Sharples says Labour tried to “pervert the course of justice”

September 24th, 2008 at 1:04 pm by David Farrar

Not only were turning a blind eye to Peters corruption, they were threatening and lobbying other parties to do the same.

NZPA reports:

co-leader says a New Zealand First staffer and Government minister tried to put pressure on his party over how it would vote in yesterday’s censure motion against Winston Peters. …

“I personally had two separate phone calls from a senior minister urging me to vote in favour of Winston, and suggesting that there would be unpleasant repercussions from Maori people if I didn’t,” he said in a statement….

“Both (fellow co-leader) Tariana Turia and myself were disgusted with this kind of activity, aimed at perverting the course of justice and fair play.”

Labour First are quite simply a corrupt party, and they should go.

The Prime Minister’s hypocrisy is unmatched on this. She claims the outcome of the was not credible because of partisan politics, and her own Ministers are trying to heavy and threaten the Maori Party to vote against, despite their belief in the evidence.

The same Prime Minister who has not even read a copy of the Privileges Committee report, yet says there is nothing in it that would casue her to drop Winston.

UPDATE: the full press release from Sharples is over the break

Maori Party Disgusted at the Winston Peters’ Attack
Dr Pita R Sharples, Co-leader 24 September 2008

Dr Sharples, Co-leader of the Maori Party today poo-poohed the personalised attack on the Maori Party by NZ First Leader, Winston Peters.

“I emphatically reject Mr Peters’ criticism of us “riding the waves of sentiment” by publicly supporting him, and then “selling him out,” said Dr Sharples.

“Our stand has never been about Winston Peters – it’s about accountability and integrity, and these principles are important for every MP, not matter who they are.

“All of us in the Maori Party have deliberately refrained from criticising Mr Peters in the public arena – in fact we have gone to considerable lengths to point out to his detractors his considerable achievements within his current ministerial portfolio, and over the years. In addition, both my Co-leader Tariana Turia and I have offered our personal best wishes to Winston to see him through this enquiry,” he said.

“More importantly, the Maori Party refrained from jumping to any conclusions about his behaviour until we had seen and heard all the evidence presented to the Privileges Committee.”

Dr Sharples said the party’s representative on the Privileges Committee, Te Ururoa Flavell, presented a very clear analysis of his findings on the matter to the House yesterday at 4.00pm. “The Maori Party concurred with his analysis and, therefore, despite any personal feelings of support for Winston, our caucus was well prepared to make the hard call on his behaviour on the basis of the evidence provided,” he said.

“An attack on our credibility over this issue by Winston is totally out of order, and without any substance at all,” said Dr Sharples. “The Maori Party values its political integrity and has spent three years in the house – walking our talk.

Dr Sharples said he was not only taken aback by the personal attack from Winston Peters, but was disappointed at the personal lobbying by a NZ First staffer and a government Minister over the past weekend to influence the Maori Party’s decision prior to the vote.

“I personally had two separate phone calls from a senior Minister urging me to vote in favour of Winston, and suggesting that there would be unpleasant repercussions from Maori people if I didn’t. Both Tariana Turia and myself were disgusted with this kind of activity, aimed at perverting the course of justice and fair play.

“But one thing Winston Peters said is right, and that is – the people will decide on November 8. His populist antics versus our integrity,” said Dr Sharples.

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103 Responses to “Sharples says Labour tried to “pervert the course of justice””

  1. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Names please Pita. Names.

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  2. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Ive said it before Clark and Cullen have seriously pissed off the Greens and the Maori Party over this. Even if and at this point its a huge if the Socialists got more votes than the Nats would the Greens and the Maori Party want to work with them if it also included working with Luigi if Labour First engineer Marks into Rimutaka.

    I dont think so After being shat on by Clark Cullen and now we know heavied as well why would they Better to give support to the Nats and get something in return than be labelled with the Socialists.

