Cactus on Whale

May 30th, 2010 at 6:44 pm by David Farrar

The Herald on Sunday had a story on today, and his wife was on news tonight. It’s difficult to see someone’s personal life and challenges laid so bare.

Cactus Kate has done a post on this, which says things so well, I’m going to do something I almost never ever do, and quote it in its entirety.

appears to have been reading the sad plight of my mate and the mate of many bloggers, Whaleoil aka .

Today is probably the most truthful article yet on Whaleoil because it was written with cut and pasted words from his wife and best mate aka Spanish Bride from his blog.

I’ve only known Cameron for a few years and all the time I have known him has been under the mantra of Whaleoil. Unlike SB, I have not known him as Cameron, before his spiral into depression.

I don’t know all the background of his fight with Fidelity and what led up to his depressive state, because I wasn’t there. SB was. She remarks that he was a different man before the events leading to his illness. I believe that now totally.

There is no one else I have ever met quite like Cameron as Whaleoil. His behaviour is outrageous. Friends compared notes and said that this is just him. It is not. What makes me astonished though with Fidelity’s conduct is that they do not seem to have at any stage lead him to get help. That is medical help and counselling for rehabilitation. It used to be humourous watching Whaleoil be outrageous. It is now not so fun anymore once everyone has worked out he has a genuine problem.

The answer with Doctors has always been to prescribe more bloody pills. Whaleoil is on more pills than patients at mental homes. I know this because unknown to him I checked his dosage on his pillpackets and asked someone I know who works at an actual mental hospital. He is sedated by a cocktail of these pills which leave him tired, moody and disconnected with the world. When I realised his dosage, I knew the seriousness of the black hole he had fallen into. He’s tried to come off the pills, that too has had bad consequences.

I hate pills as a solution for depression. They are not and they are over-prescribed. I hate watching all too many friends zombie around on them. They are not real people while sedated under the latest and greatest profit minded cure to make everyone “happy”. The underlying problem still remains and I can’t see any joy on being reliant on a pill to be happy, or even stable enough to get out of bed. It takes away the human nature of being happy and sad and managing both states.

Whaleoil does not think consequences, SB has highlighted that all too clearly. He will be fine sitting with you in a bar watching you drink (contrary to popular opinion he does not drink regularly and I’ve only seen him drunk once) then the slightest irritant across the bar and he will be talking about smacking another person’s head in. Change the topic and his attention away and he’s forgotten five minutes later of even being angry.

While medicated and unassisted emotionally with any form of therapy, he simply cannot work. The easiest question for doubters that he can be integrated into the workforce for a 40 hour week is this: would you want Whaleoil working in your office? Five minutes with him and any HR representative would instantly dismiss his job application. Fidelity’s treatment has turned an otherwise creative, intelligent mind into a zombie who now firmly believes he cannot work. At the moment I am on the side of stating that he cannot.

Whaleoil is a great friend because he cares about his friends, but an unreliable one. That is, even the slightest task you know he may not do it on time. As the reliable party in the relationship you have to organise everything around Whaleoil not being able to perform his part. This frustrates him when he realises what has happened.

Insurance companies are not paid to care. I feel however they are paid to follow contracts and assist their clients back into the workforce so they are not made to rely on payouts. There’s no doubt in my mind that Cameron Slater as Whaleoil is one of the most clinically depressed people I have ever met. While the original event leading to this depression may have been minor in the scheme of things Fidelity and the medical professionals who treated him from that point in time have failed miserably and created Whaleoil as we all read him today on his blog.

Fidelity created the monster that is Whaleoil. There is no doubt about that after watching him the past few months. Even when Fidelity were still paying him, the posts were written when he wasn’t actually getting better. On a few good days, a Whaleoil post can be brilliantly coherent, well-reasoned and rational. On a bad day a Whaleoil post can be the most offensive thing on the internet.

There is only so much that friends and family can do for Whaleoil. The frustrating thing is that no one can wave a magic wand and make him better. It has gone past that and I’ve seen everyone try. His close family we can see have tried everything. His wife and kids are amazing in the circumstance, their love is unconditional.

Whaleoil needs serious medical attention from medics without a conflict of interest from working for an insurance company or more medics who border on being criminals in my view – the depression script writers. They should be given Oscars for their script writing abilities. He needs a time out, away from the stresses of modern life getting back to basics of routine and normality. But most of all he needs help and therapy to re-connect with himself, his old self. The one that his wife speaks of but most bloggers would never have seen.

Cameron Slater.

Heard that he is a fucking great bloke.

