Goff lies over Police
November 24th, 2011 at 8:10 am by David FarrarPhil Goff claimed in the debate that a “reliable source” told him
Radio NZ reveals the true story:
Labour Party leader Phil Goff says senior police have been told recruitment for next year has been deferred and the January intake of recruits has been cancelled.
Mr Goff made the claim in TVNZ’s leaders’ debate on Wednesday night and told Morning Report on Thursday that the reason given for the deferral was the need to make savings in the police budget.
He says his source is reliable and well informed.
However, National’s law and order spokesperson Judith Collins says there are so few people leaving the police at the moment that the January intake of recruits is not needed.
She says the first intake next year will be in March instead.
Ms Collins says there will be no reduction in frontline police numbers under a National Government.
If Goff thought there really was a freeze, he would have done a press release stating so, rather than alleging something in a debate where he knows the PM would not know if it was correct or not (as an operational matter).
Here’s what Goff actually said:
Just been advised that you’re deferring all recruiting next year, but that this announcement must not be made until after the election”
Goff lied. There will be recruiting in March 2012. Labour’s campaign has been based on a series of lies and half-truths – on asset sales, on state houses, on welfare and now on the Police.
The attrition rate for the Police under National has been just 3.2% and under Labour was over 6%. So this is in fact a very good thing, as it is far better to retain experienced police officers than recruit as many new ones.
I wonder what other lies Labour will try in the final two days?
November 24th, 2011 at 8:14 am
If Goff has got this wrong, was the story leaked to him on purpose?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Phil Goff has followed every fad in public policy in his long (very long) 30 year career in politics. He has had more positions on things than the Kama Sutra. Right now the Labour Party is going through an extreme Left phase and is sinking in the polls. Goff is their salesman for that. Most people think he has nothing to offer. But beware. Goff could put a Government together of the losers if Winston Peters lets him.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:20 am
On RadioNZ this morning Greg O’Connor was reported as being comfortable with Judith Collins’ explanation. Surely to goodness if Goff was correct he would’ve said so.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:21 am
“I wonder what other lies Labour will try in the final two days?”
To speak like the Goff you must think like the Goff.
Goff logic:
Vote:John Key, born 1961 of Jewish heritage > Did not fight Nazis > Is Jewish Nazi collaborator
November 24th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Well here’s a thought. Instead of having a worm indicator for the leader’s debates, how about a Pinocchio’s nose meter, which grows or shrinks depending on whether or not the viewers believe them.
Coupled with an arousal meter in the form of a flaccid penis….a very flaccid penis…. oh.. okay forget the second idea.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Said this (below) in General Debate, but more appropriate here.
One further thought…,the use by media of pejorative language. Collins did NOT admit anything. She explained. But that apparently doesn’t suit the Tully style-book, so:
“November 24th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Vote:So will TV One be chasing Goffice today over his deliberate LIE relating to Police recruitment?
Not on your nellie.
Goff deliberatley lied to the public and he lied in public.
Of course he will say he was mis-advised and the MsM will sweep it all under the carpet – just like they did with red-melon vandalism
In the mean time, they will say, “Lets run with the lie and use Collins flat denial as an after-thought,. As for Marshall? No..that would spoil the story (lie!).”
November 24th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Goff, the irrepressible liar.
Vote:Only a sympathetic press, made of left-wing hacks, let him get away with his cascade of lies and false statements.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:33 am
So Goff came out right on the first debate and called Key a liar so he could cover this now endless series of blatant lies.
Vote:Cunning as a shit house rat
November 24th, 2011 at 8:33 am
And someone within National also needs to call Goff/Labour out on the lie that National will sell Kiwibank.
Goff is lying little shit and I hope he gets absolutely trounced on Saturday.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:36 am
@ Lindsay; my sentiments exactly, as I have just blogged. Which of the Camp Davids fed him this tasty morsel?
And will this gaffe by Phil Goff be his last one?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:42 am
If will only be his last gaffe if the media get it out there. They are too busy praising his performance to do that. KS – if your character is in keeping with your nommes du plume, how many times has TV3 had Goff on as guest in the mornings this week, how many news items focus primarliy on Goff and how many focus on Key’s weaker points? Has anyone counted?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:49 am
So what is the bigger surprise?
1. The fact that Goff exaggerates / embellishes / obfuscates / tells outright porkies?
or
2. No-one in the blatant left wing media has the nuts / the inclination to call him out?
I suggest the latter.
The biggest loser this election will be the hacks who masquerade as media personnel – their bias is blatant / their political agenda is obvious and their tactics are derived from the book written by Josef Goebbels.
