Unfit
February 29th, 2012 at 3:09 pm by David FarrarStuff reports:
The children have been placed in Child Youth and Family care and their parents are under investigation.
The children, whose ages ranged from five months to eight years old, were found in the van around 11am on Sunday morning.
SkyCity said their surveillance recordings indicated the children had been locked in the vehicle for about 45 minutes.
A couple returning to their car heard the children crying and notified SkyCity security staff.
Staff found the parents upstairs gambling in the casino.
The family was taken to Auckland central police station.
I’m sorry, but there is just no excuse for that. How can you leave a five month old alone without adults, let alone five kids?
Tags: child abuse
February 29th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
A South Auckland “family”, maybe?
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Let the racial profiling COMMENCE!
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
This was probably why welfare state architects like Sir William Beveridge thought state dependents shouldn’t be having too many children.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
First person to blame this on the existence of a casino rather than bad parenting wins a kick in the nuts.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
First person to blame this on the existence of social welfare rather than bad parenting wins a kick in the nuts.
Vote:[DPF: Well the fact they both were at a casino, not at work, suggests they were on welfare.]
February 29th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Sits and watches to see who gets kicked in the nuts first.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Further to the Beveridge comment it is amazing how many socialists and left wingers from the early 20th century were smart enough to see the need for birth control to prevent a kind of Idiocracy of chavs (eg. John Maynard Keynes, Bertrand Russell, George Bernard Shaw). And feminists like Margaret Sanger
“No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child… without a permit for parenthood.”
- Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) in her proposed The American Baby Code, intended to become law.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I blame the casino for tempting this dedicated, but poor and weak people. How do they dare to do it to individuals without any guilt, responsibility or parental feelings?
Shame on this capitalist organisation. Ouch!
Proletarians of the world, unite!
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Wonder what sort of punishment these pieces of scum will get. What do you do with parents like this? What happens to the children if you throw them in jail? But on the other hand why should they be responsible for the wellbeing of children ever again? Its a bloody tough one. Not sure how you can deal with incredibly bad parents like them. Makes me so angry to think ppl do this to their children.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@ RRM,
The problem isn’t social welfare – it’s the lack of any requirement to use contraception.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Manolo…
Self flagellation doesn’t count…kicks!
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
***Not sure how you can deal with incredibly bad parents like them.***
@ Cunningham,
Continue their welfare but make contraception a condition of ongoing entitlements.
http://www.kiwifamilies.co.nz/topics/health/contraception/depo-provera-injection.html
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
That Margaret Sanger quote is very interesting….yet at the mere suggestion from us righties that maybe…just maybe…we just might like to consider incentivisng unsuitable people to get sterilized…and cue shots of the Nuremberg rallies on TV One News…
I wonder what St Michael Savage would have made of these two??
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
“[DPF: Well the fact they both were at a casino, not at work, suggests they were on welfare.]”
Well considering it was 11:00am on a Sunday morning, that might be a long stretch. OTOH purely on the facts and a resulting assessment of the lack of either sexual or intellectual discipline you could be forgiven for taking a punt.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@ David Garrett,
Most socialist intellectuals from that era seemed to appreciate that for their system to work they needed to avoid being overwhelmed with chavs (to put it colloquially). For example, Beveridge and acclaimed socialist economist John Maynard Keynes were members of the Eugenics Society. Winston Churchill was a supporter too.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
They were on their way home from church, where god had spoken directly to them both, instructing them to call into the casino. Of course 10% of all winnings must go directly back to the church.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Blame the casino – haha, I love it. Ah well it could be worse, could have been an illegal casino and their kids were collateral..?
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Used to happen all the time back in the 70′s, not Sky City of course but the local pub. Of course it’s frowned on now, and rightly so.
Northland Wahine, church finished at 11am? Only Catholics would be out the doors before 11am.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
NATIONAL PARTY SUPPORTERS, they must be because
Vote:A they have money to gamble (rich pricks)
B they must be managment? most workers would be sweating at work to pay for the rich pricks lifestyles.
