Bradford quits

September 25th, 2009 at 10:25 am by David Farrar

has announced she is quitting Parliament on the 30th of October.

It’s basically because she lost the co-leadership election to Metiria Turei. Things are obviously not that happy in the Green camp.

More later.

UPDATE:

Some thoughts on Sue. Before she entered Parliament I thought she would be an atrocious MP – someone like Pam Corkery who was only good at protest and unsuited to actually making a positive (as in positive for their point of view) contribution.

I was wrong. She was in her first two terms a very effective MP. She was named Backbencher of the Year in 2000 by the NZ Herald. On select committee she asked useful and intelligent questions. She didn’t grandstand much. And she actually stood up a bit for small businesses – reasonably sympathetic to not burying them in compliance costs.

She also was a successful backbench legislator, getting three laws passed.

The anti-smacking law was one of those bills. Now I don’t think any worse of Sue because I disagree with the substance of the law. There are many laws I don’t agree with, and I don’t expect Green Party MPs to be promoting that many laws I like.

But where I am highly critical of her, is that she was fundamentally dishonest in her promotion of the law change. I think her rhetoric at times was as disgraceful as some of her opponents. And she basically lied when she said the law change was not about making it illegal to smack, when it was. She has since made quite clear that it was not just about stopping child abuse, but about legislating against correctional smacking.

If Bradford had promoted her law change more honestly, my previously high opinion of her would have remained. But I think she did herself and the country a disservice on that issue – and again I am not talking about the law change itself, but the way she conducted it.

Regardless I hope she has a happy career outside Parliament. Maybe she will stand for Mayor of the Auckland Super City?

This has exposed some unhappiness within the . No matter how much you sugar coat it, an MP bailing out of Parliament with over two years to go is a bad look. Lots of MPs lose leadership contests, do not get selected for Cabinet, are not ranked as high as they want.  Almost all see their term through.

There is a wider issue, which I have alluded to before also. Green voters voted for a Green list with Jeanette as Leader and Bradford as an MP. I am not a fan of having significant changes so soon after an election. It almost stretches to false pretences. If there is to be a managed change of leadership it should be in the final year of the parliamentary terms, not just a few months after an electoral mandate has been granted.

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154 Responses to “Bradford quits”

  1. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    She will be missed and the Greens are losing an important part of their social conscience.

    Parliament will also be the worse for her absence. MPs with her bravery and sense of principle are rare.

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  2. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    One Commie goes another one comes in . C’est la meme chose!

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  3. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    She has been a disgrace to the NZ parliament and NZ in general. The fact that we have had someone with as many criminal convictions as her in parliament is an embarassment. Her clear violation of democratic principals has been highlighted in the anti-smacking law.

    I think I can safely say that most of NZ will be happy to see what is possibly New Zealands most disliked person leaving parliament. Good riddance to her.

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  4. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Lets see toad and philu try to spin this one.

    Things must be unhappy if a left winger has given up from feeding at the taxpayer trough.

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  5. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Well Mickey, you would have to say that she is very black and white – no shades of grey. Quite polarised in fact. People either love her or hate her, there is no in-between.

    Which is unfortunate because there are hues of a couple of quite vivid colours in her philosophy as far as she has espoused it publicly and more that are unspoken.

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  6. NOt1tocommentoften (433 comments) says:

    “Her clear violation of democratic principals has been highlighted in the anti-smacking law.” – Excuse me, wasn’t it parliament that passed the amendment? I wasn’t aware that one MP had the ability to enact a law change themselves.

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  7. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Where are you Toad?

    Care to tell us why you lied about Comrade Bradford and her failure to capture the leadership role?

    Is there anything the Greens do NOT lie about Toad?

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  8. 2boyz (262 comments) says:

    Happy Happy Joy Joy, she will not be missed. Best Friday I have had for a long time. She didn’t get what she THOUGHT she was entitled to so she spat the dummie. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Greens go up a bit in the next political poll.

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  9. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    yea Mickey, its a goddam tragedy shes gone BAHAHAHAHAHA

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  10. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Yeah, nice headline Farrar. Bradford is the person who least suits the word ‘Quit’.
    ‘Quitter’, sound like her?
    Hah!
    Had a laugh though, at your assertion about the Green camp – got some inside goss there have you David, or just shootin’ the breeze?

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  11. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    I’m really really angry, actually right now. Sue Bradford is a personal hero of mine, and the way she has been treated, including by friends of yours, Mr Farrar, has been nothing short of shocking. I have no doubt that the constant villification and abuse she has suffered, for wanting to help abused children and the poor, has contributed to her leaving.

    The Greens are strong, and united (contrary to the glib assertions made here), but her departure will be a substantial loss.

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  12. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    I cant help but say to myself –
    “the two women who have caused so much divisiveness in NZ have gone within a year of being thrown out of power – Clark and Bradford.”

    Im sure Bradford is the hardworking person they all say she is, but the antismaking bill has caused a growth in the divide between the realists and the theorists. I have no doubt that within 20 years we will see the pendulum swing the other way – back towards corporal punishment ( or else schools will become unmanagable) – but in the mean time we will have increasing social damage at great cost to us all. It now seems even the rest of the greens realise that is was a dumb thing to do. It might even be that they will get blamed for Key ignoring the referendum.

    Clark – as we all are starting to see – is a bitter woman. She sits in NY sending texts back try and influence parliament, its now apparent that she had no real intent to do anything about climate change (Carbon Neutral – yea right!), and as time goes on we will no doubt find out that she is the Hollow Woman .

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  13. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Spin it as hard as you can Greenfly, the truth is now out there.

    Bradford is a quitter, pure and simple.

    Tell me, will the Greens rort the system again or will the take the next person on the list this time?

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  14. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    Never wanted so much to both applaud vigorously AND cry deliriously. She’s toxic enough to scare voters away from the Greens (hence the crying), but dangerous enough to continue doing real damage to NZ (hence the clapping)

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  15. Angus (536 comments) says:

    Next on the list is one David Clendon.

    http://www.greens.org.nz/people/candidates/davidclendon

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  16. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    I understand she’s wanting to devote more time to the Taupo Cycle event, where she’s determined to tackle her ardent admirer, Big Bruv, and demand what’s owed to her. Pucker-up Bruv!

