Summary of the summary against Ahmed Zaoui
February 22nd, 2004 at 8:31 pm by David FarrarThe NZ Herald has published the SIS summary against Ahmed Zaoui.
For those who don’t want to read the whole thing, the summary of the summary is:
* attempted to destroy a false South African passport
* possible “casing” video included many places not obvious tourist sites
* visited mosque in Hanoi frequented by Algerian diplomats despite claiming to fear contact with Algerian regime
* doubts over veracity of an answer he gave
* twice declined refugee status in Belgium
* convicted in Belgium in 1996 of being a leader and instigator of a criminal association
* illegally left Belgium and illegally entered Switzerland in 1997
* undertook activities in Switzerland which the Swiss government saw as endangering Switzerland’s domestic and external security
* expelled from Switzerland to Burkina Faso in 1998
* convicted in absentia in France in 2001 of participation in a criminal group with a view to preparing terrorist acts
Just the sort of person we want to have in New Zealand, convicted in multiple countries of criminal activities, has ignored court orders, broken immigration laws and to top it all supports establishment of fundamentalist Islamic governments instead of secular ones.
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February 22nd, 2004 at 11:42 pm
I quite agree. But one has to wonder how the Government has let this drag on for so long when they managed to get rid of the Sri Lankan girl pretty quickly. I personally agree with her deportation, but I also know that if I had to choose between her and Zaoui it would be a no-brainer. Would it be cynical to suggest that nothing’s been done because the Goverment doesn’t want to risk the Greens (Keith Locke and all that) withdrawing their support for the minority Government?
Vote:February 23rd, 2004 at 11:34 am
If the Greens support him – I’d like to see him thrown out. I’m thinking Dalziel has been removed as I feel she opposed letting him in. It can’t be because the press complained that seh was misleading the public when they do it all the time – surely?
Vote:February 23rd, 2004 at 5:50 pm
Exactly right Sean, was thinking exactly the same as I read an article stating that Keith Locke was supporting a protest to free him. If that isn’t evidence of wrong-doing what is?
Vote:February 29th, 2004 at 10:38 am
I am aware that Keith Lockes support does not impress some people, however it is extremley lazy thinking just to dismiss an issue because Keith Lock supports it. There are politicians whose ideas I generally always disagree with, but I’ll find concrete reasons for my objection rather than just dismiss their argument.
See: http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00170.htm
for a comprehensive argument against the incredibly weak allegations contained in the SIS summary. See http://www.freezaoui.org.nz/ for the whole video – Unless you’re smoking the current headline drug (That of the one letter name) – it’s pretty hard to see how a terrorist could use it.
Vote:February 29th, 2004 at 10:35 pm
I understand your concearn mr davidson and lockes
support is dubious at the best of times.
but allowing zaoui to stay will allow all of his extended family to come to nz.
For an indepth look into the future you should
check out the population projections from the
world institute of population studies.
I suspect the future is Islam without question
so how do we convince zaoui and other migrants that they cant change certain human freedoms that
are the basis for our very existence.
It is true that conservitives bring in cheap labour from the thirld world to increase profits
but liberals like your self deny your culture due to guilt that has happened in the past that will
increase islamic numbers.
If you believe that zaoui is secular and freedom loving you are a fool.
the future of the west is islam and there is nothing we can do about it.
