The most hated woman in the US

December 1st, 2007 at 2:13 pm by David Farrar

Megan Mier was 13.  She killed herself after her online crush – a 16 year old boy called Josh Evans said he hated her and the world would be a better place without her.

That would be bad enough, but Josh Evans in fact was 47 year old Lori Drew who set up the fake identity and said all those things to Mier as some sort of revenge for the fact Mier was no longer friends with her daughter. Drew knew Mier was on anti-depressants.
The full sad story is at the NY Times.

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51 Responses to “The most hated woman in the US”

  1. Mike S (229 comments) says:

    How utterly awful, evil and malicious.

    Would NZ law deal with this sort of harassment and deception any differently I wonder?

    To set in train actions that one knows might contribute to pushing someone mentally over the edge – it must be a very hard thing to prove, but this certainly seems like a case of it.

    Really a saddening piece of news.

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  2. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    How utterly, utterly tragic. My heart goes out to Megan’s parents. I can’t even begin to imagine the pain they must be feeling.

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  3. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    That an adult could do this to an over emotional hormone filled teen is reprehensible.

    We can understand teens getting snipey at each other, a week is a long time in their lives. They can really get quite callous with each other as text bullying and also remembering the Putaruru college girl who committed suicide.

    But an adult to drive a teen to even the thought of suicide let alone the brink of suicide is utterly savage.

    What the man will be charged with will be interesting.

    I guess he showed her bogus pix, but they never met and you’d have to say she was being premature, but I wouldn’t be so crass as an adult to look back on hind sight with an adult perspective.

    The man himself was obviously mentally and emotionally retarded and taking out his grievances on a child.

    I also notice a certain individual on this blog who proclaims justice for family life and father hood has not been in a hurry to comment on this case. Should be his no1 priority today

    Go figure ????????????

    [DPF: Hinamaru - please do not try and provoke off topic discussions]

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  4. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    That someone would do such a thing is quite amazing, that it could have such a tragic outcome is sad. I am sure she had no idea it would let to such an outcome, but I can’t imagine what she was thinking to do that.

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  5. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    You mean there IS a woman in the US more hated than Hillary?

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  6. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    “I also notice a certain individual on this blog who proclaims justice for family life and father hood has not been in a hurry to comment on this case. Should be his no1 priority today

    Go figure ????????????”

    What a sad case . What a nasty piece of work hinamanu and thank you for calling me a pedophile . You are a mad person .

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  7. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    hinamanu & d4j – couldn’t you guys just call a truce. yours is a no-one-wins personality clash which adds little to the thread topics. pretty please ..?

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  8. flashgordonnz (16 comments) says:

    Surely it is a form of child abuse? An adult preying on a child?
    Sick, sick, sick. I know I couldn’t live 4 doors away from someone who had done that to a child of mine.
    Two wrongs don’t make a right, and it must be a further taunt to the bereaved Miers to see, perhaps on a daily basis, this despicable woman.
    If I were one of the Drews, we would quietly up-sticks and move to a different part of the country, just for the safety of the family. This is the stuff of intergenerational feuding.

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  9. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    I didn’t, bought up in other posts as you already know

    although I don’t really have to defend myself as every one already knows this.

    End.

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  10. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    Read my version on my blog . End of story . I would very much like that KK.

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  11. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “This is the stuff of intergenerational feuding.”

    quite right.

    also, this phenomenon of student popularity is also bogus.

    It is actually a perpetuated form of zero tolerance started at very high levels to anyone who isn’t correct, same, conformed.

    It is very prevalent in the US and is why they suffer so much school shootings. and the sad thing is, they still haven’t identified the real problem. Very shallow.

    Let’s hope this very dangerous entrenched state encouraged social crime does not rear its ugly head here.

    The very fact why I must fawn upon the sad case of Cacofinix release him from the bonds of my persecution of this sad creature, if not for his benefit, but mine. for I concur that my fellow noble bloggers have touched upon my conscience of this hollow man and I must take the noble lead DPF begun by respecting free speech and pitying the fool who abuses it.

