Sharples says Labour tried to “pervert the course of justice”
September 24th, 2008 at 1:04 pm by David FarrarNot only were Labour turning a blind eye to Peters corruption, they were threatening and lobbying other parties to do the same.
Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples says a New Zealand First staffer and Government minister tried to put pressure on his party over how it would vote in yesterday’s censure motion against Winston Peters. …
“I personally had two separate phone calls from a senior minister urging me to vote in favour of Winston, and suggesting that there would be unpleasant repercussions from Maori people if I didn’t,” he said in a statement….
“Both (fellow co-leader) Tariana Turia and myself were disgusted with this kind of activity, aimed at perverting the course of justice and fair play.”
Labour First are quite simply a corrupt party, and they should go.
The Prime Minister’s hypocrisy is unmatched on this. She claims the outcome of the Privileges Committee was not credible because of partisan politics, and her own Ministers are trying to heavy and threaten the Maori Party to vote against, despite their belief in the evidence.
The same Prime Minister who has not even read a copy of the Privileges Committee report, yet says there is nothing in it that would casue her to drop Winston.
UPDATE: the full press release from Sharples is over the break
Maori Party Disgusted at the Winston Peters’ Attack
Dr Pita R Sharples, Co-leader 24 September 2008
Dr Sharples, Co-leader of the Maori Party today poo-poohed the personalised attack on the Maori Party by NZ First Leader, Winston Peters.
“I emphatically reject Mr Peters’ criticism of us “riding the waves of sentiment” by publicly supporting him, and then “selling him out,” said Dr Sharples.
“Our stand has never been about Winston Peters – it’s about accountability and integrity, and these principles are important for every MP, not matter who they are.
“All of us in the Maori Party have deliberately refrained from criticising Mr Peters in the public arena – in fact we have gone to considerable lengths to point out to his detractors his considerable achievements within his current ministerial portfolio, and over the years. In addition, both my Co-leader Tariana Turia and I have offered our personal best wishes to Winston to see him through this enquiry,” he said.
“More importantly, the Maori Party refrained from jumping to any conclusions about his behaviour until we had seen and heard all the evidence presented to the Privileges Committee.”
Dr Sharples said the party’s representative on the Privileges Committee, Te Ururoa Flavell, presented a very clear analysis of his findings on the matter to the House yesterday at 4.00pm. “The Maori Party concurred with his analysis and, therefore, despite any personal feelings of support for Winston, our caucus was well prepared to make the hard call on his behaviour on the basis of the evidence provided,” he said.
“An attack on our credibility over this issue by Winston is totally out of order, and without any substance at all,” said Dr Sharples. “The Maori Party values its political integrity and has spent three years in the house – walking our talk.
Dr Sharples said he was not only taken aback by the personal attack from Winston Peters, but was disappointed at the personal lobbying by a NZ First staffer and a government Minister over the past weekend to influence the Maori Party’s decision prior to the vote.
“I personally had two separate phone calls from a senior Minister urging me to vote in favour of Winston, and suggesting that there would be unpleasant repercussions from Maori people if I didn’t. Both Tariana Turia and myself were disgusted with this kind of activity, aimed at perverting the course of justice and fair play.
“But one thing Winston Peters said is right, and that is – the people will decide on November 8. His populist antics versus our integrity,” said Dr Sharples.
Related posts:
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- Field on Peters
- Sharples on Clark
- PM has not read report!
September 24th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Names please Pita. Names.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Ive said it before Clark and Cullen have seriously pissed off the Greens and the Maori Party over this. Even if and at this point its a huge if the Socialists got more votes than the Nats would the Greens and the Maori Party want to work with them if it also included working with Luigi if Labour First engineer Marks into Rimutaka.
I dont think so After being shat on by Clark Cullen and now we know heavied as well why would they Better to give support to the Nats and get something in return than be labelled with the Socialists.
This has played out far better than any of us could have dreamed about. In the end Clarks ego and personal reputation is more important to her than the survival of the Labour Party
Like all venal feral political creatures its all about them and noone else
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
It would have to be either Cullen or Mallard wouldn’t it.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Sounds like it was Horomia.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
What’s he gonna do DPF? Stick Pita in a hangi and eat him?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
The more I see and hear from Dr Sharples, Tariana Turia and Mr Harawira the more impressed with them I become. They have integrity in spades. So much so that I don’t think Dr Sharples would pot his caller, much as though we would like him to.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
It is a pity that the Maori Party isn’t more about Pita Sharples and less about Hone Harawira……
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I vote for Mallard.