C arrogant, the rich pricks who can afford to go to the casino and dump their sprogs have no scruples
February 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
In a former life I had some dealings with Sky Casino. The place is a hotbed of criminal activity and criminal-conspiracy. Things like pick-pocketting on the Casino floor and muggings in the underground car park are not uncommon (especially young asian women alone), but the Casino executives have a policy of “hushing-up” these offences because they don’t want adverse publicity that might suggest the casino is not a fun place to be. Casino security staff are there to protect the Casino’s image, not the customer’s security.
On a related matter, the BNZ bank at the Casino is the only bank in NZ that is open 24 hours a day and is used by criminals for money laundering. The scam artists that prey on elderly confused residents of Epsom and Remuera, offering to trim trees or paint roofs for $5,000 without actually doing any work, usually get a cash cheque from the victim and hot-foot it down to the Sky BNZ so they can cash it immediately.
Sky Casino has mu
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Plebe you clearly have some mental problems.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Omg the sky conspiracy knocked chris2 off mid-sentence!
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Oh “Put it away” @5:25pm, I’m so ashamed (Chris2 slinks off into the sunset ….!).
You brought a real smile to my face, thanks pal. This is what makes Kiwiblog the best around.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
nah nah, its the Gov’ment’s fault. it is , it really is. They made the money for these rich pricks to take to the casino to gamble with.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Put it away (2,417) Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Vote:Plebe you clearly have some mental problems.
Insults are cheap , what have i said wrong?????
February 29th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
plebe you have not said anything that even makes enough sense to be worth responding to. Just absurdly desperate nonsense.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
And SkyCity casino wants another 500 pokies to encourage more families to do shit like this. And Steven Joyce looks like he is going to give most of them to it.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Put it away (2,418) Says
Vote:If they can afford to leave their sprogs in their van and go gambling they must be wealthy, wealthy means they have spare cash to burn, spare cash means they could be national supporters???John boy Key has 55/60000000 spare cash to burn and hes the national leader, so they both have something in common , both are rich pricks. Did you get it PIA
February 29th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Oh cool plebe, everyone who goes gambling is rich, well you better let the people who worry about problem gambling know that it’s all cool, they needed worry because everyone who gambles is wealthy.
What a fucking idiot troll you are.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Plebe… Of course there’s no chance in hell that money they spent was supposed to be on food or rent or power or clothes. Just defies belief, huh?
Of course being a Sunday, they could have won something on lotto. Whatever the reason, no one in their right mind leaves a baby with an 8 yr old child in a carpark in a casino.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
toad, you and the rest of Luddites live on a different planet where the words Individual responsibility means nothing.
Go away, you do-gooder and totalitarian at heart.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Scum. Fucking scum bag arseholes. Who leaves a 5 month old locked in a van? You filthy low life sad excuse of a human.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
I was going to blame the Casino… until I saw Kimbles post… So instead I blame Trevor Mallard…
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@Manolo 7:00 pm
I know there is little point in arguing with you, but this is likely about an addiction, not about individual responsibility.
Addicts, be it to gambling, alcohol or drugs, or sex, are largely incapable of exercising the individual responsibility you so vehemently espouse.
You won’t like hearing this, but society has to intervene to support people in that situation at an early stage. Otherwise society will end up intervening to “support” them in a way much more expensive to taxpayers – JAIL!
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Quite right Toadie. Time we started to use strenuous methods to wean folks off Green.
Christ knows what it costs to keep a drill ship held up in port for three or four days but it is a cost that society just can’t afford.
Charging the perps $50,000 a day or whatever would be a good start and taking their passports off them for say ten years would be even better.
The more intelligent of them might decide to pursue their acting career somewhere else like Lala land perhaps.
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Yes there is an excuse for them to go to the Casino..
