The Glenn hearing

September 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm by David Farrar

We are all queued outside waiting to be allowed in. Huge amount of media here. No sign of Glenn yet.

Glenn has arrived and we are now in the room.

Glenn has just named Williams as having agreed helping Peters would help .

Also tabled an affidavit from a witness to Peters thanking Glenn.

Glenn has confirmed again he would not have donated without having the ok from .

There is also a phone record showing a call to or from peters office phone around the time of the donation.

My God how desperate. is suggesting he was accidentally talking to Wayne Peters who had borrowed Winston’s cellphone and sounds like him!!

Glenn says that Mike Williams was going to clear his donation with colleagues. It is unthinkable that would not include Helen. So she may have known since 2005.

Glenn says he likes Winston who is a great character. This is about telling truth.

Cullen also pushing the notion that someone else answered Winston’s cellphone and pretended to be him.

Has just said Peters is very skilled at asking for donations. Remember Peters says he nevers solicits donations.

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157 Responses to “The Glenn hearing”

  1. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Bah this Owen Glenn thing a sideshow. We all know the “real” news is Trev the Muss and his leaked also ran policies!!!

    Address the issues Mr Farrar!

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  2. dime (9,847 comments) says:

    heh judging by what i read in the herald.. glenns quotes. helen & co are toast! he’s not happy!

    something about “politicians come and go” lol

    maybe he should relook at his beliefs and change to the dark side :)

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  3. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    williams fingered and a witness to the thanks…….. Happy days.

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  4. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Is it true he just cut National a honking big cheque?

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  5. Tim Ellis (251 comments) says:

    I wonder, whether when Mike Williams met with Owen Glenn on Glenn’s yacht a couple of weeks ago, if Williams gave Glenn advice on what he should tell the Privileges Committee?

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  6. dime (9,847 comments) says:

    murray – ill die laughing if he has.. hes using the “owen glenn” clause to donate HAHAHAHAHAHA

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  7. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    There is nothing as damaging to socialists as the truth. Without deceipt and spin they are sunk….

    Long live democracy and integrity – give that man his honory consulate – he has earned it by acting in the best interests of NZ by exposing the lies and corruption at the very core of our democratic process.

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  8. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Paul Moroneys signed a affadavit that he was with Luigi and Glen at Karaka in 2006 the horse sales that Luigi says he wasnt at.

    The horse racing fraternity are turning on Luigi big time hes a gonna

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  9. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    Surely now, not even the forces of evil that pass for Labour cannot escape this one.

    Unless they claim that Williams was confused as he spent so much time overseas on luxury yachts sucking up to big business for secret donations that he just got confused……

    Winston is a liar and like all liars he has been caught out as the lie just got too complicated….and he lied about someone who isn’t afraid of him.

    The lying prick can bluff, bully and bluster all he likes. Surely he is gone.

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  10. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    “J…, 4…”

    “Hit… You sunk my battleship!”

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  11. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    That was rather my point dime.

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  12. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    Peter’s must be sacked TODAY!
    Clark must now name a date TODAY!
    Game set match.

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  13. dime (9,847 comments) says:

    honestly though… will anything come of this?

    wont helen just laugh it off as usual “quite frankly i think the people of new zealand are sick of hearing about it and so am i?”

    thats how she rolls!

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  14. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    Michaels

    (in a deep voice)

    It’s not in the best interests of Labour NZ to sack Winston!

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  15. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    And as Owen Glenn says

    … he contacted Mike Williams to check whether he would have any problems with him donating to Winston.

    So,
    Winston solicited the donation
    Mike Wlliams was rung before the donation was given (one can assume he told Helen)

    which gives a whole new slant on Helen’s “conflict of evidence” story

    The jungle drums were right all along!!!
    Check
    Check Mate

    This also explains why Helen pre-released to the media last week that she knew about the donation.

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  16. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    My fav lines from the Herald:

    He told the NZ Herald he would fight back against “everyone having a field day on my reputation”, and he likened the attacks to a “like a school yard squabble.”

    “I would have thought our MPs would behave in a better manner all round. They should be running the country. I think New Zealanders have a right to be better represented.

    == Delicious ==

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  17. Dock (43 comments) says:

    Man o Man this is one of the happiest days of recent times.

    I have watched these self serving prats suck from the tax payers teat for far too long.

    Helen Clark is doomed.

    She must have known about it.
    Mike Williams would not have ok ed the donation without her knowledge and approval.

    Where the hell are you now Philu

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  18. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    If Williams knew, then Clark should have. I cannot imagine any scenario where Williams, on witnessing the carry-on of Peters vs the press, would not have informed Clark.

    What is Clarks innocent explanation now???

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  19. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    The Mike Williams link – explains the denial and Helen’s complicity in the lie. I noted on Monday morning on the TV she was at pains to outline that she has no knowledge of how funds are raised. Funny she said that. No one asked her.

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  20. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..(one can assume he told Helen)..”

    um..!..no..!..

    ..traditionally the party leader keeps an arms length from fundraising..

    ..that is williams’ job..

    ..he is the money-man for labour..

    ..so him knowing anything dosen’t mean clark knows/knew..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  21. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    Oh fuck off Phil, even you cannot really believe that crap.

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  22. Inventory2 (10,290 comments) says:

    So Lee – are you still voting Labour then?

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  23. dime (9,847 comments) says:

    but but don brash met with the brethrens..

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  24. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    This is the same fat liar who offered his resignation to clarke over the glenn loan scandal, but we are expected to believe williams did not clear it with the virgin queen first.

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  25. Inventory2 (10,290 comments) says:

    Philip Ure said “..traditionally the party leader keeps an arms length from fundraising..

    ..that is williams’ job..

    ..he is the money-man for labour..

    ..so him knowing anything dosen’t mean clark knows/knew..”