If found that bloke, I’m sure they would have a case closed and not look like the bunch of cunts they will be made to look like when it is disclosed they haven’t done a single thing, other than medication, to try and find him.

Cactus has said it all.

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72 Responses to “Cactus on Whale”

  1. Bed Rater (239 comments) says:

    “It’s difficult to see someone’s personal life and challenges laid so bare.”

    Which is why I can’t really read WOBH much these days, its a big self-pitying circle jerk.

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  2. dad4justice (7,718 comments) says:

    ” medics who border on being criminals in my view – the depression script writers”

    But over one million kiwi’s are on the prescribed happy pills. New Zealand is a sad country. Criminals everywhere. You can spot the bloggers on the pills.

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  3. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    I had no idea he was so unwell. I hope he gets better soon.

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  4. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Is a sad situation. Hope he gets better soon, and that his wife or himself are able to find some decent work out there.

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  5. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Like Cactus, I’m dismayed at the level of medication deemed essential for the so-called depressed. I have a couple of family members and some acquaintances who are helping drug companies with their EBIT. I wonder how often good old garden-variety unhappiness is classified as depression so it can be remediated with medication? Not suggesting this is the case for for Whale, he’s clearly pretty ill.

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  6. Cactus Kate (545 comments) says:

    Dad4Justice

    While I doubt your stats I will not disagree with any conclusion that medics over-prescribing these pills are masking the underlying problems. Which they don’t actually treat.

    Bed Rater

    Watch the TV3 interview where Whale’s wife states that a psychologist told WO to start blogging as an outlet for his anger!

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  7. Ferdinand (93 comments) says:

    Cameron’s problems didn’t stop the National party using him as a conduit for their smear campaigns. Cactus says Fidelity Life “created the monster that is Whaleoil” I says David Farrar and Jason Ede can share the credit too. If they had an ounce of loyalty they’d have coughed up to pay his mortgage until he got back up on his feet.

    [DPF: 30 demerits for smearing Jason Ede. You need to get over your obsession with him.]

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  8. dad4justice (7,718 comments) says:

    Nice post Cactus Kate and I genuinely feel for Whale and his family. I just assumed that we have well over one million kiwis popping happy pills as in 2008 the drug funding agency Pharmac says doctors wrote 1.2 million happy pill prescriptions. Just look how many politicians are on them.

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  9. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Piss off Ferdinand

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  10. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Oh and is there a way we can contribute to his legal costs? I heard something about a fund being set up by his lawyer?

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  11. Cactus Kate (545 comments) says:

    D4J – don’t you have to go back and get another script for the repeats? :)

    If it is 1.2 million people out of 4 million, then that would be just utterly shameful.

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  12. Steve (4,489 comments) says:

    Hear hear Cactus Kate. Pay the premiums and fully insured until you make a claim. Same with ACC, another story.

    Feed pills to control the voter, takes a while to get off some of the pain drugs even.
    I mean the depressed still vote. WO has been dumped on his arse by greedy money people.
    wtf is the use in paying the fee to insure when you have to fight to claim? just a game for Fidelity and ACC

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  13. Steve (4,489 comments) says:

    Cactus, it is no problem to get 120 Tramadol, even now when I am back at work. I do not take them anymore, not for 6 weeks

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  14. Thomas the Unbeliever (141 comments) says:

    I had not seen this article when I commented earlier today about Whaleoil’s blog in the General Debate. I have copied my comment below.

    As someone who works a lot with both mental illness and head injury patients, I have every sympathy for the situation that has been described. I have little confidence in most insurance companies (especially ACC) to work effectively with these complicated situations. In my experience, the insurance companies put the patients under the very sort of pressure that just makes things worse.

    I recognise the lack of empathy Whaleoil appears to demonstrates (which his wife acknowledges) with the same behaviour from some of my own clients. That must make him very difficult to be around on a regular basis. It also makes his blogging difficult to support – especially in recent months.

    That said – I stand by my earlier comments. From what I have seen (which I acknowledge is limited to his blog) supporting Cameron Slater to good health – and supporting his blogging in his current condition – appear to be mutually exclusive.

    My previous posted comment:
    “Is it just me – or does Whaleoil increasingly sound like Howard Beale from “Network”? Judging by the recent tone of his blog, there is no doubting that he is “as mad as hell” – but in this instance I am the one choosing not to take it any more.

    Those of you who know Whaleoil personally (I do not) – yet still encourage him on – seem no better than the “mates” who repeatedly let their friend drive home drunk. Whilst he is responsibile for his actions in choosing to drink and drive – so are you for yours for choosing to let him drive without censure.

