Anonymous smears

February 24th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

One of the anonymous authors at tried yesterday to smear over, well doing the right thing.

In a post they filed under the “corruption” category, they revealed that Murray McCully has shares in Widespread Portfolios. Except they did not in fact reveal it – McCully did in the MPs Annual Register of Pecuniary Interests. He’s declared every single year since the Register started in 2006.

Then in a piece of detective work worthy of Sherlock Holmes, they went to the homepage of Widespread Portfolios and managed to dig up (I a being sarcastic – it is at the top of their main page) the statement:

Widespread Portfolios Limited (stockmarket code WID) invests primarily in overseas-based mining and mineral exploration companies.

So this so called corrupt behavior from McCully was to declare he had shares in a company that declares it invests in mining companies.

Now not only has McCully behaved entirely appropriately, the value of his shares turns out to be $31.63. McCully has followed the PM’s lead and mooted giving the shares to the young Max Key. Poor Max must be wondering why he is becoming the target of unwanted share parcels. He should suggest to his Dad that he would rather have one of those Ministerial credit cards that Ministers have been disposing of :-)

looks stupid when he says:

Opposition leader Phil Goff said any shares in a mining company working in New Zealand represented a conflict of interest.

“Whenever there was a conflict of interest of any sort in the Cabinet I was part of, a minister was expected to remove him or herself from the room immediately and not participate in those discussions.”

What nonsense. Did half the Labour Cabinet remove themselves when they debated monetary policy, because they were owners of investment properties? Their interest was vastly more than $31.

A conflict of interest is generally about a decision to favour a specific company, not about policies that support a sector of the economy. Do farmers get excluded from decisions about primary production?

Exclusion on a conflict happens only when there is a direct beneficial interest, such as granting a contract to a company you have shares in – and even then, it has to be significant. If your super fund has lots of Telecom shares, that doesn’t mean you can’t ‘t be involved in decision on Telecom – again I suspect most of the Cabinet would have an indirect interest.

The major requirement around conflicts of interests is transparency. And McCully has complied 100%. As it happens, he had not even been present at any discussions on mining, but it is ridicolous of Goff to suggest he can’t be, because of $31 of shares.

But what really annoys me over The Standard’s labelling of this as corruption (the category they assigned to the story) is the immense double standards – and this applies to Phil Goff’s comments also.

Think back 18 months to Winston Peters. Here are the key facts in two cases:

  1. Winston knew of a $100,000 donation from Owen Glenn to his lawyer to cover his legal fees.
  2. Winston never ever declared this, as he was required to do so.
  3. Winston lobbied for Mr Glenn to be given a diplomatic appointment

But the more important case:

  1. Racing interests donated money to Winston Peters personally by paying his costs to Bob Clarkson.
  2. This personal donation of tens of thousands of dollars was never declared by Peters, and only exposed by the SFO
  3. The same racing interests also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to NZ First.
  4. Peters was the portfolio minister for racing under Helen Clark, yet never disclosed the personal donations, or the party donations. Arguably no need to disclose the party ones, but he was required to disclose the personal one.
  5. Peters advocated for more money for the racing industry, including having the taxpayer pay for bigger prizes for races.
  6. Officials strongly advised against doing this, but Cabinet agreed to the extra funding advocated by Peters, unaware that Peters was receiving large donations from racing interests.

Now one can argue Peters was genuinely motivated to help the racing industry, and the donations did not influence him. That is not the issue today.

The issue is that this was the most serious breach of the conflict of interest regime we have seen. A personal donation which directly benefited a Minister (by paying off his damages to Clarkson) was not declared, and that Minister directly lobbied for money to be given in prizes to the racing industry.

So this puts Phil Goff’s holier than thou statement about practises in the last Government in perspective. And remember Phil Goff voted against the Privileges Committee report, as Labour insisted Winston had not broken the rules.

But back to The Standard, what did they have to say about Winston’s conflicts at the time:

On 22 July:

For my part, I don’t see the big deal in all this Peters donation stuff. Transparency in election funding is important (and it’s something that National and ACT have constantly opposed) but there is no evidence of Peters has been purposely secretive.

