National and Maori
June 20th, 2010 at 11:00 am by David FarrarThe HoS editorial:
One of the more bracing ironies of political life in 2010 is that a National Government has developed a relationship with Maori that its Labour predecessor never managed in nine years.
The last administration was hampered by Helen Clark’s tin ear for Maori issues.
In dismissing marchers in the Foreshore and Seabed hikoi as “haters and wreckers”, she destroyed a relationship that had delivered Labour most Maori votes for almost all of the previous 70 years. That led directly to the formation of the Maori Party.
And also called the Maori Party the last cab off the rank – preferred Winston instead.
And John Armstrong writes in the Weekend Herald:
But the contrast between Labour’s turmoil after Goff’s demotion of Carter and subsequent decision to send the MP home on stress leave and National’s success in healing what the Prime Minister calls a “weeping sore” was testimony to the vast gulf in performance between the two parties and a brutal indication of the size of the mountain Labour has to climb between now and next year’s election.
While Goff was nailing Carter to the cross, John Key was nailing down a deal with the Maori Party which is a huge stride toward National retaining the Government benches after the 2011 election. …
The other question is whether Labour will carry on being so hostile to the Maori Party now that Shane Jones, one of the leading protagonists, has been sidelined.
That strategy has proved to be largely counter-productive – succeeding only in driving the Maori Party closer to National.
As this week’s deal shows, Key has no compunction about making compromises to keep it there.
While I have always thought the chances of Phil Goff becoming Prime Minister was remote, I think this last week may go down in history as the week when they became non-existent.
Without the Maori Party, Labour and the Greens need to win 62 seats to be able to govern, and on current polls they look to be a dozen seats short of that.
Related posts:
- National – Maori Party Agreement
- Espiner says no chance of Maori-National coalition
- Garner on National and Maori Party
- Thanks to Helen, the way to entrench the Maori seats is to have Maori Party go with National
June 20th, 2010 at 11:02 am
So a vote for National is a vote for the Maori party.
Noted.
Pity this wasn’t generally known at the last election.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Life’s full of compromises to reach to end goal Red. For rational people it is anyway.
12 seats short huh, that must be like 10% of seats, at what stage does Labour become a minority party? 15% short?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:09 am
And what are you saying would have been the consequence for National if that was known ?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Some times you have a pretty twisted logic, RB.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:18 am
“Life’s full of compromises”
Let’s not forget it was a compromise that did not have to be made. John Key’s chose to embrace the Maori party for reasons that have never made sense to me. Now that party has better financing and much greater prominence than it ever deserved and as a consequence the racial divide in our country continues to widen.
The Maori Party should have been left to rot with Labour, giving voters a clear choice.
Key’s strategy also opens the door wide for a return by Winston Peters who is now able to make a tonne of political capital from a “one country one people one law” approach. (as he should be able to)
The National Party’s craven supplication to a band of what I think are politically opportunist racist thugs is a major strategic error. I think the long term will prove this.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Keep your enemies closer, and then turn them into allies. The MP it seems are closer politically to National than they are to Labour, National needed a junior partner, MP needed a big brother, NZ needs to close the book on the historical grievance industry and move forward as a nation culturally and economically etc etc. Realpolitiks 101.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:25 am
BTW David, nice phone book beating delivered with this post.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Brash gained much popular support from his Orewa speech. Key has turned his back on that support. Brash was right. Key is wrong. The National Party, currently under the control of weak politically correct liberals rather than hard headed strategists, has taken the wrong road.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Curiously, this historic realignment has been made possible by MMP.
As separate parties National and the Maori Party can stake out widely different positions, but still work together, and compromise. The MP can say things National never would, and would never stomach. Thus the alliance gets to have its cake and eat it too: each party can play to its own consituency, but they can still co-operate.
But with Labour, the Maori vote is in-house. That has proved to be seriously awkward. Labour could never say the things the MP says or it would burn off too many Pakeha votes. And when push comes to shove has no choice but to back the Pakeha view (as helen Clark did). Thus it burns off the Maori vote – which is increasingly flowing to the MP.
But it is much harder for the MP and Labour to be allies than ther MP and National – precisely because they ARE closer in their outlook: they are rivals for the same votes, thus there is always tension and potential for treachery.
National and the MP have different views, but they know exactly where each other stands, and thus (strangely enough) have more capacity to trust one another.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:34 am
“John Key’s chose to embrace the Maori party for reasons that have never made sense to me.”
Not surprised. It’s called pragmatic politics, working together in the middle ground to find workable solutions. Extremists don’t like it, but they usually don’t have much influence or support.
Key is right with his approach. He doesn’t always get it right but he works for the best for most.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:34 am
I guess the proof will be in the longevity of the National led government. Brash might have gained much popular support but he didn’t turn that it into a government.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:35 am
So the drawing card at the next election is the Maori party?
Keep the government seat’s warm National, you may not need them after 2011.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:38 am
It’s not like you make a lot of sense to rest of the country either.
You are such an extremist that rational decisions seldom make sense to you.
John Key’s strength is that he is not a blinded thickheaded ideologue, but a realist and a pragmatist.
Not only does he keep the ACT party quite comfortably at bay.
He also shows that he is indeed inclusive and a centrist.
Long term it was certainly one of his best moves.
Where are the hordes of National voters abandoning him for the ACT party?
Vote:Nowhere to be seen. It’s getting lonely out there at the looney fringe right.
June 20th, 2010 at 11:48 am
RB; this time I think you are wrong. We have yet to see the detail of the F+S legislation but from what I have seen so far its a good compromise. We just cannot go on wasting so much of our resources and talents and people like we have been. No one prospers other than lawyers.
