Bye Bye Andy
July 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pm by David FarrarThe Herald reports:
Now, on the same programme, he has this week commented on historic sex allegations against former All Black Robin Brooke, made by two unnamed women, one of whom subsequently laid a complaint with police.
“There’s a bloke called Hugh Grant. He got into a bit of trouble like this and I think if the cheque bounces sometimes, they only realise that they’ve been raped, you know, sometimes,” he said.
Haden said there were two sides to every story.
“It’s an equal society now, some of these girls are targeting rugby players and targeting sportsmen and they do so at their peril today, I think.”
Rape support groups have hit out at the remarks.
Minister responsible for the Rugby World Cup Murray McCully said he was only made aware about the comments last night and was now considering the issue.
The problem with Haden isn’t so much the issues he talks about, but the way he talks about them.
My 2c advice for Murray McCully is to consider whether he really thinks it is possible Andy Haden can go another 13 months without one or more utterances like this.
Do you want to sack him after the third, fourth, or fifth occurrence – or get it over and done with now?
July 9th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
The guy lives in a time warp – stuck in the days when he wore a black jersey obviously. We have moved on as a society from such attitudes, and this guy clearly lives in an echo chamber of his own views, – that what Robin Brooke did was perfectly acceptable and the girl was a whore asking for it (that’s the subtext).
Newsflash: its 2010, and no it’s not acceptable.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Rugby is a man’s game and it’s about time women realised it. Haden is saying things which to anyone other than a hand wringing sandal wearing feminazi are just plain old common sense.
The reaction from the rape crisis woman was completely and predictably over the top. Clearly appeals to the palid denizens of Wellington’s beltway.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Exactly what moral authority does any MP have in the wake of recent expenditure issues? Seems the more immoral an MP gets, the softer their ears become. Headline: Man speaks his truth, then sacked. And people don’t trust politicians anymore, because they don’t speak the truth. And if a CEO speaks the truth, he’s sacked by the board. And the same people call for transparency from the government. I could understand if Andy was revealing something so utterly mind boggling, so earth shatteringly true that people were actually dying on hearing it, but really, if this is the kind of thing you can’t say without being sacked, we really are a nation of intellectual midgets with the life experience and emotional IQ of toddlers.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
the dude cracks me up! he has a point too.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
You want Haden to resign for telling the truth?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
““It’s an equal society now, some of these girls are targeting rugby players and targeting sportsmen and they do so at their peril today, I think.”
Haden is right.
“The problem with Haden isn’t so much the issues he talks about, but the way he talks about them.”
I disagree.
Vote:Haden speaks his mind without being bound by PC rubbish. The fear of offending people is entrenched in today’s NZ. The country needs more frankness and less spineless and duplicitous individuals.
July 9th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Haden should take a dive out of the lineup.
He does have a point. Females hanging around sports people or entertainers looking for a celebrity screw, and/or females getting drunk should be aware they are taking greater risks. But it doesn’t excuse the behaviour of the other party.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
“…World Cup Minister Murray McCully refused to sack Haden from his ambassador role, saying he was important because of his network of
Vote:racists and rapistssporting and business leaders”July 9th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
“…World Cup Minister Murray McCully refused to sack Haden from his ambassador role, saying he was important because of his network of racists and rapists sporting and business leaders”
That’s slanderous, toad. You should come up with detailed accusations, provide names and criminal offenses. Otherwise, shut up.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
WHOA!! haven’t seen this story yet.
Hayden goes large again…
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
That’s slanderous, toad. You should come up with detailed accusations, provide names and criminal offenses. Otherwise, shut up.
No! You shut up!
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Haden’s showing forthrightness that we need. Too much said, by too many hiding real opinions in an increasingly PC world.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Thanks for that Toad, I am sure I am not the only one who has saved that little gem and sent it on to Haden.
As for those demanding that Toad provide evidence, hell, you will be waiting a long time. Toad is a Green, they NEVER provide evidence to support their lies.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Andy, putting the ass back into ambassador
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Thats quite disgusting Toad – I’ve seen demerits and bans for far less than what you have just stated
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
““It’s an equal society now, some of these girls are targeting rugby players and targeting sportsmen and they do so at their peril today, I think.”***’
Haden in trouble again for speaking honestly.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
“…Co-wailer, Russel Norman called for Haden to be sacked from his ambassador role, saying he was unimportant to the Green network of hippie chicks and whale activists.”
