Will Don be Finance Minister?

April 29th, 2011 at 10:34 am by David Farrar

Claire Trevett and Audrey Young report:

wants to be finance minister, and claims the Party could gain 15 per cent of the vote in this year’s election under his leadership.

“I’d love to be finance minister,” he said last night.

“When I went into Parliament in 2002, that is what I was hoping to be. I wasn’t planning to be National leader. I was planning to be finance minister in a Bill English-led National government.”

Finance Minister is unlike any other portfolio, as it is so central to the Government, and affects every other portfolio. I would think a party would have to poll at least 15% to be able to make a serious bid for that role.

If ACT make it back into Parliament, the role I’d love to see Don Brash take is education, and have him introduce performance pay for teachers, bulk funding for all schools, abolish school zoning and introduce full parental choice of schools. I think such reforms are vital to improving our country’s future prospects.

He indicated he would ask Mr Key to give Mr Hide’s portfolios to another MP, citing as a precedent Mr Hide’s decision to strip Heather Roy of her portfolios because of her coup attempt.

I can’t imagine he is going to ask Hilary Calvert to become a Minister, so this looks like he is seeking Heather Roy to be reinstated as a Minister.

Last night, Mr Key distanced himself from the “extreme” views of Act and said Dr Brash had “virtually no chance” of becoming finance minister or deputy prime minister after the next election.

The Prime Minister said Act was “not likely to be a party of such size that would be commensurate with those portfolios”.

He said Act had always had extreme policies compared with National’s moderate approach and “my view is that nothing has changed here”.

I doubt anyone can point to an economic issue on which Rodney and Don disagree. So the PM is right that ACT’s policies and views are not changing. What has changed is that ACT may now be able to attract greater support.

Don has said he thinks he can attract 15%. John Ansell has gone even further and claims ACT can get 40% and Don will become PM. Either way, this suggests that ACT will not be expecting National to “take it easy” in Epsom. If they poll over 5% they don’t need Epsom (even though it is always useful to have it as backstop). So my guess is that National will campaign actively for both votes in Epsom.

So the first target for ACT led by Don is to make 5% – otherwise they may not be there at all.  But if they get just 5% or 6 MPs, then they will represent 10% of the Government, so their influence would be roughly 10%.

If however Don can lift ACT to 10% then they have 12 MPs, and would roughly be 20% of the Government. So they would have significantly more influence.

Again, the next couple of sets of public polls will be interesting.

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80 Responses to “Will Don be Finance Minister?”

  1. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Will Don be Finance Minister?

    If Act get more party votes than anyone else.

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  2. GPT1 (2,106 comments) says:

    I have always dreamed of a situation where ACT and National were fighting it out with Labour forgotten!

    The coming weeks will be fascinating. Will ACT return to the its roots of being a strong, principled, well researched advocate for centre right policies to the right of National and start to gain significant support or is it a flash in the pan?

    Either way I would be somewhat surprised to see them at 40%!

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  3. Lindsay Addie (1,182 comments) says:

    Before Dr DB gets worked up in a lather bout cabinet posts etc he should first make sure he’s a much better performer in TV debates than he was in 2005.

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  4. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    I doubt very much that Act – led either by Don Brash or Mickey Mouse — and espousing the policies it does, would get 15 percent, let alone 40 percent.

    I think Kiwis instinctively don’t like extremists in their political leaders. Certainly not after the experiences of Labour 1984-90, and then the 1990-93 of the awful twins Jenny and Ruth, who in the end even James Brendan Bolger couldn’t stomach.

    Act, Brash, Banks, Douglas, Prebble … it’s a return to the past.

    I know that Sir Winston Churchill was 65 when he seized the prime ministership of Britain in May 1940. I know that Moses was 80 when he led the Hebrews out of Egypt after 10 years of trying to persuade Pharoah to ‘let my people go’.

    Dr Brash is neither.

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  5. MikeG (416 comments) says:

    it’s rejunvenation!

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  6. wat dabney (3,724 comments) says:

    I think Kiwis instinctively don’t like extremists in their political leaders.

    And by “extremist” you mean someone who opposes racism and seeks to end the government endlessly borrowing billions and billions of dollars.

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  7. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    Maybe he shouldn’t be chicken counting until there’s been some hatching takne place.

    IF he gets Act back in and IF National (Labourlite) have any need for him he can start leverage discussions. Till then its just noise.