    After all will the wretch not only hurt himself in his continued persecutions of our fellow communicators.

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  12. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    And still it continues KK , when will it end ?

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  13. Stanley Climbfall (108 comments) says:

    First of all, IF the Meiers’ story is factually ACCURATE, then yes the other family deserves to be prosecuted and punished.

    BUT, if the story is NOT accurate, then the other family will have their lives torn apart for nothing. There have already been cases in the US where men have had their lives completely destroyed by women who lie about being sexually assaulted by those men, even when the men are cleared of any charges. It’s entirely possible this family is actually largely innocent, and will end up having to move away and change their identities to escape the wrongful prosecution from simple-minded, over-reactive neighbours who don’t realize there are two sides to every story. Therefore, I think it is very important to analyse this story carefully.

    Firstly, bear in mind it is in the news website’s best interest to make this story as shocking and appalling as possible. It’s obvious the article is very biased and non-objective. Just look at the emotion-evoking headings:

    SHADOWY CYBERSPACE
    ‘GOD-AWFUL FEELING’
    BEYOND GRIEF INTO FURY
    AX AND SLEDGEHAMMER
    ‘GAINING MEGAN’S CONFIDENCE’
    NO CRIMINAL CHARGES
    THE AFTERMATH IS PAIN

    They also post heart-wrenching quotes, like: “After years of wearing braces, Megan was scheduled to have them removed the day she died. And she was looking forward to her birthday party.

    “She and her mom went shopping and bought a new dress,” Ron says. “She wanted to make this grand entrance with me carrying her down the stairs. I never got to see her in that dress until the funeral.”

    So I wouldn’t put it past them to intentionally make this story one-sided and outrageous to gain more readers by having this story spread around the internet.

    Now, let’s take another look at the story. In addition, this part of the article really stood out to me as inconsistent:

    NO CRIMINAL CHARGES

    It does not appear that there will be criminal charges filed in connection with Megan’s death.

    “We did not have a charge to fit it,” McGuire says. “I don’t know that anybody can sit down and say, ‘This is why this young girl took her life.'”

    The Meiers say the matter also was investigated by the FBI, which analyzed the family computer and conducted interviews. Ron said a stumbling block is that the FBI was unable to retrieve the electronic messages from Megan’s final day, including that final message that only Ron saw.

    The Meiers do not plan to file a civil lawsuit. Here’s what they want: They want the law changed, state or federal, so that what happened to Megan – at the hands of an adult – is a crime.

    “I don’t know that anybody can sit down and say, ‘This is why this young girl took her life.’ ”

    The article makes this sentence seem completely wrong: from the article it’s obvious why Megan took her life. So why aren’t the police filing criminal charges for such an obvious crime? Probably because it’s nowhere near obvious; probably because the story is not so clear-cut as most people here seem to think.

    “The Meiers say the matter also was investigated by the FBI”

    So not only did the local police look into it, the FBI were also investigating this story. And neither of them took any action against the other family? That’s gotta be a pretty big indication that whatever the other family did, it wasn’t anywher near as appalling as the article makes it out to be. Honestly, they might have even done nothing wrong, for all we know.

    “Ron said a stumbling block is that the FBI was unable to retrieve the electronic messages from Megan’s final day, including that final message that only Ron saw.”

    This is bullshit. You’re telling me that after Ron read the “final message”, he deleted his internet explorer cache (otherwise anyone could easily retrieve it from there)? Not only that, he also managed to do enough hard disk writing to overwrite the cache files, preventing widely-available undelete programs from retrieving them? (when you “delete” a file, it actually stays on your hard disk unchanged, though Windows treats it as free space so eventually the file will be overwritten and truly deleted) IMO, it’s more likely Ron made the whole message up.

    “The Meiers do not plan to file a civil lawsuit. Here’s what they want: They want the law changed, state or federal, so that what happened to Megan – at the hands of an adult – is a crime.”