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
“It’s an equal society now, some of these girls are targeting rugby players and targeting sportsmen and they do so at their peril today, I think.”
sounds like he misses the good ol days day when women just took the shit, kept their mouths shut and darkies knew their place in the world but he’s still not averse to laying the smack down on anyone…i think
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
O Horseshit, DPF.
You are away with the fairies.
I dont know personally or admire Haden. But I think this PC nonsense is a load of crap.
(It annoys me that such language is necessary to bluntly emphasise a point.)
Having once been a high profile sports figure, I was fortunate that I was never subject to the sort of media second guessing and misrepresesntation that goes on today – not to mention the overt and covert attempts at extortion.
But I was warned and did take steps to ensure that there was no opportunity for entrapment.
Haden made his comments ( I saw the programme so I do NOT need the NZPA version) in the context of a wider discussion and were, in my view, perfectly reasonable and acceptable.
If McCully M decides to move against Haden after this, it is time for every churnalist/repeater to look to their past. McCully and every politician should also look to their past.
Vote:But
July 9th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Maybe someone (big bruv, Bob R) could explain the ‘truth’ Andy Haden is meant to be talking.
That some sportsmen rape women and the women had it coming?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
No one said anything about rape. The truth is that some women are groupies. Or as a musician once told me – Star Fuckers. Maybe YesWeDid can prove to me that these women don’t exist? Or explain why it is wrong to say they exist? Or why they wish they didn’t exist?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I’m not saying they don’t exist. But how does that justify rape?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
YesWeDid, the truth is that:
* Some women deliberately target sportsmen in bars
* The woman get drunk (and so does the sportsman)
* Consensual sex occurs
* Some time afterwards (next day, next week), the woman regrets what took place.
Possibly where Haden oversteps the mark is where he talks about the cheque book – I haven’t heard of any cases of blackmail of this nature. However, it has been in the news several times where women want to withdraw consent AFTER the event. A bit late then…
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
The truth is that some women are groupies. Or as a musician once told me – Star Fuckers.
http://pollywannacracka.blogspot.com/2009/03/starfuckers.html
yeah they’re out there, but the danger comes in thinking they all are
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
I had thought MCCully had told Haden to consider his public statements more carefully in future?
Vote:Clearly he cant help himself.
How he draws a a parallel between Hugh Grant picking up a hooker and Robin Brooke’s situation is beyond me.
Haden; I told you once, you’ve stepped over the line, you cant keep your mouth shut, you’re fired!
July 9th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
rooting someone’s who’s unconscious is generally regarded as bad form and/or enough to send you down for 5-7yrs – allblack, groupie, or otherwise.
it always will be.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
When Andy does that, you’ll have good cause to report it to the police. But since he hasn’t and since the context of his words didn’t include that suggestion, what has it to do with him?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Those middle-aged white ringers pouring scorn on the outrage are as out of touch as Haden is.
Again, as with the other comments, it’s not that what he said was necessarily untrue, but there is such a thing as tact and sensitivity, especially when you have a genuine victim of groping and unwanted advances. In that context, comparing the situation to Hugh Grant and effectively calling Brooke’s accuser a prostitute is just not acceptable. Fire him.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Gobbon: When Andy does that, you’ll have good cause to report it to the police. But since he hasn’t and since the context of his words didn’t include that suggestion, what has it to do with him?
read thread/story muppet. if still unclear will try help explain.
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Jonesy
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Please explain k.jones.
can’t wait.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Curious
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Fair point Andrei – but it is feasible that someone could be not unconscious at the time of having sex but have no recollection of it the next day. Getting drunk can cause poor judgement, and it can also cause memory loss.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Perhaps we could all breathe through our noses a bit?
AFAIK the recent Robin Brooke news item is based on other people levying accusations which are not being supported by the supposed victim. The supposed victim in the recent news item has not laid a complaint with Police, and has indicated that she is not interested in laying a complaint.
Robin Brooke certainly comes out of it looking like a complete tosser, but I think it’s unwise for anyone without access to the facts to throw around accusations of rape given that’s a very serious criminal offence that carries a long jail term.
Meanwhile, the journo’s quick jump to get comments on Andy Haden’s comments from rape crisis seems both (i) shallow journalism and (ii) yielding predictable knee-jerk responses.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
there is such a thing as tact and sensitivity
That’s really the key here. If Haden wants to spend his time making inflammatory comments about highly sensitive issues like rape and racism then that’s his perogative – but ambassadors don’t get to behave like that and if he wants to then he doesn’t get to be one.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
here i am Gibbon!!!