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  8. smttc (711 comments) says:

    TripeWryter, what is extremist about National Party founding principles and policies because that is all Brash is advocating? Huh?

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  9. themono (132 comments) says:

    “John Ansell has gone even further and claims ACT can get 40% and Don will become PM”

    This is the problem with extreme partisanship. It’s astonishing what otherwise intelligent people will believe when it comes to “their party”.

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  10. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    Its not a socialist agenda wat, therefore its “extremist”

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  11. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    smttc – policies and ideals from the 1930s may be even less relevant to the 21st century than policies of the 1980s. Goff is widely written off as a last century politician with last century ideas too.

    Get with the modern world.

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  12. Sector 7g (237 comments) says:

    And by “extremist” you mean someone who opposes racism and seeks to end the government endlessly borrowing billions and billions of dollars.

    Hits the nail on the head.
    If you are not a Socialist, you are a Racist and an Extremist. Its 2005 all over, cant wait for the polls.

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  13. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,820 comments) says:

    13.35%

    That’s how much Winston First got in 1996. Got him the position of Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister.

    There’s your benchmark.

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  14. BeaB (2,084 comments) says:

    So David Garrett was hiffed out because he did something silly nearly 30 years ago but this creepy old man who has abandoned two wives and families is meant to be acceptable to us?
    A serial adulterer? No problem if you want to keep your private life private but this old goat wants to be a national leader.
    Worse, he wants to be a legislator which meants regulating how we live our lives.
    I can hold my nose and put up with a lot from our MPs but this is a step too far for me.

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  15. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    BeaB where are you on David Lange commiting audultery as PM?

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  16. smttc (711 comments) says:

    Pete, you just confirmed to me why my instincts that you nothing but a lefty troll are correct.

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  17. Sector 7g (237 comments) says:

    Looks to me like the leftists will be playing the same old cards against Brash this year.
    The headlines will read…”RACIST”…”EXTREME”….”1950s POLICY”….etc.
    The problem with this is that enough people will actually read what he said, his policies, and see that “one law for all and cutting government spending” is anything but “RACIST” and “EXTREME” and ACT will hit 20%.

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  18. somewhatthoughtful (457 comments) says:

    Wow, how out of touch can John Ansell be? 40% ahahahahahaha

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  19. Inventory2 (10,181 comments) says:

    One of the very first tweets I saw after the press conference yesterday was this one:

    greencatherine Catherine Delahunty
    Hollow man recycled to save Act!

    You can rely on the Greens to recycle Nicky Hager’s smears

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  20. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    If ACT make it back into Parliament, the role I’d love to see Don Brash take is education, and have him introduce performance pay for teachers, bulk funding for all schools, abolish school zoning and introduce full parental choice of schools. I think such reforms are vital to improving our country’s future prospects.

    So following from that logic you would love to see Arts Degree majoring in English Literature Bill English continue as Finance Minister? Why would you love for someone who has great economic knowledge to waste that talent and give the role to English? You obviously care more about the current National government staying popular with economically illiterate mum and dad voters than real change for the country’s wellbeing.

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  21. s.russell (1,580 comments) says:

    If Act try to force their policies down National’s throat, they will do a lot of damage to New Zealand – by hastening the day that Labour returns to power, and generating a backlash against the policies they have promoted.

    If Act succeeds in shifting the centre of New Zealand politics a little to the right – getting middle NZ to accept a more economically productive agenda – they will achieve a huge amount for New Zealand.

    I am not sure that Act understands that the latter is the real objective they should be pursuing.

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  22. smttc (711 comments) says:

    I2, Hagar is already doing it. Did you not hear him on Morning Report this morning? The ultimate conspiracy theorist.

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  23. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    Sector 7g you hit the nail on the head.

    Allowing parents to choose where their kids attend primary and secondary school (funding follows the child) is extremist. Of course allowing parents to choose where their kids attend pre-school (funding follows the child) is absolutely fine.

    Private Hospitals – OK. Private Prisons – Extremist.

    Nanny state legislating and regulating every aspect of your life – no problem. Suggesting that the Govt sod off and let people live their own lives and make their own decisions – extremist.

    Promoting Maori separatism purely because their ancestors got here first – completely OK. Suggesting that who cares when your ancestors arrived, let’s have a country where every one is equal and we are all just New Zealanders – extremist, red-necked and racist.