    This has played out far better than any of us could have dreamed about. In the end Clarks ego and personal reputation is more important to her than the survival of the Labour Party

    Like all venal feral political creatures its all about them and noone else

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  3. pdm (842 comments) says:

    It would have to be either Cullen or Mallard wouldn’t it.

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  4. David Farrar (1,869 comments) says:

    Sounds like it was Horomia.

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  5. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    What’s he gonna do DPF? Stick Pita in a hangi and eat him?

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  6. alex Masterley (1,495 comments) says:

    The more I see and hear from Dr Sharples, Tariana Turia and Mr Harawira the more impressed with them I become. They have integrity in spades. So much so that I don’t think Dr Sharples would pot his caller, much as though we would like him to.

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  7. PhilBest (5,117 comments) says:

    It is a pity that the Maori Party isn’t more about Pita Sharples and less about Hone Harawira……

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  8. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    I vote for Mallard.

    I hope that the identity of this person is made public. It needs to be so. I would actually call Hone and see if he would give us the name. He may be a bit of a maverick, but in my experience he calls a spade a spade.

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  9. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    David, my first thought is wow this is huge. BUT-

    1. the MSM need to climb all over this – will they? – Francesca, are you there?

    2. To really be credible, Pita needs to name names- not just make aspersions. If needs be, he needs to copmplain to the police or the relavant body. Will he?

    Pita – politicians have a very low credibility and trust rating as you know. But we need you. Good on you for voting in line with the majority of the Privileges Committee. The greater majority of NZ can see the truth over this. BUT WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP VACUUM IN PARLIAMENT – INDEED, ITS AN HONESTY VACUUM. PLEASE STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH AND INTEGRITY AND WHAT YOUR AND MY FOREFATHERS BELIEVED IN AND FOUGHT FOR AND NAME NAMES. WE ARE ALL BEHIND YOU – ANYONE WITH MORAL FIBRE AND CHARACTER WILL BE

    DPF – why dont you personally agitate for this as well – you’re better connected than us – rather than just reporting it?

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  10. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    This could be the beginning of the end of the Labour Party as a major force Clark and Cullen may have bought about the start of a collapse that will see the Labour Party consigned to minor party status not this election but in the future.

    A falling away of support and funding and lose of administrative and other key supporters whose morals and ethics are no longer in alignment with the leadership

    This is how it plays out Individuals making decisions that they no longer wish to be associated with a tainted and damaged brand.

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  11. Burrt Badger (21 comments) says:

    And Helen Clark has the affrontery to call other MP’s “Slippery”
    This is cynical manipulation/corruption at its worst.
    Having been overseas for 10 days, I thought I would arrive back to find that the “Peters Affair” was done and dusted, but no, I arrive back to hear the Prime Minister making derogatory comments about the Privileges Committee, the SFO and the Crown Law Office and still defending him.
    This woman (and her Deputy) would have to be the most moraly bereft, manipulative, self serving, power hungry despots to have EVER held the Offices of Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister in the history of this country. I may have only been voting for 30 years, but I cannot recall anything even close to the current situation.

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  12. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    “Our stand has never been about Winston Peters – it’s about accountability and integrity, and these principles are important for every MP, not matter who they are.”

    Fine words. OBVIOUSLY it’s all about accountability and intergrity, and not one jot about whether they thought in the past they may have been able to negotiate his support on something…

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  13. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!

    Back in 1996, when Winston was promoting himself and his followers as a rational, centre of the compass, alternative to vote for, he positioned himself as above the pettiness of philosophical politics and the one sane voice of the needs of the day. He maintained that position through five elections. In the last of those five he added the fact that he was above the ‘baubles of office’ and was still only interested in being the peoples’ champion.

    In 1999, Helen Clark ran a campaign, followed by two more in 02 and 05, on being above the ‘me for my sake’ politics of the National party, and wanting to do the right, and ethical, things for New Zealand.

    Today they are still above one thing at least – The Law!