So no big deal. And even better:

As for the Dompost’s ‘revelations’ today – various members of the Vela family and companies owned by the family gave amounts that may have totalled $150,000 to New Zealand First over a period of five years. So what? The donations are legal and, as long as NZF didn’t receive more $10,000 from any individual person (legal or natural) in one financial year, they didn’t have to be declared under the law of the time.

However the donation to pay Winston’s legal costs to Clarkson was required to be disclosed, but more importantly back then The Standard had no concern about sums 1,000 times greater than $31 going to parties or politicians, and the party leader directly advocating for policies that will benefit those donors.

And again on 23 September:

So, the committee found what everyone knew: Peters story doesn’t add up. But it also shows that this story isn’t really about anything significant. Oh, no, a politician didn’t make the efforts he should have to find out what benefit he may have gained from a legal donation, his form was wrong as a result, and he made up a story to try to cover himself. Shoddy behaviour to be sure but nothing that actually impacts on the substance of government.

So as Winston supported Labour, there was nothing of substance wrong. Never mind he didn’t declare the personal donations to cover his legal costs to Clarkson, and never mind the Labour Cabinet had no idea when Peters was advocating more money for racing prizes, he was receiving these donations from companies that are likely to benefit.

Peter’s conduct was probably the biggest breach of standards since the marginal loans affair. Yet to Phil Goff and The Standard, it was all okay.

Now let us admit that we all are coloured to some degree and see things more rosy for the side you tend to support. That is natural, and expected. We’re not neutral reporters.

But I find those who blog anonymously stretch that to breaking point – there is almost no misconduct they won’t defend for their own side, and they will label as corrupt basically anything that moves from the other side.

The Standard suggest McCully is corrupt for following the rules and declaring his $31 of shares (yes they did not know the amount, but the issue is McCully has acted entirely appropriately) yet they defended Winston time and time again over horrendous breaches of the conflicts of interest regime.

I regard myself as a mate of Phil Heatley. Have even stayed at his house and he is one of the nicest guys you can meet. But when the Dom Post published their story yesterday, I described the use of the ministerial credit card as totally unacceptable with no ifs and no buts.

Those who blog anonymously tend to use extreme language to smear people. They call them corrupt, crooked or racist or bigoted. They do so, because they don’t have to defend their comments in real life.

So here is my challenge to Eddie. Stop the extreme language against people just because their politics are not your own, or have the guts to blog under your real name.

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88 Responses to “Anonymous smears”

  1. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Lies and smearing are part of the essential toolkit for any self respecting Socialist. It’s in their DNA.

    The support and prevarication given to Peters all through his pantomine act by Labour were entirely cynical.

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  2. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    DPF

    You are not getting this are you; It’s OK when Labour (or one of their poodles) do it.

    Also you said; “Officials strongly advised against doing this, but Cabinet agreed to the extra funding advocated by Peters, unaware that Peters was receiving large donations from racing interests. “

    Are you sure they didn’t know ?

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  3. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Bahahahaha!
    This leftie does not bother reading The Standard.

    Serious Guy Fawkes takes this vewwy, vewwy sewiously though…

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  4. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    I wrote a post yesterday on the idea that Glass Earth (one of Widespread’s NZ investments) might benefit from the mining proposals.

    It’s highly unlikely. They’re busy with large areas and trying to get a working mine to generate income.

    For a holding of $31.63, McCully’s chances of making an inside killing through Widespread’s small holding in Glass Earth are a big, fat, zero.

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  5. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    It is Goff’s constant carping and negative waves that are the focus of the story. He is just brilliant in the job. Happy Days.

    How is the Islands of Sodors very special trainset doing? Worth every dollar? Geez there must have been a big Q of competitive bids for that beauty.

    Is that why Cullen paid 6x valuation? And treats for luck money. But as the poster on here called Savage suggested that NO price was too high to get it back into Public Ownership. Socialism, a fun filled fanatstic game of being fair to everyone until you run out of everyone’s money.

    Wonder what the contributions to UNDP from NZ are like now? Still paying more than OZ? Or having gotten Helen her job, not as urgent right now?