    Banging on that Maori are Tangata Whenua and special so they need special privileges – OK Disagreeing with that view – extremist and racist.

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  24. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    Don is old, wise and arrogant.

    Exactly what the country needs.

    Time to silence the bleeting leftie sheep with a bit of old fashioned dictatorship.

    Shake the country up and by the time the protests hit the streets the medicine will have been injected.

    He even looks a little bit like Muldoon.

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  25. MikeG (416 comments) says:

    “He even looks a little bit like Muldoon.” Well he did try and get into Parliament while Muldoon was PM. Has Brash actually ever won an election?

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  26. John Ansell (874 comments) says:

    Don needs to think bigger. He can be PM. It’s just about belief.

    He simply needs to show his true self, which is a warm human being first and a brilliant public policy specialist second.

    He needs to powerfully sell the truth that we can’t hope to help our poorest people unless we’ve got the money to do it – that only with boring old sound financial management can a country hope to provide excellent modern schools and hospitals.

    He needs to convince voters that his achiever values are absolutely no different from those practised by any aspirational student, worker, athlete or parent worthy of the name.

    He needs to stand up to every lightweight media commentator who tries to trash him as a doddery, far right, flinty-eyed racist. Those themes have only taken root because they have not been properly opposed with the facts.

    I repeat: Don’s devastating secret weapon is The Truth. If he employs this weapon properly, 40%+ is not only possible, but probable.

    Think about it: ‘The public’ is just four million malleable minds. Minds change all the time, and seven months is a helluva long time. (That said, with the right material you could also do it in one month if necessary.)

    Against all advice from the so-called conventionally wise, I think it’s absolutely crucial for Don to aim at the top job.

    Reason: born-to-rule Nats love power far more than they love principles. Some also have principles, and these are the ones Don wants.

    Few have much courage. So the teeming thousands of Nats who are currently disillusioned with Key will first need to see that Brash has a chance of replacing him before they will be prepared to risk their powerlust and cross to his side.

    That’s why I’m taking it upon myself to seed the idea that he should set his sights on the Beehive.

    I am doing so without Don’s approval. He texted me this morning that he disapproves strongly of this arrogant approach. Thus I am putting at risk any future role with him.

    Tough. I’ve had enough of the pussyfooting of New Zealand politicians.

    Think about it, people… How on earth can New Zealand possibly become a prosperous country while Key is PM? How?

    It was never going to happen, it’s not happening, and it won’t happen.

    Because John Key is ‘just a politician’. Don Brash is a leader. He’s got the guts to do the hard things. We saw that at yesterday’s press conference.

    If he was in charge, we could be 100% certain he would focus on the Big Things that need doing to provide the income that can then be redistributed to those in need.

    Not silly ‘Look at me!’ sideshows like cycleways and endless borrowing that will ensure we can never afford those things.

    There’s only one thing you can rely on Key for, and that’s to shit on Don from a great height – the way he did after he became leader, and the way he does with every release of the 2025 Taskforce reports.

    John Key is a coward, and he knows it. He would feel rightly threatened in the presence of a true leader, so he will not give Don any meaningful role in his cabinet.

    Thus Don needs to tell his truths well, convert the convertible, and form his own cabinet.

    Never mind Epsom, stand in Helensville and debate Key’s track record at every meeting. Then I think you’ll find the hero’s halo will disintegrate as quickly as it formed.

    Here endeth my suicide note.

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  27. Atheist1 (174 comments) says:

    ^^Poster above, you’re a nutter!! But enjoying your hilarious fantasies.

    With this doddery, misogynist, arrogant, racist old dinosaur at the helm, ACT are FINALLY toast. It took a while but we finally got there.

    Bye bye Act……

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  28. annie (540 comments) says:

    TripeWryter (514) Says:
    April 29th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I doubt very much that Act – led either by Don Brash or Mickey Mouse — and espousing the policies it does, would get 15 percent, let alone 40 percent.

    I think Kiwis instinctively don’t like extremists in their political leaders. Certainly not after the experiences of Labour 1984-90, and then the 1990-93 of the awful twins Jenny and Ruth, who in the end even James Brendan Bolger couldn’t stomach.

    Act, Brash, Banks, Douglas, Prebble … it’s a return to the past.