    So the Meiers SMASHED the other family’s foosball table, dumped it in the family’s driveway, and now suddenly they’re too kind to file a civil suit? I think they’re not filing suit because they don’t have enough evidence to do so. Which, IMO, is probably because at least some of their claims are lies (e.g. the mysterious missing messages).

    In conclusion, I honestly am not convinced that everything I alleged above is true. Really, IMO what I wrote is no less sketchy than the Meiers’ story. And we’ve both certainly made appeals to emotion to convince people to take our sides. In any case, I think it’s important to avoid rushing to judge the other family, because it’s certainly possible (if not likely) that they are not as malicious and cruel as the Meiers make them out to be.

    OK I just realised you’re linking to a NY Times article, but I read this elsewhere ages ago and that was a copy paste from a previous post on a different forum.

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  14. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Stanley,,

    Is it possible you could send me your email at wompey@hotmail.com

    I have some communications I want to rely to you.

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  15. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    Thought so !!

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  16. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    This is tragic. Cyber bullying is disturbing and should be condemned. David, in all seriousness, why don’t you see if you can’t convince Cameron Slater to apologise for his appalling behaviour towards James Sleep?

    [DPF: Paul you're an idiot. First of all for trying to politicise a tragic death to score a cheap point. Very very slimy. Secondly because James and Cameron resolved issues between them some time ago, and now have a cordial relationship.]

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  17. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    This is tragic. Cyber bullying is disturbing and should be condemned. David, in all seriousness, why don’t you see if you can’t convince D4J to apologise for his appalling behaviour towards James Sleep?

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  18. Mike S (229 comments) says:

    Does anyone know what the legal situation would be for this in NZ?

    Would it be possible to prosecute anyone who behaved in this way or not?

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  19. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    And it never stops – surely there is a limit to this miss hinamoo ?? Hells bells this is far from a sick joke .

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  20. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    And it was. Far ,far from a sick joke.

    It was so clever I couldn’t help it.

    Or are you actually commending my brilliance.

    I certainly think DPF would see the poetic justice.

    In fact, why are you not poetic justice, just poop?

    But I did say, you are entitled to free speech and its abuse.

    Therefore abuse on friend.

    And as you piss against the wind, remember……

    actually,, there is no wisdom to pissing against the wind.

    You just choke… i would suppose, in good time.

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  21. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    I thought this thread was about the most hated in women in the US not the most hated women in New Zealand Miss Hinamoo . A soldier never dies . Must go . Bye , bye .

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  22. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    I am probably out of line here but I thought the must hated woman in NZ was Helen or is she not classed under Darwins Species as woman?

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  23. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    hear, hear!!

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  24. berend (1,711 comments) says:

    1. Mum and Dad let a 13 year old flirt?

    2. Online?

    3. With someone they didn’t know?

    The government should do something.

    And on the girl, according to the story, on Oct 15 they traded insults for an hour, on Oct 16 he said the world would be a better place without you, and next she hangs herself???

    That took very little to push someone over the edge. So little that given the story is in the NY Times, I’ll want to see some more facts.

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  25. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The key theme here is 13.

    you’re talking from a completely adult perspective.

    young people are hard enough to understand without being pushed.

    This is a completely irrational teen age scenario and should not be interpreted as anything else.

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  26. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    Twisted bitch!

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  27. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    Berend “The government should do something.”

    No Berend, the parents should do something! What’s with the mindset that ‘the government should do something’? They can barely organize themselves…..except when it fills their pockets.

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  28. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ok,,

    that as well.

    But lets be more sensitive.

    Poor twisted bitch.

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  29. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Berend “The government should do something.”

    The US govt spends enough time and effort and probably millions censoring and suppressing the internet as it is, turning the net into a huge US poltically correct narrow minded sewer without any more asking for intervention.

    www is obsolete. internet should now be called US web.

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  30. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    Heh, yep!