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  6. ben (2,384 comments) says:

    High time the Standard was done for libel.

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  7. Fisiani (1,048 comments) says:

    The Standard is inhabited by a small cadre of socialists. It is just a mere mutual digital masturbation blog. When anyone posts a counter post showing a degree of intelligence or acumen they get banned for their temerity. Trevor Mallard is sadly heading the same way at Red Alert.

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  8. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    Of course Trevor is heading the same way, you can’t maintain a lie while people are posting the truth. NRT gives us insight into how the standard and red alert will end up – a place where absurd things can be stated as facts with no dissenting views published.

    Disclaimer: I’m banned from the standard (till mid March) for insisting that Marty G. stop saying homosexuality was the same type of genetic condition as Down’s syndrome. (Marty said Down’s was a recessive gene…. the man is a munter of the highest order)

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  9. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    As noted above, the standard is a lefty wank rag especially with its’ spanking tabloid layout.

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  10. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (563 comments) says:

    Why people bother with the Standard is beyond me. Small minded pinko’s that will never amount to anything. Let them fester in their own shit.

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  11. Le Grande Fromage (145 comments) says:

    I find it hard to get worked up about the shrill internet wailings of a few 16 year old ideologs and parasitic union lackeys all lead by a creepy 50 year old [deleted by DPF and 50 demerits] uncle type (Lyn Prentce).

    The only reasons they are such vehement lefties is that they are the children of poor losers. The embarrasment and shame they felt growing up has manifested itself as jealousy and hatred of anyone who manages to provide a decent standard of living for themselves or their families.

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  12. Paulus (2,672 comments) says:

    Why is the IRD silent, or are they.

    Peters received income from a third party to settle his debt with Clarkson.

    Albeit somebody else paid it was on his behalf and surely could seriously be considered income and subject to income tax.

    Or am I missing something?

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  13. Blue Coast (165 comments) says:

    This has to to be the scandel of the year. With that huge shareholding McCully can demand the company get involved with mining in NZ with particular interest in the Coromandel.

    He will make a killing !!!

    Standard fuckwits showing their IQ levels in public thinking no ones know who they are.

    The Peters corruption and the pledge card alone with the trainset disastor I would have thought the lefties would stop giving us bullets to fire.

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  14. SBY (121 comments) says:

    Eddie on The Standard asked a number of perfectly reasonable questions about McCully’s ownership of mining shares and whether McCully had a conflict of interest. At that time we didn’t know how many shares McCully owned.

    Sure there was probably no actual conflict, given the value of McCully’s shares, but when conflict of interest issues arise, often it is the perception of a conflict that matters more than the reality. McCully must acknowledge that this is not a good look, or else why would he now be trying to get rid of those shares?

    BTW, I’m not defending the use of the word “corruption” by The Standard – the label wasn’t an appropriate one.

    “Those who blog anonymously tend to use extreme language to smear people. They call them corrupt, crooked or racist or bigoted. They do so, because they don’t have to defend their comments in real life.”

    Does that comment also apply to the numerous anonymous posters of comments on this site?

    [DPF: There was a reasonable post The Standard could have done on the shares issue. But they didn’t do it. They declared in the headline McCully had been caught.]

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  15. redqueen (583 comments) says:

    I think we should go even further: if you pay tax, you should be excluded from tax discussions as a conflict of interest. What bigger conflict of interest is there? It’s time we all get very tough on disclosure and make sure that anyone who knows anything about a subject is excluded by whatever means are at our disposal. This appears to be Phil Goff’s, and Labour’s, opinion of the situation. While it has a stench of populism to it, I think they really are this foolish. Given that tax is, in many ways, the most expensive thing we’ll ever pay on a regular basis (as it eats up 30+ per cent of GDP and my income, all things thrown in) that would be the logical first step for exclusions and this would lead to absurdities (whether requiring that we disclose all tax information or simply barring people who pay it from participating). As DPF has noted, the issue with conflicts of interest is dislosure and signficance, but also honesty. If they’re honest about their intentions, then we can vote for or against them accordingly. Sadly, on that basis alone Labour can’t be voted for.