    No matter if it is the ‘laws’ of the institution of Parliament, the Laws of the land, or the laws of good principal, these two, and their followers, have positioned themselves above them. Why then should anyone be surprised that, not having read the committee report, H1 can say there’s nothing in it that causes her concern regarding Mr Peters, or that she should send the bully boys out to threaten a minor party, or even that she should buy the last election with money from the public purse and a Rich Bastard?

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  14. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    RRM, you keep wanking on about keeping someone on side in case you need their support in the future.

    Would you be happy if someone said to your sister/mother/daughter “sure, I’ll give you a job, if you suck my cock”?

    Or further still, would you drop to your knees and take a shot in the mouth to curry favour?

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  15. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    Your choice of metaphor is quite interesting. I’d have to be pretty drunk to do it for Winston…

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  16. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    alex Masterley “They have integrity in spades. So much so that I don’t think Dr Sharples would pot his caller, much as though we would like him to.”

    Why is it a matter of integrity that if someone calls you and tries to blackmail you to keep said blackmailers identity secret? I would have thought that for the sake of intergrity in the whole parliamentary process any minister trying to blackmail another must be exposed and booted out.

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  17. david (2,548 comments) says:

    Standard question that should be asked of NZ1 and LP candidates at every opportunity during the campaign is “How sore is your nose?, You must have been holding it very hard for a long time over the Peters issue”

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  18. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    You’d probably have to ask him to stand on a footstool too, unless you have very short thigh bones.

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  19. Sam (498 comments) says:

    Couldn’t agree more with you Hagues – outing the threatmakers is the only way of maintaining integrity. Anything else, and Sharples can only be seen as protecting his corrupt colleagues in the House – that is to say, he is actually an accessory to the corruption (as well as being a victim of the threat).

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  20. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Sounds like it was Horomia.

    Didn’t he pick a crap time to stop being bilingual in gibberish? And with all due respect to Sharples (and I have a lot) he doesn’t have any debt of honour towards people who make rather squalid threats like that. As they say in Boston, politics ain’t beanbag but it’s not The Sopranos either. Or it shouldn’t be.

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  21. Inventory2 (10,162 comments) says:

    I reckoned Horomia as well

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/09/dirty-tricks-from-labourfirst.html

    You can trust Labour eh!

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  22. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,815 comments) says:

    RRM your 1.27 says everything that ever needs to be said about your character. You are soooooo Labour.

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  23. farfetched (23 comments) says:

    Standards in NZ politics have slipped so far far you would think they could fall any further. But what is outrageous today is common place tomorrow.

    If the RRMs of this world haven’t woken up by now, they never will.

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  24. Gravyman62 (37 comments) says:

    Your choice of metaphor is quite interesting. I’d have to be pretty drunk to do it for Winston…
    But you’d still do it?

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  25. JC (930 comments) says:

    So what have we got. An allegation that in 2005 someone approached the MP and offered $250,000 to coalesce with Labour, and now two threats from Labour and NZ1st to vote for Winston. No names or pack drill on either event.

    Sorry, not good enough.

    JC

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  26. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    Sorry, not good enough

    For what?

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  27. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    Given that MMP is all about negotiated agreements between parties that decide they can stomach similar policies after all, I said I thought it was rich and a bit meaningless for Sharples (by extension from “the leader of any party”) to claim what he did and refuse to acknowledge political expediency as a factor even one little bit.

    But you lot go ahead and make whatever you want out of that :-P

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  28. kisekiman (224 comments) says:

    So you wouldn’t rule it out then RRM? Labour thru and thru.

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  29. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,815 comments) says:

    On the contrary, JC. Not good enough for what? For the media to follow up? I think it’s plenty good enough for that. God knows they’ve gone to town on National with a lot less many times. I’d be interested to see if there is a question in the house today (Is it sitting?) Further interested to see if Dr Sharples follows up with a detailed letter to the Speaker.

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  30. wreck1080 (3,787 comments) says:

    I’ve never heard DPF call labour corrupt. A very strong word.

