ECE spending

February 1st, 2011 at 8:51 am by David Farrar

NZPA report:

Labour is pledging to restore $400 million the Government has cut from (ECE)

You really do have to wonder what sort of fiscal fairyland Labour are living in.

It gets even worse when you realise that the so called cuts, are in fact due to their miscalculation of costs. To quote the Minister:

Education Minister Anne Tolley says the Government’s investment in early childhood education (ECE) in the coming year will be $100 million above the original Budget 2010 allocation, bringing the total spend to $1.4 billion.

“This is the most ever spent by any Government on early childhood education, reflecting the importance we place on the future of our young children,” says Mrs Tolley.

$1.4b on ECE is not an insignificant amount of money.

“We are now at the stage where the taxpayer is subsidising ECE centres at an average of $7600 per child per year.

“This compares to an average of $5528 for a primary school student, and $6733 for a student at secondary school.

I understand it is possible for some children to cost the taxpayer almost $60,000 in ECE costs befiore they reach primary school.

“It makes no sense that ECE funding has trebled over the last five years, while the number of children starting school with some form of ECE has increased by only around one per cent.

Remember that figure – funding has trebled in five years. We are borrowing $300 million a week and Labour still says it is not enough and we must spend an extra $400 million. Goffynomics will lead to a credit downgrade very quickly.

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35 Responses to “ECE spending”

  1. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    Cue the leftwingers catch phrase No 7 ……ready, lights, music………..”Will no one think of the children”.

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  2. Manolo (14,166 comments) says:

    Crossposted from today’s GD. Apologies for the duplication.

    The downside of years of Labour’s free-for-all policies. Nowadays, the population feel entitled to it, without thinking they are already paying for it, and complain when these “benefits” are withdrawn.

    The Government is refusing to rule out further cuts to early childhood education as reductions affecting more than 2200 centres kick in today.

    The Government announced at last year’s Budget it would eliminate the top rate of funding to early childhood centres.

    Later in the year, Education Minister Anne Tolley announced an ECE taskforce would review the effectiveness of spending in the sector and propose new ideas.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4601851/Further-early-childhood-education-cuts-possible

    Meanwhile, Goff, an adherent of vodoo-economics promises to restore the entitlement!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10703287

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  3. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    It’s ok, Goff has quoted a few numbers that will pay for some of their increased spending, but he also says the rest will be paid – with economic growth. That’ll cover it.

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  4. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    I understand tolley’s hinted at more ECE cuts in May DPF? – the Nats are piling on the vote winners with middle NZ it would seem???

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  5. Bevan (3,232 comments) says:

    I understand tolley’s hinted at more ECE cuts in May DPF?

    I understand an Antelope is nosing through your mailbox, stealing all your letters.

    Makes about as much sense as your slander….

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  6. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    Phil Goffs anal cavity must be huge because he keeps pulling massive ammounts of cash out of it.

    BTW why am I paying for the care of children of people who can’t afford to raise them and were too stupid to operate a condom?

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  7. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    Bev – read today’s herald. It says: “further ECE cuts possible – Tolley” – “wait til May budget”

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  8. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    “people who can’t afford to raise them and were too stupid to operate a condom?” Quite right, and tangentially why would you put folic acid in bread? Putting it in Vodka Cruisers would be far more likely to reach the target demographic.

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  9. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    But DPF, investment in early-childhood education in particular is one of the greatest aids of social mobility. NZ already has comparatively low levels of social mobility. This just leads to a fractured society, which gives rise to class-related tensions and subsequently a state that’s akin to a mild type of civil war.

    But i think many on the right are for this. If a state of war exists, there will be violence, and people will demand that their sleazy uncle state protects them from the criminals. That means higher levels of surveillance and police oppression. And so the self-perpetuating cycle of class stratification, social dysfunction and the authoritarian state goes on and on.

    sigh

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  10. lastmanstanding (1,310 comments) says:

    Goof can and will promise the impossible to his supporters because most of them are thick and stupid and dont realise the consequences.

    That why I say again for the 498th time we must have political knowldege tests to ensure only the informed are able to cast their vote.

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  11. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    Magic Bullet – when do you go back to school? First term must be starting soon?

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  12. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    lol dime – you’re the one that jacks off to men firing their guns. I mean, war is kinda gay don’t you think? That’s not to say that there’s anything wrong with being openly queer – it’s just that so many of you chicken-hawks appear to be repressing a queer side. You should let it out. It’s not healthy for you psyche to repress it.

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  13. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    MB – if i were gay, the world world know. hell, id be hitting on people here. my monthly hooker bill would also be way down. maybe i should try it out.

    anyway, are you a teacher?

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  14. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Thankfully primary school is back tomorrow dime. Although I don’t think m bullet is a student, more likely to have the same employer as philu.

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  15. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    lol – so now you guys try out a bit of wild speculation in lieu of an actual argument. I love it.

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  16. Bevan (3,232 comments) says:

    Bev – read today’s herald. It says: “further ECE cuts possible – Tolley” – “wait til May budget”

    Maybe you could post a link to verify your slander?

    nzherald.co.nz so far does not back up your assertion.