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  16. Crampton (215 comments) says:

    Whenever I read the Standard, I just remember this XKCD and move on…

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  17. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Eddie is an author not a garden variety poster but hides her labour party role under the eddie handle.

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  18. ephemera (557 comments) says:

    @Guy Fawkes

    If you want a reply to any of your posts on this site, it helps to stay on topic.

    Your knowledge of NZ politics won’t dazzle the locals if what you are writing is completely unrelated to the conversation.

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  19. davidp (3,588 comments) says:

    $31.63?!

    The Standard authors are like those people in the Maccas TV advertisements that get all excited because someone has given them (or they’ve just won) $3. Sad wankers!

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  20. Tassman (234 comments) says:

    The corrupt that’s unearthing from the cabinets of the National government renders anyone who is convicted of the same dealings a political prisoner. Release Taito P. Field and compensate Huata now or send the whole lot of them to prison…

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  21. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    when conflict of interest issues arise, often it is the perception of a conflict that matters more than the reality.

    “Perception matters more than the reality” seems to come up a bit – does that become the aim of the day, create a smear perception and bugger the reality?

    It’s a tactic not confined to “the left”/socialists/The Standard, it happens here too.

    There is a major irony for someone who is anonymous talking about full disclosure.

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  22. SBY (121 comments) says:

    ““Perception matters more than the reality” seems to come up a bit – does that become the aim of the day, create a smear perception and bugger the reality?”

    Sorry, but that’s just how conflict of interest issues work in the real world – whether in the fields of corporate governance, law, or politics. Putting yourself in a position where you could be perceived as being in a potential conflict of interest, even if one doesn’t in the end exist, is a no-no. That’s why McCully decided to get rid of his shares as soon as this issue arose.

    “There is a major irony for someone who is anonymous talking about full disclosure.”

    I assume you mean me. Anyone can find my name in about ten seconds by clicking my username and going to my blog profile. And I’m not demanding full disclosure. I was merely pointing out the double standard.

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  23. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Whenever I read the Standard, I just remember this XKCD and move on…

    Academics: can’t get the projector working (‘is anyone here good with computers?’), can’t do the link-thingy right! :-D

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  24. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Quite right SBY, the stundurd should be called the Double Stundurd

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  25. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    I wasn’t thinking of you when I said that SBY.

    Eddie:”Did McCully declare his conflict of interest at any point; if so, when?”

    Did Eddie declare his/her interest in this? Was Eddie trying to genuinely and impartially raise an issue, or trying to score some political points and add a bit of smear to an opposing party?

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  26. SBY (121 comments) says:

    Sorry Pete – I thought you meant me, as you had also responded to something I said.

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  27. Michael (911 comments) says:

    Oh well, the “Crosby Textor secret agenda” that they bleated about last year hasn’t transpired those lefties need a new conspiracy theory to fill the gap.

    Next year can we expect a new theory involving Xenu controlling John Key! (To which I say: Hail Xenu!)

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  28. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    I must say, I got sick of hearing about Crosby Textor. Maybe Labour should have hired them instead of the useless lot they did get .. and still seem to have now. Who really came up with this latest bus trip?

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  29. Gosman (324 comments) says:

    I was enjoying having some robust debate on The Standard recently but it has now got to a stage where they start accusing anyone associated with the Government of corruption on the slenderest of pretexts and anyone wishing to point out the inconsistencies and absurdities in their poisition is accused of covering up.

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  30. peterwn (3,312 comments) says:

    Should it not be called “The Double Standard” – but hey! years ago some group put up look-alike newspaper billboards with that name. I will not say what my favourite one was lest I get donged 5 demerits (I can only spare 90).

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  31. Doug (410 comments) says:

    Don’t tell Labour!!
    Labour should dissociate it’s self from the Red Rag Standard, they will be doing more harm than good for the Labour brand. We can only hope Labour keeps quoting the Standard and attracting readers. It will harm the Labour brand every time a new reader finds the Red Rag.