    Agree entirely. Ideologues of any stripe frighten the horses, including me. If a National government gives a major portfolio such as finance to Act, they will lose middle ground and the bulk of the electorate with it.

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  29. MikeG (416 comments) says:

    “Don’s devastating secret weapon is The Truth”

    hahahahahahaha – Don didn’t like the truth last time he was in Parliament. Why did he resign? Why did he not admit to knowing about the Exclusive Brethren campaign?

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  30. mattyroo (1,012 comments) says:

    John Ansell said:

    That said, with the right material you could also do it in one month if necessary.

    I look forward to seeing your material in support of Brash/ACT John. If the Iwi/Kiwi billboards are anything to go by, they will be excellent. Keep them simple, definitive and most importantly brutally honest.

    I’ve donated, so looking forward to seeing the results!

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  31. simonway (375 comments) says:

    John Ansell has gone even further and claims ACT can get 40% and Don will become PM.

    I want some of what John Ansell’s smoking.

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  32. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Annie, does flapping in the electoral breeze make one an ideologue too, or does only apply to those who stick to a course because they genuinely believe it to be the best for NZ?

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  33. virtualmark (1,522 comments) says:

    https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=contract_detail&contract=VOTE.2011.ACT

    Rational prediction markets don’t drink as much kool-aid as John Ansell. I’ll wait to see who Act put forward both (i) on their list and (ii) in a winnable electorate seat before I draw too many conclusions on what level of party vote Act will win in November. But I think 15% will be a real stretch, and 40% is laughable.

    I work in finance. I and my colleagues should be the natural constituency of the Act party. I doubt I disagree much with Don and Act’s preferred economic policy. But in 2008 my party vote moved to National and the “Ghost of Dons past” isn’t going to bring it back to Act. And a quick canvas of my workplace says a bunch of other high-paid finance professionals are thinking likewise.

    Don may be a good policy man. But he’s also a bumbling politician who will blow more political opportunities than he wins. And he has the charisma of two day old fish. If Don is the answer then we’re asking the wrong questions.

    I’d love to see a vibrant economically-conservative socially-liberal party. But the Act party’s shenanigans over the last 9 years have disenchanted me and I can’t see Don being the guy to turn around the ship of clowns.

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  34. publicwatchdog (2,294 comments) says:

    How cute is this?

    The potential coalition of ‘shonky’ John Key – who borrows billions and puts NZ further into debt, with ‘Dictator Don Bra$h – (possible Finance Minister?) – who will get NZ out of the debt that ‘shonky’ John Key helped to create – by selling of public assets (which National/ACTs rich business backers can then buy), and by declaring ‘war on the poor’?

    WHAT A TEAM!

    ‘Shonky’ John Key helps to cause the economic problem (debt) – which ‘Dictator Don’ will then help fix?

    Nice work!

    (Funnily enough – they both share the same solution – asset sale$
    WHAT a coincidence!
    This couldn’t possibly be the reason why ‘corporate raider shonky’ John Key is actually so busy borrowing all this money and getting NZ so much into debt – errrr……….could it?)

    Just a little ‘commonsense’ thought ……….. if Don Bra$h is genuinely opposed to all this profligate John Key-led Government borrowing – then why would he want to go into coalition with someone with whose actions on this ‘key’ issue he is supposed to be completely opposed?

    Duh?

    Sounds slightly flawed on a number of fronts – particularly the basic ‘logic’ one?

    PS: If Don Bra$h now SO agrees with ACT policies – why wasn’t he previously an ACT member?

    Or could this mean that there isn’t any real difference between National and ACT – when their policies and personnel are so readily interchangeable?

    Doesn’t this prove in practice that any ‘differences’ between National and ACT are really in the spin-doctored ‘perception’ deception?

    Just how ‘hollow’ / ‘shallow’ are these ‘men’?

    And how profoundly stupid do they think are the voting public?

    Remind me where Nicky Hager got it wrong?

    Perhaps people should have (another?) good, long read of ‘The Hollow Men’ ……………

    Penny Bright
    http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

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  35. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Interesting, if ACT get say 6% will Brash refuse to go into coalition with the Nats unless one, he is made finance minister, two, the nats do not have the horis on board ?
    What will the ACT list be Brash then Ruth Richardson ?

    Drop zoning for schools ? well that will piss off a lot of people who paid good money for a house in the Grammar zone.