    If that’s the case Phil, and I don’t believe for a minute that it is, why has Williams TWICE this year offered his resignation as NZLP President to Helen Clark, and not to the General Secretary of the NZLP?

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  26. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    Do not pass go
    Do not collect an ETS

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  27. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    “Cullen also pushing the notion that someone else answered Winston’s cellphone and pretended to be him.”

    Is there such a charge as – Impersonating an MP?

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  28. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    Well said BB

    That same Clark who was described by the Aussie’s as a control freak.

    She fucking knows and she is lying AGAIN to the people of NZ.

    I really must see what the ninth floor bloggers are saying over at the Standard

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  29. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    I just can’t get over how Peters has allowed this hole to get bigger. The more this goes on, the more he is being fucked over. Any rational sane person without a Napoleon complex would long ago have put their hands up….oh, hang on…

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA – see ya, you troughing loser!

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  30. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    I can almost hear the vomit inducing spin that will come from labour following this. They are so far into the lie that they cannot back down now.

    Helen will never never admit to “misleading the public”.

    I think this is going to get ugly.

    and thanks DPF for the running commentary. Excellent job.

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  31. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Don’t be like that,Iinventory, Labour have still displayed quite a high level of competence in the cover-up, but on balance, this may put me back in the National camp. Until the next f**k-up of course. I think I owe it to myself to expect certain standards from our reps whether that be in honesty or competence. There’s no such thing as a free lunch!

    Anyway – I’ve been predicting this would come out about Mike ‘Forgetful’ Williams for donkeys years now.

    So there.

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  32. 2boyz (260 comments) says:

    I am just shaking my head, it just get’s better or worse depending what side of the fence you sit on. It’s going to go one of two way, white wash (more than likely) or my preferred choice some affirmative action with the appropriate heads rolling.

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  33. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    What a disgusting piece of work Cullen is. Any rational person can now conclude that peter’s is a liar. This is now beyond any doubt.

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  34. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    Helen’s quotes come back to bite her big time…

    “That involved phoning the minister, and he assured me categorically that he had never received money personally, nor had New Zealand First, nor had he asked for it,” Clark said.
    Sep 1, 2008 The Age

    Helen Clark said yesterday in Parliament she’d accept Mr Peters’ word “unless something arises out of the privileges committee or some other appropriate authority”.
    Aug 26, 2008 New Zealand Herald

    “In the event, Mr Glenn has been very clear that he did not donate to New Zealand First, he did not make a personal donation to Mr Peters. What he did was pay money into a lawyer’s account,” says Clark.
    Aug 31, 2008 TVNZ

    Archived Google Quotes from Helen Clark

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  35. Wanderer (30 comments) says:

    Liars, Liars all of you. How on earth can you all dispute the word of the Right Honourable (not) Winston Peters. Everyone related to this sorry affair has had a memory lapse and are out to get Winstone Peters fired.

    Yeah Right

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  36. Cactus Kate (551 comments) says:

    Wait until the end and ask him what he was promised in return for the donations. That’s the million dollar corruption question.

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  37. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    methinks its time for the Nats to carefully examine Hansard and find the link that will convict Clark for misleading the House.

    Theres just gotta be a slip somewhere If they fails then a Watergate raid on the 9th floor to find the documentation They always make a mistake Think Nixon.

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  38. Christopher (425 comments) says:

    What really cracks me up here is that Winston & Co. could have simply taken the donations, declared them, and laid off his “you take big donations but I’ll keep you honest, sunshine blah blah blah” rhetoric.

    Had he done that in, say, 2005, he could have (once again) slotted neatly into parliament on his immigration and elderly ticket with a comfortable 8 or 9 MPs!!

    You have to laugh – Winston has out-manoeuvred the living crap out of himself.

    Muahahahaha!

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  39. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    So this is the new standard of openness and accountability we were promised. I think I like the old standard more but this new one is a lot of fun to watch.

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  40. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    Christopher

    Exactly… all they had to do was be transparent and accountable for their own actions… Too much to ask from our MP’s?

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  41. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    Cullen’s version of events: Ok, so an alien grabbed Winston’s cellphone and using a voice transmogrifier made it sound like Glenn was talking to Winston, so that the aliens can get NZ First and Labour out of government and install their own puppet, John Key.

    You know that at least 35% of NZ First voters are going to go for that one – which is about all the support they will muster after this telling testimony!

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  42. davidp (3,580 comments) says:

    In Italy, a $100k bribe will win you a small government contract. Perhaps a contract to clean a hospital for a few years.

    In Saudi Arabia, a $100k bribe will win you the opportunity to meet with a couple of princes to discuss the purchase of tanks or aircraft. But won’t win you the business.

    But in NZ, Helen Clark and Mike Williams used Glenn’s $100k to bribe themselves a coalition agreement for three years. It’s disgraceful… Both for the third world corruption that makes a mockery of NZ democracy. And for the fact that the NZ government, all of it, was bought for such a tiny sum.

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  43. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    To add to my above post, WILLIAMS must also resign (again) for being a big fat liar as well.

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  44. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    Someone needs to move a vote of no confidence in the government. Act, United First, National, Maori…. now will the Greens demonstrate a shred of integrity!

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  45. GerryandthePM (328 comments) says:

    Isn’t Paul Moroney the brother of Sue Moroney MP (Labour, List )?

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  46. Dr Robotnik (533 comments) says:

    BREAKING NEWS FROM THE STRANDED_

    KEY BREAKS FLIP FLOP WORLD RECORD_

    HOLLOWMEN FOUND TO BE MORE HOLLOW THAN A WAREWHARE EASTER EGG_

    WINSTON BEING PERSECUTED BY NASTY NATS_

    MAD MONEYMAN SPREADS MALICIOUS LIES_

    FAT TREV COPIES HIS MATES HOMEWORK, AUNTY HELEN AWARDS GOLD STAR AND LETS HIM STAY UP TO WATCH SENSING MURDER_

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  47. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    “I didn’t, ………wasn’t…….. couldn’t……. didn’t…….. IT WAS DOLLY!”