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  17. NOt1tocommentoften (433 comments) says:

    She’s quit as an MP BB – and as she has said herself, there are many many more ways of influencing government and policy than simply from within the House. Moving on yes, quitting no.

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  18. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..The fact that we have had someone with as many criminal convictions as her in parliament is an embarassment. .”

    her convictions are all for political dissent..

    (no shame there..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  19. Elijah Lineberry (306 comments) says:

    Bradford is one of the few MPs who has done actual damage to New Zealand.

    I am pleased she is going and only disappointed her departure was not due to the Green party receiving 4.999% of the party vote.

    In 2025, when various trendy/urban liberal types are sitting in the District Court watching their 19 year old child being sentenced to prison they will (finally) realise the sort of damage Bradford has done to our Country.

    http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com

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  20. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Nah Greenfly, she is to fat to make it around Taupo, and anyway, she will quit when the going gets tough.

    It is a great day Greenfly, a bloody great day!!!

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  21. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    EXCELLENT.

    This Green voter is very happy to see the back of Bradford. The Greens need to refocus on environmental issues and stick to that, Bradford’s social policy (esp. the smacking thing) was costing them too much support IMO.

    In other news, what a lot of pointless gloating on this thread from fuckwits with really nothing to say.

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  22. Jeff83 (745 comments) says:

    Most of you may disagree strongly with what she believed in but she fought vermanently for what she believed in and that is to be commended.

    As for sticking her head in the trough, I would doubt being as active person in parliament as she was would be classified as such a term.

    But anyway go back to your black and white, good and evil, right and left is inherently evil simplistic viewpoints.

    Personally I think it is a positive thing for the Greens, as currently they need to focus on the environment. Social change issues have been pushed as far as consersative NZ can handle for quite a while, and so Sue would only cause more harm than good at the moment. I dont think is a negative reflection on her belief of her cause however.

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  23. LiberalismIsASin (290 comments) says:

    Good riddance. Now if we can just liquidate the rest of the hippie fascists…

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  24. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Hopefully the eradication of more of the PC bullshit our govt is built on will start to be eroded

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  25. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    darroch..she is not going because of the droolings of the knuckledraggers here..

    she is going because you fucken numbnuts in the green party..believed that rightwing spin/bullshit bullshit..

    and didn’t vote her in as co-leader…

    can i suggest you and rail at them…?

    (i already have..

    i can’t believe how easily manipulated/stupid the green party membersip appears to be..

    first tanczos..now bradford..

    ..(those who should be leading you..)

    over there..i said ‘feckin’ idjits!’..

    here i’ll say..’fucken idiots..!’

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  26. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    NOt1tocommentoften – You are right, parliament passed it, but she authored it knowing full well that the majority of NZ did not want it. She specifically wanted to ban all forms of smacking and is pretty outspoken on that fact, whereas John Key and the national party try to weasel out of it by saying smacking isn’t illegal.

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  27. NOt1tocommentoften (433 comments) says:

    So Charlie – who is more praiseworthy then? Bardford for being upfront about her ideas, or the national party for political weasling, trickery, and meddling?

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  28. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Don’t be like that, Not1.

    Whinging in the discussion threads on political blogs like a little bitch is a far more noble occupation than putting your face and your ideas about the future of the country up for general election :-)

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  29. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    I think this is a positive thing for the Greens, it might win back a bit more moderate support. Agree with their policies or not, I think a small green influence is important in parliament. But despite Bradford departing I don’t like their chances. Fitzsimons will be a huge loss – similar to Key she has a genuine ordinary person demeanor. The new leadership is unproven and lack x factor (so far anyway) and no one of the rest stands out positively beyond the fringe except perhaps for for Kedgley. Unless Greens can survive off Labour protest vote scraps with their current look I don’t see them holding their list seats.

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  30. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    philu I have no doubt that the leadership contest was a hard hit. It was the primary reason for leaving – as Xavier says upthread, something like that can cause you to reconsider. There’s more to life than being a backbencher for decades. As for the party membership, yes it was too conservative (contrary to the assertions of the stupid right) to consider having her as leader. But neither is it in a drift to the right either. Turei is staunchly for the downtrodden in our society, and I respect her for that.

    And can you stop your moronic page dr..i…bbb.ing you fucking stoned layabout, linkwhore.co.nz If anyone is a fucking idiot it is you.

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  31. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    go and sit in the corner..!..little boy..!

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  32. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Here we go, george in true lefty style, smears the messenger, DPF has always taken a polite and resonable stance on these issues.

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  33. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Here’e my spin:

    She got pushed. Oh, not overtly. Just that the Party was moving in a different direction (more Greenly), and she didn’t fit.

    Also, she is a political liability to the Party. No-one remembers the bills about mothers in prison being able to keep their babies a bit longer (quite humane, really), nor the minimum wage to young workers (is it my imagination, but are the McD’s, KFC, Burger King workers have got older?)

    By getting rid of her now, the Party won’t have to fend off ‘s59′ nagging at the next General Election.

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  34. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    sue is on national radio..after the 11.00am news..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  35. Grizz (244 comments) says:

    Blast, Now who are we going to target now?

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  36. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Resurrection of the Unemployed Workers Union?

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  37. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    1. Sue Bradford regularly tried to claim her intent was not to criminalise parents who smacked, only those who abused. Which was dishonest. I agree almost every other party in parliament did the same thing.

    2. When ACT had their election for leader, Rodney won, and Stephen Franks left, I don’t recall those on the left saying “ah well, there was an open and fair election, then Stephen assessed his options and decided to move on.” I recall a lot of “ACT is imploding, they’ll never get into parliament again, look how the right are a bunch of idiot. This is pretty much the same, and will have about as much impact on anything….i.e. none.

    In short, the news is “parliamentarian quits.” Tomorrows fish and chip wrappers.

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  38. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    On the herald website story:

    “She said pleased that people could “no longer hit their kids with implements” and praised John Key for not changing the measure after a non-binding referendum showed the majority of New Zealanders opposed it”

    That paragraph IMO shows all that is wrong with the Greens.
    First off, she shows that she does not even understand her own member’s bill, as it is clearly still legal to use implements on children, unlike the proposed Boscawen/Burrows bill. The Boscawen Bill also gives MORE protection to children, as you cannot inflict more than a trifling smack. The law as it stands now doesn’t define what is reasonalbe, but could pesumably go as far as using weapons, punching, etc.