    I don’t know they are hugely corrupt, just they are taking baby steps that way. At the very least they are lowering standards of acceptability.

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  31. Fairfacts Media (371 comments) says:

    But but Transparency International says New Zealand is one of the least corrupt countries in the World.
    Don’t they follow our politics?
    Or do they just get a press release from Liarbour.
    Somebody needs to send them some of our papers and emails.
    And send a copy of Absolute Power to them.

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  32. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Holy.crap!

    Its just getting more open by the day. I ask again, are we going to be permitted to even hold an election?

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  33. m_c (26 comments) says:

    Nothing surprises me anymore. How much more will be blown apart, how much deeper does it go?

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  34. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Can someone answer this Is Pita Sharples not compelled by Standing Orders or some other requirement to report the matters he has complained of.

    I would have thought that any interference or intimidation of a member by another member would be a very serious offence and covered by the Parliament rules

    If not why not.

    Does he also have an obligation to report these matters to the Police and if not is he concealing a crime and should the Police be called upon to investigate.

    can a citizen reqire the Police to investigate by bringing the matter to their attention

    Oh I forgot Howie Broads issued instructions that Plod will not investigate the Socialists or any of their friends for the time being

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  35. Inventory2 (10,162 comments) says:

    2pm Newstalk ZB bulletin led with this – “Maori Party accuses senior government Minister of blackmail”. And Barry Soper says it is Horomia, even though Sharples hasn’t said as much.

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  36. Inventory2 (10,162 comments) says:

    Soper is on ZB now

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  37. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Being threatened by that fat fucker? What did he say, ‘get in ma belly’? The iwi will all be pleased when he gets the boot as it drives their catering bills through the roof.

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  38. dc (173 comments) says:

    I wonder what the Maori Party would make of Trotter’s assertion that they are basically race traitors for “putting the boot into one of their own people”.

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  39. alex Masterley (1,495 comments) says:

    Hmmm, assuming it is Horomia, and we only have Mr Sopers belief that it was then he can only be the messenger. He is not smart enough to come up with the idea himself given that he stopped off at the pie shop when the good lord was handing out brains.

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  40. PhilBest (5,117 comments) says:

    This needs to be “high noon” for Labour’s relationship with Maori. Sharples and Co need to stand their ground. It would be a tragedy if Labour’s threats over Maori feelings right now had substance; it would be a tragedy if this did translate into a rebound in support for Labour/NZ First FROM MAORI.

    Pleeeze say it ain’t so…….

    Can someone please reassure us on this?

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  41. GPT1 (2,101 comments) says:

    Hmmm, without naming names and details this seems a bit of a beat up (not that it doesn’t deserve air time). I do not see lobbying perverting the course of justice (although it smells). The allegation of “repercussions” certainly is more serious.

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  42. big bruv (13,515 comments) says:

    Is it not blindingly obvious who the Labour person was?, Pita does not want to shit on one of the “bro’s”.

    As much as I want this story to go large it cannot and should not unless Sharples is prepared to say who it was that approached him from Labour and NZF.

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  43. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    This explains why the spin after Winston’s censure was so pathetic.

    Arrogant Labour probably thought they could lean on the Maori Party like they lean on Winston
    and pressure them into not voting for the censure.

    Their game plan was probably to have the privileges committee to come back with a non-censure
    Then Helen could say – I told you so.

    Trouble was, the Maori Party couldn’t be bought, so they hadn’t planned any spin for what was the
    outcome of the vote.

    It all makes sense.

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  44. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,815 comments) says:

    It sounds like Parekura’s style to me. He will have been deputed by his leader who will deny all knowledge now that the whistle is blown. So Mr Horomia will be left, slowly roasting on a spit. And by hell, that will take a long time.

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  45. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    iif we had a MSM worthy of the name they would go after Horomia and get him to spill his guts on who put him up to it.