Despite their collective efforts, Goof will get his arse spanked on Saturday by an electorate who hasn’t bought into the distortions / media spin and the blatant lies being lobbed from Labour HQ under the direction of their bitter, nasty campaign manager Trevor Mallard.
Goff will never be able to suggest that he had anything but total support from a left wing, highly compliant, lapdog media.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Will TV3 get the dynamic duo of Batman and Robin (aka Garner and Gower) to seek out Goff and ask some pertinent questions?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Perhaps Goff wasn’t in the meeting?
Yes Goff likely hasn’t been honest and he, Mallard, and that awful woman that attacked the Mad Butcher (and a number of other toxic personalities in labour) are the reason I am not voting labour this year when I was considering it 6 months ago. But where was the condemnation of Key from the KiwiBlog regulars over the S&P lies?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
For many years I have advocated that politicans and political parties should be suject to the same laws that govern me as a business operator namely the Commerce Act.
If I lie to my customers I suffer heavy penalities. If I mislead my customers I suffer heavy penalities.
Yet we let these bastards get away with lying to us and misleading us on a daily basis.
WHY What is so different that they shouldnt be required to meet the same standards as I and other business people are.
Example 2476 of how soft cock we are with these cretins
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 8:58 am
My source inside the farming sector (sorry I can’t name them) told me on very good aurhority that Goff blows goats.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am
yes, but few will know that he lied.
This is the problem with lies, unless you discover the deception then it will forever be the truth .
Only a small % of kiwis will be reading kiwiblog.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Sorry, I have since found out that this is total lies
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:03 am
@ wreck – this one will get widespread coverage. Judith Collins debunked Goff’s allegation on Breakfast; both Stuff and the NZ Herald are covering the story, and the radio stations are broadcasting it as well. I would suggest that this will be every bit as damaging for Phil Goff as “Show me the Money”.
Just as I type this, Newstalk ZB reports that Judith Collins is “adamant that Phil Goff is making things up”!
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Goff blows goats? ZOMG!!!!1!
Retweet. Retweet. Retweet.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Meanwhile across at the Stranded cesspit, commenters are now suggesting that Goff’s information was factual and Collins has been forced to talk down the prospect of deferrals.
The words “going beyond attenuated psychotic symptoms, to manifest a full-blown psychotic fugue state” come to mind.
What are the odds on Duncan Garner being all over Goff by tea-time on this???
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am
I have always thought that Goff is so crooked,that when he dies they wont bury him ,they will screw him into the ground.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
The biggest lie is that the asset sales are being done for the kids and the schools. Future sold!
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Scott Chris, re your arousal meter suggestion.. Are you suffering from electile dysfunction? The inability to become aroused over any of the choices put foreward for election.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Well I’m shocked. About this >< much.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Everytime Goff opens his mouth we are reminded what a dishonest little weasel he is when we see the gap in his front teeth – the gap worn from lying through his teeth after a lifetime career in the Labour party.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Flip Flop Phil now Phil the Liar. How can anyone ever trust him. Imagine NZ led by him and Winston – a couple of conmen.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
“What are the odds on Duncan Garner being all over Goff by tea-time on this???”
Why? Is he a goat?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I have it on VERY good authority that the source was Winston Peters.
Nuff said.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Also heard from a reliable source, National are going to sell Kiwi Bank, Sell ACC, sell what’s left of the airforce, sell all state houses to rich overseas property developers, sell all National Parks to rich overseas developers to be mined, charge people to use emergency services at hospitals, privatise the police, privatise all prisons, withdraw all benefit payments for people that have been on them more than a year, and John Key eats cute bunny rabbits whole and live.
My only worry with this post is Trevor Mallard will read it and start stating the above rubbish as fact.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Jesus DPF “Goff Lied” as a headline, shock horror a politician lied. FFS that is not the exclusive domain of the opposition leader. You could wave that wand over all the bloody lot of them both National and, Labour. Where was the Key Lied headline when key said he couldn’t remember what he said to Banks.
I vote National but even for a Tory blogger your frustration is starting to show. Is it that mmp could deliver another rediculous result. If it does it will be totally down to Key’s inept handling of the teapot issue. I am pissed of at him for that. he alone has brought Winston into the reckoning. Hopefully the world will see sense and Winston gets sent packing as he did in 2008.
Back to the point. Goff lied but it rattled Key in the debate which was the point of it.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:32 am
It is disappointing when politicians tell outright lies in the run up to an election and no one in the media thinks there is a story there.
What is the role of the media if it isn’t to provide checks and balances on dishonest politicians?
Perhaps if they were harder on politicians they ideologically support when they lied they might find they have more trustworthy politicians to follow.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am
The role of the media is to sell their product to advertisers hubbers.