    Secondly, the second sentence from the story shows the Green’s total contempt for democracy in New Zealand and their utter hypocrisy in their political dealings.

    The sooner they are wiped from our Parliamentary system, the better.

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  39. Richard Hurst (859 comments) says:

    News from Twitter: Sue Bradford seen entering the Offices of Rodney hide. Emerges one hour later shaking hands, smiling laughing, head saying ‘yeah that smacking thing was so clever of us wasn’t it? Really fucked Labour over eh? Sorry I couldn’t carry out the final part of the plan and assume leadership of the Greens and screw them permanently. ” Rodney heard to reply: ‘Never mind Sue you did more than enough. Now Sue, we have a new plan, you know Andrew Little can’t be in charge of the EPMU forever…”

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  40. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    “greens dodge deadly bullet”

    Seems to me that Bradford (radio nz interview) was very keen to get in charge and take the greens down her pathway – that would have been the end of them.

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  41. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Whenever a politician quits it provides a time for reflection on all the good they did with the narcissistic meddling.

    1. …

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  42. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Now the children will be safe.

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  43. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    But but but…I thought the claims that the Greens is just a left wing front group pretending to care about the environment is all lies, and yet when the worst of the loony lefties with zero environmental credibility quits, all the greens here are wailing and gnashing teeth and gereally getting all emo about it ?

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  44. phobius (46 comments) says:

    I am just so happy…nuff said

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  45. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Philu has really been thrown into a tiz by Bradford’s departure (posts in this thread at 10.41, 10.50, 11.0, and 11.02 with doubtless more to come; plus posts in the general debate thread).

    Phew Philu! Bradford’s phlown the co-op just as Tanzcos phlew earlier.

    Time to show phlegm Philu. Strive to be calm, even phlacid and unphlappable. Be philusophical about it. Use as your meditation mantra: Phuck the Greens! Phuck the Greens! Phuck the Greens!

    Soon these two phorsakers ill be phorgotten — gone phorever from your phrontal lobes.

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  46. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    darroch..her interview on nat-rad confirms what i said..

    she resigned ..not because of vilification from the right..(meh..!)

    but because you numbnuts didn’t vote her in as leader..

    as i said..’fucken idiots..!’

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  47. mikh (33 comments) says:

    The tide is running out fast for the despicable and hypocritical green party.

    Despicable and hypocritical because they attempt to achieve electoral responsibility by pretending they have an affinity with the environment rather than the jackboot.

    Sue Bradford is leaving now before the rotten SS green sinks below the waves, and sink it certainly will when the myth of AWR is fully exposed.

    Good riddance !

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  48. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    “as i said..’fucken idiots..!’”

    I would tend to agree philu, any event that would of contributed to the hastening of the Green’s disappearance from Parliament must go down as a tragedy.

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  49. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Regardless of what you think of Bradford, and I disagree with her on almost everything, she is a hard worker with a record of achievement. Turei has achieved nothing, as far as I can see. If someone at your work with a record of achievement was passed over for a promotion in favour of someone without one on the basis that the person without was younger and better looking, then I suspect your employer would be defending itself in an employment court. Why should the Greens get away with patronising women by appointing co-leaders on the basis of gender, and then appointing the female co-leader on the basis of age and looks. It isn’t the 1950s… you just can’t get away with that sort of thing these days.

    Having said that, Greens are undergoing a bit of a crisis these days. Most people’s experience is that rich countries have much better environments than poor countries, and so they’re going to be sceptical that NZ’s environment will be improved by ruining our economy as the Greens would prefer. They’re also faced with the fact that their carbon policies based on computer models do not agree with the real world, and yet they maintain the position that the real world is at fault and the computer model based policies will turn out to be the right ones in the end. Rather than try to argue these losing positions, we’re seeing Greens fall back on celebrity… You should vote in favour of Greenery because Keisha Castle-Hughes tells you to. It’s a marketing strategy for people who are attracted to shiny objects and things that are new, and the strategy won’t be viable with ugly or old leaders.

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  50. Lawrence Hakiwai (119 comments) says:

    Regardless of what you think of Sue Bradford, you have to respect her achievement in getting the anti-smacking law passed.

    In the face of massive public opposition, she persuaded the government of the day to back it, then the major opposition party as well, so it passed in Parliament with a huge majority.

    And even after a change of government and another massive public rejection, the law is staying on the books.

    Not many MPs leave something that enduring as their legacy.

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  51. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Lol philu clearly has a vested interest in this though..

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10501379

    See 8th paragraph….and philu’s hopes slipping slowly away with Bradford’s departure..

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  52. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    For all her good work she was a liar and undemocratic.
    Remember so are 111 other MP’s, so we’ve got a way to go to maak schoon in Parliament.
    (Until they stand up and joins ACT on the floor against the anti referendumers with regard to SEC59)

    That we have a PM who lies (deflects omits ignores obfuscates) at the drop of a hat and clearly has decided to ignore the social contract with the NZ voter is a cause for concern though not to some on this list.
    Many slagged Clark for it when she did it but not Key for some reason.

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  53. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Initial impression I think David Clendon comes across reasonably well here. If he puts the effort it he could help the green profile. Better for them than who he replaces.

    http://www.greens.org.nz/people/candidates/davidclendon

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  54. menace (402 comments) says:

    Good on the lady, she went out to do something and she did it.

    Not many can say they battled as hard and made it as she did.

    Certainly she is more capable than the majority of derogatory bashers in this place.

    Quite obviously if these people achieved her position then it would just be an all out fight for dictatorship.

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  55. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    NOt1tocommentoften – Neither are praiseworthy, but the fact is, if she hadn’t wrote such a bill, the law wouldn’t be as it is now.

    philu – Political dissent isn’t a crime, civil disobedience is. And it isn’t merely one conviction, it is multiple over a long period.

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  56. Rakaia George (313 comments) says:

    So who’s running the book on how long until she gets herself arrested on some protest or other?