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  32. Crampton (215 comments) says:

    @Stephen – Ha! I did the usual tag, it looked blue. Is http://xkcd.com/386/

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  33. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    David

    You will continue to get upset because of your naivety in expecting anything more from these deadbeats, including Goff Mallard etc, than we actually got over nine years and continue to get since. What you see is what they are. So be a good fellow and flag the obsequious and fawning pieces; like mallard riding his stupid bloody (push) bike, or Goff needing to apologise about past misdeeds, and just stick the boot into these pricks because they deserve no less. Don’t waste your time expecting anything more from these crooked and odious little reinventers of history and don’t take them seriously. Hold them up for what they are. You don’t need to justify your criticism or try and demonstrate your evenhandedness by referring to your comments regarding Heatly’s undeniable stupidity and insurmountable learning impediment. The hypocrisy of Goff/Standard over this is self-evident when compared to the Peter’s business. It speaks for itself – no comment required and no need to justify posting it.

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  34. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    http://xkcd.com/562/

    I like the underlying message that socialists are using resources inefficiently and its up to us to reshape their policies into more efficient form. Kinda like gas axing their car in half only not quite as fun.

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  35. Tassman (234 comments) says:

    It has become the norm now that the first page of the News is highlighted with bad news and follow: ‘..teenage accused of beating up a policeman; 15 year old school boy drowned in the river; disabled man beaten by caregivers; TVNZ profit halves..’.

    It doesn’t follow that bad news don’t pay, but it proves that when the market is itself bad news, who wants to watch second hand news on TV? Actually, it doesn’t follow that the market should be validly stable when the capitalists among the rulers are not…

    The proof of the pudding is sure lingering on and on until next election….

    But did you also notice the new face of death; Mr. Keith Quinn ensures capital exploitation pays the front man. I’m not going to watch any more sports he’s on… watch next, beat sports to death!

    Ohh the darkness..

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  36. Gosman (324 comments) says:

    You just have to love the logic of some of the regulars at The Standard.

    Some are now claiming that because DPF made this post here it must mean that they are on to something as he is now on the defensive!?!

    It is like trying to argue with 5 year olds.

    [DPF: retarded five year olds]

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  37. freethinker (696 comments) says:

    So glad you reminded us of the multiple Peters scams, any chance of asking an OIA request on what action is being taken/proposed? Time for Peters to be held to account – should stuff any chance of NZ1 getting anymore votes than from their families next time around.

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  38. lastmanstanding (1,304 comments) says:

    Yet again the Socialists pollies illustrate their ignorance of not only governance in general but corporate governance in particular.

    We seem to have a distinct lack of even the basic principles. They either open their mouths and spout nonsense as in the case against Muzza or they ignore as in the case of Luigi.

    This is why they lack the capacity and capibility to govern.

    Afterall good governance is about good ethics good morals and plain common sense qualities that the LEFT no nothing of.

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  39. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Ahh the Standard, now theres a steller group of useful idiots.

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  40. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,924 comments) says:

    They are like the gang who hired the biggest launch in town and went out after marlin. Came home with a couple of under size Kahawai.

    All that noise, all that effort and nothing of value to show for it.

    Yes, an earlier commentor is right. The infantile Standard and it’s vacuous screeching is damaging Labour now.

    Long live The Standard.

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  41. oob (191 comments) says:

    The Standard, the echo chamber for the indolent and the criminal that make up the core Labour support.

    Reading The Standard causes me to imagine a world without the Labour electorate. What would New Zealand be like without Labour voters? Extrapolate with me for a moment.

    Taxation would be minuscule and the tax take would be, for the first time in New Zealand’s history, used for what it should be; benefiting the common good. We’d have world-class services provided by the State alongside low taxation if the consistent burden of the welfare-guzzing Labour electorate was no longer with us.

    Crime would be almost unheard of. In the absence of the crime-committing classes that form the basis of the Labour constituency, decent New Zealanders would be free from the threat of the criminal depredations of the Labour voters.

    Our children would have education instead of indoctrination. The extreme-Left ideology programmed into the education system that our children are currently subjected to would be replaced with education to provide skills for the modern workforce.

    Productivity would be high and economic performance along with it. The welfare-gobbling layabouts parasiting off our taxes who are the very core of Labour’s support base would no longer be with us, siphoning off the taxation from our hard-earned toils.