They !!.. Were given FREE MONEY.. .. They had a dream.. Gamble it and increase this FREE MONEY..
Life is easy !!!..
YOU GIVE IT TO THEM !!!..
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
YOU ARE MORE TO BLAME THAN THEM !!!
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
HARDEN UP !!!..
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Please excuse the poor grammer. Jasper Jones will be rolling in his grave ..
Vote:February 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Heheheeee.. the Welsh prick :;))
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 5:40 am
@adam2314 (224) Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
“Yes there is an excuse for them to go to the Casino..
They !!.. Were given FREE MONEY.. .. They had a dream.. Gamble it and increase this FREE MONEY.. ”
I doubt they would be on a benefit as they were there for 45 mins at least. A benefit doesn’t last 5 mins at the casino.
Money laundering is rampant at the casino. Drug Dealers just get friends to buy x dollars in chips then gamble a little bit and cash the rest back in for clean tax free money. If you have a casino receipt you have a nice simple explanation for having alot of money coming in with no job or demonstrable legit income source.
But really, why would National support Sky City in having more pokies and encouraging more gambling just to get a convention centre built. They should have just told Sky City to build the convention centre or lose their casino license…hehehe
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 7:09 am
MikeS – five children. Their benefit will be considerable. And how many people who work for a living have five children? This has got “beneficiary” written all over it.
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
Not only “beneficiary”, but “Pasifika” too.
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am
I see mobile sterilization vans cruising around places where neglected children may be found (Northland Wahine and several sensible women like her would be consultants and advisors)…I see a gift pack of $100 in scratchies and a lotto ticket if you will just “step into the van for a minute”…I see the poor little progeny of these kind of “parents” taken and adopted to the thousands of childless couples who would die for a child to love and bring up well….I see….
All of the above just kidding folks…well perhaps not the last bit…
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
But this post is dead serious…
have a look at the quote in the Herald this am (near the front page “news” about damage caused to Keisha Castle-hughes’ rented house) from some dickhead in CYFS…apparently (now there’s a surprise) the family was already under scrutiny from CYFS because of – among other things – violence between the parents..but the good news is:
“We had an agreed plan in place to assist with their parenting skills…we are very dissappointed blah blah blah…”
Earth to CYFS wallah: People like this are not interested in sticking to “parenting plans” you might “put in place” (always consistent with the principles of the treaty and with due regard to the cultural norms of the “clients”)…they will just tell you what you want to hear in order to get out of there as quickly as possible, perferably with some money, but a voucher for something will do….and then they laugh at you all the way across the carpark…
Isnt it interesting how the lefties are quite happy for the state to excercise the most draconian powers in regulating how good people live their lives, but are totally agin any firm action with “parents” like this? The whole “culture” of CYFS has got to change…If there are still any alive, perhaps they could bring back some “Social Welfare” bureaucrats from the 70′s to advise how they handled shit like this when kids were left in booze barn carparks, there being no casinos then…
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
Well said, David Garrett.
Vote:NZ is never short of left-wing do-gooders who love playing god trying to “save” people” from themselves through copious amounts of taxpayer’s money.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:08 am
David Garrett
…”All of the above just kidding folks”…..
Why? It is an eminently sensible suggestion to sort out a problem which is not going away. Although you where ambushed & enjoy the honour of being the first person to be nailed to a cross in a TV studio the idea was sound. The only mistake you & a few others with a sensible approach make is baiting the prey with peanuts instead of gold.
If we were to offer say $20K, free of conditions, to any prolific breeders who wish to undergo sterilisation the queue would be seven kilometres long before lunchtime. That same $20K wouldn’t last two years if used to support & monitor a child born in a disfunctional family unit.
Don’t piss around appealing to commonsense….make the offer irresistible!
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
Nasska, I doubt it would take even $20k…
The whole “culture” of CYFS has got to change…If there are still any alive, perhaps they could bring back some “Social Welfare” bureaucrats from the 70′s to advise how they handled shit like this when kids were left in booze barn carparks, there being no casinos then…
No shit David… If isn’t booze, it’s drugs, if isn’t drugs, it’s gambling, if isn’t… and the list continues.
