The slogans policy
You read the story on ACT’s law and order policy and you get the impressions it is a policy to have more slogans. At first glance we have:
- Will “turn back the clock”
- zero tolerance for crime
- a communities-first approach to policing
- one law for all
- harsh quick justice
None of which mean much to me. The only actual policy detail in the story was “to deport any non-New Zealand citizen convicted of a serious violent offence upon completion of sentence or earlier” which sounds a good idea to me. More specifics like that would have been good.
Rodney’s speech doesn’t contain any details. They do have a law & order policy which states they will:
- Bring back private prisons
- speed up courts (no details as to how though)
- Promotes “broken windows” and “zero tolerance”
Now before all the ACT supporters yell at me, I also criticised National for the (previous) paucity of their policy statements.
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September 22nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
DPF, your criticisms of National are always very mild and always about style, not substance – you’ll ‘accuse’ National of having a bad day, but never of having bad ideas or bad policy.
Now the reason ACT feels no need to detail what they are talking about is that any sensible person (granted, not a huge number, but ACT targets only the votes of the sensible and has room to expand its voteshare in that demographic) already knows what is needed to, for instance, speed up the courts – a reduction in the intricate and unecessary tangle of criminal-rights oriented bureaucracy that does nothing but empower rapers and thiefs. This would have the added benefit of making offending less likely as the courts would be a deterrent, which at the moment they are not – I would almost go so far to say that the lavishly funded lifestyle of a defendant, leisurely going through a lengthy process and all the while generously supported by the state, would be like a nine month holiday for the average smash-and-grab thief or sexual predator!
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 am
Explains why David Garret’s appointment was kept under wraps. There would be so many wet liberals in ACT who would disagree with many of these policies.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:47 am
I’ll vote for these slogan’s over Labour’s offering: more of the same – another 43% increase in violent crime.
Labour make no secret they’d rather support criminals than victims. ACT say they’d rather support victims. If that’s the best on offer, I’ll take the one that intends to punish crime rather than condone it.
Politics is fairly simple in NZ. No MP’s display any principles or personal fortitude except those in ACT – everyone else wants to compromise and let the victims of the compromise pay the bill. Act of course haven’t been tested on this and since they’re making such a stand on it, they’ll be judged that much harder.
So here it is then: vote for Labour and have murderers on home detention gettting pizza delivered to them, gifted with mobile phones, or shuttled between towns and released on bail time and time again after breeching that same bail, the infamy of their crime making them a celebrity.
Or vote ACT and get them in prision for the length of their sentences.
Or vote National who have displayed a liberal tendency to compromise everything and go back on their words.
Simple choice.
Vote ACT: their slogans offer more than the current system delivers.
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September 22nd, 2008 at 7:50 am
Anyone reckon the Sensible Sentencing Trust realises that if their three-strikes law was passed, parents convicted for lightly smacking their children three times would automatically face a life sentence with at least 25 years non-parole?
[DPF: Now would it be a conviction per smack or per smacking episode?]
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:51 am
Yep, the small parties need to focus on their core competencies. Act’s is slashing the state sector aka their 20 point plan for a $500 tax cut.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:54 am
At least ACT hasn’t appropriated National favourite slogan: “ME TOO!”
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
Graeme E, you forgot to take your hysterics pills this morning. You’ll have us believe that that the SST supports the S59 amendment and that ACT will not be able to draft a law to get round that abberation? You must have been listening to National on removing GST from food or Labour on just about everything else. Their excuse: It’s just too hard. Harden the fuck up, buddy.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:57 am
David, looks like the ACT crew are on day release – and you are dinner…
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:02 am
I am not an expert on law and order policy. I realise its the number one job of government to keep us safe and secure from the thugs and bullies — and to back us up when we defend ourselves. I have listened to the debates in Parliament and concluded the MPs and bureaucrats have no answers, just more of the same.
That’s why I enlisted the help of Garth McVicar of Sensible Sentencing Trust and Peter Low from the Asian Anti-Crime Group. They have helped ACT a lot with policy.
Roger Douglas has taught me that it is not enough simply to care. You need policies that will deliver results. And people who can deliver the policy.