Vote:December 4th, 2004 at 2:13 am
David Farrar,Tim Bond,Sean and Paul, I wonder if you ever question anything you read? Good Lord men!!!! Here’s a challenge for you brain boxes…. instead of simply reading the New Zealand Herald or a summary and then making up your mind, try reading the comprehensive Refugee Status report that declared Ahmed Zaoui a legitimate refugee.Or Selwyn Manning’s and Katie Small’s recent book “I Amost Forgot About The Moon” which provides a detailed and much researched rebuttal to these pathetic allegations. Ahmed Zaoui is a moderate muslim who like millions of other moderate muslims are totally against the way fundamentalists muslims have hijacked Islam. Ahmed Zaoui is a democratically elected Algerian Parliamentarian. He believes in democracy and freedom this is clear from his writing and from the research detailed by many others. Since being incarcerated at the Auckland Central Remand Prison he has attended the Prison’s church services every sunday. Strange don’t you think for an intolerant fundamentalist. The video which I have seen is a badly shot tourist video. Like most foreigners who shoot holiday footage it shows places and events of interest and beauty. It also includes footage of Ahmed himself waving and smiling at the camera. He may have visited isolated places but so do thousands of tourists who have inquiring minds and like to experience something other than a standard bus tour. Oh! that’s right you don’t have an inquiring mind you accept what you read without analysis. How can you ever hope to understand a person of intelligence who likes to experience and understand the world. To date neither the SIS nor the government has provided one bit of credible evidence of why they think Ahmed is a risk to national security. They have simply made allegations and have failed to back them up.If they really belive he is a terrorist why not charge him and let him defend himself in court? That would be the right thing to do in a free and democratic society. A vist to the man himself would give you an idea of what an asset he would be to New Zealand. I would submit that it is narrow thinking peole like yourself who are a threat to New Zealand and our way of life not Islam.
Vote:December 4th, 2004 at 8:25 am
Charmaine – it is a sign of intolerance that if someone disagrees with you, you assume they are ignorant, rather than accept people can reach different conclusions off the same information.
As it happens I have read the RSAA report, along with much other information. I have no doubt Zaoui played a role in supporting terrorist activity in Europe.
Vote:December 4th, 2004 at 5:32 pm
A plane leaves NZ everyday for Malaysia/ singapore save the taxpayer some cash, by slipping him some GBH, and sticking him on the next one out.
Vote:December 4th, 2004 at 5:48 pm
Whether Zaoui supports sharia law et al or not is completely and utterly irrelevant.
To quote myself from http://leftandlefter.blogspot.com/2004/10/focus-on-rights-not-man.html
“I haven’t met Ahmed Zaoui, I haven’t heard him speak, I haven’t had the opportunity to properly judge his personality for myself. If he does indeed advocate sharia law (as has been suggested), I vehemently disagree with his politican persuasion. That does not mean, however, that he should be refused refugee status.
If he does indeed pose a security risk, then that risk should be detailed to the courts. If the court then so decides, deportation can occur. If he does not pose a significant security threat, then his merits should be judged. His merits as a refugee that is, not as a person.”
Vote:December 5th, 2004 at 10:26 am
David- Excellent! I am pleased that you took the time to read the report.
I believe it is unfortunate that you disagree with the decision, despite the fact that Mr Zaoui’s “evidence was collaborated at every material point”. The evidence of his detractors on the hand are based on the thinnest of suspicions which have never been verified.
David, I totally support your right to express your opinion . In fact I am delighted to have the opportunity to debate the issue with you. However, I was merely expressing my opinion that I believe that your opinion is baseless and does not demonstrate any critical thinking about the issue.
Jackal, if Mr Zaoui is deported to Malaysia he will be deported to Algeria where he wll be tortured and killed. You are in fact advocating for the death of a fellow human being who has not been proven guilty. This makes me wonder who is the real threat to New Zealand’s national security and democratic conventions. You? or Mr Zaoui a proven advocate of peace and democracy?
Vote:December 5th, 2004 at 1:09 pm
the decision to deport him from Malaysia, is not NZ’s to make, so you are stretching things.
Vote:As for Zauoi being a nice bloke and all, do you thnk that Mohamed Atta’s mates thought, and still think that he too is a nice bloke?
You are more likely to be a terrorist threat to NZ by supporting individuals who have a known collaboration with other terrorist organisations, so should we be lobbying for your deportation to Algeria? I think not, the fact that we live in a relatively free country, allows for positions of dissent. In my books, your opinion is valued, even if it is wrong.
December 10th, 2004 at 6:04 pm
where can you get more info? I have hard to see a person being thrown out of several countries in europe were other algerians are ok to stay as refugees,,he must have domne something since he has been spinning in and out of several countries with false passport,why did he leave his family in malaysia? and why does he say that he had choosen new zealand when that is crap , he had choosen heaps of countries that he has tried to get in to and then he tried here aswell, and now he says that he loves rugby! if he was in china he would say that he loves ping-pong!
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