    Immigration policy would favour those from other countries who would contribute to New Zealand society, rather than being a welfare drain upon us.

    Finally, we’d no longer be subjected to the far-Left extremist, anti-Kiwi hate of those such as the contributors at The Standard, whose sole aim is the disestablishment of everything the rest of us have built and worked for.

    We’ve had the Labour electorate for more than a century. The proof of that century is this; no matter how much tax we pay, no matter how much money we throw at them, the Labour constituency simply will never live productive, law abiding lives.

    The challenge for this generation of Kiwis is this; ensuring that New Zealand is never again subjected to the depredations of a Labour-led government..

    ..and encouraging the Labour electorate to leave.

    It’s our country. We built it. Contribute, obey the law, or leave.

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  42. Gosman (324 comments) says:

    Oooooooerrrrr!

    You have riled them up the David. lprent has climbed into the debate now.

    Apparently DPF is a known hypocrite and a bit of an idiot.

    And they have the nerve to call Kiwiblog ‘The sewer’

    LOL!!!!

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  43. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    I still refuse to read their crap

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  44. Chicken Little (741 comments) says:

    Gosman – I must say I’ve enjoyed watching your movements in the last couple of months from the North Korean like Tumeke ( get sick of bombers little tricks pretty quick aye?) over to Hot Topic (denier site) and the Stranded.

    Most entertaining. Thanks.

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  45. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    I would much rather swim in a sewage pond than visit the sub standard funny farm. Iprent and Irish Bill are a couple of feminazi dykes who work in the propaganda business. I feel sick just thinking of the sewer blog. Yuck, you’ll catch something nasty visiting that cess pit.

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  46. Steve (4,591 comments) says:

    Iprent is getting pissed off – anytime soon a gasket will blow

    Attracting all sorts of interest, there’s a blowfly hanging around

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  47. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “there’s a blowfly hanging around”

    Don’t you mean a swarm of blowflies, the sewer is crawling with standard size maggots.Spray the place please.

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  48. Steve (4,591 comments) says:

    starting to look that way D4J

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  49. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Is Phillip Mason – that roger nome #### still rolling around in the maggot shit?

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  50. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Lynn is an angry old groomer.

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  51. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    bet his site traffic is down so he’s attempting to create a circle jerk for the faithful.

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  52. Daniel Silva (10 comments) says:

    SBY: “Does that comment also apply to the numerous anonymous posters of comments on this site?”

    Indeed. The most plausible reason for anonymity when expressing an opinion is cowardice.

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  53. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “The most plausible reason for anonymity when expressing an opinion is cowardice.”

    For eaxmple, big blouse, toad, Bevan and dime.

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  54. Inventory2 (10,442 comments) says:

    I wonder which Eddie it is – the female one allegedly named Jenny, or the male one allegedly named Conor. Or perhaps The Standard has unleashed a new Eddie on us.

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  55. PaulL (6,048 comments) says:

    What about the Green corruption of actively advocating for policies such as free insulation and solar subsidies, whilst owning significant interests in companies that supply those products? I still maintain that is the one that looks the worst. I still choose to believe that the Greens actually have the planets best interests at heart, but that that example just shows why this pontificating about “conflict of interest” is stupid.

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  56. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    I still refuse to read their crap

    Nah, you cant compare the Standards posts to crap – crap has nutrients and is therefore it is useful.

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  57. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    I have wondered from time to time if the raft of anon authors at the standard are either code bots built by the brilliant programmer lprent or if they are just aliases he uses. Code bots seems quite likely because they lack basic reasonable logic such as not shooting themselves in the foot every time they have their moment. Case in point – having defended Winston & Taito (well having defended Clarkenstien for protecting them) they then go ballistic over something like this.

    Very weird, If I were not banned for telling Marty G that homosexuality and down’s syndrome are not comparable from a genetic perspective I would be over there laughing at them myself.

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  58. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    as the voting age in NZ is 18, I believe the Substandard should be closed down until they prove that the site owner is in fact 18 or more

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  59. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    jaba

    Oh he’s over 18 for sure. He has a degree in earth science you know. Oh and an MBA and he’s a top end programmer and frankly so much smarter than the rest of us that he just gets annoyed with our stupidity.