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  57. Steve (4,564 comments) says:

    Once obtaining skills, some New Zealanders leave for greener pastures.
    When does she phuck off?

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  58. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    malcom – Resurrection of the Unemployed Workers Union?

    I wonder if they will organise strikes to get what they want… hehehe

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  59. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    big bruv said: Where are you Toad? Care to tell us why you lied about Comrade Bradford and her failure to capture the leadership role?

    Here I am bruv. Just caught up with the news. What the hell is it I am supposed to have lied about now? Her decision probably has a lot to do with being fed up with copping shit from the likes of you – and worse, given the death threats etc.

    Sure, she was disappointed to pose the co-leadership – she made that clear publicly at the time, and again in her resignation statement – so has decided it is time to move on to things other than Parliament. Too many MPs keep their snouts in the public trough for too long – as a Green I’m proud that when Sue felt she had achieved all she could as a legislator she decided to move on to make way for someone else with fresh energy.

    DPF said: Things are obviously not that happy in the Green camp.

    What makes you think that? You didn’t suggest that re National when Katherine Rich decided to move on. This strikes me as a similar decision, and as far as I know all is amicable.

    [DPF: Katherine retired at the election. Not just ten months after an election. She did not quit Parliament. She simply did not stand again. There is a huge difference.]

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  60. aardvark (417 comments) says:

    Nothing changes…

    Like most/all MPs, Bradford put her own interests ahead of those of the people of NZ and when she couldn’t get what *she* wanted she spat her dummy, threw her toys out of the pram and resigned.

    No news here.

    The *real* news would be if any of that ragged mob actually took their job of *representing* the people of NZ seriously.

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  61. Monty (978 comments) says:

    Like so many others I cheer her demise. I am sick of her (and the rest of the looney Greenins forcing their views and way of life upon the rest of us. With Bradford gone (along with Genetic) and Whussell as an ineffectivewimp, i now pray that the Greenies will get about 4.7% in 2011 as their profile sinks. Now National need to starve them of oxygen for the next two years.

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  62. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    ..oh dear what a shame…commie bitch…dont let the door hit ya fat arse on the way out…

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  63. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    You didn’t suggest that re National when Katherine Rich decided to move on. This strikes me as a similar decision, and as far as I know all is amicable

    I’d add PaulL’s Stephen Franks example to that.

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  64. Sarkozygroupie (207 comments) says:

    Don’t let the door smack you on the bum on the way out you horrid chardonay socialist.

    The only reason that witch is resigning is because she was outmanouvred by Turei and Norman, the Trotyskyites who successfully removed the Maoist faction. They did to her what she did to the Greens on arrival- hijacked the party for her own communist machinations.

    Sucked in big time, Sue, now piss off and don’t you ever come back to ruin this country. And take that wanker Locke with you.

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  65. mikh (33 comments) says:

    No mention yet of her “progressive” ideology, or her “social conscience” and her committment to “social justice”.

    Is there no one reading here who is in the least “politically aware” ?

    Maybe she’ll join the nats and become a national socialist …

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  66. Sam (502 comments) says:

    Perhaps the Greens can finally become an ‘Environmental’ party then – which should instantly improve their polling. Leave the socialism for a dedicated left-wing party i.e. National ;)

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  67. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    starboard said: ..oh dear what a shame…commie bitch…dont let the door hit ya fat arse on the way out…

    You don’t need to be that nasty just coz she wouldn’t sleep with you.

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  68. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    Id rather pull my pud than sleep with her..Ive seen better heads on boils…I bet she hangs around as a ” consultant ” ….

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  69. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Toad

    Are you really that surprised at the level of deep dislike shown toward Comrade Bradford?

    After all, she was the person who said that all men who smack their kids are paedophiles.

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  70. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    She is a very principled person and I do have respect for her. She can be constructive and she listens. I disagree with her philosophy but I respect her. She has brought something to Parliament

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  71. Roflcopter (463 comments) says:

    The fact that she’s leaving coz she didn’t get the co-leader position clearly shows that she had no interest in making life better for all New Zealanders, it was all about the POWER.

    Good riddance.

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  72. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Other than herself, I challenge anyone to state how Bradford has embellished the life of any other NZ’r ?? She’s been a drain on the taxpayer ever since she started breeding. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.

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  73. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    I challenge anyone to state how Bradford embellished the life of any other NZ’r.

    Her Corrections (Mothers with Babies) Amendment Bill was a good one – unanimously voted for by Parliament last year.

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  74. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    One of my main hopes out of all of this is that John Key recognises just how much Kiwis disliked Bradford; especially in light of the recent Anti-smacking Bill. That the reason she’s gone is the Greens likely ‘saw the writing on the wall’ regarding public opinion; that Bradford is bad publicity for the Greens. I trust that John makes a similar link between Kiwis eqaul hatred of Bradford’s Bill, and listens to the will of the people regarding removing this piece of unworkable legislation which, I believe, will be the downfall of this nation if it remains.

    The saying, ‘two [spiteful] birds with one stone’ comes to mind.

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  75. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Other than herself, I challenge anyone to state how Bradford has embellished the life of any other NZ’r..”

    aside from the smacking issue..

    she had private members bills she shepherded thru..(as a backbencher in a minority party..no meant feat that..)

    that allowed infants to be with their mothers if their mothers were imprisoned..

    and she ended the gross exploitations of ‘youth pay rates’..so many teenagers have her to thank..for their pay-packets..

    name me a natty that has done more..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  76. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Paul L got it wrong

    “2. When ACT had their election for leader, Rodney won, and Stephen Franks left, I don’t recall those on the left saying “ah well, there was an open and fair election, then Stephen assessed his options and decided to move on.”

    Stephen Franks did not leave ACT on losing the vote for leader. He was number 3 on their list and only two ACT MP’s got in. Only then did he leave.

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  77. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Phool

    For once I agree with you, I also would have loved to have seen Nandor and Bradford as the leaders of the Greens.

    They would never have made the 5% threshold.

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  78. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    paradigm at 1:03 pm: Look at all the negative kama for those critical of Bradford.