    I believe strongly in freedom of expression and personal responsibility. But I also believe that reponsibility extends to how we choose to encourage or censure those around us. Continuing to encourage Whaleoil’s downward spiral is a great spectator sport – and morbidly fascinating. However, I for one choose to no longer join in the spectacle. I am surprised to find that there are limits to my stomach for this sort of voyeurism. I will get my kicks elsewhere.”

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  15. Cactus Kate (545 comments) says:

    Thanks Steve. Hope to see you pilot that 747 shortly :). Christ.

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  16. Inventory2 (10,085 comments) says:

    Great post by CK – it’s time for Fidelity Life to honour its contract to WO. They could still emerge with a modicum of dignity, and with their coporate reputation partially intact.

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  17. Cactus Kate (545 comments) says:

    Thomas the Unbeliever

    Watch the TV3 article. Whaleoil’s wife states that a psychologist told Whale to blog for an outlet of his anger. Hindsight being a wonderful thing and all. Yet more proof of the failure of supposed professionals in treating Whaleoil’s depression.

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  18. Inventory2 (10,085 comments) says:

    @ nickb (7.16pm) – check Stephen Franks’ blog – he was going to organise something last week.

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  19. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Ok thanks Inv

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  20. Steve (4,489 comments) says:

    Thomas the wanker,
    go fuck yourself, WO is the David and Goliath thing. You say one thing against Insurance Companies and then turn around and blame comments on WO’s Blog for encouraging him to stand up!!
    You see that little hole that you crawled out of? well fucking crawl back in, and we will see you in the 2017 elections cogsucker

    [DPF: 30 demerits - way out of line]

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  21. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    I read and comment on Whales blog all the time, probably more than here thanks to….. well…. NO DEMERITS!!! However I digress….

    I enjoy most the stuff Whale writes except the boring shit that he seems too….. mullets and guns and stuff, but the attacks and exposures I love.

    What I don’t understand is he had a policy, a contract an agreement and I don’t see why CK can’t fix that. (split the difference).

    The other thing I don’t understand is that Whale and SB lost their home…. Sure they’re big grown up people now, but I don’t understand why John couldn’t have helped, it’s not as if he’s short of a quid or more.
    Good luck to you both, I will keep my subscription current.

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  22. Thomas the Unbeliever (141 comments) says:

    Cactus, I have a long list of clients who have been harmed by this sort of professional advice. Even if it was once good advice (which I doubt) – it clearly does not seem to be still appropriate. “Professional advice” notwithstanding, surely it has been clear to WO’s friends for quite some time that the sort of blogging he has been engaging is not healthy. It is easy and comforting to sheet blame home to insurance companies and their tame pill dispensers. But perhaps WO’s friends and blogging fans can also accept some responsibility. I do. I am taking the only action I feel I am able to (apart from feeling sympathetic) – I am going to stop participating in the blood sport that is WO’s blog.

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  23. Ferdinand (93 comments) says:

    [DPF: 30 demerits for smearing Jason Ede. You need to get over your obsession with him.]

    You’re concerned I’m smearing Jason Ede by mentioning his role in shopping dirt through Whale’s blog (even though I didn’t mention the daily phone conferences)? And yet you let other commentators here get away with making statements about respected journalists like:

    In order to raise funding they should sell tickets to a public disembowling and live burning of the communist wank stain that is Brent Edwards. I am sure I am not alone in being willing to part with quite alot of money to see that.

    Is that a double standard?

    [DPF: You do it again for another 30 demerits. Do you have any proof for your paranoid fantasies? I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to with your reference to "daily phone conferences". Maybe you should be a script writer for Lost. Let me make it clear - I do not know of any phone conferences involving Jason Ede - daily, weekly, monthly or whatever. Again- stop making shit up or at least have the courage to smear under your own full name]

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  24. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    No, they’re not inferring Brent Edwards has done something without offering evidence. They’re expressing dislike and even characterising him in their view, but they’re not attempting to infer he’s done something which he may or may not have.

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  25. Ferdinand (93 comments) says:

    I don’t infer. I imply. You infer. Not a very sharp crowd here, is it? And David knows what I’m talking about.

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  26. Thomas the Unbeliever (141 comments) says:

    Steve @7:41

    I’m sure you are right. Your calm voice of reason is just what the doctor ordered.

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  27. gnadsmasher (47 comments) says:

    Although I do not hold much regard for WO, I agree with the view that the insurers are scum who basically decided to not pay once it was clear that his case was going to be long-term. That they did not try to get him effective treatment is further proof that the insurance industry is a weasel den.