Maori gains are not life threatening and indeed restore property rights that already belonged to them before they we usurped by Clarks queers.
Maori are zooming ahead and the sooner we recognize that the better, for unless we keep up with their progress we will become the poor cousins. A role reversal one would say. Their TV is slick and they sure as hell can show the TVNZ and MSM repeaters a thing or two about what the press roles should be. Watch Marae this morning and see how Hone got a grilling and then tell us which MSM or TV would do that to any pakeha MP these days. Indeed tell me which MP would go on TV and answer their critics. None.
For 30 years our answer to Maori has been to disengage them from society and when they misbehave throw them in jail.
That means we are failing and we need to address the reasons.
The next step is to get rid of the rubbish school teacher/ academic attitude that learning can only be done in schools and universities.
That will require that people can leave school at 15 or 16 and will require the abolition of minimum wage rates as they are currently.
We need to get people working and learning with the right to return to any sort of learning at any time. Then the Maori boys,(and others), who don’t fit in school can go get a job with an employer who can afford to pay them and continue with life’s learning, as we used to.
Two years ago we were desparately short of truck drivers and while that’s not so pronounced now it will return. To get even a drivers license now one has to go to a learning institution. Once we went to work and were taught by the guys we worked with. Why can we not still do this? Teachers and control freaks!!!
Less regulation and more commonsense and more can do attitude would be good.
Vote:Still the Nats. haven’t yet decided to get rid of too many seat warmers nor much redundant paper work.
June 20th, 2010 at 11:49 am
“I guess the proof will be in the longevity of the National led government.”
That is pretty true, but I cannot believe that so many people seem so unaware of where this will end up. You think the unrest in the country over special privelges for so called Maori is going to remain at this level you’re nuts.
In any strategy you have to look to the future, and not solely at the present.
Giving so much to what is essentially a mythical racist group or even if you like, dysfunctional tribalists is only going to make them ask for more. Eventually Key is going to be faced with a choice. Keep giving in or face the contempt of the rest of the electorate.
Once Key rejects them, they will run to Labour, and thanks to Key’s political pandering, they will take a much larger share of the vote than they had if they had been ignored when a government was formed after the last election.
I repeat, this is a strategy that in the long term will fail, and what is worse, bring racial conflict to this country that we have never seen before.
What Key is doing is not a even a strategy really. Its just weak pandering to race based politics. He’s blufffed by the politically correct considerations usually only found among the left, their partisan media agents, and the mincing chattering disconnected Wellington beltway.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Actually ezett you might like to reconsider given that Act have always supported the MP on the issue of rights and property rights. MP are closer to Act than National on many things and a perusal of past voting in the last govt. would show that.
Vote:Every dog has its day and momentarily MP are having theirs.
That this issue will be out of they way for the next election is good for that will allow for conversation on subjects that are more important to the average voter. Subjects like ETS, Govt. spending, education, health and so on that are off the radar momentarily.
Assuming the RWC will be won by the All Blacks is a poor way to win the next election especially if there are still half a million beneficiaries around.
June 20th, 2010 at 11:58 am
“RB; this time I think you are wrong.”
If I’m wrong then why are all of the leftist advocates who frequent this place and are most responsible for political and social outcomes that will one day (if permitted) make a derelict ruin of our culture and civilisation, on your side?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
NZ needs to close the book on the historical grievance industry and move forward as a nation culturally and economically etc etc.
..can someone tell Maori that.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
“If I’m wrong then why…”
Because most people are able to see good common sense politics unblinkered by rigid ideology that can only keep grizzling on the fringes.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
would national go it alone after the next election or invite the maori party into government.
be intereseting to see if the farmers create a new party.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Red
And some of your best friends are Maori’s I’ll bet.
…………..a derelict ruin of our culture and civilisation…………………
What culture and civilization are you talking about? We have such a short history as a nation we havn’t got culture of our own yet and as for civilisation who defines what that is?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
“grizzling on the fringes.”
Same old Stalinist strategy. Marginalize those who challenge the party line. Send them to the gulags.
You forget Brash’s high level of support demonstrated after his Orewa speech.
Actually that is wrong. You don’t forget it. In line with the arrogant deceit that underpins everything you write here, you deliberately try to bury it.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
“What culture and civilization are you talking about?”
Here we have a good example of what is produced by an education system totally corrupted by the left.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
You marginalise yourself RB. And wish the gulags on any who you oppose (that’s most people).
There is a level of support amongst Maori bashers. The ones who clobber Maori for not doing enough for themselves but have hissy fits if any Maori look like working with the system to get justice and make something for their people.
Brash pandered to the red necks for votes, but it’s very unlikely he would have achieved much for them if he had squeaked into power.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
“You marginalise yourself.”
Coming from one who when there was a means of measuring it, received the most negative kharma of anyone writing here.
Full of empty wishy washy crap like “it’s very unlikely he would have achieved much for the good if he had squeaked into power.”
Just means nothing. A feeble fantastic prediction without a line or even a word of reason to support it. All you ever have other than equally wet weak queries.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Yes, it’s like K2, the Eiger and the Matterhorn combined with an evil looking fort at the top full of conservatives just waiting to pour boiling oil down upon the struggling lefties.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
If the education system has been “corrupted by the left” then that is a good thing. My primary school aged son is learning about the challenges that his generation will face in the future from issues like man made global warming. If the more extreme members of the VRWC were in control of education this would not be happening.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
“If the education system has been “corrupted by the left” then that is a good thing.”
You see where the left are taking our culture people???