I hope that the identity of this person is made public. It needs to be so. I would actually call Hone and see if he would give us the name. He may be a bit of a maverick, but in my experience he calls a spade a spade.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
David, my first thought is wow this is huge. BUT-
1. the MSM need to climb all over this – will they? – Francesca, are you there?
2. To really be credible, Pita needs to name names- not just make aspersions. If needs be, he needs to copmplain to the police or the relavant body. Will he?
Pita – politicians have a very low credibility and trust rating as you know. But we need you. Good on you for voting in line with the majority of the Privileges Committee. The greater majority of NZ can see the truth over this. BUT WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP VACUUM IN PARLIAMENT – INDEED, ITS AN HONESTY VACUUM. PLEASE STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH AND INTEGRITY AND WHAT YOUR AND MY FOREFATHERS BELIEVED IN AND FOUGHT FOR AND NAME NAMES. WE ARE ALL BEHIND YOU – ANYONE WITH MORAL FIBRE AND CHARACTER WILL BE
DPF – why dont you personally agitate for this as well – you’re better connected than us – rather than just reporting it?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
This could be the beginning of the end of the Labour Party as a major force Clark and Cullen may have bought about the start of a collapse that will see the Labour Party consigned to minor party status not this election but in the future.
A falling away of support and funding and lose of administrative and other key supporters whose morals and ethics are no longer in alignment with the leadership
This is how it plays out Individuals making decisions that they no longer wish to be associated with a tainted and damaged brand.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
And Helen Clark has the affrontery to call other MP’s “Slippery”
Vote:This is cynical manipulation/corruption at its worst.
Having been overseas for 10 days, I thought I would arrive back to find that the “Peters Affair” was done and dusted, but no, I arrive back to hear the Prime Minister making derogatory comments about the Privileges Committee, the SFO and the Crown Law Office and still defending him.
This woman (and her Deputy) would have to be the most moraly bereft, manipulative, self serving, power hungry despots to have EVER held the Offices of Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister in the history of this country. I may have only been voting for 30 years, but I cannot recall anything even close to the current situation.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
“Our stand has never been about Winston Peters – it’s about accountability and integrity, and these principles are important for every MP, not matter who they are.”
Fine words. OBVIOUSLY it’s all about accountability and intergrity, and not one jot about whether they thought in the past they may have been able to negotiate his support on something…
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!
Back in 1996, when Winston was promoting himself and his followers as a rational, centre of the compass, alternative to vote for, he positioned himself as above the pettiness of philosophical politics and the one sane voice of the needs of the day. He maintained that position through five elections. In the last of those five he added the fact that he was above the ‘baubles of office’ and was still only interested in being the peoples’ champion.
In 1999, Helen Clark ran a campaign, followed by two more in 02 and 05, on being above the ‘me for my sake’ politics of the National party, and wanting to do the right, and ethical, things for New Zealand.
Today they are still above one thing at least – The Law!
No matter if it is the ‘laws’ of the institution of Parliament, the Laws of the land, or the laws of good principal, these two, and their followers, have positioned themselves above them. Why then should anyone be surprised that, not having read the committee report, H1 can say there’s nothing in it that causes her concern regarding Mr Peters, or that she should send the bully boys out to threaten a minor party, or even that she should buy the last election with money from the public purse and a Rich Bastard?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
RRM, you keep wanking on about keeping someone on side in case you need their support in the future.
Would you be happy if someone said to your sister/mother/daughter “sure, I’ll give you a job, if you suck my cock”?
Or further still, would you drop to your knees and take a shot in the mouth to curry favour?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Your choice of metaphor is quite interesting. I’d have to be pretty drunk to do it for Winston…
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
alex Masterley “They have integrity in spades. So much so that I don’t think Dr Sharples would pot his caller, much as though we would like him to.”
Why is it a matter of integrity that if someone calls you and tries to blackmail you to keep said blackmailers identity secret? I would have thought that for the sake of intergrity in the whole parliamentary process any minister trying to blackmail another must be exposed and booted out.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Standard question that should be asked of NZ1 and LP candidates at every opportunity during the campaign is “How sore is your nose?, You must have been holding it very hard for a long time over the Peters issue”
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
You’d probably have to ask him to stand on a footstool too, unless you have very short thigh bones.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Couldn’t agree more with you Hagues – outing the threatmakers is the only way of maintaining integrity. Anything else, and Sharples can only be seen as protecting his corrupt colleagues in the House – that is to say, he is actually an accessory to the corruption (as well as being a victim of the threat).