    However, there is a Russian saying that drunks speak the truth that they dare not speak when sober. Here it appears that the “real” inner WO appears when his depression kicks in, and the “nice” WO is just him putting a civilised veneer on what he really feels and thinks. That makes all the more damning the shrink’s advice for him to use blogging as an outlet for his anger.

    Regardless, I hope that he and his family can get out from under this and somehow force the insurance company to honour its contract with him.

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  28. Gavfaemonty (61 comments) says:

    Pseudonymous online remote stuff is, err, stuff we’re all feeling out. A bit odd, really. Nonetheless, insofar as it’s possible to tell via this newish medium it’s clear WO’s been getting less stable over the last few weeks and months. How to react? A bit of general sympathy and support would seem well in order. The few posters in the various forums posting cheap shot poison – well, no doubt you and yours are all 100%, for now. But, ‘manning up’ isn’t about taking the piss out of people who’re not well.

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  29. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    Sorry Ferdinand, my English language skills have been going down the gurgler since college. I have been worrying about this of late. I may even get past the worrying stage and rectify my problem in the not-too-distant future. Incorporating your correction, the point still stands that it is not a double standard on DPF’s part, however, as there is a distinct difference between what you and the commenter you cited did.

    As for Whale Oil, I hope things improve for him.

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  30. Cactus Kate (545 comments) says:

    Thomas,

    The fact you are still banging on about Whaleoil negatively online means yes, you are not helping so I question your motives of assistance at all.

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  31. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    I was loath to enter this conversation then I remembered John Kirwan.

    I wonder how he would have done if blogging was around during his time of darkness.

    I don’t know if he was on any meds, but he went through an intensely horrific time inside himself and pulled through.

    I’m of the conviction lack of meds helped.

    A quiet place and feeding the mind with inspiration does wonders also. The mind is a demon if we let it be and can have a way of slowly creeping up on us if we are unawares. You just don’t snap over night. It’s a process working ou our being and we start believing that process. Esp the crap a lot of us have to put up with on a daily basis.

    I find my healing comes through achivement, but even so, this man has achieved much and still succumbed. As did JK.

    None of us really has the power to keep what or who we value the most. They can be gone in a moment. Sometimes we see that truth acutely and we fold like cardboard.

    We can only wait for our second wind.

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  32. American Gardener (554 comments) says:

    “The phrase “Better Living Through Chemistry” is a variant of a DuPont advertising slogan, “Better Things for Better Living…Through Chemistry.” DuPont adopted it in 1935″

    I am sure that in a few cases doctors incorrectly prescribe psycho-active medications. In reality modern life is incredibly stressful & many people need a hand to cope. Some people choose alcohol, cigarettes, food & sex so why is there such a negative reaction to medications like prozac, aropax, lithium, quetiapine etc etc ?? It just demonstrates we haven’t moved on from our ignorance driven belief that mental illness is a moral failing.

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  33. Thomas the Unbeliever (141 comments) says:

    I am not banging on about WO … I am banging on about his friends who have encouraged him to blog when that is clearly no longer a healthy activity for him (based on his wife’s comments).

    I am not trying to assist WO. I am not his saviour. I am trying to assist myself by leaving his blog alone.

    Finally, whilst I have some sympathy for his predicament, that sympathy is balanced by the vitriol he has poured out over others – many in similar circumstances – especially in recent months. Whaleoil shows no mercy to others. He is a bully. Bullying is fun until you become the victim. I hold out hope that much of the bullying I have seen from him is a manifestation of his illness. Sadly, as many comments in recent postings evidence, many of his fans enjoy his bullying. They do not enjoy his posts for their wit and insight (as I do), but for the blood and pain they cause.

    WO is entitled to sympathy and mercy – but in a measured quantity. I save my sympathy for his family who not only must endure all this – but endure it in a public forum.

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  34. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    I have appreciated the work of Whaleoil over the last few months, and respect his work and dedication.

    One of the less welcome aspects of Blogging and the internet in general is the lack of support some of us show for a fellow human in trouble. There are times my friends when the sincerest comment is to shut one’s mouth. I am sure than when Whaleoil is restored to us, you will be able, and perhaps even welcome, to comment directly to him.

    Meantime Cameron, I await your return, and wish you every success and eventual happiness.

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  35. RRM (9,414 comments) says:

    That explains a lot.

    I’d say poor guy, but no, f*ck it. He’s dished out far too much rudeness and slather over the years.