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
lol. man made global warming to a primary school child. wtf.
that is some left wing crap, i hope the teachers are passing on there vast knowledge of the theory.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
how long can this slide towards government dependance and credit, last.
do the left not see this.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Caleb – I am very happy that anthropogenic global warming deniers and proponents of other fringe beliefs are not in charge of the education of my son.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
“I am very happy that anthropogenic global warming deniers and proponents of other fringe beliefs are not in charge of the education of my son.”
The parents of Hitler Jugen once said something very similar to each other.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Lynn Prentice over at The Standard has recently published a very good piece on global warming.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
…how the hell am i going to work 50 hours and help my wife home school our three children.
looks like we will have to make it work.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Red
What culture are you talking about thats getting ruined, I’m surrounded by three or four different ones in my lounge right now, what specific culture are bemoaning the demise of that the ” Left” are rooting.
Cultures and values are not the same thing
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Caleb – don’t worry – the education system is doing a great job – your kids will be fine.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Sheesh American Gardner….. I will presume you are american, can I suggest you wake up and smell some real coffee not that shit we get served in America!
You honestly think it is good that our education system has been “corrupted by the left” …. Give me strength you raving leftie, Gordon fuckin Bennett…..
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
I find it incredible that the only political party that has policy denying anthropogenic global warming is the Act Party.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
I would like to see some evidence that the education system has been “corrupted by left”. I am not sure what would constitute corruption. Presumably teaching content that those on the (mythical) right disagree with.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Something to do with being led by the only MP with a background in environmental sciences probably.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
It would be more accurate to point to a Helen-Tariana split, than a labour-maori split. If you look at preffered coalition partner surveys in the Maori seats, Maori still overwhelmingly support a coalition with Labour.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
“I would like to see some evidence that the education system has been “corrupted by left”.”
If you actually do need to ask for such evidence, its evidence you’re beyond help.
There was a discussion on this last week. Go here-
http://pc.blogspot.com/
Scroll down until you get to the story entitled “Socialist Studies At Avondale College”. Read the article and the comments.
Actually, in your particular case, its not solely indoctrination that is the problem. Its ignorance, but more importantly, your lack of a moral base. Nobody who knows right from wrong can ever agree with government sponsored indoctrination of children.
It is a vile and amoral practice, endorsed only by the most totalitiarian governments, politicians (Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Ghaddafi, Castro, Pol Pot, the North Koreans, the Chicoms to name just a few) and their followers.
Your amorality is another good example of what I am talking about when I say the left are reducing our culture and our civilisation to a derelict ruin. In your ignorance and disregard for decency, in your abject knuckle dragging willingness to destroy what was a great society, you nauseate me.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
“Lynn Prentice over at The Standard has recently published a very good piece on global warming.”
Most readers of Kiwiblog are aware of “The Standard”. Most of us have our own standards that mean we’re not all that interested in anything said there, where censorship and propaganda are the order of the day.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
You forgot the United States on your list which also has a state funded school system. I find it hard to believe you find the NZ education system “vile and amoral”. The kids seem to enjoy themselves far to much for a “vile and amoral” system.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Our education system obviously failed you. His piece is one big cherry pick, giving all the hottest years ‘on record’ data.
His approach is to only look at the last hundred years. If you look back further at the last hundred thousand years, current warming is expected and has been occuring for tens of thousands of years as we come out of an ice age that was 10 deg C colder and sea levels where 100 metres below todays levels.
Current temperatures are 2 deg C below what we expect them to naturally reach, and sea level is 6 metres below where it cyles to every hundred thousand years.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
If only ‘the kids enjoy themselves’ was the measure of an education system.
I learnt that at a workplace performance review once. The boss asked me what I had produced, I told him ‘I enjoyed myself’, I got fired.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
“You forgot the United States on your list which also has a state funded school system.”
Actually, these systems worked reasonably well before they fell under the control of the left. Now they’re corrupt beyond measure. The US state education system, teaching kids to sing songs of worship to thugs like Obama, has to be defunded.
“The kids seem to enjoy themselves far to much for a “vile and amoral” system.”
Wallowing in the ignorance foisted upon them by politically partisan ignoramuses like you or your useful idiots.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
“I’m surrounded by three or four different ones in my lounge right now”
Ever wonder why they felt any need to come here, and why the emigration is all one way?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Obama is a thug ? I thought he was the POTUS.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
“The Standard” seems a reasonably balanced blog with its latest post being a criticism of the National government for apologizing to the the Chinese government. Surely a “horrid left wing blog” would defend a communist regime ?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Redbaiter – you do seem to run away with yourself – saying I am amoral and ignorant with nothing to base that on.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Its patently clear in your posts. Anyone who in this day can believe GW has either been living in a vacuum or has failed to ask any questions or even read any properly founded evidence.
Vote:There are plenty of blogs dealing with it and to go to the lowest Standard for advice shows up the caliber of your education.
Clearly not that good.
June 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
I would like to think that education in New Zealand is apolitical, how on earth is it Socialist?
I was a recent product of our education system and I have certainly experienced little of the concept in all aspects of the system.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
“saying I am amoral and ignorant with nothing to base that on.”
As Viking2 has already said, in what you have revealed of your thinking processes in a few short messages here, there is plenty to base it on. Your claim that political indoctrination of school children is a great idea being the most gross example. You are repugnant.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
“I was a recent product of our education system and I have certainly experienced little of the concept in all aspects of the system.”
Of course not. How could you?? Pol Pot’s devotees would have said exactly the same thing. Just go to Not PC and read the article I referenced above. Awaken yourself to other views.