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  48. david (2,556 comments) says:

    Talk about desperate. What sort of (competent?) Minister of Foreign Affairs would allow someone else to answer his (presumably secure and Gummint Issue) cellphone and impersonate the Minister.

    Can’t you just imagine how many times someone random has picked up this ringing cellphone and answered it ” Oh hi Condy, hows it hangin’ babe? Boy do I have the hots for you !!! Now about this trip to North Korea, I think we should play it this way …….. ” Hahahahahahaha

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  49. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    Owen Glenn for president!

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  50. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    The PM is resting quietly in her office. She has taken a real licking this afternoon.

    The chickens are coming home to roost. They would have been here earlier but global warming put their timing off.

    I am so happy, I could just shit. I have been about as productive as a politician this afternoon, but today is actually historic.

    I just realsied that no matter what BS Labour, NZ1 or anyone else pulls after today, I know for sure, in my heart and in all good conscience and without a shadow of a doubt, that Helen, Winston, et al are lying, corrupt, thieving hypocrites.

    And I feel damn rightous today.

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  51. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    Chris Twatter on Radio Pravda reckons it comes down to who you believe…what fucking planet are the left living on?* Peters has about as much credibility as a Bridgecorp boss (if that).

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  52. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..If that’s the case Phil, and I don’t believe for a minute that it is, why has Williams TWICE this year offered his resignation as NZLP President to Helen Clark, and not to the General Secretary of the NZLP?..”

    i don’t actually see the point you are trying to make..?

    ..and the/any relation to this..?

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  53. NoCash (257 comments) says:

    How does the privileges committee work? Can Dail Jones & Co still conclude that Peters did not lie and the matter is now closed with no further actions?

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  54. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    NoCash – not without getting the biggest public reaming they’ve had since boarding school

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  55. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    Just decided to use iPredict to put some $$’s on Winston being sacked or standing down as foreign minister.

    https://www.ipredict.co.nz/Main.php?do=stock_detail&stock=PETERS.RESIGN

    I won’t be donating any winnings to the Winston Peters legal fighting fund, but maybe to a nice bottle of scotch to enjoy when he is ejected from representing us at election time.

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  56. Mike Collins (166 comments) says:

    Philu – “i don’t actually see the point you are trying to make..?”

    Well if you spent more time working and less time smoking you might be able to see through the haze. It’s actually a wonder you can even see the keyboard to type. Although that would explain the grammar….eh?

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  57. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    NoCash

    I don’t think it matters now what conclusion the Privileges committee comes too.

    As Helen herself said, Winston will be tried in the court of public opinion.

    Too bad for Helen, that she was caught fouling in her own nest.

    Long live our democracy!

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  58. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    Thanks to Rodney Hide & Owen Glenn for doing the right thing.

    What now Winston, what now Helen?????

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  59. simo (150 comments) says:

    This is just frustrating, listening to ZB, Clark will try and spin her way out of this, and blame anybody, Williams, Peters, their bagman, her bagman, our country is now plumbing way below the waterline, just like HMS (Titanic) Liarbour, the iceberg has been waiting in the darkness, and has now surfaced in the Privileges Committee.

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  60. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    I mean, in all honesty, (a quality with which it appears certain newsworthy parties today are somewhat unfamiliar) how can we tolerate this sad excuse for a government any more!

    Can I summarise!

    After stealing the last election with a calculated and deliberate overspend of $800K, we now have a continuation of the woeful standards of integrity on the treasury benches. As it becomes more and more apparent that many more people either knew much more than they did, or should have found out a lot more than they did, it’s clear that the current occupants of the treasury benches have neither the ability or the integrity to be there.

    They are either incompetent or duplicitous. They consider us to be little more than serfs, the great unwashed!

    VOTE THEM OUT!

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  61. workingman (79 comments) says:

    This is being reported in the NZ Herald on line.

    “In a private and personal discussion with Ms Clark I told her that I had made a donation to Mr Peters for his legal costs. I also told her of my conversation with the Labour Party’s president Mike Williams before I agreed to make that donation back in 2005.”

    So Helen Clark said there was a difference between WP and OG, so why did she not speak to Mike Williams to see what was his version? Assuming (LOL) that MW would tell her the truth, HC could then have gone back to WP and said well MW backs up OG’s version. Can we imagine that HC did not have this level of control on this item?

    They are all lying on this, that is clear.

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  62. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    Normally if a minister was caught lying like this,
    You would assume that the PM would sack him/her forthwith.

    But here’s the catch…

    SHE can’t sack him, because they were in on the donation all the way!
    It had their full approval.

    It is up to the people of New Zealand to sack this lying government NOW!

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  63. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    They are not all lying.

    Owen Glenn appears to be telling the truth!

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  64. workingman (79 comments) says:

    ROWIWOR

    You are correct, that was bad grammar by me to say all are lying. I can see no reason for Owen Glenn to lie on this. He also has a fair amount to back him up, including an affadavit, emails etc.

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  65. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    Well, unless anyone needs me, I am off to put a bottle of something sparkly on ice, I feel a celebratory drink or 27 coming on.

    Anyone in Wellington, I understand a table has come free at the Green Parrot, any takers?

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  66. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    I reckon when the White Witch and her dwarf are gone
    We should all meet together for a drink.

    Trying to get rid of this corrupt government is harder than giving birth.

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  67. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    That’s because it’s a LABOUR Government?

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  68. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    Green Parrot? Bugger have school board meeting otherwise would have loved to join you for an impromptu wellybloggers nice glass of dinner

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  69. Thomas the Unbeliever (141 comments) says:

    We remember less Clinton’s lies than we remember how he twisted words in a desperate attempt to remain technically truthful.