    I’m mostly critical of Bradford, didn’t like her, didn’t like some of what she did and didn’t like how she did some things. But I am also critical of some of the arsehole remarks here. Most if not all are anonymous – would any of the posters be prepared to say the same to her personally? She was a bit of an extremist but she was also a person, doing what she thought was right. That’s more than whinging and abusing.

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  79. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    philu S aid “that allowed infants to be with their mothers if their mothers were imprisoned.”

    I would have given her accolades if she had passed a bill to have such mothers sterilised.

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  80. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pete George 1:25 pm,

    I’m mostly critical of Bradford, didn’t like her, didn’t like some of what she did and didn’t like how she did some things. But I am also critical of some of the arsehole remarks here. Most if not all are anonymous – would any of the posters be prepared to say the same to her personally?

    I know I’d have no trouble facing up to Bradford and telling her what I thought of her and her policies/worldview. And I’m sure many others here would also have no qualms about doing the same.

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  81. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    “no trouble facing up to Bradford and telling her what I thought of her and her policies/worldview.”

    I don’t doubt that Kris. I’m not talking about comment on policies/worldview as I expect you realise, but rather the cheap and nasty jibes that make the messenger come across as bad as the message.

    Paul: “I would have given her accolades if she had passed a bill to have such mothers sterilised.”

    Sad.

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  82. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Pete George: Yes, Bradford thought that what she was doing was right, only trouble is, the majority of NZ’rs thought otherwise. Worse, she was an unelected member of parliament, engaged in law making that the majority of NZ’rs also opposed. Worse still, her and her ilk, have lived off my hard earned taxes all their lives. She’s been a scurge and a blight on NZ society again, all her life, and I would take great delight in telling that to her face.

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  83. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    philu: “and she ended the gross exploitations of ‘youth pay rates’..so many teenagers have her to thank..for their pay-packets..”

    I think alot of people would argue that this has made NZ worse of. Its made many businesses either:
    A) too afraid or unable to afford to employ youths full stop
    B) pay adults in the same role but who perform better exactly the same as youths

    But hey, this is what the greens (well whole left wing actually) are about, treat everyone the same thus bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

    Paul Marsden: I would have given her accolades if she had passed a bill to have such mothers sterilised.

    I totally agree. I believe that law is a terrible piece of work, just like SB.

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  84. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pete George 1:43 pm,

    No Pete, I’d also have no trouble telling her she was a ‘two faced, lying, communist, undemocratic, non-representitive, family destroying, child hating, social engineering, hypocritical bitch!’

    And I don’t often use the term ‘bitch’ when referring to women.
    Oh sorry, there was one other, but she’s gone too.

    [DPF: Bitch is not an acceptable term. 20 demerits]

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  85. lofty (1,316 comments) says:

    Wot starboard said at 12:19. & Kris at 2:00

    I will happily take the 20 demerits

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  86. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    Keep in mind, Bradford did do what she thought was right, but so did alot of evil people throughout time. Mao thought what he did was right, some could even say Hitler thought what he was doing was morally right. The problem is, what SB thought was right involved intruding on the rights and hard work of most NZ’ers, she promoted the state intervention into nearly every aspect of innocent NZ’ers life, either directly or indirectly. I know comparing her to Hitler, Mao and other tyrants is insulting, however I still believe she is a tyrant by pushing for so much intrusion on private lives, however to a much lesser degree than Mao and Hitler.

    She may have been effective at being an MP, however she was also effective at making NZ a worse place to live.

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  87. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    [DPF: Bitch is not an acceptable term. 20 demerits]

    You’re showing your hypocracy and inconsistency once again DPF!

    If you’re going to give demerits for ‘bitch’, then there are many other ‘descriptors’ which have been used in this blog which are MUCH stronger when describing what someone thinks of someone else. Would you like me to find some for you? Just say the word. And I guess you’ll award ‘retrospective’ demerits in each and every case. Yeah right!

    Sometimes I wonder why I bother!

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  88. Steve (4,564 comments) says:

    The resident duck on some Red blog made an amazing comment about Sue Bradford resigning.
    It reads like a school report

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  89. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    RRM 10:55 am,

    Don’t be like that, Not1.

    Whinging in the discussion threads on political blogs like a little bitch is a far more noble occupation than putting your face and your ideas about the future of the country up for general election.

    Hmmm, no demerits here, eh DPF?

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  90. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    CharlieBrown (19) Vote: 0 0 Says:

    September 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
    Keep in mind, Bradford did do what she thought was right, but so did alot of evil people throughout time. Mao thought what he did was right, some could even say Hitler thought what he was doing was morally right. The problem is, what SB thought was right involved intruding on the rights and hard work of most NZ’ers, she promoted the state intervention into nearly every aspect of innocent NZ’ers.

    CB: My thoughts exactly, too.

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  91. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Kris K (543) Vote: 0 0 Says:

    September 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
    [DPF: Bitch is not an acceptable term. 20 demerits]

    You’re showing your hypocracy and inconsistency once again DPF!

    I agree. If Bradford can scream out and refer to the the police as ‘PIGS’, surely commentators here can refer to her as a ‘bitch’ ?? (should they feel the urge to)

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  92. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    philu 10:50 am,

    she is going because you fucken numbnuts in the green party..believed that rightwing spin/bullshit bullshit..

    over there..i said ‘feckin’ idjits!’..

    here i’ll say..’fucken idiots..!’

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    And no demerits here either, eh DPF?

    And we haven’t even left this thread yet.

    [DPF: You don't get it. General use of swear words do not get dinged usually. If you call someone a cunt, a bitch or a slut etc etc then you will get pinged. If you can not handle being able to debate politics without calling an MP a bitch, then that is not my problem. Also if you think another comment has infringed the posting policy you are meant to e-mail me a link not whine about them in threads]

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  93. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    RRM 10:43 am,

    EXCELLENT.

    This Green voter is very happy to see the back of Bradford. The Greens need to refocus on environmental issues and stick to that, Bradford’s social policy (esp. the smacking thing) was costing them too much support IMO.

    In other news, what a lot of pointless gloating on this thread from fuckwits with really nothing to say.

    And another one from this thread with no demerits, eh DPF?

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  94. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    I agree. If Bradford can scream out and refer to the the police as ‘PIGS’, surely commentators here can refer to her as a ‘bitch’ ??