    The hypocrisy of ACT is bloody amazing, the Nats are a socialistic party yet ACT want to be in coalition with them.

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  36. smttc (711 comments) says:

    Annie, I will ask you the same question. What is extremist about National Party founding policies and principles because that is all Brash is advocating? For god’s sake, Key won’t allow the National lead Government to adhere to them.

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  37. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Okay lets pretend ACT will get 40% of the vote leaving the left parties with 60%, any bugger who believes 40% is a majority under MMP is completely bloody barmy.
    It would not end up with an ACT government but a socialistic government including the Nats.

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  38. MildGreens (14 comments) says:

    >I doubt anyone can point to an economic issue on which Rodney and Don disagree.

    Um, try drug policy…..

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  39. s.russell (1,580 comments) says:

    Good point, grumpy.
    Even if 40% voted for Act, MMP means the centre will dominate. So the way to “win” is to move the centre to the right (not the politicians, the voters). That means Act has to target middle ground voters (people who are NOT going to vote Act) and convince them to accept a slightly more rightist Govt. In the long term, that is the only way Act will move NZ in the direction they want.

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  40. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    I understand Rodney is now most interested in Education and of course Regulatory Reform.
    If he stays on in Parliament he could usefully advance these portfolios.
    I would then like to see Don step into Rodney’s shoes as Minister of Local Government, and Regulatory Reform.

    New Zealand is stuffed unless we sort out the nonsense going on at the level of local government where new projects and enterprises are being wiped out every day and madness rules.

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  41. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    GPT1 10:43 am. That would be great. Two main parties. One Classic Liberal, and one Labour Lite. Hell, the Nats might even remember that a principle is an idea; not someone who runs a school.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  42. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Well i agree with Ansell. National Politicians have always been weak and slimy working for power rather than the benefit of Kiwi’s.

    The major problem I see is getting sufficient people to stand that agree with thge ACT policies. He needs porbably 35- 40 mp’s to be PM.
    He actually needs Rodney and David Garrett and a few more like them.
    He doesn’t need Saargent Roy. She is disloyal as is Douglas and as for that scruffy tart from down South. Her disloyalty was bought so she needs the chop as well.
    Cactus is spot on about disloyalty to a leader.

    Don, make sure Rodney gets a place.

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  43. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Reason: born-to-rule Nats love power far more than they love principles.

    I don’t agree with the “born-to-rule” part, but it seems to me the National Party jettisoned its founding principles years ago. It’s now a collection of spineless non-entitites ready to change colours and make/maintain unsustainable promises with the only purpose of getting elected.

    There is nothing conservative in today’s National Party. It is of a lighter hue of red compared to Labour.

    People like Bolger, Shipley, English and now Key are not truthful to the party’s principles. They were and are there just to satisfy themselves and their egos.

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  44. KevinH (1,160 comments) says:

    There really is only one position that Don Brash is after and that is finance. It is his goal and ambition as alluded to in his earlier statements. This is of course dependent on percentages, the percentage ACT gets at the ballot box determines how much leverage Don will have in his coalition arrangements.
    Don Brash and his backers will be looking for the finance portfolio and considering events of the last few days it would be fair to say that Don will be negoitiating hard with John Key post election, so the Nats will be on guard.
    Apart from finance the feeling is we are all in for a big shake up if Don comes through the middle.

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  45. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    How far can Brash be trusted with a high level position in government? Will he threaten that if he doesn’t get his way exclusively he’ll go and start up a new country?

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  46. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    the nats and ACT do have similar ambitions .. they major difference is on the way to achieve them. Nats want to do it carefully without causing major upheaval with the so-called disadvantaged while ACT want to do it now .. there has to be ground in-between where they meet and rid the country of Parties like labour/Greens.

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  47. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    s.russell move voters to the right ? excuse me why I roll on the floor screaming with laughter.
    Look even ACT party members believe THEY should go to university at taxpayer expense before they sod off to the USA or the UK for good.
    Just ask young ACT members if they are paying the full fees that foreigners pay to go to our universitys then listen why they tell you they are owed.

    Hell even I would support ACT if they went to a pure system, but they will not do it because little Annie’s parents would not vote for them if they had to pay for her university education.

    All NZ political parties have the same motto, let hypocrisy reign.