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  60. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    Da wun I’d really loike is dat wun dat calls himself Oirish Billy. What a roight gentleman he is.

    Fool of de logical thort he is himself. Whoit a credit to de dampt foine Oirish upbringing he is to be shure to be shure.

    Oi have here de websight of de said Oirish geneous if any of youse capitalist faggots wish to stoidy and emulate soich a man of distinction as himself at all at all.

    http://www.partypop.com/Vendors/4072467.htm

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  61. Inventory2 (10,442 comments) says:

    But he can’t count burt. Lynn banned me in November for six months for suggesting that Eddie is a Labour Party staffer. He signed off the banning with “See you in April” – five months! He probably won’t see me in April though; if you get a six-month ban for stating that Eddie is a Labour Party staffer (without naming names), how long would you get banned for if you suggested that Eddie was (or at various times has been) Jenny Michie or Conor Roberts?

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  62. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    sometimes people with high IQ’s are the stupidest when it comes to commonsense issues.
    I recommend he access minimonos to stimulate himself .. apparently it’s a website going off at the moment.

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  63. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    “He probably won’t see me in April though”

    Course he bloody will! You just can’t resist going round there to have a go. :)

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  64. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    I click onto the sub standard sewer farm and my keyboard starts crawling with maggots. Even Raid don’t work.

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  65. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    lprent’s arrogance astounds me. I’ve worked with some incredibly smart people over the years and one thing that is constant is that very smart people don’t need to tell you how smart they are. However the mediocre smart people brag about their brilliance all the time.

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  66. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    He’s an angry old fuckwit with no life. Really quite funny.

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  67. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    This is classic lprent;

    gitmo
    24 February 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Do you try to come across as an arrogant front bum or does it come naturally ?

    Oh and it can’t be anonymous smearing if you’ve put your real name to it.

    lprent’s response

    lprent 24 February 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Oh I am… I’m afraid that being arrogant is part of the job requirement for being a programmer (or being a manager, or doing an MBA for that matter). You have to be arrogant enough to force problems through to a workable solution.

    The same goes for being a sysop. Go and read the Bastard Operator From Hell….

    Just be grateful that you get the arrogance for free, while companies that employ me have to pay for it.

    Yep, I’m so smart I’m allowed to be arrogant…..

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  68. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    How did Prentice get the work doing study aid software in the text books for Prentice-Hall publishers?

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  69. burt (8,322 comments) says:

    expat

    He probably told them that they needed him to do it because nobody else had any ideas and that it was “my way or the highway” and of course people love that sort of arrogance so he got the job.

    (or more likely, he was unemployed because he’s an arrogant son of a bitch and he did it for free to plug another long gap in his CV)

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  70. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    explains the full time anger and focus on duh! stundurd

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  71. big bruv (14,162 comments) says:

    The idiots at the Standard really seem to becoming more and more unhinged with each passing week. I think that it has finally dawned on them that they are destined to be in the political wilderness for the next nine to twelve years.

    It is almost as if they are standing in the middle of Lambton Quay with a megaphone yelling at the top of their voice and nobody is taking any notice, the level of arrogance shown by Iprent and the rest of the contributors is beyond belief, one would get the impression that they are still running the country such is their sense of ‘born to rule” arrogance.

    The level of naked hatred shown indicates that they know they are losing the battle, for the mean time it seems that the only way they can deal with this level of frustration is to attack anybody who they see as a weak link or one who is close to the Nat’s.

    Expect a lot more of this type of thing, they (Lefties in general) do not seem to be able to function any other way, instead of actually listening to the country to try and find out where they went wrong these idiots seem to think a good old fashioned socialist rant is all that is needed to have the masses come flooding back to them.

    The silly thing about this is that I believe Key is ripe for the taking, a decent opposition would be able to see this and start making some major inroads into Key’s lead in the polls, fortunately for the National party cheer leaders the left are still in denial.