    That is so irrelevant, maybe you can figure out why.

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  95. paradigm (452 comments) says:

    the ‘boy’ just asked me..’who quit?’..

    i said..’Sue Bradford’..

    he said:..’never heard of him’..

    (it’s fucken fleeting/temporary..that fame business..eh..?..)

    phil(workandincome.govt.nz)

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  96. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    I have to apologise to everyone:

    DPF’s rank hypocracy and inconsistency has destroyed any enthusiasm I may have had regarding further input to topics on this blog for today.

    I may be back, but I’m not really sure.
    See you ’round and thanks for the fish.

    [DPF: Oh dear you can't handle not being allowed to call female MPs bitches because you disagree with them. Would you call them that to their face?]

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  97. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    So, Sue is about to ‘leave the building’ (with apologies to . . .) ‘Ding Dong the Witch has left’ perhaps?

    It appears to be great and a reason to rejoice, but perhaps we should really be asking ourselves ‘where is she going’, as it is my understanding that she will not have resigned willy-nilly.

    As with Dear Leader, there is a very clear and definite plan involved in this move I suspect – it is NOT arbitrary (despite the lightweight words to the contrary), so perhaps, to parody a positively ancient song, what we should be singing should be ‘Beware, take care from the ‘Green’-I’d Bradford with the . . (add words as appropriate), because being out of parliament gives her more chance to return to her old profession as ‘stirrer’.

    I somehow can’t see her sitting at home and writing her memoirs, so . ., .

    A question though – what IS her legal standing vis a vis Parliament and quitting her electorate? Would there be a theoretically viable legal case against her by those who elected her into power (a sort of ‘breach of promise’ situation), and if so, on what basis?

    Perhaps the lawyers amongst us can clarify the situation.

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  98. Tookinator (221 comments) says:

    Why is she leaving now instead of waiting till the next election?
    That is sooooo unfair to all the people who voted her in and will cause an expensive by-election.
    Oh wait a sec, that’s right, no-one voted her in, the taxpayers of NZ got her as a bonus…

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  99. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    DPF,

    [DPF: Oh dear you can't handle not being allowed to call female MPs bitches because you disagree with them. Would you call them that to their face?]

    Actually to most I wouldn’t. But in the case of Bradford, and Clark for that matter, I’d be happy to make an exception.
    You should do a poll, DPF, of commentors here that, if asked, would indeed ‘check the box’ regarding the above mentioned [ex] MPs in regards to their likeness to a ‘female dog’.

    Honesty is the best policy, as they say.
    And as I’m being honest, my estimation of you has diminshed in regards to your ‘dishing out’ of demerits.
    All I expect of anyone is ‘consistency’ and ‘honesty’, when those things go my view of that person, sadly, usually goes as well.
    Nuff said.

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  100. Steve (4,564 comments) says:

    Komata, she does not have an Electorate FFS. She was a List MP, not voted in by constituants. Just voted in by the Green Party.
    God when will people understand MMP?

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  101. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Kris K, The demerits can’t actually hurt you you know, and while I am surprised that “bitch” is off limits you probably need to drop it.
    I think that the way Bradford engages with her opponents, you could certainly use stronger language than “bitch” but I guess DPF is suggesting we shouldn’t stoop the her level.

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  102. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    dont worry about the gay demerit system KrisK…I just have a quiet cackle to myself when Im pinged…who gives a flying phuk …kiwiblog has become average of late…Ive been viewing crusader rabbit blog…much much better…ooohhh I hear some demerits a comin…ppffftttt….

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  103. Alistair Miller (500 comments) says:

    Hilarious. I just read Audrey Young’s Bradford Obit in the Communist Herald (http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/audrey-young/2009/9/25/fearless-sue-bradford-will-leave-big-gap/?ref=rss&c_id=1). Some highlights:

    “…one of the most popular and respected MPs across all parties of Parliament …” yes, it’s just every right-thinking New Zealander that hates everything she stands for and is cheering her exit from Parliament.

    “will be remembered as a truly fearless MP.” Just as she is remembered as a truly fearless professional rent-a-mob protester (Unemployed Workers’ Rights Union, anyone?).

    “It is hard to see who in the Greens let alone the Parliament will assume that mantle – perhaps Labour’s Jacinda Ardern”. roflmao. Would that be Jacinda Adern who was pwned on national telly by Alli Mau not so long ago?

    “she shed a tear or two when Paula Bennett was made Minister of Social Development…she really wanted that job …” FFS can you imagine Sue bloody Bradford as Minister of Social Development? It would make Fill-In Goff’s Welfare for Millionaires proposals look positively constrained!!!!

    And FFS why could they not have hired the photoshop artist that did the Dear (departed) Leader? That photo is bloody terrifying!

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  104. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    Time for Sue to move on! maybe to New York she may find a bosom pal over there ready to offer her a position on the U.N. Development Squad or whatever. Failing that she could team up with Tandor and PhilU and start a new party maybe named The New Zealand Green First Party.

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  105. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Kris K: no need to apologise. Since your leaving won’t upset me. I agree with DPF’s interpretation. You can swear about people who are on the blog, you can swear at people on the blog. You cannot use derogatory language about politicians, as DPF says, it shouldn’t be necessary to do so in order to make an argument.

    If you don’t like it, then you’re doing the right thing in leaving. DPF’s blog, DPF’s rules.

    Starboard, if you don’t like it, then why are you here reading and posting? I’m pretty sure you won’t be missed either.

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  106. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    DPF – youre getting all PC all of a sudden: I shouldnt let SB departure get at you emotionally.
    some current definitions for the word bitch:

    1. Its usage may be to characterize someone as having aggressive and spiteful bitterness, or else in being in possession of rudely intrusive or domineering tendencies.
    (now that perfectly decribes Bradford)

    2. (from WP) – In recent usage, the range of meanings has expanded. In a feminist context, it can indicate a strong or assertive woman, one who might make men feel threatened.

    If thats worth demerit ponts, then youll have to just about penalise everyone.

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  107. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    Yeah Im outa here no problem…PaulL..go fuck yaself…

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  108. Bob (497 comments) says:

    I’m glad to see the back of her. Should have resigned a long time ago.

