of Library Science or similar.
  If they demand pay equity with an MSc in Computer Science or some biotech field they will be smiling.
  
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  June 10, 2025 11:07am
  - judith8409121
    
    Masters of Library Science – if you have to add science to the title its not likely to be science
    
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    June 10, 2025 11:41am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Step 1: find a cancerous movement called feminism.
    
    Step 2: infect feminism with aggressive identity-Marxist tumours that Marxist academics call “waves”.
    
    Step 3: force women en masse into the workplace, increasing the supply of labour, and driving down the average wage. Simultaneously increase supply of low skilled workers from western universities and form the third world
    
    Step 4: invent a fake problem called “the gender wage gap” as a means to cover up the problem you created (described step 3).
    
    Step 5: invent a fake solution called “pay equity” as a means to address the problem described step 4.
    
    Step 6: hope no-once notices. Smile when the tobacco salesmen in the corporate media obediently do your bidding.
    
    Step 7: when someone notices, hysterically scream at them.
    
    Step 8: go back to drawing board.
    
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    June 10, 2025 12:17pm
- Master Mariner
  
  “The Gender Pay Gap is a Myth – Only Exists in DODGY Statistics”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0rVyBaB0hg
  
  This lays it out in a coherent manner I believe.
  
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  June 10, 2025 11:40am
  - Conservatarian
    
    [Mod – we don’t need running commentary on what people think of post votes and who they think is doing it. Debate the topics]
    
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    June 10, 2025 12:59pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    The real problem is the government inserting itself between potential employer and potential employee.
    
    Its none of their business.
    
    The government dictated minimum wage is strangling this country. Its inflation by another name.
    
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    June 10, 2025 1:44pm
cmm

Herald can’t use the R-word. The R-word is not used once in all of the Herald and Stuff articles I have read.

Protests, demonstrations, but no riots.
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June 10, 2025 11:01am
Chuck Bird

In case anyone is thinking of buying her book, read what Wishart has to say.

IAN WISHART: Jacinda’s Book: A different kind of sales trajectory?

https://centrist.nz/ian-wishart-jacindas-book-a-different-kind-of-sales-trajectory/
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June 10, 2025 11:06am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t really care what anyone says the book. I won’t be buying it, don’t care about it, don’t even care to read reviews about it. Pushing the book seems to be a thing on this blog with people who it doesn’t interest.
  
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  June 10, 2025 11:27am
- Master Mariner
  
  The real question is “Who will buy the remainder of the books” ?
  Seems like simply Money Laundering .
  It would be hard pressed Not to say that 100% of books will be sold.
  
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  June 10, 2025 11:44am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct Master
    Its her payday, as was her speaking circuit where the drogues were given tickets to stick their sorry arses on the seats in return for food and drink and to suffer the utterances of a halfwit from the country formerly known as New Zealand.
    
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    June 10, 2025 1:49pm
- Ian Boag
  
  It’s vaguely amusing that a blogsworth of keyboard warriors who loathe Jacinda can’t stop reminding each other about it. For the record I am not a great fan either.
  
  This extends to telling each other how much they dislike her book which – on principle – they will never read. I don’t really look on Ian Wishart as much of an authority about anything but there you go ….
  
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  June 10, 2025 1:06pm
- Jethrod
  
  It would be nice if I could get to see what he wrote, without getting an error message.
  Eventually found it on Facebook
  
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  June 10, 2025 4:14pm
Ghost

Another Chinese citizen is facing smuggling charges from the federal government, the third in a week, this time accused of bringing biological materials related to roundworms into the U.S. for her work at a University of Michigan laboratory.

Article

This seems to be happening too often.
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June 10, 2025 11:11am
- kiwimike
  
  Ghost
  It’s called an Intelligence operation.
  
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  June 11, 2025 7:33am
Conservatarian

It is almost like rampantly smuggling in hostile foreigners across the Southern border or via the academia-communist insurgent complex was a deliberate policy of the “Biden” regime.

Ditto for many other western nations.
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June 10, 2025 12:06pm
David Garrett

Israel will make Greta Thunberg and fellow activists on an intercepted aid boat watch footage of the Hamas October 7 2023 attack

I don’t quite know how they will “make” Little Greta and her mates watch the video…She will just close her eyes, literally and figuratively. I doubt the Israelis will go so far as taping her eyes open.
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June 10, 2025 12:18pm
- Ghost
  
  I think people should be writing the Israeli government and demanding they keep her. But in all fairness, they need to let her go soon so she can sail to New Zealand and bring some well needed aid packages to the Maori party. The benefit is she can also meet the Green Party while here and swap tea towels.
  
