Imagine this scenario
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:00 am by David FarrarThink what would have happened in this scenario.
A European/Pakeha Member of Parliament is quoted as saying he would not be comfortable if his children dated a Maori.
And then upon further questioning, he said that he wouldn’t have a problem if they dated an American or an Australian, but would not want them dating either a Maori or a Pacific Islander.
I don’t think I am wrong in saying it would be the lead item on TV news. It would be on the front page of every newspaper. The Race Relations Conciliator would have condemned it. A dozen activists would have complained to the Human Rights Commission. Every major newspaper would have condemned the MP in editorials and there would be many calls for them to be sacked.
I’m not saying Hone should be sacked. In fact I will give him his dues that he doesn’t bullshit and says what he believes – no matter what. That is a rare quality in politics.
But I do think he is getting off too lightly from what was a pretty awful thing to say. He’s really abandoned all rights to talk about prejudice, when he declares skin colour matters to him, in terms of whom his children date. Even sadder was he seems to think most Pakeha thing the same as him – only in reverse.
We don’t Hone.
Now the media have not been totally silent on Hone. Rather than get out the editorial condemnation that would if it was a non-Maori MP, they have done the easy thing and asked the PM what he thinks, which the Herald reports:
Prime Minister John Key says it is “ridiculous” that MP Hone Harawira would not be happy about his children dating Pakeha. …
Mr Key said he found Mr Harawira’s views ridiculous.
“It depends on you as an individual but I wouldn’t care what ethnicity my kids dated as long as they are happy.”
Asked if he would be happy for his children to date Mr Harawira’s, he quipped: “I guess it would make the wedding an interesting thing, wouldn’t it.
But as long as they were happy, yep.”
Well that would be one way to keep the Maori Party onside – a Key-Harawira wedding.
Mr Key said he had met one of Mr Harawira’s daughters at an art college in Gisborne.
“She seemed a really nice girl, so yes, if Max wants to date her, she’s a bit older than him, though.”
Stephie Key is 17 and Max is 15.
Oh God poor Max. Having his dad talk about potential dates for him.
While the story is amusing, it shouldn’t just be about what the PM thinks on this issue. It should be about whether it is acceptable for any Member of Parliament to openly express prejudice like Hone did.
I guess you can say better to be open about your prejudices, then hide them. And again I do credit Hone with that. But I think it is again a very sad view point he has that race is more important to him than the qualities any individual person may have.
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
Whakapapa über alles.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:10 am
It is sad to hear Hone say that, but I don’t have a problem with him honestly stating his views.
Ah, some don’t, but some do for sure – there are strong racist views amongst parts of the whiter population. Which seems a bit pathetic considering how mixed race most of us are.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:16 am
Racism is institutionalised in NZ and no more so than in the mainstream media, who no doubt have their own local version of Journolist that enables them to arrive at an “appropriate” way of presenting each and any story that might have a political impact.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 am
Hone is a dirty stinking racist and he gets no free pass from me.
He is as pathetic and as discpicable as those people in the KKK.
The US had David Duke, NZ has Hone.
If you vote for that tool, you really have no right to complain about any racism from any white people.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:22 am
Amusing? Its not amusing its a fucking disgrace.
You don’t think he should be fired but you’re in a minority. He’s a stinking brown neck racist prick.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:24 am
Agree Murray.
Where is the Maori party leadership on this? It’s been revealed that they have a bigoted racist in their party, what are they planning to do about it?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
Might be a smart move for Max Key. He will need to marry into Harawira blood if he ever wants to own land in the Tuhoe nation after the revolution.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:28 am
“Ah, some don’t, but some do for sure – there are strong racist views amongst parts of the whiter population. ”
What’s the % proportion, Pete, in your opinion? 5? 10? 20? 50?
What.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:29 am
Double standards (such as this example of unadulterated racism) are rife among the PC brigade – and they wonder why they are mocked and ridiculed!
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:33 am
Come on, get with the program………….
If you are white you are a racist, colonial thieving pig and oppressor of the righteous non white peoples.
You must grovel and hand wring in a vain attempt to atone for your evil nature. Anything less is a crime.
Oh and make sure you never complain.
What’s so hard to understand about that ?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:35 am
I have seen a press release today from David Rankin, in which he states that the Harawira family changed their name to Harawira from Hatfield some years ago.
Can anyone confirm this? Is this correct?
If so, how does “John Hatfield” explain the pakeha in his whakapapa?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
Lance
Vote:you’ve hit the nail on the head, apparently you can’t be a racist if you’re not a white european.
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:52 am
We live in a free democratic society.. we don’t have to agree with the words the someone chooses… but do we still defend their right to say them… Hone like a child often pushes the boundaries… to see where the boundaries lie.. in a pakeha dominated free democratic society.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:53 am
Just imagine the vehement outcry from “injured” Maori, “outraged” Green MPs, “white” leftists, motley middle-of-the-road non-achievers, and the intensity of their denunciations, had any “white” New Zealander made the same utterance.
Harawira is a racist – but apparently in the non-functional minds of those who perceive such things, it’s OK to be a racist if you are not “white.” If we as a country accept that – we’re finished.
The fatuous influences that steer the Left need to be urgently expunged from our consciousness. Whether or not he was saying what he truly believed, Harawira should be prosecuted under the same rules as apply to non-Maori and be made to suffer the same sort of treatment.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Of the total population? I suspect at the lower end but I really have no idea and I doubt it has ever been surveyed. Some are vocal about it, some will feel similar but will be quiet about it.
And it will be there in different degrees. There are a lot of people with part Maori who do little to identiify as Maori. And there are others who have been seen as part Maori (eg my kids) who have no Maori at all.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Right of way is Way of Right .. a lot of NZ families changed their European names to Maori names at around the same time… 70s and 80s.. as it was more financially beneficial to do so… and still is.. based on greed.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Have the Greens had anything to say about this?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Hone’s a dick. In addition to his clearly racist views he’s started to become addicted to the controversy. There’s no going back from that road in my opinion.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
# RRM (2,455) Says:
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
Might be a smart move for Max Key. He will need to marry into Harawira blood if he ever wants to own land in the Tuhoe nation after the revolution.
Really, well you don’t know your Maori iwi from your Maori Iwi do you.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Actually its more likely according to Key’s messages that the first Maori Marriage next year could be Key + Peter’s.
Wouldn’t you all love that now.!!!
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:30 pm
I must be a racist then. I’ve had the experience with my children two or three times and it bloody well mattered to me whether they were going with one of those Maori who had been in prison, were Maori activists, in a do gooder NGO, in one of the more useless Govt depts, or long term unemployed.
What a relief when they all ordinary blokes and blokesses in ordinary jobs!
Mind you, I’d be as concerned if it were a Muslim.. the thought of a bloke chopping the veges and yelling Allah Akbar! would be pretty unnerving.
So yeah.. race is a first consideration for me, but principally because of the stereotypes it raises, not the colour of the skin or the culture.
JC
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm
While it is unfortunate that a parent would want to control the ethnicity of who his children dates (and that John Key is publicly bringing his an Hone’s kids into the debate), I don’t agree with David that the media should tell us what to think – it should inform people, present each side in proportion to the number of experts who hold those views, and let people make up their own minds.
I do agree that the PM is not the right person to interview on many of issues the media goes to the PM on – especially those not related directly to the executive government. Both Clarke and Key have, in my opinion, accepted interviews on subjects where it is completely inapproriate – criticising judges (especially for judgements against the government), issues relating to MPs from other political parties, and so on.
Surely it wouldn’t take the media that much more effort to arrange to speak to a well informed race-relations expert or a political studies professor or something like that?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
A1kmm the debate STARTED with Hone talking about his kids.
Take your ADD medication.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 pm
A racist in the racist party. Wonders will never cease.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I’m buggered if I can understand the reaction.
Hone’s views on race are exactly the same as the Green/Red party’s.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I sure as hell wouldn’t want my kids dating Hone’s kids!!!
Vote:And nothing to do with his kids but to do with HIS FAMILY!!
Good god, just the thought of it makes me shiver!!!
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Bropartheid!
Harawira’s fear probably comes from fear of being assimilated. But that was the basis of apartheid, too.
Too late Hone! A vast number of “non-Maori” NZers have Maori genes, and many, perhaps most Maori, have “non-Maori” genes. Mixing will continue, as it has in most places over the millennia. Homogeneity of race persevered in isolated spots like Korea and Japan, and within countries in such remote enclaves as the Basques of the Pyrenees, but NZ’s isolation was always going to be only temporary.
Harawira’s views are more than just personal prejudice, however. They reflect a political party that wants for NZ what boils down to racial separation – in justice, land ownership, and politics.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
He will need to marry into Harawira blood if he ever wants to own land in the Tuhoe nation after the revolution.
Help help, the Tuhoe are coming!
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:52 pm
DPF, you’re right the racist pig is getting off too light.
Harawira’s a shit stirrer, a bigot and doesn’t deserve anything
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Many perhaps most? ALL jack. Challenge him to get his dna tested and watch him run for cover.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 1:06 pm
David, Why give the controversy whore coverage?
all John Hatfield Cares about is that he’s in as many peoples consciousness as possible.
Interestingly enough “hone” is also a verb. Translation:
verb) (-a,-tia) to plunder, acquire wrongfully. Ka rere a Ruawharo rāua ko Tūpai ki roto o te kupenga ki te hone i ngā ika pūwharu mā rāua (W wh58).Ruawharo and Tūpai swam into the net and stole the choicest fish for themselves.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
At least Key is consistent and not milking it with faux outrage like HC would have.
He is pobably mindful of the uproar from the bros when he made a quip about the cooking pot a couple of months ago.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Who really cares about the Harawira family; the son Honney is no better than his mother – loudmouth gits both,
but I do feel sorry for the children being brough up in such an atmosphere of prejudice
What part of the children is Maori, is it only the colour of their skin?, which can be very attractive.
Poor children having bigotted parents and grandparents like they have.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 2:24 pm
What, spoiling our pure cuzzy bro blood by marrying Pakeha.
Whoops, too late for this hori.
Christ Hone is being a complete fuckwit with this issue, since when where NZ women given a choice on who they will date, it only confuses them
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 3:08 pm
As Lenin said, the eternal question is always “Who whom?”
So wouldn’t a cultural marxist say:
- If a member of the ‘privileged’ group is doing something to a ‘protected’ ‘oppressed’ group, that is bad.
- If a member of the oppressed group is doing something to the ‘privileged’ group that is fine.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm
***Where is the Maori party leadership on this? It’s been revealed that they have a bigoted r*cist in their party, what are they planning to do about it?***
It is an ethnic interest party, his views aren’t surprising. The term r8cism is really a shaming device to stop europeans from behaving in an ethnocentric manner like other groups tend to.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 3:27 pm
So let me get this right
The mixed blood John Hatfield has a problem if his daughter also of mixed blood lines dates a guy who has one of the mixed blood lines in the Hatfield family.
Have I got that right………………………………….. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm So John Hatfield doesnt think some of his historical bloodlines are as good as some of his other historical bloodlines.
Now thats an interesting point of view.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Well after all this time the wet bus ticket seller has come from under his rock.
Harawira out of sync
Tuesday, 3, Aug, 2010 11:44AM
Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres says Hone Harawira is out of sync with the rest of New Zealand and the Maori population.
The Maori Party MP says he wouldn’t feel comfortable about his children dating someone who’s Pakeha.
Mr de Bres says at least two-thirds of Maori newborns have mixed ethnicity parents. He says we’ve moved on a long way – particularly in relation to Maori intermarriage which has been a significant feature since the arrival of Pakeha.
No sign of outrage at Hone John’s honest belief at all. No off with your head for being racist, just more of the smiling appeasement that is infesting this nation currently.
Vote:Not that I care too much what Hone says because in many ways that’s reality for most even if we don’t admit to it.
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
If John Hatfield had been a whitey de Bres would be serving the papers on him by now.
de Bres is a racist as are all the others in that Commission.
They have 2 rules. One for Maori One for everyone else.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Mr de Bres head is out of sync with his ass.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Spoiled little right-wing rich white girls love brown guys (particularly the ones that are into hip-hop) lol. Pisses their dads right off. Hone was right. Shows how detatched you are imo Farrar.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
***Where is the Maori party leadership on this?
In bed with their Pakeha mates National… screwing the rest of us non Maori.
Hone is a hypocrite he will screw any Pakeha.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
To paraphrase Public Enemy, I could do with some colour in my family tree. As long as the bastard’s last name was not Harawira.
Hmmmm… maybe I should restrict my daughters to the 5% of Maori who vote National. Sounds like a plan.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Interesting: I am a National supporting Pakeha married into the Harawira family and have never been made to feel unwelcome or unwanted
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 4:55 pm
“The term r8cism is really a shaming device to stop europeans from behaving in an ethnocentric manner like other groups tend to.”
Best definition of racism ever!
Yeah the media, governing classes in this country are complete hypocrites. I actually don’t have a problem with what Hone says. At least he’s got the guts to say what he thinks. It’s the cowards in the media and parliament who are too spineless to condemn him and hang him out to dry like he should be.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Been thinking about this one, and think one of the even more worrying aspect is the defence of this racist prick:
This from Ms Mutu:
“”That mindset is still strong among many Maori. They still feel a lot of hate, distrust and there’s still a lot of hurt among Maori, by what the Pakeha did to us. The theft of all our land … we’ve got a really raw deal in this country and a lot of Maori are very hurt about that.”
By that justification, I am now going to blame ALL maori for every child murdered by a maori – fair?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Bevan fair enough, we hories will hold ALL Pakeha responsible when some Pakeha decides it is good form to stab a young woman over two hundred times.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Bevan fair enough, we hories will hold ALL Pakeha responsible when some Pakeha decides it is good form to stab a young woman over two hundred times.
And I’ll raise you when some Maori murders two 3 month old babies, then the rest of the Maori family hide what happened…. Should we carry on, on do you want to even try to understand the point I’m making?
Grumpy – you’ve clearly missed the point I was getting at. Ms Mutu, Hone and it seems yourself are willing to blame ALL pakeha for any theft of maori land – well news flash, I’m a Pakeha, and I can guaren-fucken-tee you that not one of my ancestors had anything to do with taking your land. What you do when you make these general statements alluding to collective responsibilty for a past wrong – all you are doing is making the majority of the NZ population less sympathatic to your cause. IE – your fucking it up for the rest of Maoridom.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 6:05 pm
grumpyoldhori (1,265) Says:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Bevan fair enough, we hories will hold ALL Pakeha responsible when some Pakeha decides it is good form to stab a young woman over two hundred times.
..what planet are you on pal…whats that got to do with you lot killing ya kids every day ?!? Bad form…sort ya race out.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Oh fuck I give up – I’m off to find a wall to bang my head against.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Hone is a racist. Not the kind of person you would expect as an MP.
He also assumes most NZ Europeans are racist.
I’d have a problem with any of my children dating a looser, nothing to do with skin color or ethnicity.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Well, if Hone wants to increase the chances that his daughter gets beaten, does drugs, gets involved in gangs, teenage pregnancy and shaken-baby, then Hone is doing the right thing.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Well Joris just wants to keep his job and therefore he is completely ineffectual. But so does John Hatfield (I do hope that catches on) except he has a better understanding of what he can get away with.
I think John does more to promote racist views against Maori than almost anything else in this country. Fail! But then perhaps that is his aim I suppose, so why is he still associated with the Maori Party?
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Reading the thread it appears that many here attended Winstons meeting today.
Ignore Hone, ignore Winston there’s much more important shit happening out there, Manly could still make the top 4 that s serious and will make me very angry.
FFS he gave an answer to some idiot 20 year old from a Sunday rag. Hone Harwira has no power and never will have , he says outrageous things and because we have such juvenile media they lap it up and then we have several on Kiwiblog having a heart attack.
There are some serious racists on this thread men, serious,
The Harawira clan have spent a life time winding people up and we are still falling for it, for a blog which has so many contributors who profess to abhor and ignore the main stream media , alot seem to lap up every bit of crap that they report
Key shoudln;t even comment on this shit either, he’s getting like Helen, thinking we need his opinion on every fucking thing
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
yous all need to chill
Vote:breathe through nose and realise-
hone don’t matter
August 3rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm
When so much money is doled out to ‘Maori’ one way and another, I think people are entitled to ask this very uncomfortable question…
In view of the dilution of bloodlines over the past 170 years, and the fact that many people who call themselves Maori are at least half Pakeha, is Maori actually a race?
Or is it really a religion – like Catholicism?
I don’t mean that question to offend (either Maori or Catholics), even though I’m sure some will choose to take offence for their own political reasons.
But we’re talking about the transfer of billions of dollars of the wealth to a ‘Maori’ tribal elite, and I think we need to know who these people really are.
Pita Sharples, for one, regards it as offensive to apportion Treaty winnings according to blood quantum.
Well he would, wouldn’t he? His dad was born in Bolton.
Scratch other ‘Maori’ leaders like Hone Harawira and Tipene O’Regan and you find John Hadfield and Steve O’Regan.
So what’s going on?
Now I don’t doubt the sincerity or emotional attachment of these people to the Maori culture. Nor do I doubt the sincerity or emotional attachment of those born into a Catholic family to the Catholic faith.
But Catholicism is a belief system, not a race. And so, it seems to me, is Maori.
In 1840, a treaty was signed between members of two distinct races – British and Maori.
Today, many of the descendants of those British signatories are still 100% British New Zealanders. But none of the descendants of the Maori signatories are 100% Maori. Many are somewhat less than 50% Maori.
Today we are forcefed the notion that New Zealand is a bicultural society. We are, we are told, two peoples.
That’s clearly a politically correct notion. In other words, a lie.
People like me are not two people’s. Like it or lump it, I’m European all the way back.
My wife is Chinese all the way back.
The Somali at the local Mobil station is, I presume, Somali all the way back.
Similarly unicultural are my Indian dairy owner, Dutch builder and Afro-Zimbabwean plumber – though their children may not be.
Only one race of New Zealanders can truly be said to be two people’s, and that’s Maori.
Is that not so?
It seems to me that just as we have practising Catholics, we also have practising Maori. Like Catholics, these Maori are absolutely sincere and emotionally bonded to their spiritual beliefs and customs.
I repeat, their commitment to the culture they choose to practise is not in question. I don’t wish to diminish that in any way.
But the key question is this.
Do a group of people who have voluntarily merged with another group of people, deserve to be paid for wrongs done by the group of their ancestors whose cultural habits they don’t practise to the group of their ancestors whose cultural habits they do practise?
I’d have thought not.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Or if they do (deserve compensation) they should receive it in proportion to the degree to which they are actually Maori.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I like this post by Liberty Scott
Vote:“To treat the rather stupid policy idea of eliminating the choice of criminal gang members to wear their patches as akin to these is an insult to the victims of those horrors, and a despicable attempt to shock and invite Maori to think of themselves as being subject to the same dehumanisation and hatred that characterised Nazi Germany. You would have to be insane or an evil manipulative racist to claim that this is what many New Zealanders think of Maori. It is despicable beyond words.
It is what characterises far too much of what the Maori Party is about – it is about inciting Maori to vote for it, on the basis that only the Maori Party can protect Maori from the racism of the “mainstream”. It is about painting Maori as victims, not simply a group that, on average, performs worse at school, has a higher proportion of criminals, and maintains lifestyles that shorten their lives, but a group that others think “should be eliminated” and have long thought that. This is why the word “racist” is thrown about, and also explains the empathy some in the Maori Party have for Robert Mugabe – who makes exactly the same claims, when he demonstrably is doing exactly what he claims the Opposition is about. Mugabe is murdering black Zimbabweans – except he doesn’t do it by race, he does it by political affiliation – much like his comrades in North Korea, who have trained many of his goons.”
http://www.solopassion.com/node/4574
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Tariana Turia on how to become tangatawhenua:
SIMON
Of course speaking of Labour, Trevor Mallard made a speech that he sees himself as an indigenous person too, what do you make of that?
TARIANA
Well for me indigeneity is about original peoples, it’s about native people, it’s about aboriginal people.
SIMON
At what point do you become native, become aboriginal?
TARIANA
Well I think that, and just not so long ago, somebody proposed the idea that other New Zealanders who were born here became native as of right because they were born here. I don’t have any difficulty with that, that people who are born here who have lived here for generations become native because they have been born out of this place.
SIMON
So you can accept that Pakeha can become tangatawhenua, is it about an attitude?
TARIANA
I think it is about an attitude, I mean in the end our people – I think that part of our problem is that when we look at this country there’s absolutely no respect for Maori people as tangatawhenua as first peoples of the land, and back at home you know we see ourselves, when I’m talking about my hapu, we see ourselves as manawhenua, it’s probably a word that used more than any other word and we call ourselves tangatawhenua when we’re talking about ourselves as collective people, but certainly I have no difficulty in Pakeha people claiming to be natives saying that they are New Zealanders, we’ve never talked against that, and the interesting thing for me is that again in the House yesterday I heard John Tamahere describing, saying that we don’t have Maori babies any more, we have Kiwi babies, and I thought well soon we’ll have the Aussies saying that they have Kangaroos, and you know I mean to me it just seems silly that identity has become an issue of conflict. Identity is to be celebrated, that’s what the Treaty was about, it was about our tupuna, Pakeha tupuna, having an agreement that they would live together creating nations that were united not divided, and I think the tragedy is we see the Treaty today, it’s always held up as a document that’s about division, that was never ever I believe the dream of our ancestors, it’s never been the dream of the people who I belong to, and it’s not the dream that we want for this country, we have to move forward united. Unity of purpose is the word.
http://lossenelin.livejournal.com/99938.htm
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so we can be tangatawhenua but not manawhenua and will always be living where members of the iwi/ local hapu are manawhenua.
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So how does one become manawhenua:
TARIANA
Well all of us, the basis of Maori society is whanau, and whanau is your identity your whakapapa links back to the essence of who you are and whanaungatanga is those peoples who whakapapa back to the same ancestor that you do. Now some of us have got a number of ancestors, today particularly where we’ve intermarried into other tribes so that whanaungatanga is quite extensive, it can link not only back into your own Hapu at home but in fact links you – I mean for myself personally I’m of Ngati Apa descent, Nga Rauru descent, Whanganui decent and Tuwharetoa, and my whanaungatanga to those other tribes even though primarily my strongest relationship are Ngati Apa Whanganui and Nga Rauru, but my whakapapa ties back into Tuwharetoa are extremely important to me, extremely important. [she doesn't mention dear old Dad> tangata yankie-doodle dandy]
and what does Maori sovereignty mean:
What does it mean to be self-determining? To have sovereignty is to have permanence. To survive, and to thrive.
What we have seen in Aotearoa has been the systematic removal of the foundations of our nationhood as tangata whenua.
The reconciliation of kawanatanga, as provided for in Article one of the Treaty, with rangatiratanga, as guaranteed in Article two, has not been honoured.
The authority between government andthe unqualified exercise of chieftainship over our lands, our villages, our heritage, has been continually distorted beyond any points of meaningful dialogue, beyond any meaning of an actual bi-cultural partnership – which necessarily presupposes the continued constitutional existence of two cultures rather than one. [and Pakeha under the treaty must uphold Maori culture which says they are manawhenua on their turf and we are tauiwi (foreigner). The upside is the Maori are always the perfect host to their pakeha guests...]
And yet the maintenance of the foundations laid for us by our ancestors, is still as relevant in 2008 as it was in 1840.
It has oft been said that our tupuna, would have never ceded the sovereign authority of our people.
No matter how powerful, how prestigious a Maori leader was, they would never think to cede the sovereignty of their people. They were, indeed, as we are today, entrusted to care for the ongoing authority for their descendants.
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So what does this mean in an every day sense?
I will not presume to answer that question for whanau, hapu and iwi throughout Aotearoa – but I have committed to work towards understanding how we can achieve this – as Ngati Apa, Nga Rauru, Tuwharetoa, Whanganui.
Last July, our kuia Lillian Ruihi Manawaroa TeAweawe; and our kaumatua Robert Hina and Arikihanara Mare Mare, and my nephew Adrian Rurawhe, signed an Agreement in Principle with the Crown at Tini Waitara Marae in Turakina.
None of us are under any illusion that the settlement of historical claims is the solution for self-determination.
There was never any expectation that settlement would bring about a sense of justice served.
We saw the opportunity to restore our whenua stretching from Motukaraka south to Omarupapako and inland to the upper Rangitikei as an opportunity for our people to grow from the land from which we belong, to develop out of the whakapapa of our place.
It was a day in which the people of the Rangitikei, Turakina, Whangaehu and Mangawhero Rivers were able to plan for our future, to enable Ngati Apa nation to shape our own economic, social, cultural and political destiny.
But our nationhood resides not in Crown constructs, or legal documents, but within the philosophical framework from which we have been born.
The Maori Party recognises a set of kaupapa – values – including manaakitanga, wairuatanga, kotahitanga, mana tupuna, mana whenua, te reo, kaitiakitanga, rangatiratanga and whanaungatanga.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00077.htm
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 10:33 pm
just to reiterate tino rangitiratanga means to thrive and survive as a Maori society with a Maori traditional culture and beliefs which means putting people with “mana wheunua over those with out (“tauiwi”- foriegner) and it also requires a geographical location where the chieftainship of the manawheua is recognised (ie “who is the big cheese? m—- w—- are the big chees(es)).
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August 3rd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Are Ngai Tahu Pakeha? Is it ok to date Irish Republicans? What is an acceptable colour for sex toys? He needs to release some kind of guidebook outlining, his struggle.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
I’m still struggling to find what;s so racist with Hone’s comments. He was only expressing his views. I’m sure there are countless Pakeha who would not want their daughter to bring home some guy called Wiremu.
At least Hone has the guts to say what most people say behind closed doors.
If a white person doesn’t want their child dating a Maori or Islander then so be it and vice versa.
I can completely understand why a Maori, Islander, Chinese or African family woul not want their child to marry a Pakeha. Most Pakeha whether they are of socio-economic class A or class Z(bottom) think they are superior to non-Pakeha andso can’t understand why some non-Pakeha actually think it’s a step down to marry/date Pakeha.
The problem with most pakehas is that they think they are doing a non-Pakeha a favour when they date/marry a non-Pakeha.
As a white person who has lved in many countriesas an expat I have seen this happen so many times. Most non-Pakeha peoples have a very rich culture which some of my white colleagues disparage simply because the culture promotes things like respect and other things that to Pkeha seem old, traditional and boring so why bring someone into your family who will never take your culture/views seriously(as long as they are lgegal and not harming anyone)?
Michael Laws talks shyte every single day. Calls peple brown turds, ferral underclass etc. I don’yt hear anyone calling him racist. Its okay for a Pakeha to say shyte about brown people but its racist for Hone to speak up?
Good on you Hone. The truth hurts to thos wh don’t like it.
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August 3rd, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Thanks hj. This is what I mean.
Tariana Turia pretends she is Maori when her father was American.
Just as Pita (Peter) Sharples’ father was English.
She deliberately leaves out 50% of the truth when she says, “I’m of Ngati Apa descent, Nga Rauru descent, Whanganui decent and Tuwharetoa, and my whanaungatanga to those other tribes even though primarily my strongest relationship are Ngati Apa Whanganui and Nga Rauru, but my whakapapa ties back into Tuwharetoa are extremely important to me, extremely important.”
Is her 50% American ancestry is so extremely unimportant that it doesn’t warrant a mention?
Or is there a reason why she chooses to play up the 50% of her that’s Maori (that’s assuming both of her mother’s parents were full-blooded Maori – less than 50% if they weren’t).
Now I don’t know Tariana’s story. Perhaps she was a war baby and her father disowned her, I don’t know.
But when we’re talking about being compensated for wrongs done to one’s racial group, surely her European 50% is as relevant as her Maori percentage?
I don’t know much about genetics, but I presume a child picks up the skin colour of the darker skinned parent, hence why most half-Maori look Maori rather than their lighter-skinned other half.
But when half-Maori trade on that skin colour and pretend their other half doesn’t exist, you have to ask why.
If the answer is that they ‘feel Maori’, then that rather supports my earlier theory that Maori is a religion that can be chosen, not a race that can be proven.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:18 pm
This is Catherine Delahunties answer to who is Maori. I have no quarrel with it but I do in so far as it allows you to calin post coloncleansing stress dissorder.
Vote:Self determination
Last issue a letter commenting on “Self determination” under Te Tiriti o Waitangi suggested we are too small a country to address issues of colonisation and we should “forget” about them. The thesis was that few Maori are “pure bred” anyway. My tangata whenua “part Pakeha” mates find this concept quite amusing as they cannot find any pure Pakeha, English, Scots or Irish people
either. The concept of “race” is inherently “racist”. Part of self determination is a human right to define your own cultural identity. And collective self determination has already been exercised by the hapu of Tuhoe and others whether the rest of us understand it or not. This is not athreat to anyone.
We may be a small country but we can lead the world if we have the courage to face our issues and embrace the opportunity Te Tiriti offers us to make peace between peoples. The economic marginalisation of tangata whenua in my home town is a heartbreaking example of a failed system privileging one culture.
I am glad the Green Party constitution upholds Te Tiriti. Let’s keep talking about how we can make it real.
Catherine Delahunty, Turanga nui a
Kiwa (Gisborne)
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Michael King:
Vote:In the new edition of Being Pakeha, I go on to say that, as another indication of how far Pakeha culture has become indigenous, it is only right to see the macrocarpa and the wooden church as being as much emblematic of the New Zealand landscape and human occupation of it, as the meeting house and the cabbage tree.
http://sof.org.nz/origins.htm
August 3rd, 2010 at 11:23 pm
angie stone (53) Says:
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
I’m still struggling to find what;s so racist with Hone’s comments. He was only expressing his views. I’m sure there are countless Pakeha who would not want their daughter to bring home some guy called Wiremu.
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August 3rd, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Evolution demands spreading outside of ones group, otherwise there can be problems. Just as debating out of the same website, or worse, the same IP address leads to retardation.
Vote:August 3rd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
“Most Pakeha whether they are of socio-economic class A or class Z(bottom) think they are superior to non-Pakeha andso can’t understand why some non-Pakeha actually think it’s a step down to marry/date Pakeha.”
The fact is, angie, most of the racism now comes from the Maori side.
There’s no question that our British forefathers were viciously racist in the past towards Maori, Chinese and other races. Their sense of racial superiority was mindbogglingly arrogant and cruel by today’s standards, fed no doubt by their actual technological superiority.
But to tar modern European New Zealanders with the same brush is like saying that today’s Maori are cannibals. Times have changed. Tolerance has become the norm.
