More Kiwis staying at home
The June migration stats came out yesterday. This graph shows the net PLT (permanent or long-term) migration of NZ citizens.
There is huge seasonal variation, so I have shown them year by year. Generally January has the highest net departures, and the number of net departures reduces every month during the year.
The net departures of citizens in 2009 are well down on 2007 and 2008. And it isn’t Kiwis returnign home, so much as Kiwis staying put.
If we take the April to June quarters, the no of Kiwis returning home was 4,302 in 2007, 4,503 in 2008 and 5,108 in 2009 – a small increase. While Kiwis departing was 14,414 in 2007, 15,685 in 2009 and 9,990 in 2009.
So while Kiwis returning home was up 600 in the quarter, Kiwis departing was done around 5,700.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am
Maybe NZ isn’t such a bad place after all. This suggests when things are going well Kiwis are happy to travel, when things get tough they prefer to stay at home.
[DPF: These are not stats for holidays. They are stats of people who are permanently or long-term leaving or coming to NZ (defined as away for at least a year)
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am
Or that when things are going well, they can afford to travel/move their lives overseas.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 am
All the good people have gone, leaving a shell who are trapped here for family or financial reasons, and a bulk of bludgers, beneficiaries and public servants.
What a basket case country.
Shame really. It was once such a wonderful place in the world.
Nowadays, just a crime ridden socialist backwater overshadowed by the threat of race based social disruption.
Anyone who can get out should do so.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 am
Cerium – you use word like ‘travel’ like the stats refer to holidaymakers. That’s wishful spin of course. PLT decisions (ie where to make ones ‘home’) are based on what is best for the individual or famly in the long term. Net loss was higher when the uber-socialists were in charge, and it’s lower now the semi-socialists are in charge.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am
Its Kiwis realising that we have a decent government now – none of the lies and theft from the Klark Kullen Klique and their sexually perverted bludging currupt henchmen.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
Come to NZ.
Make yourself the prey of socialists blugers and losers.
Philip Ure and his ilk need you so bad.
So called Maoris need you to pay their TOW claims.
“Teachers” need you to pay them to indoctinate your kids.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
I’m here by choice. Yep, there are problems, and challenges, but I’m mostly positive about NZ. I like it here.
Most people have never had it so good. There is supposedly to be poverty but nothing like it used to be. Health care and life expectancy keeps improving. No world wars (not even major wars), no major epidemics, no great depressions.
Although imperfect we have as good a working democratic system as anyone.
Why do some people keep expressing such negativity?
Do you live in NZ Red? You keep sounding like a loser.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 am
Come to NZ.
Make sure to bring your wealth.
With the second highest crime rate in the world, thieves need you to steal from.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 am
Come to NZ.
Housing speculators need you to prop up collapsing housing prices.
You can’t wait to experience the thrill of paying huge money for some rotting financial millstone, or some soviet style box of 40 square metres.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 am
Come to NZ.
A huge workforce or regulating law enforcing public servants need you to justify their existence and pay their wages.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 am
Come to NZ.
You’ll enjoy driving in a nation of tail gating nervous nellie mungbeans who think 80 kph on the open road is a crime against country and humanity.
And don’t ever think of overtaking. Its a hanging offence.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 am
REd – either you are a self-deprecating fool or you have inadvertently lumped yourself in with ‘bludgers, beneficiaries and public servants’ who you claim are the only ones here. Or maybe you are inefficient and can’t raise the funds to leave and are ‘thus’ trapped? Shame more like you aren’t heading away…
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 am
Come to NZ.
Walk the streets at night. If you can.
You can’t wait to experience the sweet sights and sounds of muggings, rape ands various other acts of mass drunken or drug induced brutality and vulgarity.
Make a living as a P-dealer.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 am
I think Ryan has it. I suspect there are a lot more people staying put because overseas opportunities have dried up. It’s hard to get overseas jobs in good times – except in Australia and perhaps the UK, you have to stand well out from the pack to qualify for a visa and make it worth the employer’s while to take a punt on a non-local.
I’d like to think that people are staying because they like the change in government, but I don’t believe it is the leading factor. It takes a lot more than just an election to change things – though some might stay on the expectation of improvement, most would weigh their options based on tangible relative advantages of options at the time. National need to deliver faster growth than the desirable alternative locations for a period, and perhaps also a reduction in crime and other factors that might’ve driven out migration.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 am
Come to NZ.
The scenery is nice.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 am
Redbaiter, where on earth do you live – Mosgiel?
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Remuera.
Naah. Just kidding.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 am
If all those leaving over the past nine years did so because of Labour how come there was anyone left to vote National in?
Ryan is right, it’s mostly the international employment and economic situations.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 am
For fuck’s sake.
National got elected by making themselves an almost carbon copy of Labour.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 am
Come to NZ.
The clapped out Progressive troglodytes running the mainstream media badly needs stooges insulated from the real world to buy into their socialist lies.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 am
Red you are on a roll today.
Ryan – I suspect Red lives in Palmy. Or Naenae where I live.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Old Indian Proverb-
“He who speaks the truth must have one foot in the stirrup.”
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
For fuck’s sake.
National got elected by making themselves an almost carbon copy of Labour.