Yesterday you were flat out cheering for the totalitarian murdering scum who rule China by means of their arms and you could not even see the wrong in what is happening there. Like most NZers who recently graduated from our schools, your moral base has been destroyed and replaced with a mindless obeisance to Progressive political and social ideas. You are clay in the hands of the power obsessed politicians who will continue to mould you to their will. And you don’t even know it is happening.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Viking2 – teaching school children the scientific consensus about global warming is not political indoctrination – anymore than teaching them what the science of gravity is. I am sure there are numerous conspiracy theory blogs that claim that AGW is a UN plot to impose world government but that doesn’t mean they are right.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
I disagree. The last administration knew exactly how much it needed to offer by way of apartheid-bribes in order to secure sufficient votes to govern. The current government knows this too.
Maori are being played for fools, but knowingly so, and enjoying the ride as it involves getting their hands on large amounts of other people’s money.
It’s simply a perpetuation of a now entrenched tradition: our leaders’ greed for power, aided and abetted by Maori greed for never ending guilt-sourced wealth.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Science is not about consensus. It’s about truth. And when contrary views are suppressed the result is indoctrination, whether it is directed at children or adults
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
“Science is not about consensus. It’s about truth.”
She’s (American Gardener) so ignorant. Cannot even read or comprehend. Its made quite clear in the discussion on Not PC that the issue is the exclusion of ideas that challenge socialist orthodoxy.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Krazykiwi – that is the argument used by creationists to include intelligent design into school science programs. It would also justify teaching the beliefs of Scientology and all other religions into school science classes. There is no justification for teaching the beliefs of the conspiracy theorists who promote AGW denial.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
AG:
The redbaiter propaganda bot is programed to vociferously denounce any state activity using torrents of cliched rhetoric. If challenged, it can only respond using more rhetoric, coupled with childish insults. Not sure weather it’s a joke that was dreamed up by a left-wing programer with to much time on their hands, or an imbecilic libertarian (possible oxymoron?). Either way it’s a waste of bandwidth.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Redbaiter, you cite a Conservative blog that cries ‘SYSTEM INJUSTICE’ on the basis of a student at Avondale College (a decile four school) who’s social science project on global warming was considered ‘ignorantly one-sided’.
Newsflash: the school can not attract the best teacher’s with a decile four rating.
Political identity is not a contributing factor at a job interview either, nor should it ever be. If you want your child to receive a more balanced education, choose a school that is more renowned for it’s exellency.
Lets also consider the education cirriculum, it is designed to give students a meaningful education that will eventually lead into adulthood, university education or full-time employment. Education is a journey that takes a life-time, schools are not adequately provided with the means and resources to teach a critical analysis of every subject area.
History in the school cirriculum is incredibly bias (Western-orientated), should we be calling this ‘Socialism’ too?
I think you confuse secondary school education with university education. At university, a student should have already mastered the independent ability to ‘critically critique’ the teaching methods/assertions of every lecturer or tutor. This is not expected at state secondary education.
Your overall logic is flawed.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Why do you assume I am a she ?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
“you cite a Conservative blog that cries”
I stopped reading after this, as it aptly demonstrates the depth of your public schooled ignorance. Not PC is an anti-Conservative site. They are liberals and Progressives who hate Conservatives. Ask anyone.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Denial blah blah conspiracy blah blah. Take it to GD thread. CAGW is O/T here
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
LOL okay I admit my ignorance of the ‘cyber blogging society’ RB, I just don’t have the time to explore every blog in the country.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Thanks for the clarification , I didn’t realise I was conversing with a robot.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
“Why do you assume I am a she ?”
Wimmin, so many of them these days driven by misguided Marxist rubbish that they think is liberation ideology, are generally much more susceptible to the kind of mush brained propaganda that is at the base of your thinking processes.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
“LOL okay I admit my ignorance of the ‘cyber blogging society’ RB”
Its not ignorance of the blogging society Fale, its ignorance of any sector of the political spectrum that extends further than that sadly narrow prism you are seeing it through.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
“I didn’t realise I was conversing with a robot.”
Funny how that dribbling ghoul curia has written more words on Redbaiter to this blog than on any other subject. Nobody ever writes anything much about curia.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Redbaiter, I asked you a valid question, you referred me to a blog site as a source.
The same site does not have the direct answer that I am after, how has the education system of today transformed into a Socialist haven of teachers ‘brainwashing’ students with their ideology?
You can dance around the question all you want, but this personal character assumption of yours is sad, unwarranted and pathetic.
Vote:Teach your child to think critically and independently and they will have sufficient ammunition to fire at a ‘Socialist’ teacher that is ‘brainwashing’ students (that goes for teachers in general too). Doing nothing about it (or bitching on a blog) isn’t very productive now, is it?
June 20th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
I said @1.12 “I’m surrounded by three or four different ones in my lounge right now”
Says Red: Ever wonder why they felt any need to come here, and why the emigration is all one way?
I’m talking about my wife and kids Red, you sad sad man,.
Theres been about 9 people here this afternoon Red filled in there time because the football hasn’t started taking the piss out of you and you havnt even noticed. Its like pulling the wings off a fly
You still havn’t been able to reply, what culture is being ruined? I wait the torrent of abuse that you sink to when you have talked yourself into a corner
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
“Teach your child to think critically and independently and they will have sufficient ammunition to fire at a ‘Socialist’ teacher that is ‘brainwashing’ students (that goes for teachers in general too).”
OK we should forget all about the political corruption, the billions of wasted dollars, the perverted social outcomes, the damaged lives, the knee capped economy, the broken families, the high crime rates.. everything that stems from this vile perversion of a once good idea.