    Whether Helen can be absolutley pinned in an absolute lie on this – she has clearly been denying that “she had sex with that woman”. Being technically truthful is not enough. Clark has been economical with the truth and has shown contmept for her office and for the NZ public in so doing.

    “Clarkspeak” will enter the NZ lexicon to mean – “carefully choosing words to deceive so that the act of deceit is difficult to subsequently prove.”

    Nixon was also a very successful politician – no one else won 2 elections as VP and 2 as President. But how is Nixon remembered? Clark has earned a similar legacy. Let’s hope she leaves office in ignominy.

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  70. Inventory2 (10,290 comments) says:

    Philip Ure said “i don’t actually see the point you are trying to make..?

    ..and the/any relation to this..?”

    The point I am trying to make Phil is that nothing, absolutely bloody NOTHING happens in the Labour Party without Helen Clark’s say-so.

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  71. Ed Snack (1,847 comments) says:

    End result, it will be business as usual. Winston will continue to enjoy Clark’s confidence and his perks as a minister. After all, there is no “conclusive evidence” that Winston has intentionally mislead anyone. Poor old Owen Glenn is drunk and/or completely confused, and probably spoke to Winston’s brother, who organised it all with Mr Henry without Winston being aware of any of it. As for poor old Paul Moroney, sad case that, also obviously drunk AND confused and probably paid by National and/or mysterious American bagman/men to sign that affidavit.

    ETS to be passed, and election in November. NZ is just sooo over this whole thing, picking on poor Winston. Anyway, the polls are narrowing and we have 3 more National policies to be released. {/cynicism}

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  72. Rakaia George (313 comments) says:

    Interesting comment over at the Hive regarding Labour’s internal polling…can’t wait to see the next set of polls that really include this fall-out…

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  73. GPT1 (2,116 comments) says:

    The big issue for me is that Clark new and choose to lie about it at worst and let the public be mislead (by her Foreign Minister) at best.

    The real question is whether that is enough of a scandal to get into the public consciousness or has this all become about Peters and the public no longer care?

    It seems high time to remind the public of Clark’s credibility. I lose count but there was the dude she accused of murder, the Doone issues, the motorcade, the painting (and intervention with the investigation), the overspending using taxpayers funds, the promise not to ban smacking and then (excuse the pun) whipping the vote and now the Peters scandal. And they call Key slippery.

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  74. NoCash (257 comments) says:

    Will Peters still front up the privileges committee tomorrow? hmmm…

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  75. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    One point. Glenn is at pains to point out that Peters was asking for assistance in paying legal bills. How does that statement sit with the so called “Blood Brother’s” arrangement with Brian Henry where he says that no bills are issued?

    Doesn’t that make a mockery of the Pecuniary Interests register?

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  76. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Burt, THIS was a really good point on the earlier thread:

    # burt (2067) 7 0 Says:
    September 9th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    “So Shipley has dinner at a donors house while the donor isn’t even there and she needs to resign…. It’s OK when Labour do it – move on.”

    We await with interest, a nice long period evidencing more even treatment of politicians by our media, after 9 years of “moving on” with a Labour Government.

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  77. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    If Wishart wrote “Absolute Power”, condensing 8 years of experience into one book, there must surely be enough new material to do an “Absolute Power II” already? Or should he wait for the regime to fall and the Augean stables to be mucked out by forensic auditors?

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  78. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    John Campbell has Owen Glenn on his programme tonight for a one on one!

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  79. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    There must be a strong suggestion that Mike Williams organised the initial discussion with Glenn as a way of sewing up NZ First into the coalition of the desperate.

    Garner was still trying to brush aside Labours involvement on 3 News as per usual.

    The real stench is Labour.

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  80. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    Will our media find their job descriptions and begin asking Helen the hard questions?

    Or will Helen deny any further interviews, citing sudden illness?

    Once more, the truth is still getting out of bed while Labour’s spin machine started in January.

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  81. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    I wonder where Tane, Sonic, Mickey Savage and all the rest of the Labour lick spittles are today?

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  82. Alan Wilkinson (1,871 comments) says:

    So the big question to Helen Clark is “Did you talk to Mike Williams in February about Owen Glenn’s claim he had donated to Winston?”

    The media must keep asking that question until the election or until she gives the honest answer.

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  83. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    They will be under their beds, in the foetal position with their hands over their ears, singing “The Sun will come out….Tomorrow!”

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  84. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    I wonder where Tane, Sonic, Mickey Savage and all the rest of the Labour lick spittles are today?

    Spluttering anything that they can to try and fool themselves into believing nothing will hurt their precious Labour partie’s poll recovery….

    Newsflash labour lickspittles: Yo party is fucked!

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  85. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    I guess at this point, Audrey would be off Winston’s Christmas card list?

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  86. kisekiman (219 comments) says:

    Brian Henry emailed Mr Glenn saying, further to the conversation with “my client” at 1:30 nzt I provide my bank details…

    As slightlyrighty points out, where in the dictionary is “client” defined as “blood brother to whom professional services are donated free of charge”?

    Check out whaleoil’s blog to see the documents first hand

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  87. a3catlady (58 comments) says:

    Great to see Helen chose a cream jacket today – great colour to hide the pigeon crap from all the pigeons roosting on her shoulders.

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  88. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    Oh dear . . . and read the last sentence . . .from eye witness Matthew Hooton:

    Cullen stuffs up in Privileges Committee

    Labour will regret the rude, arrogant and prosecutorial behaviour of Helen Clark’s henchmen Michael Cullen and Russell Fairbrother against Owen Glenn at the Privileges Committee today.

    Their behaviour was so shocking that, several times, Mr Glenn was forced to ask the chairman, Simon Power, whether he was on trial. [WELL, HE IS A RICH PRICK]

    Cullen and Fairbrother all but publicly confirmed Labour’s smear campaign against Glenn – which Clark refused to disavow in Parliament earlier in the afternoon.