    A new leader, an admission that they got some things very wrong under Clark and a clear out of all of Clark’s old cronies would see a reemergence of Labour in a very short space of time, oh, and the new leader needs to make a collect phone call to the UN and tell dear corrupt ex leader to fuck up, stay away and keep her nose right out of things.

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  72. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    I wonder if the kiddies at the Substandard blog during TV2’s “big bang theory” it seems some of them would relate to it .. excluding the attempts at humour of course.

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  73. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    has anyone carefully (to avoid being covered in spittle) asked the kiddies who they think will take over from Phil when he eventually falls on his sword?

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  74. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    Paulis

    You are correct, you are missing something

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  75. YesWeDid (1,051 comments) says:

    If the Standard is so ‘irrelevant’ and ‘out of touch’ why are there over 70 comments here?

    You have to hand it to ‘Eddie’ and ‘IPrent’, I’m sure they are tempted but they don’t lower themselves and comment here.

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  76. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    Are you low enough YesWeDid? Or do you think you raise the average standard?

    How do you know ‘Eddie’ and ‘IPrent’ don’t comment here? Seems like they must read here a bit or they wouldn’t know what they are talking about, is that just stooping a bit?

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  77. big bruv (14,162 comments) says:

    YesWedid.

    And over 55 comments over at the Standard attacking DPF for no real reason.

    Iprent often drops by for a hit and run comment, staying and debating the issues is not really his style as like all bullies he cannot handle not being in control or setting the rules.

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  78. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    It must be tiring putting up with so much personal abuse DPF, you have my sympathy for that.

    But all it shows is how desperate and out of touch the commies are.

    Bit of a below the belt from D4J at 8.50pm too on that thread… unless its someone pretending to be him

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  79. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    NB nickb – JUST FOR THE RECORD. I have NOT commented at the Standard this year. I cannot read it as they have blocked access to the shit hole blog.FACT to which I can prove. Another friggin d4j imposter. God save me from these creeps. When will they stop the sick game?

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  80. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    My apologies D4j, that’s what I thought would be most likely.

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  81. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    See how low people like toad and blouse go. Do you understand my frustration with impostors. Both yahoo and google are looking into my various complaints. My accounts are constantly hacked. Fact to which I can prove. What did the impostor say nick as I cannot read the blog?

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  82. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    That DPF resembled Mark Lundy…. heh. What a bunch of morons they are at that cesspit

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  83. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    That is low and I expect that slimeball toad(maybe blouse) is behind it. David F is a good bloke whom I have met with in Wellington while on a mission. The greens are malice cowards capable of nasty low down tactics of filth. They did say that the internet would become a satanic tool.

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  84. Robert Black (423 comments) says:

    Well, I am quite pleased with the comment I just posted there.

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  85. Robert Black (423 comments) says:

    That site sucks.

    Totally weak, loose and unprofessional.

    I just went there and confronted one of the “authors”, Lizzie something, sorry forgot her name.

    Despite the fact she could not even effectively use simple punctuation and grammar she did manage to call me:

    “A inarticulate troll from the UK.”

    I think she meant, “AN inarticulate troll from the UK.”

    But who knows?

    Then she went on to call me a “nut”.

    I called her stupid.

    It was fun.

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  86. big bruv (14,162 comments) says:

    Bloody hell!

    The thugs at the Labour party and EPMU funded Standard really have gone over the top.

    That Iprent in particular is a complete and utter twat, for him to allow that comment from some c**t calling himself D4J at 8.50pm (and please note D4J that I am not blaming you for that comment) is simply not acceptable.

    To think that they have the balls to call this place the sewer!

    I hope more people start to read the Labour party and EPMU funded standard because those who do will be reminded why the people of NZ kicked out Labour and why the wankers will be in opposition for years to come.

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  87. Le Grande Fromage (145 comments) says:

    These inter blog stoushes are excellent and should take place more often.

    I would love to get involved but I dont have the time because at the moment I am writing the most complex piece of code ever (no other mortal would be capable). I also have to polish my MBA and ponder why I am so superior to everyone else.

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  88. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    someone posted as me (2 b’s) on Gotcha yesterday .. wasn’t rude or anything but not too happy. I don’t need anyone else to get me in the shit

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