    Get well Whale Oil, but grow up too.

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  36. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    why was he…sitting there pulling two grand a week..for five years…

    ..pouring hatred and vitriol on those in similar mental conditions to him…?

    calling them all the names under the sun…

    ..and advocating their state-pittances be torn from them…?

    ..and they be forced into some menial/shit/head-fuck job..

    ..that’s not depression..

    ..that’s just fucken nastiness…and a manifestation of the arrogance/class-hatred that imbues the likes of him..

    wot..?..he didn’t have those tory/fuck-everyone-else-views views before he became depressed..?

    puh-leeze…he learn’t them at his daddys’ knee….

    and has always believed..

    please..!..enough with the fucken violins..

    and hey..!..there is depression…and there is depression..

    .people lose children thru accident/death..

    i had a daughter i had raised as a sole-parent for six years stolen from me..and taken to the the other side of the world..

    ..who i didn’t see for another four years..

    ..that was worst than the fucken heroin habits..

    ..speaking of which..

    ..y’know..it’s all fucken relative..eh..?

    and hey..!..he is gobbling handfulls of head-fuck pills..

    ..he has a diet of fat/greasy animal fats/blood/flesh food…

    he is what he eats…

    ..most of his solutions are in his own hands..

    ..and if his wife wanted to do something for him..

    ..get him eating decent/vegan food..get him doing yoga again..

    ..get some balance back..stop the fucken pills..

    ..get him physically healthy..

    ..’cos that is the main road to peace of mind/some balance…

    …so i’ve found..

    ..and maybe…lose the hatred…eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  37. Crusader (274 comments) says:

    Obviously Cactus Kate is upset, and has typed more in emotion than in considered thought. Her tirade against doctors is no more than ill-informed anecdotes and hearsay.

    One day Cactus Kate herself will have cause to be grateful for the care and skill of medical professionals. A doctor will, at an unsocial hour, be called upon to either save her life or ease her pain, and will do so to the best of his or her ability. I hope then CK is able to pause and reflect on the poor grace of her blog post above.

    I leave with a classic quote…

    “God and the Doctor we alike adore, But only when in danger, not before; The danger o’er, both are alike requited, God is forgotten, and the Doctor slighted.” (John Owen)

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  38. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    most doctors are fucken ignorant/blind pill-pushers..

    ..who have no idea how to get their patients ‘healthy’..

    ..you can ease up on yr fucken violins too..crusader..

    ..the fact is that those head-fuck pills slater has been got hooked on..

    ..are addictions given to him/urged on him.. by doctors…

    ..so..puh-leeze..!

    ..yr timing for an ‘all hail the doctors!”..is way way off..

    ..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  39. Spoff (275 comments) says:

    Interesting comments. I can’t help but wonder what form they would take if the subject was Mallard or some other left-wing blogger.
    C’mon fellas. Who is big enough to admit they might have posted:

    “Always knew he was off his rocker.”

    “Insanity makes a good defence.”

    “He’s on the bloody benefit now.”

    There is a sniff of something rather noisome here.

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  40. paul henry (49 comments) says:

    why was he…sitting there pulling two grand a week..for five years…

    ..pouring hatred and vitriol on those in similar mental conditions to him…?

    calling them all the names under the sun…

    ..and advocating their state-pittances be torn from them…?

    ..and they be forced into some menial/shit/head-fuck job..

    ..that’s not depression..

    ..that’s just fucken nastiness…and a manifestation of the arrogance/class-hatred that imbues the likes of him..

    wot..?..he didn’t have those tory/fuck-everyone-else-views views before he became depressed..?

    puh-leeze…he learn’t them at his daddys’ knee….

    Exactly. Camoron Slater is just a natural born arsehole. May his downward spiral continue.

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  41. Muzza M (290 comments) says:

    I agree with Kate where the over prescribing of antidepressants is concerned. I used to be a pharmacist and dished out box loads of the stuff. I always thought that good counselling would be more medically and cost effective in the short and long terms than medication. People become psychologically dependant on the antidepressant, much like drugs of abuse. However doctors get paid for bums on seats, and they are not trained counsellors. Easier and more lucrative to write a script than sit down for an hour to actually listen to the patient. I’m not saying the following statement is applicable in all cases, but I reckon depression has become the new buzz word for unhappy, the people are unhappy because they choose or persist with lifestyles that could not possibly make them happy.

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  42. Cactus Kate (545 comments) says:

    Crusader, for fuck’s sake all I am stating is that in cases of depression that GP’s prescribe pills like candy and don’t treat the underlying causes as to why people are depressed. Those of us not on the pills can see our friends daily looking like zombies.