    The smear campaign has included private allegations, explicit and/or implicit, that Glenn is a drunk and a philanderer, that he is confused and suffering from a “faulty memory” as a result of being “well into his 70s” – in fact he is 68 – that he is something of a Walter Mitty and even that he has had electroconvulsive shock therapy.

    Today, Cullen and Fairbrother were haughty and rude, and treated Mr Glenn like an alleged criminal or mental patient. In particular, they alleged that he mistook Winston Peters for his brother, Wayne. Apparently when Mr Glenn called Winston Peters’ personal cellphone – not even Cullen and Fairbrother denied it was Winston Peters’ phone – it may have been Wayne Peters who answered and impersonated Winston Peters.

    The likelihood of this is extremely low, especially as, four minutes later, Winston Peters’ laywer emailed Mr Glenn referring to his conversation with “my client”. Mr Glenn will be furious his honesty and/or competence and/or sanity was challenged by Cullen and Fairbrother under parliamentary privilege, and Mr Glenn really didn’t want to know what to say in response, except that he had “absolutely no doubt” he had spoken to Winston Peters.

    But even if the Deputy Prime Minister, Cullen, is right that his Government’s suspended Foreign Minister, Winston Peters, sometime gives his brother, Wayne, his personal cellphone and that Wayne sometimes impersonates Winston, what on earth does that say about this Government?

    Does Wayne sometimes flog Winston’s phone and impersonate him when Condi Rice calls? Or the Foreign Ministers of Australia, the UK or China? Should the Prime Minister be concerned that a dodgy Northland lawyer sometimes borrows her Foreign Minister’s private phone and pretends to be him?

    If not, it suggest Cullen and Fairbrother were just parroting more Labour lies.

    As a result, Glenn will be even more angry at Clark and her henchmen when he fronts up to the media in Auckland tomorrow, apparently to tell even more.

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  89. Gman (4 comments) says:

    Having spoken to winston and wayne peters on the phone literally hundreds of times I can attest that they sound a bit similar, but you would have to be a total monkey not to be able to tell them apart!!!!! c’mon!!!!!!

    Winston’s voice is far deeper and more ” smokey” and wayne’s voice is quite distinctive–he speaks in quick bursts with almost an oxbridge accent.

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  90. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    A bad day for Labour is about to get much worse if what I am hearing about the next polls is true, it seems that the gap between the corrupt Labour party and the Nat’s is widening at an alarming (for Labour) rate.

    Whats the bet that dear corrupt leader goes to the polls within the next month.

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  91. KennyJelly (31 comments) says:

    There is still a way for Peters to come out as the “victim”.

    I believe the “innocent” explanation was that it was Brian Henry all along. He stole Peters’ mobile, called Glenn with it and impersonated Peters and asked for the donation, then later contacted Glenn again as himself. And, put on his Peters disguise and thanked Glenn at the dinner party. See! There, Peters was telling the truth all along.

    Of course, someone will have to convince Henry to take the fall.

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  92. Alan Wilkinson (1,871 comments) says:

    Glenn called Peters and during the conversation discovered that Peters needed $100,000 not the $70,000 he started off by asking for. There is no credibility whatever that he didn’t know who he was talking to or wasn’t asking penetrating questions that would have revealed any imposter.

    Labour’s behaviour is repugnant, inexcusable and indefensible.

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  93. Spam (588 comments) says:

    Glenn called Peters and during the conversation discovered that Peters needed $100,000 not the $70,000 he started off by asking for

    How would peters know how much money he needed? It was for legal bills, which never exist and which he never discusses with henry, wasn’t it?

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  94. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    Perhaps OG was actually speaking with that former Varsity student “Luigi”

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  95. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    This gummnt is not only insulting Glenn, its also insulting me as a fellow countryman, and my intelligence.

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  96. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Glenn has just been interviewed by campbell.
    FUCK ME. That was the most explosive five minutes of television in this countries history.
    Please everybody post links to it on your blogs when it is up on TV3’s website. Email the link to everybody you can.
    This is an event that will change politics in our country forever. The level of lies and deception by peter’s, Williams and Clark has been massive.
    Glenn effectively eviscerated them

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  97. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    BB you bet me too it. That interview was amazing!

    Best line when asked what he thinks of Clark and Williams?

    Glenn: “You wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with them as they’re likely to push you over the top first”

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  98. JC (948 comments) says:

    One thing about old, drunk, confused billionaires..

    They have smart young women keeping the records.

    JC

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  99. Spam (588 comments) says:

    Glenn has just been interviewed by campbell.
    FUCK ME. That was the most explosive five minutes of television in this countries history.

    Damn. I watched TV1 – a bit tame.

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  100. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Asking Mike what time his flight was leaving was pant wettingly funny

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  101. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    BB. Nah it wasn’t mate. You’re mistaken. Glenn was bullshitting. Peter’s and Clark well tell you the FACTS of the real story, tomorrow. (pissed myself on the ‘trenches’ comment) Disenfectant will be the de rigeour for all on the PC tomorrow, when Peter’s speils.

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  102. Ryan Sproull (7,100 comments) says:

    Does anyone know how long it takes clips from Campbell Live to be put on tv3.co.nz?

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  103. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    he has sunk them, completely and utterly. It is out now and the papers will stick the boot in tomorrow as well.
    The irony, Peter’s sinks another coalition.
    Clark claiming she knew nothing until February is in my belief A MASSIVE LIE.
    BEST THE MAORI PARTY START SUCKING UP TO OLD BROWN EYES, he seems to be the conduit to Owen’s wallet.

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  104. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    I may be wrong but I am sure that Klark has said that she had no idea if Mike Williams had been on OG’s boat.

    That does not square with what OG said tonight on Campbell live, when asked if Klark had contacted Williams while he was on the boat OG said “in one day she called him four times”

    This is the end for the bilious bitch and all those who cuddle up to her, I would not be surprised to see the Greens run a bloody mile from Labour over this as well.