    But they wont

    Socialists running dogs that they are

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  46. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,815 comments) says:

    gd, please choose your words more carefully. This is a family blog, you know.

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  47. burt (7,950 comments) says:

    Winston is a complete fool, either that or he thinks the public are complete fools.

    See stuff: Peters says Maori Party betrayed him

    Mr Peters said the motion was wrong because it retrospectively applied new rules about declarations.

    Is this the same man who voted to retrospectively apply new rules about spending?

    So it’s OK when it’s good for Winston Peters to actually use the unconventional powers of parliament to protect himself but it’s not OK to enforce existing rules some time after they have been breached.

    What a muppet.

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  48. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    ZB is going batshit over this, and the overwhelming thrust of the debate is that this whole scenario is extremely distasteful.

    I just want someone to bale up Helen Clark or Horomia and ask what was meant by “unpleasant repercussions”. This is obviously a measure of how much stock Labour is placing in Peters, but for gods sake why?

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  49. alex Masterley (1,495 comments) says:

    We should not shoot, or roast for that matter, the messenger. Our attention should be directed to the 9th floor were this rubbish came from.

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  50. Brian Smaller (4,017 comments) says:

    Simple – Ask every labour Mp from #1 downward if they were the one that Pita Sharples said tried to threaten him. Once they all deny it, Pita has no choice but to name names.

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  51. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    slightlyrighty

    Luigi just keeps on whispering those magic words into Helens ear thats why

    BYW If I was a cartoonist I would draw a picture of the Titanic with the band playing the Last Waltz and Luigi and helen dancing together as the ship slowly disppears under the waves.

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  52. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Why did Sharples go above the line with this in any case? They did the right thing in the PC, the public know they did the right thing; so kudo is theirs in any case.

    If they are they see voters defecting Labour and are trying to woo Maori who are now floating then we can expect Sharples to NOT name the perp, particularly if it’s Horomia.

    Adolf: As for choosing words carefully… your slow roasted spit image is far too graphic for my gentle disposition.

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  53. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    The Main Stream Media will not get Horomia to spill his guts.

    The avalanche would be fatal!

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  54. david (2,548 comments) says:

    “And the band played Watzing Matilda”

    Meanwhile no-one is now pressuring Winnie about the $158,000.

    Source?
    Which Charities?

    Says a lot about the attention span of the masses!

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  55. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    good point david Time to pressure the MSM this issue

    Come on you gutless wonders Ask the question Ask the question Cat got your tongues

    Come on Guyon Fran M Fran O’S Paul Henry ( Oh forgot Weve already established hes a paid up STATE TV poodle) Whats the matter with you Has Heather threatened you again God What a bunch of soft cocks you all are.

    Pathetic pussies.

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  56. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    This must be the new level of transparency Helen promised. It must be the “progress” that Labour sychopants dribble on about. In reality, it has removed an element of illusion from average the voter – the element of hope; hope that the suspicion that politicians were corrupt or liars was untrue; hope that there is one among them who can put the nation ahead of their own gain; hope that the current political environment does not automatically filter out candidates who could make a positive change for NZ.

    Labour has committed a moral crime – of removing hope. For that they will be reviled as any other destroyer of hope, in the records of history. Even Chris Trotter’s “necessary corruption” is based on the idea that there is still hope. But now we see just how hopeless things have become. The rot deepened under the Clark administration. Helen projected her traits onto Don Brash when she accused him of being a cancerous and corrosive influence on politics – that much is clear. His behaviour was gentlemanly, and short lived, compared to the acts of Helen Clark. It was her and her party that was the real threat to the collective impression of NZ politics.

    Above all the social engineering of the last 9 years, Labour’s greatest progression was to remove integrity from politics.