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Didn’t he pick a crap time to stop being bilingual in gibberish? And with all due respect to Sharples (and I have a lot) he doesn’t have any debt of honour towards people who make rather squalid threats like that. As they say in Boston, politics ain’t beanbag but it’s not The Sopranos either. Or it shouldn’t be.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I reckoned Horomia as well
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/09/dirty-tricks-from-labourfirst.html
You can trust Labour eh!
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
RRM your 1.27 says everything that ever needs to be said about your character. You are soooooo Labour.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Standards in NZ politics have slipped so far far you would think they could fall any further. But what is outrageous today is common place tomorrow.
If the RRMs of this world haven’t woken up by now, they never will.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Your choice of metaphor is quite interesting. I’d have to be pretty drunk to do it for Winston…
Vote:But you’d still do it?
September 24th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
So what have we got. An allegation that in 2005 someone approached the MP and offered $250,000 to coalesce with Labour, and now two threats from Labour and NZ1st to vote for Winston. No names or pack drill on either event.
Sorry, not good enough.
JC
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
For what?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Given that MMP is all about negotiated agreements between parties that decide they can stomach similar policies after all, I said I thought it was rich and a bit meaningless for Sharples (by extension from “the leader of any party”) to claim what he did and refuse to acknowledge political expediency as a factor even one little bit.
But you lot go ahead and make whatever you want out of that
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
So you wouldn’t rule it out then RRM? Labour thru and thru.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
On the contrary, JC. Not good enough for what? For the media to follow up? I think it’s plenty good enough for that. God knows they’ve gone to town on National with a lot less many times. I’d be interested to see if there is a question in the house today (Is it sitting?) Further interested to see if Dr Sharples follows up with a detailed letter to the Speaker.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I’ve never heard DPF call labour corrupt. A very strong word.
I don’t know they are hugely corrupt, just they are taking baby steps that way. At the very least they are lowering standards of acceptability.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
But but Transparency International says New Zealand is one of the least corrupt countries in the World.
Vote:Don’t they follow our politics?
Or do they just get a press release from Liarbour.
Somebody needs to send them some of our papers and emails.
And send a copy of Absolute Power to them.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Holy.crap!
Its just getting more open by the day. I ask again, are we going to be permitted to even hold an election?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Nothing surprises me anymore. How much more will be blown apart, how much deeper does it go?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Can someone answer this Is Pita Sharples not compelled by Standing Orders or some other requirement to report the matters he has complained of.
I would have thought that any interference or intimidation of a member by another member would be a very serious offence and covered by the Parliament rules
If not why not.
Does he also have an obligation to report these matters to the Police and if not is he concealing a crime and should the Police be called upon to investigate.
can a citizen reqire the Police to investigate by bringing the matter to their attention
Oh I forgot Howie Broads issued instructions that Plod will not investigate the Socialists or any of their friends for the time being
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
2pm Newstalk ZB bulletin led with this – “Maori Party accuses senior government Minister of blackmail”. And Barry Soper says it is Horomia, even though Sharples hasn’t said as much.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Soper is on ZB now
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Being threatened by that fat fucker? What did he say, ‘get in ma belly’? The iwi will all be pleased when he gets the boot as it drives their catering bills through the roof.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I wonder what the Maori Party would make of Trotter’s assertion that they are basically race traitors for “putting the boot into one of their own people”.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Hmmm, assuming it is Horomia, and we only have Mr Sopers belief that it was then he can only be the messenger. He is not smart enough to come up with the idea himself given that he stopped off at the pie shop when the good lord was handing out brains.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
This needs to be “high noon” for Labour’s relationship with Maori. Sharples and Co need to stand their ground. It would be a tragedy if Labour’s threats over Maori feelings right now had substance; it would be a tragedy if this did translate into a rebound in support for Labour/NZ First FROM MAORI.
Pleeeze say it ain’t so…….
Can someone please reassure us on this?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Hmmm, without naming names and details this seems a bit of a beat up (not that it doesn’t deserve air time). I do not see lobbying perverting the course of justice (although it smells). The allegation of “repercussions” certainly is more serious.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Is it not blindingly obvious who the Labour person was?, Pita does not want to shit on one of the “bro’s”.
As much as I want this story to go large it cannot and should not unless Sharples is prepared to say who it was that approached him from Labour and NZF.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
This explains why the spin after Winston’s censure was so pathetic.
Arrogant Labour probably thought they could lean on the Maori Party like they lean on Winston
and pressure them into not voting for the censure.