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  48. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    THE HOLLOW MEN THING IS SO YESTERDAY .. BORING

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  49. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    15% ought to be achievable
    Remember in 1984 – a so-called ‘extremist’ right wing minor party got 12% and we didn’t have MMP then

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  50. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    “Just ask young ACT members if they are paying the full fees that foreigners pay to go to our universitys”

    Little fuckers probably expect police protection just like everyone else too.

    Moronic line to draw.

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  51. NX (603 comments) says:

    I’d like to see Dr Brash as finance minister. In fact this is the role Key should’ve given him instead of booting him out.

    This election is going to be more about a fight between the centre-right & the right.

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  52. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (858 comments) says:

    Hmm, so the role is Soooooo central to Government that Winston Peters was made Treasurer. Looks like a cut and dried precedent to me.

    Doesnt that undermine the central premise just a little there DPF?

    Whats all the fuss about anyway, Don is probably the best qualified NZer for the role. Certainly far better qualified than Bill English or Winston Peters were. On the other aisle, at least Michael Cullen was an economic historian.

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  53. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Treasurer wasn’t Minister of Finance, it was a special bauble position.

    After the 1996 elections, the role of the Minister of Finance was split between two portfolios – that of Minister of Finance and that of Treasurer. The position of Treasurer was senior to that of the Minister of Finance, and was created as part of the coalition agreement between the National Party and New Zealand First. It was established especially for Winston Peters, leader of New Zealand First, who demanded it as part of the deal. When Peters ended the coalition, the position reverted to the National Party, and after the change of government in 1999, it was reincorporated into the old Minister of Finance portfolio.

    Maybe a symbolic Brash bauble could be created too. One that he could accept or if he doesn’t like it he could go and create his own.

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  54. Sam.P (2 comments) says:

    Ansell, you’re still my kind of dude. Keep it up. Your brains & passion are great.

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  55. BeaB (2,084 comments) says:

    Lange, as far as I know, broke up one marriage. I’d give anyone one mistake but two? If Brash can’t manage the trouser snake how is he going to manage his public image (presently ludicrous) or his party – a bunch of oddities?

    I’d like to see Rodney join National. He is an intelligent man with plenty still to offer.

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  56. mpledger (429 comments) says:

    DPF said:
    If ACT make it back into Parliament, the role I’d love to see Don Brash take is education, and have him introduce performance pay for teachers, bulk funding for all schools, abolish school zoning and introduce full parental choice of schools. I think such reforms are vital to improving our country’s future prospects.
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Even though a randomised control trial of performance pay in schools didn’t work, the school with incentives did worse. And that one trial is the only evidence on performance pay for teachers.

    All full parental choice for schools would do is hand over choice to the schools. And even if it goes to balloting, the richer parents will be more willing to take on the ballot because they can afford the transport cost for getting their kids into another zone. All it will mean is that the rich schools become richer and the poor schools become poorer.

    And noone will want to teach at the poor schools with performance pay (unless they are saints) because poor kids are less likely to get the extra-curricular activities, safe housing, security of parental income and security of food that makes rich kids so much easier to teach.

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  57. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Pledger:world evidence is against you. Give up.

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  58. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (858 comments) says:

    Er no Pete, it was a specially created position certainly, but it was written into the Public Finance Act as the senior Finance portfolio.

    The fact that Mr Peters wanted the prestige without the work is neither here nor there. The role was in legislation as the senior role – the Budgets that he was Treasurer Mr Peters called the shots (even though Mr Birch did all the work). Other than that, yes you are of course completely right.

    Hence my point, there is precedent for a coalition partner holding Finance. peters also had himself made Deputy Prime Minister you will find. A role that I think Jim Anderton also held for a while with the other mob. So, what was the point you were trying to make again? Oh yes, there wasnt one was there. You really have been a wee concern troll this week havent you Pete?

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  59. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    j abba says:
    April 29, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    please don’t start the Hollow Men/Exclusive Brethren thing again .. not 3 elections in a row.
    I’m not sure who your audience will be by attacking a key/Brash combo. Your supporters don’t vote for them now sooo??
    You have to sell the floating public a Labour/Green/Winston 1st/Mana Party combo .. good luck

    see how I try and help the labour party on redablurt .. free advice just to help them out

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  60. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    what Party was Anderton in that time the diety etc?

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  61. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    And noone will want to teach at the poor schools with performance pay (unless they are saints) because poor kids are less likely to get the extra-curricular activities, safe housing, security of parental income and security of food that makes rich kids so much easier to teach.