Not to mention that we are forced to fund it through the taxation system. When you get a moral base Fale, you’ll understand that this is much worse than anything Al Capone ever did.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
“You still havn’t been able to reply, what culture is being ruined?”
That is because I choose not to reply. I have no interest in dealing with ignorance as deep and unrecoverable as yours. Putting any intelligence into responding to one who demonstrates such abject knuckle dragging ignorance of history and culture would be the epitome of pearls before swine.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
“…OK we should forget all about the political corruption, the billions of wasted dollars, the perverted social outcomes, the damaged lives, the knee capped economy, the broken families, the high crime rates.. everything that stems from this vile perversion of a once good idea…”
that’d be that act-ite/rand-ite/doudlas-ite/thatcher-ite/reagan-ite rightwing revolution you’d be talking about there…eh..?
..and how if fucked/perverted the once ‘good idea’ labour party..
..eh..?
i hope they can find their way back…eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
“..Wimmin, so many of them these days driven by misguided Marxist rubbish that they think is liberation ideology, are generally much more susceptible to the kind of mush brained propaganda that is at the base of your thinking processes…”
that one is a ‘must’..for yer ‘best-of’..eh..?
had a successful ‘life’ with ‘wimmin’ there..eh..?..red-bum0biter..?
they must think you are a real sweetie..eh..?
wot with those cardies/streams of homilies…eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
http://www.ponsprim.com/the_curriculum.cfm
Here is a link to the curriculum for my sons school, show me where the socialist agenda is.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
“That is because I choose not to reply.” – code for ” I cannot answer that with my usual stream of invective.”
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Redbaiter, I have not argued that we forget anything thank you. I will argue that by educating our children at home and at school we are preparing them for the real world and arming them with the ammunition to challenge the controversy that teachers are naturally bound to deliver.
At the same time I agree that a systematic approach is also essential. This has nothing to do with my moral base, or lack thereof (as you seem to suggest). This is about targeting the system with a two-tier approach that is more likely to succeed than blog-bitching or calling for revolt.
I happen to be a school board member, I am politically obligated to encourage a process of dialogue with the general public, however I don’t see what you see in our system.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
I find it hard to believe that women really are more susceptible to a socialist agenda. They have a role in protecting and caring for the home, they have less time for politics. I would guess there are very few women who comment here.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
“I cannot answer that”
That you think it might be difficult is only more evidence of how crippled both your political perceptions are. My point is it would be waste of time. Would you want to spend any time explaining (for example) window glass to a chimpanzee?
“Here is a link to the curriculum for my sons school, show me where the socialist agenda is.”
I cannot believe your political perceptions are so crippled you could provide me with this much ammunition and not know it.
Let’s leave aside anything more detailed than socialist crap like “diversity, equity, community and participation, ecological sustainability, relating to others, participating and contributing, social sciences (we already know what that really is) and all of the other disgusting garbage that should not for one minute being fed to innocent and gullible children, and you show me wherein the curriculum there is some reference to liberty, individuality, self sufficiency, sovereignty and morality?
If one school ever needed to be defunded, it is this stinking nest of communist indoctrinators and molesters of children’s minds.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
“I would guess there are very few women who comment here.”
There are some. Thankfully not many as seriously brain damaged as you.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Come on Red
Admit the culture thats being ruined is the “English colonial mono cultural ,land of the mighty whitey” template.
We all know you are not racist because some of your best freinds are Sikhs as well.
Anyway. The PM has done the sensible thing embracing the Maori party, Labour only ever paid lip service to their vote anyway.
Better watch out Red “the darkies are coming” .
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
“Admit the culture that’s being ruined is the “English colonial mono cultural ,land of the mighty whitey” template.”
Its actually the culture that says all men are equal under the law, justice is blind, one man has one vote, and a person is innocent until proven guilty. All basic principles crushed by your ignorant unknowing subscription to jackbooted liberal fascism, not in the least when you allow one race superior political representation over others, which is a leaf right out of Adolf Hitler’s Aryan hand book.
See what I mean when I say you’re ignorant of history? Just a sad blinkered mental midget made even worse by being cut off at the intellectual knees and having a skull full of half baked socialist shit.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
“Anyway. The PM has done the sensible thing embracing the Maori party,_
I strongly disagree.
How good is to be in cahoots with a group of greedy racists whose only objective is to advance their divisive cause? The Maori Party agenda is race-based and not beneficial to all New Zealanders.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
“social sciences (we already know what that really is)” – LOL. If you cannot tell the difference between social science and socialism you are probably not going to offer a very convincing argument.
As for women Cactus Kate hardly comes across as being a socialist doers she ? If you think she is then I challenge you to tell here that
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
“As for women Cactus Kate hardly comes across as being a socialist doers she ? If you think she is then I challenge you to tell here that”
So we’re on to yet another subject now? Left gasping like a landed fish on every occasion of your defeat, you each time desperately reach out for a new issue. So typical of the way you incoherent and muddled communist losers behave.
When did I ever say anything about Cactus Kate being a socialist?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Manolo – the Maori Party are a major political force in this country due to the Maori seats. The Maori seats should probably be disestablished under MMP but that seems very unlikely to happen. National is wise to keep the Maori Party on side
I suspect there is the Othello factor in this for some people – they don’t want the races to mix. Race seems a dumb thing to base a political party on but that is the situation we have so we need to accept it and move on.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
“some people – they don’t want the races to mix.”
Name one of those people, and when you do, advise of their degree of political support.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
First I was a woman and now I am a communist
All women are socialists. Cactus Kate is a woman. Therefore Cactus Kate is a socialist.