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  June 10, 2025 12:52pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  They could be slow in returning her home.
  
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  June 10, 2025 12:53pm
- Ian
  
  Shades of Clockwork Orange….
  
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  June 10, 2025 12:57pm
- mandk
  
  I can’t help thinking that Thunberg will soon lose interest in trying to help the Palestinians and turn her efforts to something else.
  
  Maybe promoting inclusion of trans people in women’s sport. Or extreme vegan activism. Or advocating for the cultural importance of infibulating girls.
  
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  June 10, 2025 1:22pm
  - judith8409121
    
    i image it will happen after she has to watch the reality video.
    
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    June 10, 2025 2:14pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    They offered to show Greata and the rest the video of 7 October. They refused to watch it.
    
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    June 10, 2025 8:16pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “They refused to watch it.”
      
      That is what I expected. It would disturb their brainwashing too much.
      
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      June 10, 2025 9:20pm
- Harlequin
  
  Just show it on a loop over and over and over until she can pass a written test.
  
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  June 10, 2025 1:36pm
- Conservatarian
  
  Maybe they could let her tour the 400km of Hamas terror tunnels and let her examine a Gaza hospital surgery which contains a bed, a washing station, surgical tools and a rack of rocket propelled grenades.
  
  UNRWA calls this “investing in Gazan infrastructure.”
  
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  June 10, 2025 2:09pm
- mogg
  
  There are not many people who could watch the horrors of Oct 7th, but from Hamas’ own footage we should all watch the Palestinian civilians spitting at and defiling the dead bodies of the Israeli victims.
  This would help the disgusting useful idiots like Dawn French to understand where the hatred is coming from. DF is a disgusting piece of work, it’s on YouTube.
  
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  June 10, 2025 3:50pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Where is it on YouTube?
    
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    June 10, 2025 4:58pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Celebs seem to live in a teflon bubble where reality just won’t stick.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:22pm
- Jethrod
  
  They will eventually let her go having been talked to insanity by her incessant jabber about all sorts of rubbish …. a bit like this reply 😀
  
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  June 10, 2025 4:17pm
AitchW

Presumably they’ll return Thunberg and her fellow activists to the port from which the boatilla sailed?
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June 10, 2025 12:56pm
Ghost

Is the Trump Elon divorce over?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrSBHsnqigA

Good news for the states that were worried about the custody battle.
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June 10, 2025 2:24pm
mandk

It’s impossible to understand how this piece of excrement was allowed to stay in NZ: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360716783/you-messed-wrong-woman-survivor-confronts-iranian-asylum-seeker-turned-rapist

He arrived in NZ claiming asylum, but made a false oath and refused to hand over his passport. He then committed bigamy and later had a protection order against him.

Despite claiming asylum he twice travelled back to Iran and sent methamphetamine to NZ.

Most recently, he also raped and threatened to kill a young woman.

And he was sentenced to just eight years.

I would say that he should be sent back to Iran, but knowing how the ghastly Islamists operate, he would be exonerated, and the Ayatollahs would want to execute the woman he raped.
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June 10, 2025 4:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  [Deleted : not here – do you understand what name suppression means? Your speculation is not wanted (and seems pointless). mod.]
  
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  June 10, 2025 8:31pm
Sparrow

Living in California in the 1980s there was a terrible rort. Illegals would stand on well known street corners to be picked up for work.
They would work mainly picking. When their so called employers no longer wanted them or to avoid paying them would dob them into the authorities. I suspect that nothing has changed.
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June 10, 2025 4:20pm
- MCōs
  
  I remember reading about something similar in Thailand
  Construction companies would hire Burmese at less them minimum wages, which is pitiful as it is, and then pay the police to get rid of them back to Myanmar just before the job was finished.
  There’s a meanness in this world
  
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  June 10, 2025 4:59pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Thais themselves have told me that there is also a slave trade in Burmese people (on Thai shrimp boats apparently).
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:24pm
- [email protected]
  
  I lived in S. California then and the many “probably illegal” fruit pickers were well cared for. They were sending money back to their families in Mexico and S. America.
  