    Roll on election day!

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  105. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    I think Owen should be awarded the Honourary Degree of Monaco by the next PM.

    I also think he should spend $50k – $100k whatever with fullpage ads in the major dailies until the election telling it like it is – Electoral Finance Act be damned, the new government is going to repeal it anyway, and he is doing a true service to NZers dead, alive and future

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  106. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    OH my, that was a ripper. I really loved this bit:

    Campbell ….so did Helen Clark know that Williams was in France on your boat asking for money?
    Glenn…she phoned him four times in one day
    Campbell..what did you say to Mike Williams?
    Glenn… what times your flight Mike?

    And this beauty when asked about the Labour leadership:

    Glenn: I don’t want to be associated with people like that.

    Music is playing, it’s harps,..I’m in heaven.

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  107. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    The appearance of Owen Glenn on Campbell Live was the most interesting piece of television for ten years.

    “Owen, what would you say now if Mike Williams asked you for another – ”

    “Oh he has! He was on my boat in June.”

    LOL LOL LOL

    I can’t wait to hear how Helen will account for this.

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  108. francis (712 comments) says:

    All rumours of WP’s demise are likely to be premature, as always. Conclusive as all this seems to those of us here, try and imagine the worm slithering through the holes that OG did, and he did, leave open. In the end it will come down to whether HC has a cast iron stomach that enables her to swallow not just rats but mouldy ones. My guess – she can. It is, after all, still possible that honourable gentlemen have taken a different read of events. ;-)

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  109. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    Peter’s has aready commented that he will refute Glenn’s evidence tomorrow. FFS, just where does this bullshitting hori get-off?? Goon squad anyone?? And why is bullshitting Henry (aka. blood-bro) still in Africa?? Hunting lions no doubt.

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  110. big bruv (13,714 comments) says:

    Paul

    All that will happen tomorrow is that Winne and Peter Williams will walk into the committee hearing and have a pre arranged plan to be thrown out within ten mins.

    Winne can then front the media with his “this is a kangaroo court” argument.

    It was plain to see at question time today that this is the tactic he is going to use, the last thing he wants or will ever do is answer questions about this saga. if he and Williams are kicked out again tomorrow he can keep pushing the line “wait until I am allowed to give the facts”

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  111. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    My fav parts of Campbell Live…..
    Williams went to caucus and they said it was okay. (So they all knew, pants on fire)
    and
    I wouldn’t be in the trenches with them. (you’re all toast and burnt crispy fucking toast at that)

    Just beautiful.

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  112. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    BB. Yep, I think you’re right. It certainly fits with his MO.

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  113. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Owen Glenn said “I wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with them, they would probably throw ya out first”
    Oh dear Labour is in real trouble.
    So sad………..not!!!!!!!!

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  114. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    I hope a good percentage of the populace saw the interview with Glenn. Labour and Winnie will be the laughing stock of the entire nation (almost), tomorrow. Sadly, they have no shame.

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  115. JC (948 comments) says:

    “And why is bullshitting Henry (aka. blood-bro) still in Africa?? Hunting lions no doubt.”

    I thought he was checking the piles at Mt Maunganui wharf.

    JC

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  116. Ross Miller (1,700 comments) says:

    The ‘slam dunk’ piece of evidence surely has to be the affidavit by Paul Moroney that he was present when Peters thanked Glenn for the donation at the 2006 Karaka sales.

    Peters of course denied knowing about the Glen donation until told by his ‘brief’ just two months ago.

    Oooops, sorry does not compute.

    And that simply is the smoking gun that the Privileges Cttee need to find Peters guilty under their quite narrow TORs.

    Fascinating too to see Paul Moroney of the Moroney racing dynasty putting the boot into Winston and, by extension, Labour with Sue Moroney, part of that dynasty, a Labour List MP. That will strain family relationships.

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  117. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    A big House porkie by Helen!
    “Mr Glenn said before he responded to Mr Peters he was in contact with Labour Party president Mike Williams.
    He wanted to ensure donating to Mr Peters would not be seen by Labour as “unhelpful to its own interests”, because Labour was his “primary interest”.
    He said he was told by Mr Williams that Labour did not object to him helping Mr Peters. He believed that conversation happened during a brunch with the Labour Party president in Sydney on 14 December 2005.”

    Debates (Hansard) Volume 649, Week 83 – Wednesday, 27 August 2008
    John Key: Has the Prime Minister seen the statement, also by Mr Glenn, that said: “I agreed to help in the belief that this step would also assist the Labour Party, in its relationship with Mr Peters. I supported the Labour Party.”; and can she tell the House just who in the Labour Party would have given Mr Glenn this impression?
    Rt Hon HELEN CLARK: My answer is that nobody needed to give him that impression.

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  118. Johnkeyslittlehelper (1 comment) says:

    Who RememberS Oliver twist Please sir can I have some more!!! Mike Willams flys to France in June spends two days on Owies yacht and asks Please sir can we have some !!
    In the mean time back home in NZ the dirty Duck and Cullen are dancing all over Owies reputation accusing him of losing his marbles having a frontal Lobotomy.

    How low will these scum bags go who would give them anything they are bottom feeders muddwellers and they are running our country

    Meanwhile back at the Standard not a mention from Pontius Pilot or Steve wonder why Comrade Heather has said keep it off the air at all costs DISTRACTION DISTRACTION DISTRACTION DISTRACTION DISINFORMATION DISINFORMATION!!

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  119. Lindsay Addie (1,455 comments) says:

    Here is the link to the Owen Glenn interview with John Campbell for anyone who missed it. It is a must see.

    Owen Glenn on Campbell Live

    The actual video link is to the right of the picture of Glenn.

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  120. Ryan Sproull (7,100 comments) says:

    Thanks, Lindsay.

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  121. Tauhei Notts (1,692 comments) says:

    Read the 4.07 p.m. post.
    Paul’s sister is a Labour Party list M.P.
    Beautiful.