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  17. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    says the person who came up with dime must be gay cause of comments he made in another thread…

    there isnt really an argument to be had. DPF said the amount of funding received has trebled in the last 5 years. Labour have their numbers wrong as usual. You praised investment in early-childhood education, which no one disagrees with.. so the argument would be what?!?! labour are wrong and their havent been cuts, but they should give them an extra 400 million anyway?!?!

    so, are you a teacher?

    im an importer :)

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  18. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Bev – I think the word you’re looking for is libel, not slander. Poor wee boy.

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  19. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Dime – you guys are fine with the Nats with taking food from the mouths of babes, and giving it to the rich (silly tax cuts)? Pretty low behavior. Some would call such people scum bags.

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  20. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Bevan, here’s the big story:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/4601851/Further-early-childhood-education-cuts-possible

    The meat of it is this:

    Asked yesterday if she could rule out further cuts in this year’s Budget, she said: “Any budget decisions will be announced on Budget day.”

    Scream louder little lefties, it’s part of the plan.

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  21. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    mag – are you fine with my family not paying an extra $30/week for ECE fees, even though our household income is $200k?

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  22. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    lol – what plan RightNow? NZ police state by 20/20?

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  23. slightlyrighty (2,096 comments) says:

    Bullet.

    How much is interest free student loans costing the taxpayer.

    How close is that to the 400 million “shortfall”

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  24. ben (2,279 comments) says:

    I’d love to know what all that extra money has purchased. I’ll bet good money it is approximately nothing, if similar ineffective increases in health and primary school spending is anything to go by. Health funding doubled between 1999 and 2007, and yet the number of elective operations done managed to decline. More money down a hole.

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  25. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    SR – i don’t really care to be honest. Most tax is paid by those already living in luxury, and we need to invest in education to have a cohesive society with decent levels of social mobility.

    It’s simply trading off a non-essential for an essential. Not a tough decision when you think about it.

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  26. dime (10,212 comments) says:

    “Dime – you guys are fine with the Nats with taking food from the mouths of babes, and giving it to the rich (silly tax cuts)? Pretty low behavior. Some would call such people scum bags.”

    is this just in general? or are you referring to this topic? Cause funding has trebled in the last 5 years… thats not really taking away is it

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  27. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    “NZ police state by 20/20?” – I don’t think Labour will be back in government by then, so no need to worry on that front.

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  28. Bevan (3,232 comments) says:

    Bev – I think the word you’re looking for is libel, not slander. Poor wee boy.

    OMG he’s got me! My arguement must be now null and void!!!! Oh NOES!!!!!111!!!ONE!!!

    Fuck you’re a moron.

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  29. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    I see you’ve proofed the last one for grammar errors Bev. Good work! Gold star for you son.

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  30. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Dime – I’d like to see our social mobility indicators improve first. It’s called evidence-based practice. Also, if you know a cheaper way of facilitating social mobility i’d like to know about it.

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  31. trout (954 comments) says:

    The real issue is that the Labour Govt. increased ECE funding by 30%+ but the increase in ECE numbers was something like 4%. In other words this was another handout (like WFF etc.) that was meant to benefit needy families but was captured by the middle classes. The already subsidized just received a bigger subsidy, and make no mistake, the ECE providers are creaming it .

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  32. Bevan (3,232 comments) says:

    I see you’ve proofed the last one for grammar errors Bev. Good work! Gold star for you son.

    I’m about to lower myself to your level of debate..

    Nah, your mum did.

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  33. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    MB, why the hell would anyone, anywhere attempt “facilitating social mobility”?

    Can’t figure it myself but one thing I do know is that your tried and failed ideas may facilitate social mobility down for the successful people but will do absolutely nothing for the lazy, brainless lower strata of society.

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  34. Falafulu Fisi (2,141 comments) says:

    Magic bullet,

    Since you’re talking lots about mobility, here is a good paper from the domain of Sociophysics & Econophysics for you to read. It may enlighten you on the subject, because I suspect that you’re a sociologist (static analysis) who’s void of knowledge of how dynamical system works in application to social issues (ie, time-evolution of human societies’ properties).

    The Economic Mobility in Money Transfer Models

    The paper above is from the proceedings of Econophysics of Wealth Distribution conference about 5 years ago. There are more recent more recent publications on the topic if you want to dig more deeper.

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  35. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    The funding cuts relate to allowing 20% unqualified ie unskilled teachers in ECE (Disclosure: I have a daughter in ECE)

    International surveys and studies consistently show that the higher the quality of ECE, the more successful kids are later.

    Yet, the same people who support these funding cuts are happy and very willing to abuse teachers for imagined shortcomings, regardless of our high standing internationally, in our secondary school results.

    And the Minister of Education allows Grammar to opt out of the national curriculum, but demonises and threatens primary school staff who, rightly, refuse to institute the Soviet style National Standards, which are not national standards, in fact.

    It’s a funny old world.

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