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  57. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,815 comments) says:

    Colin Espiner has some good commentary over at On The House

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  58. dave (985 comments) says:

    It was Horomia, he’s just sent me his media release and Its online here

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  59. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    “Error 404 – Not Found”, Dave? Nice to see Parekura is as eloquent as ever. :)

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  60. dave (985 comments) says:

    sorry

    try here
    http://big-news.blogspot.com

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  61. dave (985 comments) says:

    sorry

    try here
    http://big-news.blogspot.com

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  62. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    http://big-news.blogspot.com/

    Just edit out the kiwiblog url

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  63. JC (930 comments) says:

    Adolf and Llew,

    It’s not good enough to say “someone” tried to bribe the MP with $250,000 when we’ve come through three years of outrageous corruption and that information and associated phone records did not form part of an investigation.

    Nor is it good enough to allege a threat over the Peters case without naming names and setting an investigation in train.

    In the setting of the past three years of rorts, frauds, corruption, threats and lies it’s clear that Sharples and co have made serious allegations and have not taken action to have this part of the mess cleaned up. Instead they’ve politicised their allegations for gain and have become part of the problem instead of living up to their high words on honesty and integrity.

    It’s all part of a disgraceful pattern that sees the Dominion yesterday leading with John Key’s contretemps and Winston’s disgrace relegated to page three.. and TV3 last night leading with (paraphased) “John Key’s Embarrassment” and followed by “Winston Gets Ticking Off”.. all this whilst today the media praise our top three ranking as the “World’s Least Corrupt Countries”.

    Christ on a bike, can’t we see what a joke we’ve become?

    A half century ago, Austin Mitchell wrote the “Half Gallon, Quarter Acre, Pavlova Paradise”, which was a polite way of hiding Jake The Muss, and Bill Pearson wrote “Fretful Sleepers” about more Jake The Muss types and a dozy nation that he reckoned would be one of the easiest to turn into a dictatorship because nobody could be bothered to fight it and anyway it would suit half the country.

    That’s why “it isn’t good enough”.

    (I’ll get me coat)

    JC

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  64. Hoolian (220 comments) says:

    It is Horomia. See below.

    Minister disappointed by the Maori Party

    Press Release by New Zealand Government at 4:04 pm, 24 Sep 2008

    Minister of Maori Affairs, Parekura Horomia, today said he was extremely disappointed that one of his many conversations with Maori Party MP, Pita Sharples has been misrepresented.

    “As the Minister of Maori Affairs I consult with Maori members from all political parties. I am in frequent contact with Pita Sharples over issues of mutual concern.

    “During two of these conversations, we moved on to talk Winston Peters.

    “Pita Sharples asked me to clarify what it meant for Winston to be censured. I declared my support for Winston, and asked how the Maori party was planning to vote. That is all that was discussed.

    “At no point did I put any pressure on the Maori Party to support Winston Peters, neither did I issue any threats. I am deeply disappointed that my conversations with the Maori Party have been misrepresented in this way” Mr Horomia said

    ENDS

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  65. GerryandthePM (328 comments) says:

    Will Horomia be convinced to lie down on the back seat of a ministerial limo when leaving Parliament?

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  66. burt (7,950 comments) says:

    Will Horomia be convinced to lie down on the back seat of a ministerial limo when leaving Parliament?

    He would be more hidden if he sits upright :-)

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  67. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..And send a copy of Absolute Power to them..”

    or..

    ..a copy/vid of ‘hollow men’..?

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  68. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Keep on bonging, troll man…

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  69. reid (16,074 comments) says:

    Well the media could play this one of two ways and given their ubiquitous overbearing unjustified-on-the-facts focus on Key last night it’ll be interesting to see if they favour Nat or Liarbore tonight.

    I’m starting to think that even the reef fish are beginning to see through Hulun and her tripartite-pact axis and the more she makes ridiculous accusations the more people are beginning to suspect Liabore is only covering for that very accusation because it exists in themselves. FFS if they can’t see that it’s all dissembly then you have to wonder what’s gotta happen before they do.

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  70. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    “FFS if they can’t see that it’s all dissembly then you have to wonder what’s gotta happen before they do.”