That’s why we have worked so hard on this one with so many different groups. Garth has been a great help. And it was a huge bonus to be able to attract David Garret to stand at list place number five. He’s the most impressive speaker on law and order I have heard.
A key policy is the SST’s three strikes and your out. It’s been drafted by David Garrett. It will work. We have committed an extra billion a year to keeping our streets safe.
And no, it doesn’t include smacking. Besides, ACT will repeal the anti-smacking legislation following the referendum.
ACT has worked hard to have credible fiscal policy. We have done the same in education. I am especially proud of the work on law and order. I know of no other party that has done the work we have or who are offering a genuine alternative this election.
It was especially heartening to have Garth McVicar and Peter Low speak at out law and order launch.
Rodney Hide
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 am
“..but ACT targets only the votes of the sensible..”
so..1%-2% of the nation are ‘sensible’..at this point..?
and..
“..I’ll vote for these slogan’s over Labour’s offering: more of the same – another 43% increase in violent crime..”
um..!..the fact-checking segment on agenda..(where political studies students put journalists to shame..by doing their work for them..)..
..they checked that rightie-claim of ‘a 43% increase in violent crime’..
not true..crime rates have been dropping for over ten years..
..”..not true”..as in bare-faced lie..
and yes..hides’/acts’ justice policy is cartoonishly simplistic/reactionary..
..but hey..!..they mesh well with nationals’ boot-camps-for surly-teenagers’.. promises..eh..?
..it’s hard to tell which is the more reactionary..
..the right really is mired in the past..eh..?
…and seems totally out of its’ depth in this rapidly changing world..
..and it must be very disturbing for the/you poor luvvies..
as their/your freemarket mantras/con-game/belief system is proven beyond all doubts..
..to be not only intellectually bankrupt..
..but now..also literally bankrupt..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:06 am
Can’t say i like the sound of “harsh quick justice ”
Quick justice, yes and I would like to know how that is to be achieved
Harsh, is that going to be fair to all concerned
Or just take them out and shoot them
I know that appeals to some but it is not the way forward rather back to totalitarian times
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:08 am
Phil,
fannie and freddie, the instigators of the credit crisis, were created to cater for bludgers like you.
Welfarism is bankrupting the western economies – YOU are the problem, not the harbinger of salvation with your regurgitation of articles youve read.
HTH’s put yourself in perspective.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 am
So the guy who wants to ban gangs is number five then?
Cut the spin Rodney we all know the reason the policies aren’t detailed is because you’re afraid of putting off the ‘general public’ (ie. swing voters who think they’re the shit ‘cos they’re in control of the worm on national TV when in reality they’re just ignorant fucks that know nothing about politics but vote for John Key ‘cos “he looks nice”) who know fuck all about what it’s like to have the vengeance of a victim.
Come on you really think they’ll be able to swallow “life means life” on top of all the “common sense” bullshit they love eating from Peter Dunne? That’s why ACT isn’t going beyond slogans, bub.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 am
hide..
“.That’s why I enlisted the help of Garth McVicar of Sensible Sentencing Trust and Peter Low from the Asian Anti-Crime Group. They have helped ACT a lot with policy…”
priceless..!..and explains most..
wot..!..’haven’t had the time’?..these past years..?..mr hide..?..to whip up some justice policy for yourself..?
what a joke..!
what the hell do you do all day..?..oh..!..that’s right..!
“..Roger Douglas has taught me that it is not enough simply to care..”
brilliant..!…ya gotta get a t’shirt..!
“..A key policy is the SST’s three strikes and your out. .”
cos’ that one has worked so well in america..?..eh..?
y’know what..?..mr hide..?
..i reckon you..and douglas..and policies such as these..
..are going to drive the soft centre-vote to the relative sanity of the centre-left..
..so..cheers for that..!
..eh..?
..we owe ya..!
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
You have to love a party leader that actually will comment on a blog in response to criticism.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
“..Welfarism is bankrupting the western economies.”
no..’freemarket’/deregulation/greed have already bankrupted the western economies..
(your ’cause’..and timeline are both out of whack..eh..?..we are already ‘there’..eh..?)
tho’..the madness of the corporate-welfarism currently proposed..will make the eventual fall even harder..