    I’ve never relied on a GP to pop me depression pills. I had very bad migraine headaches at University and a GP prescribed them to me, after one day spinning out wasted to the hilt I went back to him, handed the pills back and told him to try again.

    Having said that pretty much every GP I’ve ever had has been bloody useless. That is anecdotal from my own experience and I stand by that claim. I can count just two I have dealt with in my life who have accurately diagnosed without a mere scattergun approach to diagnoses. The best a GP can do for you is refer you to a specialist who is in more likelihood capable of an accurate diagnosis and cure.

    Just like there are bad lawyers there are bad Doctors. To say every Doctor is good at what they do is just silly. To provide an emotional based quote about how much you need a Doctor is churlish.

    In a time of crisis I want a good Doctor who knows what they are doing, not one at the mercy of pill popping companies paying out referral fees. They are not good Doctors.

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  43. Muzza M (290 comments) says:

    In case you’re wondering I have been what would be described as clinically depressed. It came from being bitched and shouted at and treated like a piece of shit by customers who vented their spleens at me on a daily basis because some bright spark at Pharmac had devised a new plan to save the tax payer money (and earn themselves a bonus) by fucking with the price, the availability, the colour, the shape, the dosage form … of the persons medicine. All beyond my control, but all my fault. I quit, life was too short, I now do a job I look forward to going to.

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  44. Muzza M (290 comments) says:

    Crusader I hope this blind faith you have in doctors doesn’t bite you in the arse one day. There are a few out there that owe me a couple of beers for not dispensing the script as written. They are just like the rest of us, they have good days and they have bad days.

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  45. Mudwatcher (11 comments) says:

    Three comments:

    After all the vile and elitist comment about beneficiaries and the public welfare system from the bloated slater and his supporters, I find the wailing of cameron blubber and his mates highly ironic.

    When he launched an attack on the high official of our major centre right party, almost exactly 12 months ago ,I was told he might be harassed through the courts but the plan was to push him over the edge. I quote:”He will be driven nuts.”

    And finally, does this manbrat still having access to any of those firearms he so publicly obsesses over?

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  46. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    It’s a sad state of affairs when people pick on people with a mental illness, especially when knowing their posting history you can be pretty damn sure if it had been a Lefty / Greeny with the same problem they’d have reacted a whole lot differently. Mad or not, he is still a human being who is suffering through a pretty fucking shite time. Holding him responsible for his illness is pretty poor form.

    Get well Whaleoil.

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  47. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    DPF do humanity a favor and get that peice of shit phil u off your blog mate.

    You know damn well he so far detached from reeality that his mail is being forwarded to freakn Narnia.

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  48. tvb (4,192 comments) says:

    Whaleoil has some talent but his life is out of control I suspect his marriage is under severe pressure. His parents are very good people and well off financially and probably help him a lot. But the name suppression game was very clumsily fought.

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  49. tvb (4,192 comments) says:

    I trust he does NOT possess any firearms. His obsession with those worries me a great deal.

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  50. db.. (79 comments) says:

    Murray @8:33,

    Seconded!

    David Baigent

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  51. Mudwatcher (11 comments) says:

    Comeon you friends and apologists for the manbrat. Are the guns safely stored in the”new rental premises”?

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  52. MrTips (143 comments) says:

    I only have two words: lithium carbonate

    Depressives, by and large, do not have extended periods of hypomania.

    Wean the rest, and try it. And I don’t mean that nastily.

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  53. cabbage (454 comments) says:

    I only have two words: lithium carbonate

    MrTips, I tend to agree with you on this. But Lithium on its own isn’t good enough. Throw some CBT in the mix and some self analysis on triggers and early warning signs.

    At least, thats what was effective for me.

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  54. SonnyThomas (2 comments) says:

    I have a lot of sympathy for WhaleOil – although it’s hard to admit.

    I think this case is exactly why we need to extend the Woodhouse principle and the provisions of ACC. There should be no blame laid on anyone, Cameron should get all the support and income security required to ensure that he can get back to being a healthy, functioning member of our society.

    This is a failure of the profit motive for insurance companies. I agree that no other motive would work for this complicated system – but this is an argument for why government should care. It’s in my interest that Cameron gets well, because believe it or not I actually care about his situation.

    I hope he gets well soon.

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  55. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Mudwatcher, you are concerned that Slater may have access to guns. Slater who has actually had the training and experience to handle firearms safely. Meanwhile I don’t recall you expressing any such sentiment about phil u who is a self confessed abuser of illegal drugs and actually has a history of illegal firearms use.