Russell you really need to try harder.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
“Funny how that dribbling ghoul curia has written more words on Redbaiter to this blog than on any other subject. Nobody ever writes anything much about curia.”
Interesting that the bot was programed to have an apparent attention-seeking ego. It’s one of the few aspects of its artificial personality – which once again reveals it to be a bot, not a person.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
“First I was a woman and now I am a communist”
Not really. It was always pretty obvious you were a communist right from the start. I’m not going to respond to any more of your whining irrational drivel about Kate.
Hmmm, there is curia, again exhibiting her weird fascination with Redbaiter. So sad to see such an intensive degree of mental dysfunction.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
“Interesting that the bot was programed to have an apparent attention-seeking ego. ”
Curia to be fair to Mr Fletcher the rest of us are guilty of feeding his “attention-seeking ego.”
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
AH NO. WHY DO WE NEED TO ACCEPT IT???
THIS EPITOMIZES THE ATTITUDES THAT SOCIALISM INDOCTRINATES INTO THE MINDS OF PEOPLE.
WE SAY ITS SO, SO DON’T EVER QUESTION THE PRINCIPLED BASIS FOR IT BEING SO.
there is no principled basis for their being Maori seats any longer. That basis went when MMP was introduced and it was recommended then by the commission that the Maori seats be disbanded.
Vote:Catchup on your knowledge and check up on your principles. One man one vote and no privilege.
June 20th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
red said..
“..There are some…”
sometimes..red..y’know..!
becomes redina for the night…
..eh..?
(he shucks the cardie..and puts on the cardie…
..if you know what i mean..)
pretty scary really..eh..?
..that thought/image..
..(think that warbling sensation from that british telly talent-show…eh..?
..shudder..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
“the rest of us are guilty of feeding his “attention-seeking ego.””
Not really. I just find it horrifying that such poisonous people and ideas are abroad in what was once such a free and great country. Our grandfathers and fathers died to defend against your lot, and here you are right now, amongst us and enjoying political and social ascendancy. What a waste of precious and valuable lives.
Still waiting for that name, or is answering questions something only the plebians should do?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
“..When did I ever say anything about Cactus Kate being a socialist?..”
is she not a ‘wimmin’…?
but..you said….
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Red says: Its actually the culture that says all men are equal under the law, justice is blind, one man has one vote, and person is innocent until proven guilty.
: None of the things above are threatened in anyway by the Maori Party Nats Alliance
Culture:: the quality in a person or society that arises from an interest and aquaintance with what is generally regarded as excellent in arts, letters manners, scholarly pursuits. (what I meant by a young country with very little culture yet ,compared to races with thousands of years of producing things useful to man kind}
And far be it from me to criticise your use of the english Red but ..jackbooted liberal fascism.. seems to be a bit of a mix of metaphors.
Manalo: The MP are race based no doubt, as the Greens are “Fuck knows what” based, all they are doing is trying to get the best they can for their members, same as anyone elected to a position, they have debts to pay and they have to get what they can or they are out of business.
There is alot more to worry about from Forest and Bird and the like,even DOC, who have an agenda and are not even elected always on the radio and TV, no body challenges what they say.
There is too much fear , fear breeds insecurity and people start wearing white sheets on their heads.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
V2 – actually the basis for maori seats ended in 1879 when the property-ownership qualification for voting was droppped.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
“And far be it from me to criticise your use of the english Red”
So don’t you tiresome half educated socialist fuckwit.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Redbaiter,
Have you read The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
PIA. possibly so but it was continued for various reasons but there is no doubt that the recommendation was to remove that privilege when MMP was introduced.
Its time for Maori to end it themselves for they have ably demonstrated in the last week or so that they have no need of a race based seat for they can achieve their objectives without them. And privilege is not a sound basis for politics.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Red
Always the abuse, some humour or puns something but ‘Fuckwit” a man of your undoubted knowledge should be able to come up with something sharper, at least in a foreign language even
When you get to 10000 comments are you going to be like Sesame Street and go off air? Perhaps at least get out of your state house and have a wander down to the dairy and see whats happening in New Zealand.
On a serious note regarding: “Our grandfathers and fathers died to defend against your lot, and here you are right now, amongst us and enjoying political and social ascendancy. What a waste of precious and valuable lives.”
A lot of Maori grand fathers and fathers died in all those wars a swell for thier decendants. Ngata had a Maori battalion from the east coast ready to go to WWI but they wouldn’t let it go becasue they didn’t want the “darkies” fighting white men i.e Germans. Fucking great culture that
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
“Have you read The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto?”
No I have not Lucia, but I have read other books on the subject, including Glenn Beck’s books and Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”. Actually, I sent a whole swag to Crusader Rabbit recently in audio book format. You should ask him if he would send some of them on to you. I’m sure you’d find them interesting. Others by Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin, Mark Levin, Bernard Goldberg and others.
Glad to see Michelle Bachmann and Marsha Goldberg frightening hell out of the totalitarians too. Brilliant women
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Redbaiter,
Then you need to read it. It’s available online, with a link at the top of this summary and review of it.
Basically, you need to read it because education was already highjacked before the left came onto the scene, and the book shows you how that happened and why. The left are merely using a mechanism that was already in place to implement their ideas.
It’s probably a better use of your time than arguing with this lot.
American Gardener, you might want to have a look as well. But prepare for having your mind blown!
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Is there a link between Clark’s “haters and wreckers” view and those here who hate to see National and the Maori Party use our democracy together to make progress. Earning real karma of middle NZ.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
“It’s probably a better use of your time than arguing with this lot.”