..fuck off idiot..Why would anybody vote for a clone of the previous govt…National have done some great things in its first 8 months
..and there will be more to come Im sure…BTW…maybe you should fuck off to aussie…you would fit right in with the other big mouths…
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Despite the impression here the country is not full of Reds.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:58 am
Value freedom and quality of life?
Take a step upwards.
Emigrate to Cuba.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 am
“National have done some great things in its first 8 months”
Name three of them.
Stop being a bloody cheer leader for this left wing government, it has been said before but Key is nothing more than Helen Klark in better fitting pants.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:05 am
Come to NZ.
If you’re a young and single male with financial means, you’ll be swamped by legions of clapped out loser harlots who, liberated by socialism, have all had more pricks than a second hand dart board.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 am
“Stop being a bloody cheer leader for this left wing government, it has been said before but Key is nothing more than Helen Klark in better fitting pants.”
..and with good teeth.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 am
Quick and effective solution to NZ’s overseas funding requirement, and a catchall for quite a few of Mr Reds moans above.
300k+ Brits are leaving per annum.
NZ is perhaps the hardest Anglophone country to escape to.
There is little merit in importing more folk who have skills already in Country. that will just pander to the xenophobes like WRP.
There are many Trades requiring bulking up, such as Health Care Professionals, and Nuclear Power Station Workers, and Cycle Path Engineers.
Just hang on the the Maths of allowing in true Entrepreneurs who can INVEST a clear $5m in NZD. Apart from buying a House, Cars,
Health Insurance, Private Education, and the like. Another $1m in year 1 of importation.
10,000 per annum such folk would realise $50BN minimum.
Covers the PSBR, and would stoke the job market tremendously, especially if they had Internet based business’s able to trade, and chiefly export with the World.
NZD. SIMPLES
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
Meanwhile Red is pushing to clear 7000 posts, and lose Philu in his wake!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 am
Come to NZ.
Stephen Tindle needs someone to sanctimoniously lecture on global warming while he makes a living selling you third rate junk from Communist China, the biggest polluter in the world.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
Come to NZ.
If you’re an Ethiopian, its a great way to get in to Australia.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
One thing the Australians like about NZers staying home, the crime rate has dropped remarkably on the Gold Coast.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Red – have you ever left these shores? Your ramblings sound as if they come from a person who has nothing to compare this great country with.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
With all those NZers at home, funny we can’t make up a national rugby team of people born in the country and who can sing the National Anthem.
Even in English would be good.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
I used to live in NZ, but I yearned for more individual liberty and free enterprise, so I moved to Libya.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am
Not1
I have spent many years overseas, indeed it is only when one returns that you appreciate what a backward nation we live in, the vast majority of Kiwi’s are apathetic, lazy, envious of wealth, bludgers, gutless, scared, small minded, have a massive inferiority complex, are stupidly concerned about what the rest of the world thinks of us and honestly believe that the rest of the world knows where and who we are.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
With all that’s been going on lately I’m in no hurry to return. Certainly Bernard Hickey has provided good reasons why anyone under 40 should get the heck out of dodge. I have always been a fan of a capital gains tax, but for reasons bernard makes obvious it aint ever gonna happen.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
Did anyone see Alan Duff on the idiot box Sunday night?. If he was in the government he would ship every Maori out of the country for at least two years, simply so they can get their shit together, get off the gravy train and out of the entitlement industry. We could probably include everyone else that has a history of entitlement. I’m afraid I agree with Duff. Having worked with many Maoris overseas and here at home many freely admit that leaving these shores was the best thing that ever happened to them. When I have Maori friends return from overseas most end up shaking their heads in disbelief at the way many are now wasting their lives here. While I’m not for one minute suggesting we take up Duffs suggestion many of us will know he speaks a fair bit of truth. We have huge potential in this country but the establishment of socialism and the welfare state has truly fucked this place. I’m sure National knows what should be done but I doubt their balls will be big enough, so sad.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Hell, if ever there was compelling evidence that Red’s simply a curmudgeon, this is it. The global trends dragging kiwis abroad was terrible, the change is terrible too. I can’t wait for him to lament the Spring warmth and the terrible Tulips running the Teutonic order of his otherwise bare garden.
This trend is a double edge sword, the skilled migration game generally is, citizens return to NZ because of family and historical links, they bring their skills of course but wheres the employment demand? If they don’t get jobs, they might increase welfare costs, if they do, are they just displace other workers? Potentially, the skills shortage in growth is replaced by unemployment in contraction? All the more so, if the Australian economy picks up sooner than the NZ economy, as it’s predicted too, will this turn out to be just a blip… it’s too soon to tell.
I’m pleased however, that David’s resisted the urge to claim the government’s responsible, they’re not. The only significant change in policy settings that may impact PLT movement between Australian and New Zealand is the super portability which Labour negotiated.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Did I tell you the scenery here is really really really good??
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Red
Only if you like rocks, tree’s and bush.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
For those who were speculating earlier, Redbaiter lives in Tauranga, explains a lot doesn’t it?
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 pm
WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!
Redbaiter lives in Tauranga?????????????????
So do I.
Red Man – let’s have a beer somewhere sometime so I can talk some fucking sense into you !!!!!
So any way, racer 1, what’s your beef with Tauranga?