..billions are being thrown into a black hole..
..and that will..at best..only be a stop-gap measure..
..one that it is doubtful will last until the election..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:30 am
“..# David Farrar (959) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
You have to love a party leader that actually will comment on a blog in response to criticism..”
yeah..it’d be nice if he answered the further critiques of his spin/answers…tho’..
he/hooten etc still have that sermon-from-the-mount- belief in their own words..
..and will brook no dissent/questioning..
(psstt..!!..i think it’s called ‘hubris’..eh..?..)
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 am
From the proposed bill (http://www.safenz.org.nz/threestrikes.htm) – which has “been drafted [and] will work”:
Section 194 is the section of the Crimes Act under which those who have smacked their children would be charged, following the amendment of section 59.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 am
Phil,
Fannie and Freddie were created by the socialists and popularists to get votes.
Fannie and Freddie have socialised the mortgage market in the US in order to allow those who cannot afford to own housing to spurge on housing.
Fannie and Freddie were the black hole you were blithering about re: corporate-welfarism only its actually government-welfarism so stop trying to layoff blame to the private sector for a public sector problem.
Fannie and Fredie are a TRILLION dollar GOVERNMENT black hole buddy – get your facts straight.
Oh, and please blog in proper sentences.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:34 am
I’m glad I don’t pay for Phules bludging. Is that a slogan?
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:36 am
ACT will speak the unpleasant truths that need to be said.
More than can be said for labour.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:38 am
* Will “turn back the clock”
Great – Can I have GST back @ 10% please. Was so much easier to work out on the fingers & toes.
* zero tolerance for crime
No worries, just don’t include e-crimes like dare I say it ‘format shifting’.
* a communities-first approach to policing
Is that Vigilante Squads ? or can we expect to see a higher profile of police officers ‘on the beat’
* one law for all
I hope that includes politicians.
* harsh quick justice
I am all for this – graffiti = off with your hand, rape = off with your xxxxx, corruption = wave bye bye to all of your assets.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:01 am
What does ACT thinks happens to non NZ citizens convicted of serious crimes now?
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 am
Wow, Wolverine in his 2nd ever post to Kiwiblog manages to look dumber than Philu. Top effort that.
I suggest you reread what Rodney has written mate. ACT have consulted a lot of people to refine their policies and to make us experts in other polices and not just taxes, education and health. It looks like the number 5 slot has been filled by a man who will dazzle during the campaign, and once again the ACT list gets more attention and feedback than any other party.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 am
Clint- Why was this appointment kept secret (or released later if you like)? I can’t see any real reason for this.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 am
That is something I really don’t know, but to be honest it created more interest for the party and gave the whole list process publicity for bringing in talent. As a small party we are unbeatable for creating debate and interest in the party – which lamentably is not yet showing in the polls… but it does give everybody a chance to now look at the abilities of these individuals and then you’ll see he would be a great MP.
As Rodney said, he isn’t an expert in Law and Order policy, but now we have a bloke on our list who is an expert. Brilliant. I wish other leaders had the same honesty as Rodney. What is the general impression of our number 5 pick? What do you think Redbaiter?
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 am
“What does ACT thinks happens to non NZ citizens convicted of serious crimes now?”
Dunno about ACT, but I know what I think-
Immigrants earn reprieve from deportation- Siale Fehoko was convicted of two counts of sex with an underage girl in 2004, which he said was “consensual”. He spent 18 months on home detention, then received a deportation order as the offending was within five years of getting permanent residence in 2000. Fehoko successfully appealed against the order at the Deportation Review Tribunal, with a ruling released yesterday saying he could stay because leaving would be “unjust or unduly harsh” on his New Zealand-born-wife and their five children.
A Samoan man who chased a neighbour with a machete has been allowed to stay – because his son suffers severe autism and would miss out on specialised care. Kalolo Tupuola, also known as Kalolo Talo, was convicted of assault with a weapon in 2005 and sentenced to 20 months’ jail. His deportation order was overturned by the Deportation Review Tribunal in a decision released yesterday that said the “humanitarian circumstances” involving his New Zealand-born 9-year-old son meant it would be unduly harsh.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 am
“What do you think Redbaiter?”