Their game plan was probably to have the privileges committee to come back with a non-censure
Then Helen could say – I told you so.
Trouble was, the Maori Party couldn’t be bought, so they hadn’t planned any spin for what was the
outcome of the vote.
It all makes sense.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
It sounds like Parekura’s style to me. He will have been deputed by his leader who will deny all knowledge now that the whistle is blown. So Mr Horomia will be left, slowly roasting on a spit. And by hell, that will take a long time.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
iif we had a MSM worthy of the name they would go after Horomia and get him to spill his guts on who put him up to it.
But they wont
Socialists running dogs that they are
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
gd, please choose your words more carefully. This is a family blog, you know.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Winston is a complete fool, either that or he thinks the public are complete fools.
See stuff: Peters says Maori Party betrayed him
Is this the same man who voted to retrospectively apply new rules about spending?
So it’s OK when it’s good for Winston Peters to actually use the unconventional powers of parliament to protect himself but it’s not OK to enforce existing rules some time after they have been breached.
What a muppet.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
ZB is going batshit over this, and the overwhelming thrust of the debate is that this whole scenario is extremely distasteful.
I just want someone to bale up Helen Clark or Horomia and ask what was meant by “unpleasant repercussions”. This is obviously a measure of how much stock Labour is placing in Peters, but for gods sake why?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
We should not shoot, or roast for that matter, the messenger. Our attention should be directed to the 9th floor were this rubbish came from.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Simple – Ask every labour Mp from #1 downward if they were the one that Pita Sharples said tried to threaten him. Once they all deny it, Pita has no choice but to name names.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
slightlyrighty
Luigi just keeps on whispering those magic words into Helens ear thats why
BYW If I was a cartoonist I would draw a picture of the Titanic with the band playing the Last Waltz and Luigi and helen dancing together as the ship slowly disppears under the waves.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Why did Sharples go above the line with this in any case? They did the right thing in the PC, the public know they did the right thing; so kudo is theirs in any case.
If they are they see voters defecting Labour and are trying to woo Maori who are now floating then we can expect Sharples to NOT name the perp, particularly if it’s Horomia.
Adolf: As for choosing words carefully… your slow roasted spit image is far too graphic for my gentle disposition.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
The Main Stream Media will not get Horomia to spill his guts.
The avalanche would be fatal!
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
“And the band played Watzing Matilda”
Meanwhile no-one is now pressuring Winnie about the $158,000.
Source?
Which Charities?
Says a lot about the attention span of the masses!
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
good point david Time to pressure the MSM this issue
Come on you gutless wonders Ask the question Ask the question Cat got your tongues
Come on Guyon Fran M Fran O’S Paul Henry ( Oh forgot Weve already established hes a paid up STATE TV poodle) Whats the matter with you Has Heather threatened you again God What a bunch of soft cocks you all are.
Pathetic pussies.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
This must be the new level of transparency Helen promised. It must be the “progress” that Labour sychopants dribble on about. In reality, it has removed an element of illusion from average the voter – the element of hope; hope that the suspicion that politicians were corrupt or liars was untrue; hope that there is one among them who can put the nation ahead of their own gain; hope that the current political environment does not automatically filter out candidates who could make a positive change for NZ.
Labour has committed a moral crime – of removing hope. For that they will be reviled as any other destroyer of hope, in the records of history. Even Chris Trotter’s “necessary corruption” is based on the idea that there is still hope. But now we see just how hopeless things have become. The rot deepened under the Clark administration. Helen projected her traits onto Don Brash when she accused him of being a cancerous and corrosive influence on politics – that much is clear. His behaviour was gentlemanly, and short lived, compared to the acts of Helen Clark. It was her and her party that was the real threat to the collective impression of NZ politics.
Above all the social engineering of the last 9 years, Labour’s greatest progression was to remove integrity from politics.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Colin Espiner has some good commentary over at On The House
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
It was Horomia, he’s just sent me his media release and Its online here
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
“Error 404 – Not Found”, Dave? Nice to see Parekura is as eloquent as ever.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
sorry
try here
Vote:http://big-news.blogspot.com
September 24th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
sorry
try here
Vote:http://big-news.blogspot.com
September 24th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
http://big-news.blogspot.com/
Just edit out the kiwiblog url
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Adolf and Llew,
It’s not good enough to say “someone” tried to bribe the MP with $250,000 when we’ve come through three years of outrageous corruption and that information and associated phone records did not form part of an investigation.