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  31. colinm (65 comments) says:

    Hey, Hinamanu.
    You are talking about cyber bullying. Isn’t that what you are doing to D4J?
    I reckon you, both should stop posting on the same threads, it’s getting tiresome scrolling through the to and fro taunts. Get some gloves and hire a ring eh!

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  32. Zutroy Abadolov (80 comments) says:

    Why is Hinamanu posting the same comment as Paul W, word for word, within a matter of minutes? Check out the comment by Paul W at 4:52, followed by Hinamanu only 3 minutes later….

    Could it be we have a schitzo personality thing going on here – multiple postings under multiple identities by one person? How sad if true….

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  33. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    13 year olds on anti-depressants?

    What a @§&%% up country.

    13 years get told they are hated all the time. They don’t go out and hang themselves.

    America and the kid’s parents are in major denial.

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  34. mara (788 comments) says:

    What Stanley said. Before I hanged and quartered anyone, I’d want to examine this case more closely.

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  35. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    David, I wasn’t trying to politicise the thread at all and never mentioned political parties in my comment. Neither was I aware that they’d patched things up, I visit his site less often than I visit yours.

    Don’t assume everyone or everthing is as petty as your regulars.

    I don’t often comment here, but I was aware you knew Slater and thought you might be able to assist. Thanks for the smartarse reply.

    [DPF: You used a tragedy to take a cheap shot at someone. Hence the tone of my reply]

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  36. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    BS, David. It wasn’t a cheap shot. My language was entirely moderate and Slater can’t imagine that other adults won’t take issue with what he did – it was nothing short of cowardly.

    I drew an obvious comparison between the appalling instance of cyber-bullying in the US with the equally appalling instance in NZ. The ages are slightly different as are the circumstances however they are both cyber-bullying. Slater didn’t know how Sleep might have reacted. That it hasn’t been tragic doesn’t mean the young man hasn’t been traumatised – I don’t know, does Slater, do you?

    I’m pleased they’ve resolved matters. I didn’t know they had. My point remains valid none-the-less and your reaction was gratuitous.

    If you’d know about what was happening to the young woman in the US story, either because she was family or some sort of acquaintance, would you have intervened. I hope you would. Did you do or say anything to Slater in regards his behaviour?

    [DPF: It was the exact definition of a cheap shot. You capitalised on a tragedy to score points against someone you don't ike. Now you;re allowed to do it, but don't expect to take the moral high ground on it. And your moral equivalence between the two situations is close to disgusting. And not that it is any of your business but the answer to both is yes]

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  37. checkthefacts (29 comments) says:

    I have read around two dozen accounts of the Lori Drew case and it is factually correct. But there appears to be no such crime on the books. The woman was aware that the girl on had depression problems and was very vulnerable. And her last messages, as Josh, literally told the girl the world would be better with her. This is after “Josh” expressed his interest in Megan for a full month to get her fully hooked. It actually gets worse!

    When Megan was being worked on by medical emergency people at her home, Drew called a neighbour who was told by Drew that she was doing this to Megan “to keep her mouth shut”. The woman told which is how the story came out. Now it appears that Drew and her daughter are running a website entitled “Megan deserved what she got.” They are really vicious and sadistic. And Drew says she feels no guilt over what happened.

    The police say that the reason they aren’t charging is not that the facts are in dispute but that the form of harassment engaged in doesn’t appear to be illegal. No laws existed. I have read the police report and it verifies the facts of the case.

    And what is forgotten by Stanley Climbfall in his analysis is that the family only found out the truth about Lori Drew’s involvment several months later. They just thought that Megan and this boy had a spat — they didn’t know that Drew intentionally set Megan up. So they had no reason to preserve the boy’s messages. It was something like four to six months later that the one neighbour, feeling guilty that she knew the truth and was hiding it, came forward and told them what happened. Climbfall seems to think they knew this immediately and therefore should have acted in ways implying they knew — such as preserving emails.