Sadly, sometime in the70′s common sense became even less common, and the ultimate goal for Social Welfare at the time, was to “return the children to their family”. For all we know it could have been a cost cutting exercise.
Maybe we could appeal to the gambling *addiction* and set up a mobile casino? “Roll on up folks, place your ovaries and nut sacks on the table…”
Kidding…kinda…maybe
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
Nasska: I cannot argue with the second last para of your post…that was in essence what got me compared with Hitler, and had shots of the Nuremberg rally leading TV One news as a backdrop to the ACT logo…I dont have reliable figures (Lindsay Mitchell will though) as to what “supporting” a totally dysfunctional “family” like this would cost until the youngest child is out of CYFS jurisdiction (which would probably be 16 years after the menopause of the “mother”) but it will be massive. $20,000 – or $40,000 to have both of them “fixed” – would be a trifling percentage of what will be spent.
But I really almost cry about the human misery of the kids…I can barely imagine the horror of being locked in a hot van with black plastic over the windows while “mum and dad” went God knows where for God knows how long…and the chances are 1000 to 1 that this was the first time it happened….but of course this is all the fault of anyone and everyone BUT the “parents”…
And what’s the bet the poor little buggers will be returned to them sooner rather than later??
Northland Wahine: Brilliant! You naughty wahine you…
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
In the third world they bribe them with radios, but $50 of change for the pokies would do the trick here. Could even have a pokie machine in the van and get it straight back again.
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 11:32 am
While being a big fan of individual responsibility,we must acknowledge that gambling is a vice. It grips people and they become hopelessly addicted to it. Casinos are the worst in their powers of addiction.
That is why i can’t stand liberalism. It says “look at the poor children” while approving the establishment of casinos which are the most addictive purveyors of the vice of gambling. And so the children get neglected because we allow these casinos to be built which attract many people who can least afford to go into them.
Well call me a wowser but I say if we got rid of all casinos and pokie machines then our country would be a much better place!
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Following your impeccable wowser logic, why don’t we ban the sell of fast-food (obesity), cigarretes (tobacco addiction), alcohol (related illnesses), sugar (diabetes), cars (road accidents) and the rest?
Life is full of challenges which we must meet with the help of our brain. You prove the point that Darwin was right.
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 11:59 am
***shots of the Nuremberg rally leading TV One news ***
Curiously leftist policies don’t get constantly demonized by pulling out images of Stalin and members of the bourgeois and ‘Kulaks” being put in camps. The propaganda war is quite one sided.
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Firstly there is no indication the parents were beneficiaries.
Secondly, they are entitled to spend their money (if not beneficiaries) as they choose.
What they shouldn’t do is leave their children unsupervised and that they are being dealt with.
Vote:Now the full circumstances of their family life can be looked at.
However CYF is a lottery and often does more damage than good, so the kids outcomes may well be very poor which will cost us all in the long run.
Poor parenting and CYF’s not for the faint hearted.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
David Garrett (927) Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
Absolutely.
Vote:March 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Ever noticed that do gooders only want to do good with somebody elses money?
Vote:March 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Manolo — one of the reasons I don’t blog very much at all on this blog is people like you who are just uniformly insulting. I appreciate you are an atheist and so therefore you don’t think you are beholden to anybody or anything.
Your insolence is overwhelming. You’d better hope that we actually never meet. I might turn the other cheek but remember I only have two cheeks.
Vote:March 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Actually and just while I am here. There was great opposition to casinos and the spread of gambling generally when they were introduced. But we were assured that everything would be okay.
Now we have record numbers of problem gamblers. We have parents leaving their children in cars for hours while they go off gambling. If the casinos weren’t there, these things would not happen. Even an atheist like you can join the dots. Get a clue Manolo.
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