Maybe, maybe not. It is important that the left wing strangle hold on the political discourse is broken, and that will not happen unless you confront them in the public arena. You must argue against them, and you must show others that there are other ideas out there. Otherwise nothing will be discussed but left wing ideas.
You have to advocate different ideas, and break the hold that the communist centralists have on thinking (and speaking) in this country. You must confront the “New Totalitarians”.
I will find and read the book. Thank you for the reference.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Lucia – bots don’t read, as far as i know… If you want to read a truely illuminating book regarding education, i suggest “Discipline and Punish”, by Michel Foucault
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_and_Punish
Also – i’d say schools are more authoritarian institutions than left or right. i.e. in NZ high schools people are indoctrinated with far-right economics.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Latest karma (TV3)
National 56%
Vote:John Key 69%
June 20th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
“NZ high schools people are indoctrinated with far-right economics.”
Hah hah.. that’s right. That’s why the government represents about 70% of NZ GNP. Idiot. What a useless assertion. No wonder you prefer obsessing over Redbaiter.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Totally off topic now
Red, read :The West and the Rest, by Roger Scruton the UK conservative philosopher. he is educated and makes the Glenn Becks look like comic books
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
The UK, once a global bastion of respect for individual freedom, is lost in the decay of socialism. Nothing good will come out of there, and most UK Conservatives have long ago surrendered to the Communists. Until there is blood in the streets, the UK is not worth spit.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Lucia Maria, how much do you think that the education system educates the masses just enough to keep them exploitable, compared to how much the masses are happy to accept a “just enough” education and lifestyle?
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Curia pigeon,
Redbaiter is a one-man army. I admire his spirit, while not totally agreeing with the methods. But he’s not a “bot”.
No, schools are both left and right authoritarian institutions. They ensure that prevailing political directions are implemented and that the economic situation continues. Anything else creates an unpredictable society with too many independent thinkers which means that those who wish to control everything and make the majority of the money are left with nothing. Left and right have just as much to lose here.
The only real solution is wresting control of education away from the Government. Currently, this can only be done on an individual basis by withdrawing from state education.
Redbaiter,
Yes, it’s definitely worthwhile doing this. You never know who is reading will therefore take your ideas on-board. But, I’m not sure you are going to get any further today with this lot today.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Pete,
I can’t answer that question. I don’t know why I can’t make sense of it, but I truly can’t.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Lucia
The only real solution is wresting control of education away from the Government. Currently, this can only be done on an individual basis by withdrawing from state education…………………………………………………
So you advocate sticking your head up your behind and wimping out? Gutless
Head for for your compound in Idaho then, Our relegion is one of tolerance and understanding supposedly .Thats why the MP and National working together is a good thing, people of Maori decent arent fucking aliens they are New Zealanders and have the right to have their own political party.
The education system has always been liberal ,always. If you rely on all your kids education happening during the 6 hours they are being baby sat at school then you should have had you nuts cut.
These same kids are going to go out and meet other people all ove the world,form theiir own ideas, heaven forbid think for themselves, what are you going to do, with draw them from travelling.?
My kids can vote anyway they want to ,sleep with anyone they want to ,do anything they want to as along as they don’t impact negatively on another human being
GIve your kids, the National Party and the Maory Party some credit. lets face it the world would be a lot scarier if it thought like a lot of us here.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
“The Maori Party are a major political force in this country due to the Maori seats. The Maori seats should probably be disestablished under MMP but that seems very unlikely to happen. National is wise to keep the Maori Party on side.”
You gave the game away. The fact that this National government does not have the courage to disestablish the Maori seats despite of promises to the contrary, speaks volumes for its unprincipled attitude.
You can call it pragmatism or any other name, but it reeks of cowardice and political expediency, not to mention the breaking of another electoral promise.
But hey, what can you expect from an appeaser like Key & co.? Very little, unfortunately.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Paul in east bay.
My absolute first priority as a parent is to my children.
So, if I’m not in the state schools fighting the good fight for all, it’s because of that.
I think the state school system is fundamentally broken and cannot be fixed.
Therefore. my only option is to withdraw.
Meanwhile, I’m giving my children a real education and it costs me.
If more parents had the guts to do the same, then things would change.
My children are taught self-restraint, self-discipline, care for others and love for God. I hope once they are old enough they will vote for those that exhibit the same virtues. I think those things will help them far more in the long run than your philosophy.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
“the government represents about 70% of NZ GNP”
lol – this propaganda bot sure has been programed with some funny “facts”.
According to far-right propagandist, Roger Douglas “Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP is set to rise from 31.8 percent in the 2007-08 financial year to 37.3 percent in the 2009-10 financial year”.
Yep – just a few bugs to be ironed out…
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Same thing differently expressed.
Respect for other human beings.
Lucia, you will support ACT for education then.
Vote:Vouchers to spend at the school of your choice.
Way to go.
June 20th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
“The education system has always been liberal ,always.”
See what I mean? Totally ignorant of history and as malleable as clay in the hands of his socialist masters.
“lets face it the world would be a lot scarier if it thought like a lot of us here.”
There’s never been so much to terrify in a long time so much as the ideas you propagate.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/90248-1895-school-exam-we-dumb.html
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Either way stool pigeon its a disgrace and impacts on the wealth of all NZer’s.
Vote:Reducing the Govt.’s spending improves the lot of NZer’s. Well documented if you care to look it up.
I think Sir Roger made the point that were Govt. spending to be just 29% of gdp then there would be no need for higher GST and other various assorted rip offs.
i.e. if govt. stop spending like a hydra headed woman on a shopping spree we would all have a lot more tp spend our selves in places where we need or want to spend the money.
That sounds good to me. Rather have a holiday than spend it on someone else’s lazy lifestyle because they chose not to graft.