In retrospct i could have been clearer:
In the robin brooke incident it has been said, a flatmate found brooke having sex with her unconcious flatmate after a nights drinking and asked him to get away from her. Brooke cried, apologisied and left left a personal items behind. He offered (was not requested of him) to pay this woman concerned a small sum (under 10k). Brooke was pulled from the ABs captaincy in waiting role.
Haden will talk with the PM this arvo. This is because Andys earlier public statement (in reference to the robin brook incident, deaker live) has been interpreated by some as suggesting ‘she and others like her asked for it’, and “were after money”.
You’ll see in this thread, that some think:
some women do ‘ask for it”
Andy’s right to articulate those thoughts publically despite his role.
some think that’s a really shit thing to say
Hope this helps fellah – must away.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Andy Haden is a National Bloody Hero and don’t you forget it.
New Zealand is so lucky to have his pearls of wisdom. I’d say a Knighthood has to be in the offing in the near term future.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
How is this woman going to get a fair trial with Hayden’s comments. He gives the impression these girls deserve what they get even if the sex gets a little rough at times. “And maybe she has passed out, so what, the boys should be allowed to climb in and have a bit of fun. Harden up girls. Take it and like it.” I think Hayden belongs in the Stone age where women were carted around by the hair.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
This goes to the secret video story. The sort of behaviour that Haden is describing has been described numerous times on TV.
I remember a sports program years and yeas ago on TV involving a Rugby League captain (can’t remember the team) and a Rugby Union captain/senior player. The League captain was trying to convince the Union player to convert to League. He talked about the opportunities ‘to meet lots of very attractive women’. To which the Union player replied ‘there are plenty of opportunities for our players’.
I remember when the America’s Cup was being sailed here and a TV interview that explicitly referred to ‘racer chasers’.
I remember in the 80′s when the America warships came to visit, the women in the nightclubs would gather and mingle amongst themselves, and as soon as a group of sailors arrived, they’d be mobbed.
This sort of carry-on by women has been going on for decades if not centuries. It still carries on. Men do not drag women out by the hair. Stop being so fucking holier-than-thou about it.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Women may make themselves available for fun. But that does not mean they should be treated badly and consent does not need to be obtained for sexual activity. Animal behavior towards women which Hayden seems to condone is not acceptable.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
tvb
Again, why do women not need to obtain men’s consent for sexual activity? Why is women throwing themselves at international sporting representatives (and cops for that matter, ever been out on New Years eve?) and that attention being accepted suddenly become ‘animal behaviour towards women’?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
If Haden’s exact equivalent thoughts had been uttered by any woman, no one would have taken the slightest notice whatsoever – but because an alpha-male articulates his own belief, suddenly it’s some sort of major crime against humanity with every foolish fuck-head feminist and male panty-waist howling for him to be given the chop. Where exactly are the “political considerations” in “Rugby World Cup?”
I’m beyond disgust with the state to where we, as a society, have allowed ourselves to be driven, and filled with absolute horror at our continuing slavish obeisance to the matchless stupidity of political correctness. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot so many times. It demeans us especially as a nation and as a once-regarded-as-independent-thinking people when political-ball conscious goofs like Mallard announce their “horror” or “disapproval.” Going with the herd used to be clear evidence of the partisan non-thinker.
I hope McCully and Key are made of far better stuff than the screaming, non-thinking, panty-brains around him.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Positan
Vote:Fraid not. Haden is goneburger.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3901453/Andy-Haden-to-be-axed-from-World-Cup-role
July 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
“I hope McCully and Key are made of far better stuff than the screaming, non-thinking, panty-brains around him.”
You stand a better chance believing in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. The pair of crooks you just mentioned will pander to the mob. Mark my words.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Its now a Breaking News issue – McCully set to sack Haden
Haden has done absolutely nothing wrong except “the way he talks about..” an issue which occurs every weekend -drunk women star struck over sports stars. Well woopedy do. Get a fcken life all of you that get so up tight over a bloody media beat up.
Haden is world famous in rugby circles and is an obvious ambassador for the sport
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
I think McCully’s put it pretty succinctly:
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
McCully makes a reasonable point. Haden was advised of expectations already. Conflict of jobs.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
And it’s only 2 strikes. I thought they would have given him the chance to say something homophobic as well before sacking him.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Coward McCully.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Positan (67) Says:
July 9th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Positan – what’s an “Alpha Male” ?
I thought Haden was just a bloke.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
This is “issue” 100 % bullshit, and the bullshitters are those trying to hang Haden.