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  122. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    I also thought it rather telling that Glenn stated, ‘Peter’s needs ‘help’ (psychiatric). His diagnosis is correct.

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  123. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Cactus Kate and one other above alluded to the real question: why did OG make those donations in the first place? That question won’t be asked nor answered since both parties implicate themselves and it’s beyond the Committee’s Terms of Reference, which is a shame, since it’s really the one and only question that should be opened up to the “court of public opinion.”

    I was also interested in the Pol Scientist who appeared immediately after Campbell’s OG piece, who said his mother was a die-hard WP supporter. Guess what he said? All the allegations about NZF supporters believing looney conspiracy and alien stories have forced her into the polarised position where she’s never not going to support Peters, come hell or high water.

    Thanks, MMP. Who the hell ever voted for that, anyway?

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  124. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Bugger, wish I had watched TV3, sounds like I missed great tele, I do hope the Dear Leader was tuned in. I bet she would have been spitting food all over the place, poor old Peter will miss out tonight I very much doubt she will be in the mood. Looking foward to tomorrow, by hell I hope these bastards go down in a screaming heap of shit.

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  125. Lindsay Addie (1,455 comments) says:

    side show bob,

    If you missed the Glenn interview with Campbell see my 8.03pm post for the url.

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  126. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    Ahem……

    Gone by lunchtime?

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  127. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    So the one question we’re left with to tidy things up is “did Owen Glenn solicit the support of the Maori Party by offering them $250k after the election”? I expect we may get an answer to that tomorrow in his press conference.

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  128. dad4justice (8,131 comments) says:

    Thank you TV3 and Owen, oh my, it’s great to be alive. Mike Williams got 5 phone calls from dear leader while on board the Glenn Liner. Her credibility has more holes in it than the ozone layer.

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  129. Lindsay Addie (1,455 comments) says:

    Owen Glenn, God bless him has stuffed the NZPoodles First and Labour in one go!

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  130. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    The Standard is all over this! NOT!

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  131. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Just listened to ZB on the way home.

    Kerrie Woodham just ripped shreds off some old guy who started claiming it was all a right wing conspiracy to get rid of WP.

    Next caller was a liftetime Labour voter not knowing what to do. He is now questioning whether all the other suspicions about this Govt over the last 9 years were actually true.

    If they lied about this someone needs to start pulling out Wisharts claims on Dunnegate, Parkegate etc.

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  132. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Nice to hear from you again, D4J.

    I wonder how Brian Henry is feeling right about now in Africa?

    Since it thus far apparently appears he lied to the Privileges Committee. Isn’t that a criminal offence, which can lead to disbarment?

    So well done Peters, you appear thus far not only to have screwed yourself and a whole govt, but also your “blood brother” who covered for you in your hour of need.

    Looking forward to your explanation tomorrow. Forgive us if we decide to check the “facts” you bring with you.

    P.S. I recommend you leave out the Alice in Wonderland quotes this time.

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  133. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    It would appear “the little creep” has got some long overdue revenge as well! God bless!

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  134. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    The arrogance of the pondlife that run this country and the likes of their supporters (Mike Williams et al), is breathtaking. (AND… who did foot that bill for William’s trip to the Med??)

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  135. RedRock (26 comments) says:

    I have to laugh about Owen Glen referring to Winston as “Winstone Peters” in an email he tabled today. Was this a Freudian Slip in advance given the amount of dirt being dug up about Winston?

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  136. Alan Wilkinson (1,871 comments) says:

    Karma all round, I think.

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  137. dad4justice (8,131 comments) says:

    Mr Glenn thoroughly deserves his gong for services to the people of New Zealand. Ding, dong, gong, the lovely lady is not too well. Have another pill deary.

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  138. Oscars Grouchy Mum (83 comments) says:

    I liked the bit when OG said Williams invited himself. Ouch.

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  139. Lindsay Addie (1,455 comments) says:

    Online prediction market predicts 84 per cent odds on Peters departure

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  140. Paul Marsden (995 comments) says:

    I have not one iota of sympathy for any member of the legal profession, who choose to associate themselves with Peter’s. With these type of people as lawmakers and those that act as their advisors, I wonder not at all, why the Courts in this country, have lost the respect of society.

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  141. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    Headlines for tomorrow?

    – Esteemed BOP lawyer mauled to death by lions in Africa; friend says ‘he just jumped out of the ute’
    – Foreign Minister undertakes fact-finding mission to Brazil
    – PM initiates martial law

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  142. Viking2 (11,409 comments) says:

    Oh yeh and here is a picture of the Mallard Duck in his new job.
    Funny really.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0809/S00202.htm

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  143. Lindsay Addie (1,455 comments) says:

    Another headline for tomorrow:

    – PM has kittens after watching Owen Glenn talking to John Campbell on TV3.

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  144. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    I quite agree that if Henry knowingly broke whatever he swears when he’s admitted to the bar, then he deserves no sympathy and should be held to account.

    The point I was making at 8:49 was that if Peters knew he was leading a brother of his profession into peril by allowing Henry to cover for Peters when all along Peters knew the story being put forward by Henry was false and laid him open to disbarment, then Peters is below contempt.

    Of course the story that Henry told is also irreconciliable with the current facts and one is forced currently to assume that Henry spun a ‘litany of lies.’

    However who knows what Peters told Henry and what he’ll say tomorrow and perhaps that’s why Henry’s in Africa right now, beyond possible media interview.

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  145. burt (8,231 comments) says:

    So… Will Winston roll over and take the hit he deserves or will he take the Labour party down with him. Will he spill all he knows if Helen cuts him loose or will he suddenly act out of character and take it without lashing out.

    Interesting times. Cheers Lindsay Addie for the link.