    Quite incorrect. The highly regarded and successful Principal of my children’s Decile 10 school in one of Auckland’s Eastern Suburbs moved to a Decile 2 in Coromandel because he wanted to make a difference. Not every individual seeks an easy and unchallenging life.

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  62. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Why are you concerned about precedent Nigel? Brash didn’t worry about precedent when he launched a hostile takeover of someone else’s party.

    Coalition governments seem to have a lot of flexibility as to how they set things up. If they wanted to they could probably create a special position for Brash, something like Minister of 2025 Aspirations even.

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  63. Bill Courtney (160 comments) says:

    Viking2,
    The world evidence on education is stacked against you and you know it. But, will the real evidence even be put on the table, or do we just get ideology masquerading as policy rammed down our throats like National Standards was?

    Will the good people of Epsom get “the Truth” on the effects on their property values of abolishing the Auckland Grammar zone? Does ACT do a major about turn and start telling “the Truth” about the true level of student achievement in NZ?

    Intriguing threads these, over the past couple of days, but no sign at all that any of the ideology will be backed up with real evidence.

    We wait with baited breath…

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  64. kiwi in america (2,477 comments) says:

    Bill Courtney – ah yes the teacher’s union activist who poses in the Dom Post Letters to the Editor as a ‘concerned citizen’ – under instructions from the PPTA to do battle with the ignorant tories on Kiwiblog. No making teachers more accountable and introduciing performance based pay – can’t have that. Even the slightest hint that Brash might be a Min Ed on a 2nd Key Administration – there’s a good chap Bill – go onto Kiwiblog and put that silly David Farrar right.

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  65. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Whatever % ACT do get in November, the majority of it will be at the expense of National and possibly the fringe-lunatic NZF voter.

    However, those voters from the left that switched to National in the last election could well be prompted to jump back if they see ACT startting to poll over 5%.

    And I’m not sure that the Maori party would be party to a coalition involving ACT that had Brash at the helm.

    This could be very messy.

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  66. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Some will be accusing Don Brash as a racist and I know that will come from a lot of lefty white folks, but if one asks those white anti-Brash bunch if they mingle with blacks or somehow live in Otara, I can guarantee commentators on this thread that the answer will be a big no-no.

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  67. Paul Marsden (990 comments) says:

    BeaB (761) Says:

    April 29th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    Lange, as far as I know, broke up one marriage. I’d give anyone one mistake but two? If Brash can’t manage the trouser snake how is he going to manage his public image (presently ludicrous) or his party – a bunch of oddities?

    Well then BeaB, you might be surprised to learn of Muldoon’s numerous indiscretions (usually on his office desk). Power and intelligence is a powerful aphrodisiac.

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  68. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    you might be surprised to learn of Muldoon’s numerous indiscretions (usually on his office desk). Power and intelligence is a powerful aphrodisiac.

    Tell us about them Paul.Help make this blog fun.

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  69. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Bill Coutrney, would you tell your political allegiance? Are you a Labour supporter?
    I wait with baited breath.

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  70. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Viking 2
    Muldoon’s indiscretions were very well known at the time..well especially in Wellington. Ask any older Karori ladies. I think like Lange he had a drink problem at the end..Lange’s may have been caused by his stomach stapling. This link between stomach stapling and alcoholism is not well known here tho it is well known in the US. Muldoon was a tyrant and a maniac..and of course lets not forget , a VERY short man , but Brash comes across as a buffoon. He will never get away with what Muldoon got away with.

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  71. Daigotsu (451 comments) says:

    KoA, Manolo – play the ball, not the man.

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  72. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (858 comments) says:

    So Pete, you were the one trying to prove that Peters wasnt holding the senior Finance portfolio.

    As I said, you are a concern troll, why don’t you run along now.

    As it happens, my original comment wasnt about you – you are well identified, it was about DPF who is running Bill English talking points and rapidly prostituting his reputation on this topic.

    DPF, we know there is precedent for the leader of the minority party to take the senior finance portfolio and deputy prime ministership.

    Don is better qualified than anyone else. So what is your problem? Hell you worked in the beehive when Baubles Peters had MAT write all his yellow stickies for him telling him what to think. Is the Don really scarier than that? Of course the Nats are failing on skills (education), so its probably important to suggest burying the Don there.