Not content with trying to lynch David Bain, the rabid blogging pack is now in pursuit of Haden.
Dont know him; dont like his persona. But he did NOT make a “statement”. He was NOT giving an interview. It was a panel disussion also involving former All Black and Selector, Laurie Mains and a well regarded UK / SA jurno, Peter Bills. Bills, incidentally supported Haden’s comments and outlined similar situations in Europe.
If McCully M. fires Haden (Hey, isnt this a non paying job?) it will be a breech of the principles of natural justice – game, set and match.
I think I will convey these thoughts direct to J Key and M McCully, lest they are presented with a phantamagorical verson of what occurred.
Vote:Goodafternoon
July 9th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
McCully said: “Naturally I am disappointed to again be in a situation where Mr Haden’s comments have
provoked public controversy…”
No the media provoked it
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
I don’t like Haden. He’s a lefty. I’d like to see him fired from his Ambassador’s job. But not for something like this.
This is an outrageous attack on freedom of expression and as with most of these kind of leftist concepts, amounts to nothing more than an abuse of the meaning of the word “offense”. Its time this utterly subjective word was taken out of all contracts guidelines and agreements.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Redbaiter, I can assure you the only thing leftist about Haden is the direction from which he dived from the line out.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Haden is an idiot. Do we really want to be represented by an idiot?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
“There’s a bloke called Hugh Grant. He got into a bit of trouble like this
Vote:Hugh Grant’s outing was nothing like Brooks’. He paid a $20 hooker to do the business in his car. Both parties fully knew the arrangement.
July 9th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
The issue isn’t Haden’s freedom of expression. It’s his professionalism… or lack thereof. He’s been warned about this once.
If I went around making outrageous comments that upset half the country, and giving out my business cards at the same time, I’d get the bullet.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
“Redbaiter, I can assure you the only thing leftist about Haden is the direction from which he dived from the line out.”
OK Gina, I’ll take your word for it and retract my claim. Be good to see some backup tho.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
“outrageous comments that upset half the country”
Prove it.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
“I don’t like Haden. He’s a lefty.”
“OK Gina, I’ll take your word for it and retract my claim.”
Remarkable. A precedent? Regardless, that’s funny. The autoresponse system does have a backdown facility. It doesn’t see red when pinked.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
LOL, did you not listen to any talkback during the “darkie quota” incident?
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
“Do we really want to be represented by an idiot?”
You vote for 120 or more of them every election.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
The out going chief censor ,just the other day,said freedom of speech was about protecting just this type of “offensive” speech( paraphrasing)
The reactions of the hand wringers proves freedom of speech in this country and indeed the west is in danger on the altar of feminism and a few other isms besides.
Having said that if Haden wants to be an ambassador he needs to be “diplomatic”.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
“LOL, did you not listen to any talkback during the “darkie quota” incident?”
See. Your claim is just weak propaganda. Lies actually.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
And now Breaking News All Blacks Ambassador sacked for telling the truth, Sports Minister says we cant have people telling it like it really is. The Ministry of Wimmins Affairs just wouldnt stand for it. I cant risk my vote in the election next year supporting someone who says it as it is instead of the usual lies and concealment. I stand for openess and honesty and free speech therefore I have demanded Mr Haden write his resignation letter.
Let this be a lesson for any citizen who dares challenge the State ordered position on any matter. I will not tolerate dissent.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Haden was free to say what he said. Whoever is in charge of who is RWC ambassador is free to decide on what sort of representative they want.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Not a word from the lefty lickspittle feminist media wimps when Miss Klark called West Coasters “feral inbreds”!
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
You are correct I didn’t conduct a census before claiming “half” the country was upset. My bad.
Pfffft – where would 98% of your BS and hysteria be, if you applied the same rigorous standard to your own claims?
PS – Dad, west coasters really really are feral inbreeds. No outcry was warranted there.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
“PS – Dad, west coasters really really are feral inbreeds. No outcry was warranted there.”
Didn’t the lickspittle lying corrupt Labour Party originate there you deranged headbanger!
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
^^^ That may be true – back when everyone over there really laboured, and didn’t have much time left over for inbreeding. It’s been a long march since then…
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
“You are correct”
Pity you didn’t realise this more often.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
I suspect the working men of the Coast who founded Labour would struggle to find common ground with todays’ “Labour’ who some one described as the worst of the middle classes representing the working classes.(words to that effect).