    Evidence coming to light of whatever closet skeletons Labour is supposedly covering up might do it…?

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  71. reid (16,074 comments) says:

    You tell me what Peters has over Clark, RRM.

    She has taken a horrendous hit over this, for what. It’s blatently obvious Peters’ won’t get back and Mark won’t win Rimu.

    Why does she take that pain when it would have much better to drop him early using a DB-P precedent as a justification. Liarbore would then be in a much better position at this point had it done so. Hulun is many things but not stupid and extremely astute. She would know this and would have, at that time.

    There are a few possibilities of what it is but one things it most definitely isn’t, is that she needs Peters after the election. That’s not going to happen and Clark knows it.

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  72. Chuck Bird (4,741 comments) says:

    reid, I would like to tell you but I do not want demit points. Post us a hotmail or gmail address if you like.

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  73. dad4justice (7,926 comments) says:

    When you belong to a political party that is saturated in perversion, justice is always perverted.
    Chuck, the entire Christchurch Courthouse staff knows what Winny has over Klarkula.

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  74. Duxton (589 comments) says:

    Ron Mark won’t win Rimutaka. If he’s thinking his old Army mates will support him, he’s dreaming.

    They all know about the conviction. And quite a number are going to ask him about it during the election campaign.

    Q. Thank you Mr Chairman. My question is to the NZ1 candidate. Don’t you think it is a bit hypocritical to use Parliamentary privilege to call another individual a paeodophile when you have a conviction for having had sex with a thirteen year-old?

    A. She wasn’t thirteen. She was fifteen.

    Q. Wasn’t she thirteen?

    A. NO! She was fifteen!

    Q. Yes, but she had the body of a thirteen year-old, didn’t she?

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  75. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird, you have peaked my interest.

    Please send details to winnocent@hotmail.co.uk

    Cheers!

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  76. reid (16,074 comments) says:

    Thanks Chuck, I think I know what you mean and I don’t want demerits either :)

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  77. GNZ (228 comments) says:

    Why is labour so loyal to Winston Peters that they would try to pervert the course of justice. that isn’t just refusing to fire him to keep the government together it is bending over backwards.

    “this election is about trust and you can trust me… trust me to have a secret so huge that nothing else matters.”
    or ‘trust me to do what I say, unless someone with dirt on me doesn’t want me to…”

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  78. WraithX (295 comments) says:

    Duxton: if you don’t have a blog already – you really need to start one :)

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  79. WraithX (295 comments) says:

    Oh – and chuck: send it my way too please: calebmagnani@gmail.com – thanks :)

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  80. mara (744 comments) says:

    slightlyrightly. It’s piqued not peaked. Call me old, but if you cannot even spell, you do not register on my radar.

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  81. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    Chuck – intrigued as well – please e-mail me at grantcorban@gmail.com

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  82. NeillR (349 comments) says:

    Why does she take that pain when it would have much better to drop him early

    It’s obvious – because whatever IT is would completely fuck a campaign based on ‘trust’.

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  83. Inventory2 (10,162 comments) says:

    Hey – Philip Ure showed up! Hey Phil, do you still reckon the Maori Party will support Labour? I don’t ;-)

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  84. Inventory2 (10,162 comments) says:

    I’m a starter Chuck! inventory2@gmail.com

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  85. reid (16,074 comments) says:

    Hey did anyone see Campbell hammering Peters tonight? It was very funny. I don’t like Campbell’s politics but his interview style is excellent.

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  86. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    Let me be the first to say it.
    Winston is one sick puppy.

    It’s funny really for years we thought he was just being a politician

    But the man’s behaviour as demonstrated on both Closeup and Campbell Live
    show that he is not dealing with the full deck anymore.