    And it looks clear that your mate English wasnt completely tidy about how Brash was treated, and is probably going to sleep with the fishes as a result of the Don’s clinical coup. Why not step away from the corpse? your loyalty is admirable, but your reputation surely matters more, and you have been more than a couple of beats off the pace on this one.

    Cam Slater is eating your lunch, being more interesting, better informed and right – a devastating combination. Of course I suspect that Cam is also being fed lines, but his have the benefit of being closer to the real action.

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  73. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    your mate English wasnt completely tidy about how Brash was treated, and is probably going to sleep with the fishes as a result of the Don’s clinical coup

    A very good point tdfkanigel6888.

    The spotlight now certainly is going to focus brightly on English and his portfolio performance thus far.

    I remain to be convinced of his incompetence. All I know so far is he hasn’t done anything beyond mediocre, but I don’t know he’s done anything really stupid. But I remain open.

    Naturally we’re not firing on all cylinders and that’s not his fault but are we doing the best we could possibly have done over the last three years, given all the circumstantial factors? I don’t know the answer, but I think Brash might help indicate some measures.

    Which would be good.

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  74. CharlieBrown (926 comments) says:

    If Brash takes on Education the first dam thing he should do is throw out the garbage proposal of PPP’s for schools. Instead follow through with the old ACT policy (I’m not sure if it still is policy) and subsidise 60-70% of private education fees, that way you decrease the burden on the public system, give parents choice, and allow schools to specialise in particular paths eg, Farming, mechanics, engineering.

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  75. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    # Daigotsu (2) Says:
    April 29th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    KoA, Manolo – play the ball, not the man.

    Harden up, newbie, or you won’t last long around these parts!

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  76. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    National isn’t going to sit back and watch ACT steal 10% or more of the vote off them. Remember it was probably a Nat that did Brash in last time and leaked his emails to Hager. English is one of a number of possible suspects and if his job as finance minister and deputy is threatened he’ll certainly fight back and fight dirty. National won’t hesitate to knife Brash a second time and there will be dirt there to find on Brash because despite his intellect he is naive and lacking in judgement.

    Although a National victory isn’t in any doubt its shaping up as a fascinating election. A battle for the right wing vote, a three way fight for the Maori seats, Winston and the Mana Party trying to (re)establish and United facing oblivion (but now perhaps not??)

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  77. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Daigotsu (2) Says:
    April 29th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    KoA, Manolo – play the ball, not the man.

    Harden up, newbie, or you won’t last long around these parts!

    Damm right! Back in the day a certain dude name of Redbaiter would have had your two post progressive balls for a necklace.

    lol ;-0

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  78. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    I’d like Don to be the next Justice Minister. Then there might be a wide ranging inquiry into the Peter Ellis case. This government has shown a lack of moral courage in regards to not just this case but miscarriages of justice in general. Brash, for all his faults, seems genuinely concerned that Ellis may have been the victim of a miscarriage of a justice.

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  79. Mark (1,434 comments) says:

    those who think act will get to 15% are delusional. Brash is not a threat to labour as he has as much appeal to the labour voter as the plague. For Act to succeed at that level national’s support will necessarily have to collapse from current levels to the mid to low thirty percent range.

    There is a current wave of euphoria amongst the ACT supporters that a lame duck leader has been ousted and Brash has taken the limelight for a week. I feel brash can get the Act party over the 5% threshold but only just. Whether ACT/National combined can still take over 50% of the vote on their own is questionable. Whilst I am hopeful that may happen there are real risks with the ACT political strategy.

    National has been successful in attracting the centrist portion of the labour vote. There is a real danger that National could lose some of this support if those voters fear a lurch to the right under a National ACT coalition. Brash has to get momentum and maintain it until November. He may appeal to the limited demographic of Epsom but he has to carry that through the country that is questionable.

    It is interesting to note that now Brash has got Rodney down he is going to kick him to death asking the prime minister to sack him as minister. Is there are risk that Rodney may finally spit the dummy once he has nothing to lose and opt to become an independent? If he did take that option does that send Douglas, Calvert et al back home given they are in parliament on the back of Rodney holding the Epsom electorate seat. Unlikely but it must be a thought that has crossed Rodney’s mind.

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  80. boredboy (250 comments) says:

    I heard that if Don failed to get 5% of the party vote that he will just invent his own party vote.

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