I think he is great. Uncowed by strident PC liberals. Ready to confront the rigid thinking of the cultural Marxists. We need another dozen like him.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 am
Yeah RB that would be brilliant. We just need to unleash him further and get us 4% and Epsom and he will be in the house working that magic. I am really proud of ACT for getting somebody like him on the list. For me, much of the list is a dream team!
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am
Well, “love” is a bit strong for it.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
Its great to see ACT taking such a strong response to law and order in the country when no other parties are doing so and I support it 100%. Law and Order policy needs to be focused on making people safe, and victim’s rights, rather than the rights of criminals.
Of course – the one thing that is still missing from ALL parties law and order policies is their response to gangs, and their primary source of funding, that is their state enforced monopoly on drugs.
Any party that is serious about taking on gangs, needs to take on the drug issue head on. They need to realise that the war on drugs hasn’t worked and it never will. And as drug use between consenting adults has no victim, drug laws simply do not belong in a law and order policy that is focused on victim’s rights.
I fully support the Three Strikes and you are out policy for violent crime, but if we want to destroy gangs – we need to reform the Misuse of Drugs Act, and fast.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
I’m firmly with ACT here.
Finally, a party with the balls to stand up to the Marxists!
I just sincerely hope that any changes to parole are retrospective (i.e. offenders already convicted of crimes will no longer receive parole).
(Well, it’s not really retrospective, since Parole isn’t really part of the sentence, but you know what I mean).
Also, I have to congratulate ACT on working with Garth McVicar, one of the most sincere, caring and enlightened individuals in our society, to form your law and order policies.
Even if I didn’t wholeheartedly agree with ACT’s other policies, this alone would be enough for me to give them my party vote on polling day.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 am
I suggest you reread what Rodney has written mate. ACT have consulted a lot of people to refine their policies and to make us experts in other polices and not just taxes, education and health. It looks like the number 5 slot has been filled by a man who will dazzle during the campaign, and once again the ACT list gets more attention and feedback than any other party.
And as expected you do not fail to suck on the ACT Board’s ass. What do you know about Garrett? Who would you rather have in the #5 position, him or Stephen Franks? And you did not address a single thing I said regarding slogans and giving away actual policy specifics (and I don’t need you to lecture me on what it is, considering it hasn’t changed since 1996 – cut the bullshit about “professional drafting” and “policy development”) – you simply said this guy was amazing. You could replace him with Marc Alexander and there would not be a single iota of difference between them – both conservatives, both rednecks.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
Wolverine – Franks left ACT for National, he was a great asset for ACT, but it appears felt that he could do a better job with the Nats, unfortunately it doesn’t look like the Nats felt the same way – giving him a very low list position. If the nats were serious abotu law and order – the might have ranked him or mark higher.
While I wouldn’t describe franks as a redneck, he definately is a conservative. That said, parliament would be better off with him back in there.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
ClintHeine, ACT supporters, stop being so blooming pessimistic. You had 7 MP’s before Don Brash took your support base over to the Nats. “Don Brash” National is very much a thing of the past, so GO FOR IT. I am expecting great things once the ACT team starts fronting the public.
I keep saying this, but getting tough on crime, locking crims up earlier in their career and for longer, WORKS, and works spectacularly in terms of reductions in crime rates. The bloody liberal leftists are palming off a big fat lie to the contrary.
It is as simple as THIS; most unsolved crime is committed not by unknown criminals, but by criminals already known to the police, it is just that only a fraction of the crime they HAVE committed is ever known by the police.
Is everyone aware of the international crime survey that shows NZ near the top in terms of overall crime, surrounded by banana republics? This is probably a legacy of the world’s most ineffective limp-wristed liberal criminal-coddling approach to crime, along with the most total denial that faith-based rehabilitation is the ONLY rehabilitation that stands the faintest chance of success.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am
Regardless of National – answer the question – who would be better, Franks or Garrett? Which just goes to show what a nobody Garrett is. Seriously, who the fuck are half of ACT’s list? Lawyers, IT nerds, Community Board politicians… Brian Connell has more business experience than all of them put together. I didn’t say Franks was a conservative, in fact you’re a retard if you think he is. I’m saying Garrett and Alexander are exactly the same – both SST meatheads who think the solution to South Auckland violence is to ban gangs.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
SST meatheads?