Nor is it good enough to allege a threat over the Peters case without naming names and setting an investigation in train.
In the setting of the past three years of rorts, frauds, corruption, threats and lies it’s clear that Sharples and co have made serious allegations and have not taken action to have this part of the mess cleaned up. Instead they’ve politicised their allegations for gain and have become part of the problem instead of living up to their high words on honesty and integrity.
It’s all part of a disgraceful pattern that sees the Dominion yesterday leading with John Key’s contretemps and Winston’s disgrace relegated to page three.. and TV3 last night leading with (paraphased) “John Key’s Embarrassment” and followed by “Winston Gets Ticking Off”.. all this whilst today the media praise our top three ranking as the “World’s Least Corrupt Countries”.
Christ on a bike, can’t we see what a joke we’ve become?
A half century ago, Austin Mitchell wrote the “Half Gallon, Quarter Acre, Pavlova Paradise”, which was a polite way of hiding Jake The Muss, and Bill Pearson wrote “Fretful Sleepers” about more Jake The Muss types and a dozy nation that he reckoned would be one of the easiest to turn into a dictatorship because nobody could be bothered to fight it and anyway it would suit half the country.
That’s why “it isn’t good enough”.
(I’ll get me coat)
JC
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
It is Horomia. See below.
Minister disappointed by the Maori Party
Press Release by New Zealand Government at 4:04 pm, 24 Sep 2008
Minister of Maori Affairs, Parekura Horomia, today said he was extremely disappointed that one of his many conversations with Maori Party MP, Pita Sharples has been misrepresented.
“As the Minister of Maori Affairs I consult with Maori members from all political parties. I am in frequent contact with Pita Sharples over issues of mutual concern.
“During two of these conversations, we moved on to talk Winston Peters.
“Pita Sharples asked me to clarify what it meant for Winston to be censured. I declared my support for Winston, and asked how the Maori party was planning to vote. That is all that was discussed.
“At no point did I put any pressure on the Maori Party to support Winston Peters, neither did I issue any threats. I am deeply disappointed that my conversations with the Maori Party have been misrepresented in this way” Mr Horomia said
ENDS
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Will Horomia be convinced to lie down on the back seat of a ministerial limo when leaving Parliament?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
He would be more hidden if he sits upright
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
“..And send a copy of Absolute Power to them..”
or..
..a copy/vid of ‘hollow men’..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Keep on bonging, troll man…
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Well the media could play this one of two ways and given their ubiquitous overbearing unjustified-on-the-facts focus on Key last night it’ll be interesting to see if they favour Nat or Liarbore tonight.
I’m starting to think that even the reef fish are beginning to see through Hulun and her tripartite-pact axis and the more she makes ridiculous accusations the more people are beginning to suspect Liabore is only covering for that very accusation because it exists in themselves. FFS if they can’t see that it’s all dissembly then you have to wonder what’s gotta happen before they do.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
“FFS if they can’t see that it’s all dissembly then you have to wonder what’s gotta happen before they do.”
Evidence coming to light of whatever closet skeletons Labour is supposedly covering up might do it…?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
You tell me what Peters has over Clark, RRM.
She has taken a horrendous hit over this, for what. It’s blatently obvious Peters’ won’t get back and Mark won’t win Rimu.
Why does she take that pain when it would have much better to drop him early using a DB-P precedent as a justification. Liarbore would then be in a much better position at this point had it done so. Hulun is many things but not stupid and extremely astute. She would know this and would have, at that time.
There are a few possibilities of what it is but one things it most definitely isn’t, is that she needs Peters after the election. That’s not going to happen and Clark knows it.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
reid, I would like to tell you but I do not want demit points. Post us a hotmail or gmail address if you like.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
When you belong to a political party that is saturated in perversion, justice is always perverted.
Vote:Chuck, the entire Christchurch Courthouse staff knows what Winny has over Klarkula.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Ron Mark won’t win Rimutaka. If he’s thinking his old Army mates will support him, he’s dreaming.
They all know about the conviction. And quite a number are going to ask him about it during the election campaign.
Q. Thank you Mr Chairman. My question is to the NZ1 candidate. Don’t you think it is a bit hypocritical to use Parliamentary privilege to call another individual a paeodophile when you have a conviction for having had sex with a thirteen year-old?
A. She wasn’t thirteen. She was fifteen.
Q. Wasn’t she thirteen?
A. NO! She was fifteen!
Q. Yes, but she had the body of a thirteen year-old, didn’t she?
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Chuck Bird, you have peaked my interest.