    Please explain this incongruity. If its your personal ignorance of, and prejudice towards mental illness, by all means simply admit to that.

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  56. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    I have a friend who’s son needs lots of mental care right now and appears to being failed “by the system”.
    It is heart braking to see this from the outside and I can’t begin to empathise with those inside it enough.
    My prayers and thoughts are that Cam and all the family survive this and are stronger and able to help others later on.
    My especial prayers and thoughts for their marriage and kids.

    What he is doing standing against the name suppression parody is an important thing for our society.
    No matter his emotional state.

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  57. WTM (23 comments) says:

    I completely agree that many medical professionals indeed prescribe anti-depressants like candy, as a solution to any complaint a person may have.

    However that said, for many that are clinically depressed, medication (when prescribed correctly) can allow a return to living a life as normal as is possible. So I think it’s important to not simply focus on a statement that pills are bad…

    Having read of Whale’s wifes suffering, I feel a lot of empathy for her, their children, and Cameron himself. Unless you have suffered clinical depression yourself, it is hard to imagine the depth of the hole he is currently in.

    As others have said, he needs a good doctor, and psychiatrist, that will look more closely at his illness and prescribe a combined treatment that will return him to a level playing field. Rather than simply loading him up with more drugs to sedate him…

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  58. Russell Brown (403 comments) says:

    What he is doing standing against the name suppression parody is an important thing for our society.
    No matter his emotional state.

    What you’re saying is that you’re happy for important decisions about the law and people’s lives to be placed in the hands of someone who has significant problems with judgement and emotional stability as the consequence of mental illness — as opposed to a judge. I don’t think that’s a good idea.

    I hope Cameron and his family can find a way forward through this terrible situation. I also think that some people need to think about the degree to which they’ve enabled it.

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  59. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..and actually has a history of illegal firearms use…

    i am getting a tad sick of yr lies…eh..?

    no ‘history’…no ‘use’…ever..!

    so just fuck off..you cross-dressing cnut…!

    and slater with easy access to guns..?

    pull up….!…pull up..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  60. Paul Williams (876 comments) says:

    I hope Cameron and his family can find a way forward through this terrible situation. I also think that some people need to think about the degree to which they’ve enabled it.

    I agree with both sentiments. Slater’s antics have appalled me on many occassion and I’ve often wondered why he has been, sometimes, encouraged and often tacitly endorsed?

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  61. big bruv (13,199 comments) says:

    “..and they be forced into some menial/shit/head-fuck job..”

    Better that than stay at home and steal from those who do slave every day and menial/shit/head-fuck jobs.

    Of all the things you have ever written I think that is the most offensive, do you honestly believe that you are above working at a minimum wage job Phool?

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  62. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    fat-slug..the discussion is about suitable treatments for those who are depressed..

    fuck of with yr strawman-ad-hominen..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  63. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Judging from the facial dysmorphism I can’t help wondering if whaleoil’s condition has a genetic component to it.

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  64. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    Gotta say I am a lot more skeptical about pills now than I used to be. They do zombify you and can make you indifferent to the feelings of others, depending on what you are taking. One should never be on them indefinitely or without some sort of psychological therapy to go with it.

    You know, all this crap about Cameron Slater not being able to work… well you gotta try, dude. Think of it as an opportunity. Maybe you can’t, but you should try. The reality is that nobody else is going to help you but you. And you shouldn’t rely on other people to help you. You’ve got to be tough and power through. That’s not me saying Harden the Fuck Up, because I know it’s not that easy. It’s me saying you’re never going to get anywhere by curling up into a ball either. You’ve got to try, no matter how hard it is to try. And if you fail, keep trying. Keep trying until you start succeeding at something, and then use that to build your confidence back up. Kirwan is right – hold on to hope – grab at it – run after it hard. What you always have to remember is that it is all in your head, and if it is all in your head then you have the ability to control it. Your task is to find out how.

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  65. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    BlairM, what you wrote was by far the most insightful comment on this thread… and probably the best comment I have read on any blog for months.

    Well said…. not only WHAT you said, but the firm but non-abusive and respectful tone of HOW you said it. Great stuff.

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  66. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Russell Brown (260) Says:
    May 31st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    What you’re saying is that you’re happy for important decisions about the law and people’s lives to be placed in the hands of someone who has significant problems with judgement and emotional stability as the consequence of mental illness — as opposed to a judge. I don’t think that’s a good idea.