You really are a total piece of shit.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Sup cunt.
[DPF: 50 demerits]
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Rodney and Stephen Franks are the 2 I have ever seen post a comment on Kiwiblog Shows just how much the rest of them are prepared to debate the issues with the peasants doesnt it.
Show how out of touch with reality they are
On Acts law and Order policy finally we have a Party who is prepared to honour the wishes of 92 % of the citizens Remember the 1999 referendum The one where that dipshit Anderton told us we didnt understand the question.
Remember Clark who told us we are too thick to cope with an election and a referendum all at the same time.
These my fellow citizens are the people some of you elected to represent you They dont represent me.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
“..What is the general impression of our number 5 pick?..”
um..!..pretty much that he is a heine…clint..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Aren’t you deviating from the ACT strategy of blaming the media for low attention and thus poll ratings?
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
50 demerits for my response to: “You really are a total piece of shit”, which got no demerits?
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Yep as you started the insults with retards and you crossed the line with the c word, which is far far worse in my opinion. Also stop changing your identity – it does not work.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
but..dpf..it is ok..to repeatedly call me a ‘p’-user/cook/dealer..?
cos’ people/gutless scum hiding behind false names..just keep on doing that..
..and there has not been the slightest censure from you..
..for what is a pretty gross (repeated) slander/defamation..
..eh..?
..so..i would assume it would be ok for me to just make something up also..
..and say i have heard english is a ‘p’ user..?
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
[DPF: You call abuse upon yourself due to your posting style which is about as unconstructive and taunting as one can get. You can not play hurt when you get abuse in return. I have given out demerits from time to time for abuse aimed at you (including today) but frankly you would need to pay me to read all the threads that end up as flamewars involving you.
You pick fights all the time. You have spent weeks taunting Murray and he has not responded to you once during this time. So don't claim to be the victim here]
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Phool
Diddums
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
and given the prevalence of ‘p’ in such ‘suit’-circles..
..it’d be a fair assumption some of these rightwing screamers here are ‘p’-heads..
i mean..take rebaiter as an example?….(please..!!..)
..his obsessively repeated diatribes read just like a speed-rave..
..and the levels of paranoia..?
..and that obsessive copy & pasting by phil best also has all the marks of a ‘p’-head..
any other nominations..?
..i reckon that manolo hits the pipe too..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:28 pm
“Brian Connell has more business experience than all of them put together”
Brian Connell must be either very very busy or one extremely old bugger then
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Also stop changing your identity – it does not work.
Work with regards to what? I do nothing to try hide my identity, I just felt like Wolverine simply sounds a lot cooler than ‘Reb’… And as far as I’m aware this is the first time I’ve changed my identity out of choice as the other times are in response to bans and being unable to login with my old identities.
Plus I stand by what I said because Stephen Franks wrote a liberal vision article under Catherine Judd so if you think he’s a conservative somehow then yes you are retarded. It’s no different to you saying 5% are stupid for voting NZF.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Golly! Lefties having a hissy fit…….more please! LOL!
J
Hey Phil….forget the P and take up Brie….with the price of cheese through the roof under your Socialist dream team it must be a more lucrative money earner for you
Ha Ha ….!
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Philbest – heh, didn’t think I was being pessimistic but point taken. I honestly believe that when the campaign kicks off the talent on our list will shine. As I have said before, all this publicity about our list means we have chosen well.
Wolverine – Marc Alexander isn’t a patch on Franks or Garrett. Franks is more conservative than you think, and Garrett is an inspired choice. And Brian Connell is a joke and a rather delluded one at that. You have posted 8 times (under this identity) and nobody knows what you stand for apart from collecting demerit points for something I’d be accused of calling you
Philu… sigh, you still haven’t managed to pronounce my name right… back to school for you.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Fortunately for the rest of us, truth is a complete defence to actions in defamation
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Look’s like the CLARK/PETERS AXIS has a large tolerance for crime.