Please send details to winnocent@hotmail.co.uk
Cheers!
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Thanks Chuck, I think I know what you mean and I don’t want demerits either
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Why is labour so loyal to Winston Peters that they would try to pervert the course of justice. that isn’t just refusing to fire him to keep the government together it is bending over backwards.
“this election is about trust and you can trust me… trust me to have a secret so huge that nothing else matters.”
Vote:or ‘trust me to do what I say, unless someone with dirt on me doesn’t want me to…”
September 24th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Duxton: if you don’t have a blog already – you really need to start one
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Oh – and chuck: send it my way too please: calebmagnani@gmail.com – thanks
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
slightlyrightly. It’s piqued not peaked. Call me old, but if you cannot even spell, you do not register on my radar.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Chuck – intrigued as well – please e-mail me at grantcorban@gmail.com
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
It’s obvious – because whatever IT is would completely fuck a campaign based on ‘trust’.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Hey – Philip Ure showed up! Hey Phil, do you still reckon the Maori Party will support Labour? I don’t
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
I’m a starter Chuck! inventory2@gmail.com
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Hey did anyone see Campbell hammering Peters tonight? It was very funny. I don’t like Campbell’s politics but his interview style is excellent.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Let me be the first to say it.
Winston is one sick puppy.
It’s funny really for years we thought he was just being a politician
But the man’s behaviour as demonstrated on both Closeup and Campbell Live
show that he is not dealing with the full deck anymore.
Perhaps Helen could put him on stress leave. It’s getting quite sickening watching him
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
radvad@windowslive.com
Thanks Chuck
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Hey – here are some posters for people who want to print and paste around the place
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September 24th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Having just seen Peters on “Cambell Live”, I have come to the conclusion that he is an absolute nutter. He makes no sense and has told so many lies that he no longer knows the truth.
According to some, the digging up of John Key’s share portfolio was funded by us. Will that money be declared? No, don’t think so. TVNZ ought to be ashamed of their reporting of this and should be hounding Clark as to why she won’t sack Peters. They are in her pocket, like many other govt depts.
I knew this govt was corrupt, but each day it gets worse. And I, too, wonder if we will be allowed to vote them out.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I don’t always agree with Maori Party policy, but I would back them 100% to tell the truth. They’re the kind of people that if they think you’re a wanker they would tell you to your face.
Even all the journalists say they have absolutely no reason not to believe Pita.
I hope Fonterra will get kicked off the front page tomorrow so that the general public can see what a “campaign run on trust” is really about.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Key also made a brilliant point last night on Campbell Live. He said at least when I make a mistake I front up to discuss it and come clean.
John Campbell made the point about 4 times during the interview that Klark was invited to come on the programme to debate with Key and discuss her acqusations and she turned it down.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Just watched a replay of Close Up, Winne was trying to make out he now recalled the phone call was all about Owen Glenn wanting the Honorary Consul post and a diplomatic passport. Unfortunately, Sainsbury too slow to jump in with how that all led onto his lawyer sending bank account details.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
haha yeah – his defense to lying to parliament seems to be to insinuate that he is criminally corrupt.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I wonder what Peters and Clark are doing behind the scenes to repay Glen.
That however was a really stupid remark by Peters. The media HAVE to now ask Peters exactly why his lawyer sent that email straight after discussing that issue. This is great.
At least now Hulun’s taken over the Liarbore campaign “strategy” we won’t be bored. It’s funny too. I mean look at them. Real try hards, aren’t they.
Vote:September 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Give me John Key any day !!!
It is human to make a mistake and human to acknowledge it.
BUT it is totally unhuman to deny you have even made a mistake and further attack any one else that remotely questions it.
A vote for Winston First is a vote for Labour!!
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 12:14 am
djprosser2002@yahoo.com
thanks Chuck
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 12:33 am
oh and me chuck
kiwiexpat007@googlemail.com
thanks chuck
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Chuck
Me at
murraymochan@yahoo.co.nz
Thanks
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Hi Chuck,
Me too: mannanfb@yahoo.com
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Can someone please post Chuck Bird’s revelations on here for me? I don’t feel safe posting my email address, Micky might have some taxpayer funded lackies trace it and send Parekura round.
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I think David would be visited by heavier people than Horomia if he did.
Vote:September 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Why should Gerry Brownlee care?
Vote:September 26th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Someone could post it on another blog like WOBH (he doesn’t seem the sort to mind a bit of gossip), unless it is the one he has already mentioned.
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