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  109. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

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  110. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Its interesting the vehment Bradford evokes in people. If she had been a more useful and contributing member of society (such as been in gainful employment etc), then she would engender a lot more respect from people for her views. She’s highly intelligent and articulate. She’s also as mad as the mad-March-hare and those traints make her dangerous to a harmonious NZ society.

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  111. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Coincidence?

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  112. Brian Harmer (687 comments) says:

    CharlieBrown (19) Vote: 84 15 Says:
    September 25th, 2009 at 10:31 am
    Her clear violation of democratic principals has been highlighted in the anti-smacking law.

    Dang. I was unaware of that. Have any of these violated principals complained?

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  113. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    When you read through this thread it is easy to see those who think politics is a game and identify those who are way to close to the MP’s and therefore about as divorced from reality as is humanly possible.
    I would also respectfully suggest that anybody who does not have kids of their own has no right to criticise the language used to describe Comrade Bradford for they could not possibly know the depth of feeling the anti smacking bill has generated.

    Parliament (and the public service in general) is about the most dishonest, backstabbing place on the face of the planet, you will often hear MP’s talk about somebody from across the house as “a nice person” while at the same time doing everything they can to destroy that person or fighting off attempts by that same “nice person” to destroy them, for some reason this is acceptable in their fucked up idea of “the game”.

    Meanwhile, out here in the real world we have to deal with the actions of Bradford, Clark and the others from the left who desperately want to control our lives for their own political ambitions.

    IMHO, Bradford had it coming, she has been accurately described by some here and those who take offence at that description should remember how easily Bradford used the words “men who smack their children are paedophiles” before getting on their high horse.

    And yes, you can add me to the list of people who would have absolutely no problem whatsoever telling her how I feel if I had the chance to do so face to face.

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  114. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Your and Sue’s paths will cross very soon Big Bruv – the Cycle Ride’s not far off. Remember every slight you’ve ever given her, Bruv. I know she will. Face to face, eh! Bradford on Bruv. Guard your lycra-encased loins, Big. Sue’s a’comin’!

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  115. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    “I would also respectfully suggest that anybody who does not have kids of their own has no right to criticise the language”

    I have kids of my own BB, and if I abused and put down like some here and my kids saw what had been posted I’d be very embarrassed.
    Often posters here go on about the declining standards, lack of respect and diminishing morals. Maybe it’s different posters that prove that.

    I haven’t seen or heard the paedophile comment, that would really piss me off if it was as described. But still I don’t think it justifies some of the levels of abuse.

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  116. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Perhaps I did not make myself clear, the point I was trying to make is that because you DO have kids you can comment, you have the right to comment and you have the right to be angry, ambivalent or even supportive of Comrade Bradford.

    I will say that I admire the way you can so easily brush off the paedophile comment, if anything justifies the level of abuse hurled at Bradford it is that little gem.

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  117. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Just saw Sue on the news. Asked about her regrets she said: “Not becoming the Minister of Social Development or Housing”

    Close call.

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  118. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..“I would also respectfully suggest that anybody who does not have kids of their own has no right to criticise..”

    are you talking about boscowan..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  119. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    philu: Try growing a brain instead of dope. I don’t have kids either, but I’m vehmently opposed to the anti-smacking legislation. How dare any government poke their noses into how a parent bring’s up their own chlidren.

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  120. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    “Not becoming the Minister of Social Development or Housing”

    The critically important ministry position for the astute third party Marxist.

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  121. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    bb: “the way you can so easily brush off the paedophile comment”

    I’m not trying to brush it off, I haven’t heard it, don’t know where it came from, when it was made and in what context it was made. I have searched and not found it yet. Funnily enough the only reference I can find is you being asked to back up the claim last year on the greens blog.

    # big bro Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    > I provided a link that proves what Keith said, I have also (in the past) provided links in the past to support the “pedophile�? statement.

    What your link on the ‘pedophile’ statement showed was of course that she didn’t say what you accused her of saying. You accused her of saying that all men who smacked their children did so for sexual gratification. What she actually said was that there was evidence of a small number of men getting sexual gratification from corporal punishment against their kids.

    If you can point to what was actually said I can comment on it then.

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  122. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    105 thumbs down for Mickeypoos. Does that beat the previous best?

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  123. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    that wooshing sound was something else going over marsdens’ head..(heh..!)

    there is just so much you ‘don’t get’..eh paul..?

    life must be a fog for you..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  124. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    What silly bunch of trolls you’ve collected David. Good luck weeding them out. Really.

    George/Phil, why air all the dirty laundry?

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  125. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    You are right actually big bruv, it was Bradford that took the gloves off on this issue, I can still remember the outrage I felt when she described all men that smack their kids as paedophiles, interestingly a green party member is attributing misogyny as the reason she left.
    In my opinion one of the greatest social issues in NZ is misandry being paraded around by the female political and activist elite.

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  126. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    What effing planet is John Cambell on? Oh so she never resorted to abusing her opponents John?
    WHAT A DICK!

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  127. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..why air all the dirty laundry?..”

    it’s not ‘dirty laundry’..

    it’s the reason bradford gave in her press conference..(the leadership loss..)

    where is the ‘dirty laundry’..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  128. Nomestradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf:

    105 thumbs down for Mickeypoos. Does that beat the previous best?

    Getting close – I believe the golden gong goes to Jacob Van Hartog (permanently banned), sitting on a karma rating of -130. As between Jacob using the phrase “your Nationalfront Party”, and Micky Savage singing Bradford’s praises, it’s certainly a close contest!

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  129. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Good riddance. Won’t be missed.

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  130. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Seven green bottles sitting on the wall,
    seven green bottles sitting on the wall,
    and if one green bottle should accidentally fall,
    how many green bottles sitting on the wall,

    six green bottles sitting on the wall,
    six green bottles sitting on the wall,

    Sorry have to stop and open another bottle, such is my delight.

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  131. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Cancel the delightment the green bastards have checked the whine list and cracked open another bad vintage from their cellar.

    When the whuck do we get this referendum on MMP??????

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  132. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    Someone said above she was polarising. That’s true. Unlike Muldoon however who had the same trait, she was unable to ever get more than a few % on her side of the coin.