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Just because a few feral man-haters loudly screech doesn’t make it ‘public controversy’. And PinkGina’s right. The media are looking to manufacture stories far too often these days
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
re Voice of reason (144)
“Positan – what’s an “Alpha Male?”
I thought Haden was just a bloke.”
In the assumption it’s not an idiot question – try http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-alpha-male.htm
The definitions go further than the meaning I sought to advance, which was that Haden is recognised and treated as a top guy and dominant force – both inside and outside his area of reference.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I am now of the opinion that Haden does not give a flying fuck if he is a rugby world cup ambassador or not, he is having far too much fun telling the truth about Canterbury rugby and the slappers who hang around All Blacks.
It would not surprise me if having had a meeting or two with the gutless PC National Government Haden has come to the conclusion that he does not want to associate with such a bunch of bed wetting hand wringers.
The only thing we have to do now is convince Haden to run for the super city mayoralty, imagine the fun that he would provide if he won, he would have the feminists, the Greens and all the PC wankers in a rage by the end of the first week,
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
I have had enough of this spineless, coward and politically correct National Party government.
Vote:McCully’s disgraceful behaviour is on par with the worst of Clark’s rulings.
July 9th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
k.jones:
I thought as much. Your opinion on allegations of heresay, mixed with assumption, transposed onto Andy Haden, then argued as certainty. I agree, you should “away”.
There was one good laugh available on TV3, when the Samantha Hayes refered to a “Murray McCurry”.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Hayden called it pretty right. Sad to see truth and honest opinion is a sackable offence.
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
For a good treatment of this subject http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181875/ (almost famous)
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
I never thought Hone’s ‘white motherfucker’ comments were a good look for a MP
but
Whaleoil described it as an ‘opinion’ and that was a good thing, because atleast then you know where people stand. that is lacking in our society, a supposed democracy.
Thin skinned…. ( Hell, our Sth Auck police force would need lots of tissues and councelling).
Vote:July 9th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
yeah breaking news
young women deliberately set out to score sportspeople!
who knew?
Its a scandal….
oh, thats right, everyone knew, its why sports teams like coming to NZ, lots of easy sex.
NZ is the sports groupie capital of the world, has been for years.
Ask Capt Mark Phillips.
But of course, anyone who ever admits it out loud is an evil sexist criminal.
Vote:July 10th, 2010 at 12:51 am
Pete George – “Whoever is in charge of who is RWC ambassador is free to decide on what sort of representative they want.”
That’s right, they would rather have a run of the mill, slimy spinmeister with a plastic smile who nods and gives platitudes. Can’t have that old truth shit getting in the way of the big event.
Half the problem with most sport these days is the bullshit, lies and hypocrisy surrounding them. Boxing? – bullshit, olympics? – full of cheats, Tour de France? – more like Tour de Farce. Credibility in sport is rarer than the proverbial, Haden spoke with some credibility. Much preferable than having another hand wringing, soft cock dribbling on about “getting rid of the culture” around rugby. Pffft.
Vote:July 10th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Andy for PM!
Vote:July 10th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Andy said the truth and the Angel Gabrielle of this country jumped up in numbers to condemn what he said…
I have had drinks with some past rugby players during their playing heyday in bars in Auckland and young girls always turn up trying to score them, ie, to take them home for an all night shagging session. That was no big deal then and young girls are still doing it these days which is still no big deal.
Vote:July 10th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Funny how the president of the country that hosted the football world cup can get away with raping a prostitute with aids, yet we think that a rugby great who speaks the unpleasant truth should not represent NZ. Andy Hayden represents NZ more accurately and honestly than politically correct John Key could ever dream of.
Vote:July 10th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
“Andy Hayden represents NZ more accurately and honestly than politically correct John Key could ever dream of.”
Vote:Well said, Charlie. The reason for Key and McCully’s attitude is one word: cowardice.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
It not just young women who target sportmen, young (and not so young) men target sportswomen – tennis players especially. All the men salivating at Kournakova when she played in Auckland was just male hormonal lunacy and NZ Tennis did nothing but talk it up because they were getting great coverage. Talk about pimping.
Andy Haden apparently said
““There’s a bloke called Hugh Grant. He got into a bit of trouble like this and I think if the cheque bounces sometimes, they only realise that they’ve been raped, you know, sometimes,”
Hugh Grant got into trouble because he was seen in public by the police. The prostitute didn’t say she was raped. From what I’ve read, HG said he make a mistake and apologised, very publically, straight away.
If you’re going to make public pronouncements about rape then you have to know what you’re talking about.
Vote: