Who needs US$500m – NZ doesn’t

October 11th, 2010 at 6:30 pm by David Farrar

Michael Field at Stuff reports:

Sir Peter Jackson’s is set to be the most expensive film made, Hollywood sources reported this weekend.

The Daily Telegraph in London said The Hobbit will cost US$500 million (NZ$663m) to produce.

This would make it about $200m more expensive than the third part of the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.

It would also mean The Hobbit’s final price-tag would be approaching twice that of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which cost $281 million, the Telegraph reported.

Almost two thirds of a billion dollars – much of which would be spent in New Zealand. That would provide a lot of jobs for a lot of people.

But hey why not let a tiny group with just 87 members drive it off shore. Solidarity is more important than jobs – right. $5,000 a week is just slave labour and can not be tolerated.

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47 Responses to “Who needs US$500m – NZ doesn’t”

  1. Monty (947 comments) says:

    Unions are a bunch of pricks holding a country to ransom. Spineless Goof will stand by and say nothing.

    Blind ideology.

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  2. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Yes, let us all bow before tha almighty dollar, nothing else matters, as long as there is a buck in it, eh?

    How much will we the taxpayer see of that money, and how much will we the taxpayer be expected to subsidise Jackson et al with various tax breaks and grants?

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  3. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    “Spineless Goof will stand by and say nothing.”
    So will Neville Key.

    “How much will we the taxpayer see of that money…”
    More than you can imagine. Think also of the employment generated, people who otherwise would be receiving the dole.
    Do we need more beneficiaries? No, I don’t think so.

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  4. Deep Throat (28 comments) says:

    Jack have you been lobotomised ?Or have you just taken lessons on how to make retarded comments on the net ?

    It is money coming into the country paying for staff and production most of which will be purchased locally. Have you heard of GST how about PAYE ? You may have heard of the first but judging by your level of retardation it’s unlikely you’ve ever come across the second.

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  5. noodle (151 comments) says:

    Christ, I hope no -one finds a racial angle in any of this. If they do, we are stuffed.

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  6. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    Do Hobbits come Indian style?

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  7. emmess (1,333 comments) says:

    >>Yes, let us all bow before tha almighty dollar, nothing else matters, as long as there is a buck in it, eh?

    Oh good one, are you trying to tell me that fucking greedy unions don’t care about money?

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  8. Stuart Mackey (337 comments) says:

    Why does Jackson have to employ union members? Is he being forced to do so?
    This whole saga sounds like a black mail job; Make your productions a closed union shop…… or else.

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  9. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    What a dumb idea! Earning money from work and enterprise,or from farming,mining or oil exploitation,how ridiculous. We can live off welfare transfer payments and overseas borrowing,eh bro,and live sustainably on locally grown veges and wind power as long as some one else grows the veges that is.

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  10. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Yes, let us all bow before tha almighty dollar, nothing else matters, as long as there is a buck in it, eh?

    So how do you pay for the food you eat? The car you drive? And the roof over your head?

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  11. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    Transpower’s huge North Island grid upgrade has been threatened by strike action after talks broke down over a big pay gap between New Zealand and Australian workers on the project.

    The Engineering Manufacturing and Printing Union issued a strike notice over the weekend warning of strike action from October 26 by about 40 workers employed by contractor United Group.

    United is responsible for building the overhead transmission part of the $824 million, 186km line upgrade between Whakamaru, north of Taupo, to South Auckland.

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  12. big bruv (12,352 comments) says:

    Take the entire thing to Eastern Europe Sir Peter, I so want to witness the luvvies crying into their Chardonnay as they piss and moan about being unemployed.

    Take it to a part of the world where the people want to work, take it to a part of the world that appreciates an opportunity.

    Oh…and if you need another reason……the chicks of Eastern Europe are far hotter than ours.

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  13. Rex Widerstrom (5,125 comments) says:

    MyNameIsJack asks:

    How much will we the taxpayer see of that money

    Why should they see any, unless the government invests in the film? (note to the idiots in Cabinet: I’m not suggesting that as an idea). If you mean the government, it’ll gouge far too much from anybody who turns in an honest day’s work, as usual, as well as from the various companies employing them if they should be so bold as to make a profit. And off the fuel they use to transport stuff around. And off every light bulb, biro, clipboard and other equipment used by the crew. And off every bite of food they take…

    I used to part own a business which handled security for film and television sets (and suddenly found we had a side business hiring out our bigger, uglier looking employees as various types of monsters :-D ) We were just one of the many minnows who made our living off the back of film and TV production in this country. There were freelance location managers, costume people, vehicle hirers and drivers, caterers and a host of others. Then there was the crew itself, which always seemed to consist of vastly more people than was necessary (considering I can shoot a doco with a two person crew if I have to). In other words, a lot of people, besides just the actors, whose lives and whose incomes were enriched by these projects.

    The luvvies at the MEAA are fortunate my former business partner (one of our bigger and uglier staff) has passed away or he and a few of his friends might be asking them why actors’ needs eclipse those of the vastly greater numbers of lesser beings who actually make the movie.

    And he wouldn’t be deterred by an “actors only” signs on the door of their meetings, either.

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  14. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I wonder if Jack collects the dole or takes a pay cheque. Being the good little socialist he is and given his disdain of the “almighty dollar” and his deep concern for taxpayers I would hope he returns all of his wealth back to the government. But I suspect like all good socialists his words are hollow and he suffers from green eyed disease.

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  15. Repton (769 comments) says:

    Does the union thing even matter? As I understand it, the Czech Republic (and a few other places) are offering a 20% tax rebate on local spend on big productions. We offer 15%. With those numbers, and this amount of money, surely everything else is just a sideshow?

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  16. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    The usual DPF misrepresentation – such an endearing trait. And the usual suspects engage autopilot and the rest is history.

    As I understand it, money was never an issue in this dispute and notice how everyone has now pulled their heads in. There is obviously some serious negotiating going on here, so we should just give them the space to sort things out without needless demonisation or mindless ideological garbage.

    I know, I know, this is Kiwiblog…

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  17. RightNow (6,338 comments) says:

    And we have freedom of speech Luc, don’t you enjoy it?

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  18. big bruv (12,352 comments) says:

    Luc

    As per normal you miss the main point.

    Why on earth should Sir Peter Jackson be forced to sit down with a bunch of union low life?

    He is offering work, the pay and conditions are more than fair, if the luvvies do not like it then they can go and stack shelves at the local supermarket.

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  19. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    MyBrainOnCrack Yes, let us all bow before tha almighty dollar, nothing else matters, as long as there is a buck in it, eh?

    Well done for realising the union’s blind greed is the cause of this. Unusually perceptive of you.

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  20. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    $5k a week for a month and appear in a world famous global film.
    I’m your man Sir Peter, sod the unions just let me do the business.
    sod the aussies too.
    Let s boycott their people workig on our films here until they leave our industry alone.

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  21. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    “As I understand it, money was never an issue in this dispute” … um luc, that’s what the teachers are saying as well

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  22. YesWeDid (1,002 comments) says:

    I understand the Hobbit is to be 2 movies so I don’t see how it can be $200M more than the 3rd Pirates movie, per movie it is less than the 3rd Pirates movie (which cost $300m). Avatar cost $US280 so again per movie it is less than Avatar. Still a hell of a lot of money.

    I wonder how much of cost is the world wide marketing, if that is included then that is money that won’t be spent in NZ and therefore the actual NZ spend would be a lot less that ‘two thirds of a billion’.

    I don’t know where the $5K per week figure that DPF quotes comes from but as NZ film workers have earned the nickname ‘Mexicans with cellphones’ I doubt that many in the NZ film industry will be getting rich off this. I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of people willing to work for very little in the film industry just to get this on their CV but at some stage the industry needs to be mature enough to pay real wages and also not rely on government tax breaks.

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  23. big bruv (12,352 comments) says:

    YesWeDid

    Real wages?

    These over rated NZ luvvies are earning far in excess of the average wage, perhaps if they had any bloody talent they could make it in the real acting world and command mega salaries.

    The reality is that 99.9% of the are crap, the best they can hope for is a bit part in the third rate Shortland Street or that god awful programme about some Westie family.

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  24. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    I find it amusing that those who make the claim that money isn’t important to them are always the ones trying to steal it off others.

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  25. William2 (30 comments) says:

    As Repton comments, the real issue is the level of government subsidy. The actors position is a convenient smokescreen. Gordon Campbell’s column in ‘The Wellingtonian’ is worth a read.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/4203447/Dispute-obscures-real-Hobbit-problem

    excerpts:

    ” It has been seen as a battle between the trade unions and film producers over collective bargaining rights, wages and conditions – with even the Crown Law Office weighing in about the current industrial framework that governs the local film industry.
    To the Government’s relief, precious little attention was being paid last week to the film production incentives that New Zealand offers, and whether these remain competitive with what other countries are currently offering to Hollywood studios. ”

    and

    “Ironically, the government was warned recently about the importance of film incentives to the Hollywood executives now able to pick and choose where to base their projects – and the warning came from Sir Peter Jackson himself. ”

    Saturday’s Dompost had an interesting little story about how District 9 came to be made. Neill Blomkamp, the director, was here to direct a movie version of Halo. That film fell over. One of the reasons was a dispute over how much Peter Jackson, as executive producer, would get. If that’s correct, it’s interesting that creating work in the local industry was a lower priority for him than his producers fee!

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  26. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey, Deep Throat,
    6.50
    You find these huge brains like, MNIJ off , and Luc Hansen and some of their mates on this site
    from time to time. The joke is, when they are confronted with an argument they cant counter,
    they dissapear onto another thread and crop up again tomorrow with even more specious arguments.
    The other night they were here , dying in the ditch in favour of global warming.
    When prof. Hal Lewis, Telegraph.co.uk Oct 10. was mentioned they became missing in action.

    Usually they will post a missquoted version of the point you have made then solicit comments on that.

    Its actually quite funny.

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  27. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    YesWeDid,

    “I don’t know where the $5K per week figure that DPF quotes comes from but as NZ film workers have earned the nickname ‘Mexicans with cellphones’ I doubt that many in the NZ film industry will be getting rich off this.

    You disingenuous little twat! You know that that statement was more racist than anything – ‘they’re brown but they can afford cellphones’ is the only interpretation from that message from the goldstein-like agent back to the US movie moguls.

    You have no scruples that you would try to turn a purely racist comment into a socio-economic one.$5k a week for being bloody useless – they should be thanking their lucky stars

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  28. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    bereal,

    Don’t worry. They’ll be back with the hyperlinks just as soon as they think everyone has forgotten

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  29. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    @DPF: Where are the membership figures found? I have been wondering how large they are.

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  30. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i must say i’ve not noticed this genius, YesWeDid , before but you can see what i mean.
    You gotta ask, what is the point he/she is trying to make.
    Maybe its, lets kill New Zealands film industry. That will show them. workers of the world unite.
    If we kill the work, well, we can sleep easy knowing we always have the high ground.
    WE’ll have that warm feeling as you starve. Knowing we were right
    Our Government payed jobs will be the last to go so we will always have the last laugh.

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  31. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    From Big Bruv:

    Why on earth should Sir Peter Jackson be forced to sit down with a bunch of union low life?,/blockquote>

    Indeed, he just hand out the cloth caps.

    From Jaba:

    “As I understand it, money was never an issue in this dispute” … um luc, that’s what the teachers are saying as well

    You have been taking too much notice of the DPF’s style – but you don’t come here for neutrality from a supporter and servant of National, I guess. The pay claim is part of a longstanding agreement that the government has breached, and the teachers are determined to have that agreement honoured. Part of the problem with public discussion of this dispute is the reluctance of both of the parties involved to actually inform us of the details of the rest of the claims and counterclaims. It just gets drip fed.

    From bereal (possibly the most contradictory pseudonym)

    The other night they were here , dying in the ditch in favour of global warming.
    When prof. Hal Lewis, Telegraph.co.uk Oct 10. was mentioned they became missing in action.

    When was that? We do have lives outside of Kiwiblog: kids to put to bed, etc. But it does get tiresome chasing down all the new arguments the deniers put up as they though they are the new Galileo.

    Like I said the other night: observed facts – rising temperatures, melting glaciers, northward migration of species etc etc; theory to explain the observed facts – anthropogenic global warming. People who deny the facts are just plain silly. Those who propose a different theory need to put forward a thesis as has been done with AGW, which is so widely accepted that it’s unlikely to be overturned.

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  32. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Luc- you’re a liar. You’re a fraud. You’re a phony and you’ve been well enough exposed as all of these. Please fuck off and spare us the sanctimonious drivel. You’re no longer fooling any one.

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  33. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Just had a glance at the Hal Lewis reference. This is his main point:

    3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity.

    Well, numerous enquiries have ascertained that no scientific fraud was involved. He also rants about some kind of money go round, as if we shouldn’t provide funds to resolve the uncertainties in the scientific understanding of climate change. It’s all just the usual conspiracy theory, petty jealousies stuff, with no science at all. I wonder who his new employer will be – Big Oil?

    redbaiter: just for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUn2c_PKho (Your heroine, Christine O’Donnell’s new ad)

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  34. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Luc, I’ve got as much interest in your no doubt mindless fucking links as watching paint dry. What’s the bet its the SNL attempt at satire? Am I right? Don’t answer. I’ll be right. You lame smug empty Progressives are as predictable as the fucking sunrise. Like lemmings and shoal fish.

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  35. oob (194 comments) says:

    Indeed.

    Labour and the Greens have conspired with a foreign organisation to commit economic sabotage that will cost New Zealand billions.

    This is treason.

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  36. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Normally i wouldn’t waste my time responding to a nudist like luc.
    The post above is so typical it illustrates the point admirably
    “like I said the other night:observed facts, etc etc etc”
    “people who deny the facts are just plain silly.”
    Do i need to make the point again.
    Have you got any rebuttal to Prof Lewis ?
    i thought not.
    Luc. you have been found out. It must gut you.
    On another level.
    Do you take your daughter with you to the nudist club ?
    How old is she ?

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  37. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Luc,

    He was a highly respected scientist until he opposed the prevailing (fraud) wisdom. Amazing how one goes from hero to zero simply by disagreeing with the lemming hordes.

    Also, he raised a number of points – #3 was not intended as the ‘main’ point as far as he was concerned – it certainly wasn’t the only one.

    You warmists are merely the modern day version of the Catholic Church & it’s Inquisition. You cannot tolerate the merest hint of dissent and seek to destroy the man instead of debate the argument. Whether he is right or wong is no longer the point – your refusal to entertain debate on a contrary view speaks volumes for you and your fellow warmists.

    You have decried the evils of the Cristian churches in your other comments Luc. Why do you persist in emulating them when it comes to the global warming argument?

    [For the record - by 'warmists' I refer to AGW, not whether or not there has been a small, but recordable increase in temperatures over the past 100 years or so]

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  38. GPT1 (2,042 comments) says:

    The actors are such a tiny amount of making movies. Perhaps go and ask the Weta production people who have been laid off because of delays to this movie what they think? Or the grips (whatever the hell they are) and others who could be working on this film?

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  39. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Luc re my effort at 10.25
    please ignore the last couple of lines, i apologise.
    that was a bit crook.

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  40. wat dabney (3,455 comments) says:

    Luc,
    numerous enquiries have ascertained that no scientific fraud was involved.

    Allow me to quote in response to the claim by Mann that his practices have been investigated and exonerated:

    “Forgive my bluntness, but that is absolute hogwash. Hand-picked groups of your myopic friends have gotten together, consulted the auguries, studiously looked away, and declared you and Phil and Gene and the rest to be pure as the driven snow. But not one of the “thorough investigations” has spoken to one single person other than you and your friends and supporters. How thorough is a “thorough investigation” that only interviews your friends? “Exonerated”? Don’t make me laugh. You haven’t even been investigated, much less exonerated.”

    Extract from http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/11/an-open-letter-to-dr-michael-mann/

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  41. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    How did the AGW deniers (aka conspiracy theory nutjobs) get onto a thread about union stand over tactics ? Accept itguys, you are going to have to sell the SUV and get Prius.

    Shouldn’t we tell this Australian union to fuck off?

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  42. Pita (356 comments) says:

    “How much will we the taxpayer see of that money” …its called the “velocity of money” Jack… the taxpayer will see a lot of it as each dollar gets spent and taxed again and again and again.

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  43. honey badger (37 comments) says:

    MyNameisJack you are being a dickhead. My family’s entire income currently comes from the Hobbit. If it goes away because of a tiny selfish minority bubble of actors, then we are stuffed. We use the income to pay our rent and feed ourselves. We are among the real workers on the production who build stuff, work with our hands, craft things, administrate & design what the actors will wear, oh yeah and then we put on velvet gloves and even dress the actors in the stuff we have created and delicately slather make up on their precious faces. We give them their call sheets, pick them up in the morning, decorate their winnebagos, feed them, and organise their pay. But this huge job could easily slip overseas because of their posturing rubbish and then we will be on the dole while we are forced to re-invent ourselves and work in another industry, god knows how or where. Even the actors I know are pissed off about this small group holding the film to ransom. All the workers have been waiting two years to get started on this and if it slips away again, then we will really feel the pinch.
    If you think this is not real enough then you don’t know the meaning of money, income, or being a worker.

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  44. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    “How much will we the taxpayer see of that money”. How about we ask how much we will see if the film isn’t made here?

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  45. tvb (3,939 comments) says:

    Having 87 trade union people cancel a $500m investment is sheer poppycock.

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  46. honey badger (37 comments) says:

    tvb it could happen. the last thing the studio needs is expensive and time wasting “industrial unrest” mid-production and that is what is being threatened. It could derail the NZ shoot so very easily. It adds scary variables to the cost and the scheduling that they could do without quite frankly. And with the big unions such as SAG and MEAA behind the NZ minority union actor posturing, it carries some clout in their world. Much easier to go overseas where there are fewer worker rights. UNLESS Peter Jackson insists on NZ at some point which is a risky move on his part and he doesn’t owe the stupid actors such loyalty – the studios have been more respectful to him than they have.

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  47. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    “Labour and the Greens have conspired with a foreign organisation to commit economic sabotage that will cost New Zealand billions.

    This is treason.”

    Umm Liarbour took away the treason laws in 89.

    You have just understood?

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