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  146. freethinker (688 comments) says:

    As the ramifications of this is unprecedented should John Key take the unprecedented step of declaring that a National government will retrospectively anull all legislation passed since the last election as the government had no democratic mandate and their remuneration be deducted from their parliamentary pension fund with penalties & interest at current IRD rates.?

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  147. Viking2 (11,409 comments) says:

    Watch Clark have a nervous breakdown. Been close for months I’d say and this episode with Glen today will be just about enough to tip her over the edge. No person can sustain this kind of stress and pressure, It was written all over her face tonight.
    History show’s that the Labour Party never left Govt’ with a long term leader still in place. Savage died in office. Kirk did the same, Lange found the Pope and quit so that just leaves Clark. If she doesn’t call an election in the next few days she will join her Honorable ancestors by being forced out. By the way, has anyone seen Goff of late or is he also sticking up Clark in the background. If he’s not he should be before Shane Jones or Cunnliffe does. Those guys can’t be indifferent to all this.
    Clark has more than a few enemies in cacaus who would like to get their own back.
    Days of the long knives are coming. The polls are going against them again so something will happen.

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  148. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Viking2
    “Oh yeh and here is a picture of the Mallard Duck in his new job.”

    or is he really sniffing that bird????

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  149. Mike (158 comments) says:

    Freethinker wrote:”interest at current IRD rates.?”

    humm you righties always seem to be very up with the play on ird pentalty interest rates, had a few run ins have we? been caught stealing form the government? Chalk up another one to the party of liars and thieves

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  150. Southern Raider (1,809 comments) says:

    Someone on Holmes this morning questioned whether NZ would do better internationally if we had a PM that looked like Sarah Palin instead of the buck toothed 70’s throw back we have presently.

    If Sarah Palin claims she hunts Moose, then I’m all for buying her a ticket to do some Moose hunting on the 9th floor. Hopefully she could line up H1, H2 and Judith in one clean shot.

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  151. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,746 comments) says:

    Considering how experienced the Glenn Hearing is showing Labour to be at rorting the electoral system, you would think they could have come up with something better than the EFA. Labour must have been too busy raising funds to bother writing decent law.

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  152. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Liarbore don’t have any funds for this election, guarantee it. OG’s 500k donation + the 800k pledge-card rort got them the 3rd term.

    OG is gone, who else do they have?

    They’re fucked, notwithstanding all their union mates will donate, spend and campaign as much as the law allows (and probably beyond, based on past experience).

    Any political party that doesn’t have enough public support to campaign deserves to die.

    Die, Liarbore, die.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha

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  153. tom hunter (4,729 comments) says:

    I wonder where Tane, Sonic, Mickey Savage and all the rest of the Labour lick spittles are today?

    Better yet – where’s Russell?

    Time for another Palin thread DPF!

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  154. Turlough (18 comments) says:

    Reid’s reminder of the statements made by Brian Henry to the Privileges Committee is quite pertinent.

    Henry is on record as saying he had never billed Peters for his legal services, which is how he then managed to spin the fantastic line that as there was no bill, there was no debt, and therefore somehow, any money received from Owen Glenn, or any other donors, was simply a payment to Henry, not to Peters. Glenn’s evidence today rubbishes this, as he was emphatic that he would not have given in response to a lawyer, only to a request from Peters himself.

    But then we had the piece by Peters’ “lying wanker”, Phil Kitchin, in the DomPost, with evidence that Henry has in fact been billing Peters tens of thousands of dollars for legal services as far back as the mid 90s, with apparently, copies of the actual invoices leaked from Peters’ office to back the piece up.

    Interesting that despite Peters having claimed in Parliament in 2006 that he had paid all such bills out of his own pocket, there has been no refutation by either Henry or Peters of Kitchin’s claims.

    Isn’t it funny to link these statements from the “blood brothers”; Henry says he has never billed Peters, while Peters claims to have paid all of these (non-existent) bills himself….er…the ones he never got! The reality according Kitchin, is that there were indeed bills, but that it was the taxpayer who paid them.

    Given all this, and what Owen Glenn has said, why should anyone believe anything that Peters, or Williams (1), or Williams (2) or Henry may say in reply before the Privileges Committee, or anywhere else for that matter.

    And how do we know that the “charity” to which the $158,000 taken from the taxpayer was allegedly given, isn’t just another of these murky little accounts or trusts the existence of which, such as the “Winston Peters Fighting Fund”, and the “Spencer Trust”, Peters has previously vehemently denied?

    Having proven himself a master of the cynically fine distinction for so long, why would we suppose that Peters would not, in his superior mind, equate such secret trusts or accounts with “charities”, especially when he has for so long equated his version of what for anyone else would be base politics, with higher purpose that is beyond normal scrutiny or question? Witness his habitual abuse of “slow” journalists for not doing their “research” on the one hand, that is when he is trying to expose someone else, or for asking questions at all, when he is the one under scrutiny.

    We see exposed now the reason that so many of NZ First’s top officials, be they Presidents, Secretaries, or Treasurers, have been on the record lately as being completely in the dark even as to the existence of bodies such as the Spencer Trust and the party bills it has been revealed to have been paying. Those officials represent but the official facade of a “party” that claims by sworn declaration to be entitled to field a Party List each election, while the real organisation exists in the shadows of deniability, in the closet, where a few select individuals, unaccountable only to the Leader, each know only as much of the truth as he wants them to know.

    What is happening now, is but the inevitable consequence of an organisation founded on circles of mistrust, and paranoia, being outed because some of those who were stupidly left out of the various loops, have innocently revealed how little they actually knew.

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  155. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Southern Raider.

    “If Sarah Palin claims she hunts Moose, then I’m all for buying her a ticket to do some Moose hunting on the 9th floor. Hopefully she could line up H1, H2 and Judith in one clean shot.”

    These are not Moose, they are Swamp Donkeys!

    Need shooting just the same.

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  156. stayathomemum (140 comments) says:

    156 responses – and Hellen said NZ wasn’t interested in this story anymore…

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