    You misread that either incorrectly or deliberately.

    I said –
    What he is doing standing against the name suppression parody is an important thing for our society.
    No matter his emotional state.

    Pillock. if deliberately.

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  67. Crusader (274 comments) says:

    What a prickly response from the Cactus!!!

    she starts by swearing…

    Crusader, for fuck’s sake…

    and ends with an insult…

    To provide an emotional based quote about how much you need a Doctor is churlish.

    perhaps she needs a tranquilizer?

    Just like there are bad lawyers there are bad Doctors. To say every Doctor is good at what they do is just silly.

    show me where I said that absolutely every doctor is good at what they do – nobody would say that

    (it was in the original quote by Cactus that so many sweeping generalisations were made about doctors)

    But I stand by my prediction. One day Cactus Kate will have just cause to thank the medical profession, if, that is, she has developed a bit more maturity and grace by then.

    Muzza, you should know I am not talking blind faith in the medical profession, blind faith is for fools.
    I am talking about fallible human beings doing the best they can, and doing a pretty good job overall under very trying circumstances.

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  68. adc (534 comments) says:

    It still amazes me that people are happy to take brain-acting drugs made by people who have no idea how the brain works.

    It’s about as smart as letting a 2 yr old “fix” your computer armed only with a metal fork.

    I’m sorry, but if medecine knows only 1% of how the brain works, how can they “fix” it? The answer should be blindingly obvious. They can’t. Anything they do (chemically) is therefore likely only to make it worse.

    Anyone representing that they can fix the brain is IMHO deluded, dangerous or worse. (Surgical removal of foreign bodies is another matter though, that’s not tampering with brain chemistry, so I’m not referring to that).

    History is full of wonder drugs for depression et al, which turn out to be nightmares. Prozac + ethanol etc. Many of these drugs once you are on them, they irrevocably alter your brain chemistry, and you are stuck with them and the side-effects for life.

    Same goes for recreational drugs. Need at least 100 years of testing if you ask me before you can know if something is truly safe or not. But that doesn’t fit with commercial incentives.

    I’ve seen people go down the slippery slopes these drugs (prescription) create. It’s your brain FFS! It’s highly evolved. It’s got more capability to fix itself than anything we puny humans can come up with (same goes with the immune system). So, my advice. Leave it alone.

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  69. RRM (9,414 comments) says:

    “I’m sorry, but if medecine knows only 1% of how the brain works, how can they “fix” it? The answer should be blindingly obvious.” [/quote]

    It is: Get a Medical Degree. Then do decades of clinical research.
    Failing that, at least research what is being prescribed to you and inform yourself.

    OR – smoke some ganja, sacrifice a goat and drink some herbal tea (or the kool-aid) because modern medicine and quacks putting chemicals in your body is doomed to failure, right?

    If you prefer to keep it natural… well, depression is an entirely natural phenomenon. Cancer is too.

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  70. adc (534 comments) says:

    So RRM, are you saying medecine knows how the brain works?

    you think my getting a medical degree will change that?

    You think decades of clinical research means sh*t? People thought the earth was flat for hundreds of years. I’m not that pompous that I consider just a few measly decades of clinical research will teach me EVERYTHING I need to know.

    If it did, we’d have everything cured by now, and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    Just keep your head in the sand mate if it keeps you happy.

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  71. MrTips (143 comments) says:

    I’m sorry, but if medecine knows only 1% of how the brain works, how can they “fix” it? The answer should be blindingly obvious. They can’t. Anything they do (chemically) is therefore likely only to make it worse.

    I’ll tell that to the many psychiatric patients whom have got medications sorted and now live good lives, free from the constant burden and uncertainty that mental illness brings. Then they can repeat their idea that once they are well, they can throw the meds away and spend the next 3 months in a psych institution getting well, because docs only know “1%” of the brain.

    You sound like a scientologist.

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  72. adc (534 comments) says:

    yawn.

    Just because people take drugs which make them not care about anything any more doesn’t mean they are well. Or happy.

    Chemical lobotomy, sure it will make you happy. Except what is happiness?

    What impact do you think it has on a child growing up with 2 parents on ADs who don’t care about things they really should care about?

    Yeah that’s success. Right? NOT.

    And I wouldn’t propose people give up the meds. Read my first post. Once your brain chemistry has been screwed over, I think you’re basically stuffed. People should think about this before they pop their first E or whatever.

    I’m still amazed you guys think we know so much about brain chemistry. Even if we now know an estimated 5% of what there is to know, that’s still nowhere near enough.

    As for random scientology claims. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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