  Yes, very few of the locals were willing to do the hard work.
  
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  June 10, 2025 6:03pm
RdM

DG:
Israel will make Greta Thunberg and fellow activists on an intercepted aid boat watch footage of the Hamas October 7 2023 attack

I don’t quite know how they will “make” Little Greta and her mates watch the video…She will just close her eyes, literally and figuratively. I doubt the Israelis will go so far as taping her eyes open.
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I’d thought it would be nice if you’d included a link, scrolled up to see if I could find what you may have been replying to or quoting, unsuccessfully, but then remembered that just highlighting your quoted italic text and searching on that would bring results… OK.

Seems they refused to watch it. I think they should have taped their eyes open! ;=})

From
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/we-have-been-kidnapped-israeli-military-intercepts-greta-thunbergs-ship/news-story/c86c0e544c16d71ceb7177924b6139a5

“Swedish activist Greta Thunberg and fellow aid activists have refused to view a video showing the atrocities commited by Hamas on October 7, 2023, Israel’s Defence Minister has said.

Israel Katz had said the activists, whose ship was intercepted by the Israeli navy as it attempted to break a blockade on Gaza, would be made to watch the video.

However he said on Tuesday morning that when they found out what the film was about, “they refused to continue watching.”

“Greta [Thunberg] and her flotilla companions were taken into a room upon their arrival for a screening of the horror film of the October 7 massacre, and when they saw what it was about, they refused to continue watching,” Mr Katz said in a statement.”
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What seems little known is that Hamas attacked a psychedelic rave music festival at dawn when many were on LSD or MDMA, which would have made it an even more horrific experience for the victims.

https://www.tabletmag.com/feature/psychedelic-mental-health-nova-october-7-terrorist-attacks-israel

An account of the therapies offered survivors.
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June 10, 2025 4:40pm
- Culture War Criminal
  
  So the Jews made Greta Thunberg watch atrocity propaganda to ensure Thunberg no longer suffered wrong-think as to Jews? This sounds like a “far-right conspiracy” to me, yet there you go – it’s actually really what happened.
  
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  June 10, 2025 6:18pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Except it didn’t.
    
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    June 10, 2025 9:57pm
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    Please take your Jew hatred elsewhere.
    
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    June 11, 2025 7:18am
- RdM
  
  From the above tabletmag link:
  
  The Nova Music Festival founders—Omri Sassi, Yoni Feingold, Ofir Amir, and Yagil Rimoni—organized a memorial exhibit curated by Reut Feingold that premiered in Tel Aviv and has since begun to tour internationally. Nova 6.29 opened to the public at the Expo Tel Aviv-International Convention Center on Dec. 7, 2023 and was named for the exact hour on Oct. 7 that Hamas’ attacks began. Its goal was to memorialize the nearly 364 people who lost their lives during the attack by showcasing items salvaged from the festival. The display includes video footage of people dancing in their last moments, WhatsApp exchanges capturing the fear and terror of the attendees, portraits of those who never made it home, and many items such as shoes and burnt out cars.
  
  Perhaps something like that was offered to Greta?
  Perhaps even more devastating images assembled.
  
  I assume the down-tickers are pro hamas or anti Israel, or maybe if they’d read the link, anti psychedelics, not that they’d ever had one…
  
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  June 10, 2025 6:30pm
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I wouldn’t be surprised if in the coming months Charles steps aside for William to take the throne

King Charles’ cancer is reportedly “incurable”, according to a palace insider.

The beloved monarch, 76, first told the public that he was battling cancer just over 18 months ago.

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June 10, 2025 5:51pm
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  Didn’t Wills offer Jacinda Ardern a job after she quit the NZ PM role?
  
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  June 10, 2025 9:28pm
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    No she did not ffs, what utter bollocks
    
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    June 10, 2025 10:49pm
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      No G, you’re wrong. He appointed her a trustee of the Earthshot Prize
      
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      June 10, 2025 10:55pm
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      You still believe that G? 😛
      
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      June 11, 2025 10:14pm
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  Ghost: From the description – and the quote that he will “die with it but not from it” he almost certainly has prostate cancer; as do many men his age
  
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Several people killed in a school shooting in Austria

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ce3vxrz6rpnt
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