June 20th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
“Yep – just a few bugs to be ironed out…”
” lol ”
Yep, in your damaged brain, for apparently you cannot read. Typical product of a fucked education system. Laffing her head off like the fucking jackass she is while she makes herself look even more stupid. Get an education fuckwit.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Red
Vote:Seriously, is your entire world view channeled through Fox news.?
June 20th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Hi Viking,
I’m a home-schooler. Though, I will support anything that reduces the power of government with regards to schooling (such as the voucher system).
And Dr Who was on, hence the delay in replying.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
“but I have read other books on the subject, including Glenn Beck’s books ”
“What Beck doesn’t want you to know is that he comes up with his crackpot ideas by using the Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theory Generator. It’s a handy gizmo that delivers fair and balanced paranoia on demand. He consults it every day before his show to help him choose among thousands of possible conspiracies to tout. ”
I have a feeling that there are a few comment makers on Kiwiblog who maybe using this handy online tool
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Give it up you smug unfunny bore with your ingratiating smilies. Your strategy of attempted ridicule of anyone who opposes your sick ideas is so long past its use by date. Its only head in sand political troglodytes like you who don’t know it.
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
“…Give it up you smug unfunny bore with your ingratiating smilies. Your strategy of attempted ridicule of anyone who opposes your sick ideas is so long past its use by date..”
that’s key..!
isn’t it…?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
There’s only advantages and opportunities going with Maori.
Vote:Labour took advantage and National took the opportunity.
June 20th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
“Give it up you smug unfunny bore with your ingratiating smilies. ”
Why stop now when I am just getting into my stride. Then again mocking the fringe right of the political spectrum is as simple as quoting them:
”This president I think has exposed himself over and over again as a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture….I’m not saying he doesn’t like white people, I’m saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist.”
—Glenn Beck, on President Obama, sparking an advertiser exodus from his FOX News show, July 28, 2009
Vote:June 20th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
“Glenn Beck, on President Obama, sparking an advertiser exodus from his FOX News show, July 28, 2009″
Any advertiser who exited his show due to leftist bullying only did themselves a disfavour given Beck is still by far the biggest draw card in his timeslot, with an audience many times the size of his left wing counterparts.
Beck is only getting bigger, and there is nothing the corrupt power obsessed left can do to stop him.
(You call that pathetic shot your stride, your baby steps must be worse than pitiful.)
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 8:57 am
And what about the “corrupt power obsessed right” ?
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm
“Yep, in your damaged brain, for apparently you cannot read. Typical product of a fucked education system. ”
See what i mean? The redbaiter bot, when challanged on its lies, repetitively mixes the same cliched rhetoric with the same childish insults.
It’s the same pattern all the way back for years. No human could be bothered repeating the same rhetoric, insults and lies day after day, year after year. It can only be a bot.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 1:42 pm
And what about the “corrupt power obsessed right” ?
Gawd, you really are a special case of ignorance aren’t you. What rock do you live under in what prehistoric swamp? The right do not want power you moron, and if you had the faintest inkling of the true nature of the political spectrum, you would know that the right advocate and wish for small POWERLESS government with the only requisite for strength being in enforcement of a Justice system, record keeping and international security through well equipped armed forces.
It is only the left that seeks big government, and to use that big government to convince citizens that even bigger government is necessary. Uses that government to enhance its own political fortunes. You are unprincipled tyrants and totalitarians, slowly destroying democracy and freedom in every country where you manage to attain social and political ascendency.
Power seeking right?? Pffffttt.. What a fucking know nothing waste of space uninformed communist fuckwit. Get back under your rock and shut the fuck up. Time wasting moron.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
That’s why they never contest elections?
“The right” believe that all people are equal. Those that get control of armies and banks and multinational companies, and those who long for the patriarchal family, are just a bit more equal than others.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Of course Russell – that would explain why the CEO of Halliburton ( a company that picked up $10 billion of contracts in post war Iraq) was the US vice president during the Iraq war. No link there between right wing politicians and the use of that power.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm
“No link there between right wing politicians and the use of that power.”
There isn’t a link actually, except in your hopelessly fried brain. ..and they’re still working there with Obama in power.
And anyway to think the Republican Party epitomizes some kind of aspiration for the right is another example of what a complete troglodyte you are. What the fuck do you think the Tea Parties are all about? The failure of the Republican Party to adhere to the American Constitution and conform to the small government political model it professes to.
Like the Nats in NZ, its just a weak model of the Democrats. (well, not as bad as the Nats, but pretty bad) Go away you sad out of touch tired old commie moron. You make Keith Locke look space age, and you don’t have the faintest idea what’s going to happen to you soon.
“That’s why they never contest elections?”
Contesting elections is the only way to stop you blood sucking commies from expanding your power base.
“those that get control of armies and banks and multinational companies”
Only a fuckwit like you PG would classify Obama as a rightist.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I didn’t classify Obama as anything Reddy, but I presume you know that.
Why do you keep trying your faux authoritarian power trips here? Not right?
When did communism start? When did democracies start? When did right and left and power seeking start?
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Jawhol Obstenfuehrer..!!
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Was für Unsinn. Ich werde aus dir nicht schlau.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Red, you need to brush up on your German. It’s terrible.
I guess you mean “Jawohl, Herr Obersturmbannführer!”
At least have the courtesy of correct spelling.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm
“Red, you need to brush up on your German.”
Eszett, you need to brush your shiny black jackboots. Now fuck off and do it.
Vote:June 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Feeling a bit kinky today, Red?
Vote:Thought you may be into latex, leather and boots.