Think about it.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:40 am
What is new, Goff has lied for 30 years, that’s the prerogative of a professional politician.
Vote:It’s what an oligarchy does.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Thats no reason tio accept it Mick.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Key lied during the first leaders’ debate when he suggested that any cuts to the secealth sector had not been to frontline services. That was bullshit. Funnily enough, David,you gave Key a pass on that. Biased, much?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Key also lied when he said Standard and Poors had claimed that a credit downgrade was more likely under Labour. More bullshit. And your response to this? Silence…
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:48 am
“Ms Collins says there will be no reduction in frontline police numbers under a National Government.”
Goff didn’t say that there would be a reduction in front line services. Not to worry, since when has telling the truth been a priority for this government?
[DPF: Goff said there would be no recruitment this year. He lied]
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Poor deluded Phil Goff has to learn that hearing a little voice in his head does not constitute a “reliable source”.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Hey ross hows the add this morning, got anythign to say that is directed at the issue rather than just claiming that well Key did it so its ok?
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Jeez ross – you should report back to your masters at the stranded et al that you’ve sure earned your stipe recently for trying to defend the indefensible (Phool Goof).
But the excuses you make for your beloved leader, resemble the stuff you find in the bottom of a long drop.
Complete with the stench.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:01 am
mara asks:- “Are you suffering from electile dysfunction?”
Ha ha. Yes, eLectile dysfunction sums it up nicely. It’s like ocean swimming in October. We’re talking frightened turtles here.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am
murray – pathetic isnt it? apparently when youre a lefty, two wrongs make a right!
id hate to be like that. at least when our side does bad we admit and get pissed off. not blindly follow!
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
the left politicans depend on blind stupidity for gaining power dime.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Possibly the Commissioner is doing some re-arrangement that was going affect some non-sworn staff, and possibly the PSA fed this to Grant & co. But to present it in such a way as to imply reducing sworn staff – well …
I have had some personal experience of this from a former Labour minister. She had information from ‘reliable sources’ she would not disclose, but the sources were definitely not reliable. When it was pointed out in a letter that the information was not correct, she waited precisely three month then responded expressing anger at being called a liar.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Poor old Goofy, someone should tell the prick he’s to old to join the police so claiming they are not recruiting will make no difference in his job hunt.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 10:53 am
[DPF: Goff said there would be no recruitment this year. He lied]
David, Key lied over cuts to health services in the first leaders’ debate and has lied about other things. You’re more hypocritical than usual.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Another big lie is that he said he knows of no other developed country has GST on healthy food/fresh food and vegetables. Well he must be lying becasue he’s obviously looked at the issue. Plenty of countries tax food. Many do so at a reduced rate but they still tax it. http://www.worldtaxpayers.org/stat_vat.htm
Japan, one of our biggest trading partners, is like us in taxing food at the standard rate.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
ross, you’ve been proven wrong about the health services cuts, and you know that you are now lying.
Shall I prove you’re lying again ross? Now I can prove you’re both a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE ross.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I live in the Northcote electorate and it seems lying is endemic in Labour. Dear little jumpy Paula Gillon has sent out leaflets claiming that National PLAN to put A TOLL OF $6 TO $8 on the existing Harbour Bridge. In fact, there is a paper out with that as one of many possible suggestions, hasn’t been considered yet, no PLAN – more Labour lies.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Tracy Watkins’ opinion piece remains in place with the headline “Goff saves best till last in TV debates” – by which she must mean the best Goff can do is lie.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Sean Plunkett interviewed Goff before ten and absolutely savaged him. Shame he is only broadcast in Wellington and not nationwide. Plunkett has now repeatedly stated categorically that Goff is a liar on this matter and that his source clearly has “a hole in his head”.
I wish he was still on National Radio rather than the very innocuous Simon Mercep.
It will be interesting to see if the tv networks make this a big story tonight. It would be nice to think they will but I fear not. Probably not mentioned or buried to appear just before the sports news. Of course if it was the other way round and the Nats were lying bound to be lead story.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
So obvious now that all Goff and Labour can do now is lie to try and win votes. That is the only strategy left to them and they are using it. What a dishonest lot. And so are the media for aiding and abetting them.
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
I just watched Midday News on One, and they nailed Goff over it
Vote:Had a statement from Judith Collins and everything.
November 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
JOHN HARTEVELT AND PALOMA MIGONE, on the other hand, extend Goff’s lies even further:
Labour leader Phil Goff says National has been “forced to confirm” a freeze on police recruitment he raised in last night’s televised leaders’ debate with Prime Minister John Key.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/6023626/Goff-National-police-denial-political-spin
Vote:November 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Savaged on newstalkzb: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24102709.mp3 almost felt sorry for him (tui!)
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