    Perhaps Helen could put him on stress leave. It’s getting quite sickening watching him

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  87. radvad (689 comments) says:

    radvad@windowslive.com

    Thanks Chuck

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  88. WraithX (295 comments) says:

    Hey – here are some posters for people who want to print and paste around the place :)

    http://sites.google.com/site/savenewzealand/Home/cullenbanner.pdf
    http://sites.google.com/site/savenewzealand/Home/helenbanner.pdf
    http://sites.google.com/site/savenewzealand/Home/suebradford.pdf

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  89. peanut (139 comments) says:

    Having just seen Peters on “Cambell Live”, I have come to the conclusion that he is an absolute nutter. He makes no sense and has told so many lies that he no longer knows the truth.

    According to some, the digging up of John Key’s share portfolio was funded by us. Will that money be declared? No, don’t think so. TVNZ ought to be ashamed of their reporting of this and should be hounding Clark as to why she won’t sack Peters. They are in her pocket, like many other govt depts.

    I knew this govt was corrupt, but each day it gets worse. And I, too, wonder if we will be allowed to vote them out.

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  90. Southern Raider (1,706 comments) says:

    I don’t always agree with Maori Party policy, but I would back them 100% to tell the truth. They’re the kind of people that if they think you’re a wanker they would tell you to your face.

    Even all the journalists say they have absolutely no reason not to believe Pita.

    I hope Fonterra will get kicked off the front page tomorrow so that the general public can see what a “campaign run on trust” is really about.

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  91. Southern Raider (1,706 comments) says:

    Key also made a brilliant point last night on Campbell Live. He said at least when I make a mistake I front up to discuss it and come clean.

    John Campbell made the point about 4 times during the interview that Klark was invited to come on the programme to debate with Key and discuss her acqusations and she turned it down.

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  92. 1984 (89 comments) says:

    Just watched a replay of Close Up, Winne was trying to make out he now recalled the phone call was all about Owen Glenn wanting the Honorary Consul post and a diplomatic passport. Unfortunately, Sainsbury too slow to jump in with how that all led onto his lawyer sending bank account details.

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  93. GNZ (228 comments) says:

    haha yeah – his defense to lying to parliament seems to be to insinuate that he is criminally corrupt.

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  94. reid (16,074 comments) says:

    Just watched a replay of Close Up, Winne was trying to make out he now recalled the phone call was all about Owen Glenn wanting the Honorary Consul post and a diplomatic passport. Unfortunately, Sainsbury too slow to jump in with how that all led onto his lawyer sending bank account details.

    I wonder what Peters and Clark are doing behind the scenes to repay Glen.

    That however was a really stupid remark by Peters. The media HAVE to now ask Peters exactly why his lawyer sent that email straight after discussing that issue. This is great.

    At least now Hulun’s taken over the Liarbore campaign “strategy” we won’t be bored. It’s funny too. I mean look at them. Real try hards, aren’t they.

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  95. polemic (396 comments) says:

    Give me John Key any day !!!

    It is human to make a mistake and human to acknowledge it.

    BUT it is totally unhuman to deny you have even made a mistake and further attack any one else that remotely questions it.

    A vote for Winston First is a vote for Labour!!

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  96. DJP6-25 (1,296 comments) says:

    djprosser2002@yahoo.com

    thanks Chuck

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  97. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    oh and me chuck

    kiwiexpat007@googlemail.com

    thanks chuck

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  98. Murray M (455 comments) says:

    Chuck
    Me at

    murraymochan@yahoo.co.nz

    Thanks

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  99. Wanderer (30 comments) says:

    Hi Chuck,

    Me too: mannanfb@yahoo.com

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  100. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Can someone please post Chuck Bird’s revelations on here for me? I don’t feel safe posting my email address, Micky might have some taxpayer funded lackies trace it and send Parekura round.

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  101. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    I think David would be visited by heavier people than Horomia if he did.

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  102. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Why should Gerry Brownlee care?

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  103. GNZ (228 comments) says:

    Someone could post it on another blog like WOBH (he doesn’t seem the sort to mind a bit of gossip), unless it is the one he has already mentioned.

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