Race is such a sensitive issue that people have become afraid to tell the truth when it reflects unfavourably on Maori. Lefties in particular would rather ignore a problem or flat-out lie than run the risk of being called racist.
There’s a very uncomfortable racial truth in New Zealand that relates to the killing of babies. Now we can pretend for the sake of a quiet life that all races are equally guilty of bashing their babies to death. Or we can call it what it is: an overwhelmingly Maori problem.
Michael Laws takes the harder, more honest option. That’s not a racial slur, it’s a racial truth. A very sad one.
If Michael Laws talks about a feral underclass, it’s because it exists. Again, we all wish it didn’t.
As for the “countless Pakeha not wanting their daughter to bring home a guy named Wiremu,” I had to laugh because my cousin’s daughter has done just that. They’re in a loving relationship and none of the family has any problem with it.
Oh, there may be little cultural things to get used to, as there were for my Taiwanese wife and me when we married, but it all makes for a more interesting life.
But to know that Hone Harawira is prejudiced against me because I’m not Maori does not exactly make me want to trust his party’s motives. To hear Tariana disown by omission the 50% or more of her that’s Pakeha just reinforces that feeling.
Vote:August 4th, 2010 at 2:32 am
I have seen an apparently similar attitude from my wife’s father and other family members. No way their daughters would be marrying a caucasian. Didn’t attend our wedding. Didn’t want anyone to attend our wedding.
In my case it was nothing about racism and everything about fierce traditionalism and also, I suspect, fear. Fear of meeting someone who shares nothing in common with them. I could understand that. They’re just regular people who rarely leave their own town, and never beyond the country borders.fter cts air miles. Maybe even can spell espresso.
So with his latest drivel we can tell he is either just a pretender; (a simple country dumbarse), or a professional racist idiot.
In my case there was no die-hard racism. Eventually (6 years trial I guess), after figuring that I was more like them than they suspected, I was more than welcome. Super welcome even. Harawira’s clearly not that rational.
Vote:August 4th, 2010 at 6:58 am
It is to a large degree simply how you “see” it in your head. I don’t disown my ancestry, I acknowledge that I have ancestors that came from England and Wales – and back beyond that it looks like Scottish and German as well, and almost certainly some Viking (that’s very common) – but I just feel like a New Zealander, a Kiwi. I know I’m different culturally to many other Kiwis, but that doesn’t make me feel any less a Kiwi. I’m aware that part of my Kiwiness comes from various European and Maori influences and probably others, but it all mixes down to a single identity.
I agree with John, how one views their culturalness is a choice.
Vote:August 4th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Spoiled little right-wing rich white girls love brown guys (particularly the ones that are into hip-hop) lol. Pisses their dads right off. lol
heh…dont i know it
..what planet are you on pal…whats that got to do with you lot killing ya kids every day ?!? Bad form…sort ya race out.
soon as your lot sort out locking yours up in basements and fathering more kids to them…ewwww
but anyway, i’m sick of saying it but here we go again.
ITS NOT ABOUT RACE ITS ABOUT CULTURE
Sure jump to the conclusion that Hone was expressing an uncomfortability about race but you got it all wrong. Pasifikans inclusive of Maori aren’t a race.
look, i couldn’t give a shit what colour date my daughters bring home but if they’re some backasswards tribal looking guinea dude wearing a bit of leaf and nothing else, who cant speak english and farts a lot cos thats how they role back in the jungle, then sure i’m gonna feel a bit uncomfortable
and how about what that eatarse Tau Henare said about not giving a shit about race as long as they had money…like what the fuck ?
so he’d feel comfortable if his teenage daughter brought Gerry Brownlee or Parekura Horomia home for a date. Oh hell no, some shit is just so many ways of wrong !!!
Vote:August 4th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
soon as your lot sort out locking yours up in basements and fathering more kids to them…ewwww
Longest bow Ive seen drawn on this blog EVER!
Vote:August 4th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Pollywog Says:
Vote:ITS NOT ABOUT RACE ITS ABOUT CULTURE
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No, it’s definitely about being a hater and wrecker.
August 4th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
“ITS NOT ABOUT RACE ITS ABOUT CULTURE” – great, I have no Maori blood in me but I love the culture. I’d be happy to adopt the Maori culture as my own. Is there a certification process? How do I prove I’m Maori when applying for grants?
Vote:August 4th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
It’s not even about culture, it’s about money.
That’s the only reason I’m wading into the race thing at all.
Not because I care about racial purity. Because I’m concerned that a colossal fraud is being perpetrated on all New Zealanders by a few who have become masters of misrepresenting their ethnicity for financial gain.
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