    Yeah, she was passionate and effective within her small realm of those who supported her. Yeah, she genuinely cared about the working people from whom she came.

    But FFS, does that mean she was ever any good as a parliamentary representative? Childishly naive doesn’t even begin to describe some of her promulgated positions.

    Maybe she didn’t really believe them and was just playing the game in the belief that the lala perspective had a place in balancing the mix without the expectation they would ever be implemented. I mean, look what happened when they were…

    I really hope that was the case, that she was acting. (Goodness knows why). If however she really believed in the righteous practicality of her stated positions, then my taxes have been completely wasted on this particular parliamentarian and I shall forever resent my contribution to her retirement, for she actually, in fact, achieved nothing but harm.

    Practically, her contribution was what?

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  133. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Oh you will get a referendum, you just will not be offered the option of returning to first past the post.

    See, that is this parliaments idea of democracy, they will offer you a choice of

    1. More of the same
    2. More of something very similar
    3. More of something that sounds different but is almost exactly what we have now.

    On no account will the bastards ever offer us what we want, have you ever heard of pigs voting for the trough to be removed?

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  134. Robat (16 comments) says:

    Basically quitting because she lost the co-leadership election to Metiria Turei?

    Diddums.

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  135. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Is those pigs cousins of the turkeys who never vote for an early xmas then bruv?

    Wash yoh mouth out bruv–JonKey has offered this turkey a binding referendum. I know deep in my heart that JonKey is an honest man and will never try to twotime me.

    I also believe the sign in my local that says “Free beer tomorrow”.

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  136. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    “Hurf Durf:

    105 thumbs down for Mickeypoos. Does that beat the previous best?

    Getting close – I believe the golden gong goes to Jacob Van Hartog (permanently banned), sitting on a karma rating of -130″

    It is now -119 and I am surprised. I believe that Sue has been a very good MP and I meant every word that I said. I am amazed at the lack of empathy and compassion showed by the wingnuts.

    I also think that Simon Upton was a very good MP. He had the sense and understanding to get New Zealand to sign up for the Kyoto Protocol.

    These sorts of MPs who support ideas because they believe they are right, rather than popular, are very rare. We need more of them.

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  137. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    How does it feel to have joined that elite group of lunatics who have got over 100 disapprovals?

    I know what you mean, though. We need more batshit moonbat MPs like Bwadford and Upton to remind people how destructive these malignant tumours are.

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  138. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    “I believe that Sue has been a very good MP”

    Why, mickey?

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  139. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    “These sorts of MPs who support ideas because they believe they are right, rather than popular, are very rare. We need more of them.”

    Yeah Mick, but perhaps first we should find some MPs with some ideas that a bloody right first, and as far as a lack of empathy for Bradford goes why don’t you give her a big kiss on the cheek from me next time you are sipping Chardonnay together.

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  140. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    “Why, mickey?”

    Because micky is another blinded ideologue with not an original thought to offer and only tired old rhetoric, heck he even has to name drop to feel important.

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  141. Murray M (455 comments) says:

    I wonder if Helen has organised a cushy job for Bradford at the UN.

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  142. kaya (1,360 comments) says:

    My main feeling after a couple of hours reflection is one of great relief. The Green Party should improve their rating with her leaving. My other feeling is that list MP’s should not be allowed to introduce legislation to parliament, they have no mandate from the electorate to do that.
    If they can convince their party to run it as party policy good on them, let the party take the flak in the election. The expense and acrimony her legislation has caused will not be forgotten for many years.
    Now next, Keith Locke……

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  143. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    mickysavage – These sorts of MPs who support ideas because they believe they are right, rather than popular, are very rare. We need more of them.

    I kind of agree, there is something reassuring knowing what an MP or party stands for, and at least with SB we all knew what it was (even if it was nearly always the opposite of what I believed). Unfortunately, we cannot say that about the National Party or Labour party at this time.

    What is scary though is when someone with such poisonous beliefs gets to create laws based on those beliefs.

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  144. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    I wonder if Helen has organised a cushy job for Bradford at the UN

    Oh please let it be special envoy for anti-smacking reform in Iran or homosexual law reform in Afganastan. With her skills and passion the world really is her oyster.

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  145. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    Glad to see the back of her.

    Still she has done all-right for herself – we, the unwashed masses will continue to work our arses off to support her for the rest of her life.

    Shame she never did an honest day’s work in her life and actually contributed some tax to the Govt coffers.

    Take take take. They’re all leeches. Think you get rid off them, and they continue to suck at the government teat.

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  146. Alistair Miller (500 comments) says:

    “These sorts of MPs who support ideas because they believe they are right, rather than popular, are very rare. We need more of them.”

    So by your own admission, Mickey, you would admire an ACT MP forcing through legislation that slashed welfare spending, slashed (and flattened) tax rates and instructed the judiciary to give scumbag crims sentences that reflect the expectations of civilised society? I know I would. I’d vote for that bugger any day of the week. Now tell me, who actually voted for Commie Sue Bradford? Oh that’s right … nobody. Glad she’s gone, but worried about that havoc she’ll cause outside the confines of Parliament. My guess is the pretence at civilisation will be lost within a week and she’ll be back to the lunatic ranting and raving that characterised her “career” of contributing bugger-all prior to her entry into Parliament.

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  147. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    it’s not ‘dirty laundry’..

    it’s the reason bradford gave in her press conference..(the leadership loss..)

    I was aware of that Phil, just thought the way you and George bagged each other was unusual for you both given you share a party (I assume?)

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  148. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    Paul, I dislike Phil intensely because of his willful abuse of grammar. AFAIK Phil isn’t a member, and I’m a lapsed member (by way of being in Australia).

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  149. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    yeah..darroch has ‘willful abuse of grammar’..issues..with me..

    (what’s that..?.)…

    .oh..!..i don’t know if that means he is really anal in all things..

    maybe you should ask him..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  150. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    reason number 53 to hate phil ure..

    his ‘willful abuse of grammar’..

    (brilliant..!..eh..?..)

    and there was me thinking it must have been something i said..

    but no..it was how i said it..that makes darroch ‘dislike phil intensely’..

    (heh..!..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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