    In addition the FBI would might consider whether they had jurisdiction, or the local police might request they look at the hard drive to see if they could retrieve old material from half a year before. But otherwise the FBI would have no jurisdiction in the case and wouldn’t be involved. They would only have the most limited involvement unless specifically asked to look in the matter. And then the FBI investigates it doesn’t make decisions to file charges. Since the FBI doesn’t prosecute anyone to say that the FBI didn’t prosecute doesn’t prove anything.

    It should also be noted that Lori Drew admitted what she did. She doesn’t deny it at all. She is not defending herself except to say she feels no guilt over it. But she has not disputed any of the facts as reported.

    Berend seems oblivious to certain facts. Megan had been overweight and ridiculed at state school over it. This added to her depression problems and she had braces making it worse for her. The reason Drew used a fake photo of a teen age boy was to play on what she knew to be Megan’s emotional weakness over her looks. Megan was so thrilled that a boy liked her. She was also at a new school, lost about 9kg in weight, made new friends, and was really happy for the first time. And then when she was at the top of the world the “boy” suddenly comes down on her for “mistreating” her friends and the Drews got other teens to send nasty messages (online friends of ‘Josh’ who didn’t know he was fake) as well. So they intentionally tried to push her weakest area knowing full well she was been treated for serious depression.

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  38. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    David, don’t impute motive on my part. My only concern was for Sleep – I’m not a partisan hack and would rather you didn’t assume my comments had some broader political purpose. They didn’t.

    It’s not a cheap shot either. If you can’t see the obvious point of comparison between the two events, it’s only because you’re not prepared accept that your mate’s actions were way over the line.

    I’m not surprised by your answers, you’re right it’s none of my business, but I’d have been surprised if you’d answered otherwise.

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  39. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    So how many Djrews in this conundrum?
    Do they need another Sorting Hat in Florida?
    Or was the holocaust sufficient?
    Poor old Balfour – did create such a Problem!

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  40. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    The end of Valerie – dit dit dah dah dit

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  41. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,350 comments) says:

    Valeriusterminus: WTF?

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  42. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    POC
    Valerie has near consumed her love of Evie, the Salt Flats preVail, aquiesed to her Queen Ateh, but never admitted the existence of the Fast mirror, but has always listened to the Voices in the Fire.
    Valerie has redefined the Jewsih Problem.

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  43. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,350 comments) says:

    Valeriusterminus:

    I know it’s a full moon, and yes the wolves are howling, but WTF does that incoherent gibberish have to do with this thread topic?

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  44. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    Sorry POC
    But this thread resounds with the hysteria of Judaeo Americanco, “The Miers of Florida” – this is purile. Let us delve into why the Miers thrive in Florida? A much more sustainable topic.!

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  45. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    OK – Balfour said
    “A promised land for all Jews”
    The Zionists said – “shit no” ” we don’t want those Warzaw ghettoes in the Promised Land”
    Hey Adolph – can you help?
    Hitler said – “hey what you want is what I want – Europe devoid of Jews
    Let me pass a few laws – hey – “no Jews marry non -Jews” – is that Talmud compliant or what?
    And let me establish a system, where we can test Jew claimants – see if they are worthy of the Promised Land – see how pure their claim to Judea is, give them points on their worthiness and the lesser will perish, This way we can assure you a pure tribute to Israel. – Hey what we want is what you want and I have 51 documents to prove it,

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  46. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    DPF – how many points I get ??

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  47. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,350 comments) says:

    Take your pick

    10 points – posting off topic?
    35 points – For blatant trolling, highly inflammatory comments?

    It’s a tough decision for DPF :)

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  48. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    And POC – friend..
    They are not wolves that you can hear – but the musings of many Black Shuck’s of Kirby Row, they claim Bungay – Our journeys are always surveyed.

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  49. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,350 comments) says:

    Valeriusterminus:

    Sorry, but try as I might, your comments are too cryptic for simple minds like mine. Hopefully others will have better luck with you?

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  50. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    V is not cryptic – okay start with Alan Moore – then Lenni Brenner, perhaps some Julian Huxley for context – then all is clear. It is all about Bacon! rashers and roses.

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