The Chch CBD plan

July 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm by David Farrar

The proposed plan is here. It looks pretty damn good to me. The key projects are:

  • A green space around the Avon River
  • The square, with more green areas
  • A retail precinct
  • A convention centre that can hold 2,000 people at once
  • Health, justice and arts precincts
  • An memorial
  • A cultural centre
  • A metro sports facility
  • An enclosed sports stadium
  • A centralised bus interchange

As I blogged previously, the city centre was somewhat dying even before the earthquake. This plan, if accepted and affordable, looks to make central a great place to work, live and play.

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31 Responses to “The Chch CBD plan”

  1. big bruv (13,227 comments) says:

    An arts precinct and a culture precinct?

    Really??

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  2. thor42 (907 comments) says:

    So – no light rail? No surprise there, really. It was never going to be affordable.
    It would never pay for itself either – it’d always need to be subsidised somehow.

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  3. Mike Readman (356 comments) says:

    Spoken like a true classical liberal!

    Affordable?! Imagine what the cost must be. All that land for the green space, it looks like about half the central city. A new 35,000 seat covered stadium with natural turf. Natural turf’s never been done before in an indoor stadium. The land alone for this will cost $105 million I heard. Expanding the Avon, surely that costs a lot. A new library, huge sports hub, bus interchange, performing arts centre, gigantic convention centre, relocating the courthouse and heaps for the health precinct. What the hell does that all add up to?

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  4. Bed Rater (239 comments) says:

    David you need to update your disclosure statement. Classical liberal indeed.

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  5. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Yup. If affordable. No show whatsoever. Unless we’re spending other people’s money, which no doubt we are. In this case of course, other people means me. And probably most of the commentors on this blog. Stadiums in particular are likely to be a financial disaster (although the Wgtn cake tin may be an exception).

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  6. big bruv (13,227 comments) says:

    Whatever happened to the idea of business rebuilding the city?

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  7. iMP (2,232 comments) says:

    Yip Big Bruv, an Arts and Cultural precinct. Chch already had one, with great Edwardian buildings all connected together via Worcester Boulevard.

    These include:
    The Arts Centre (Landlord to several arts and cultural businesses)
    Christs College
    Canterbury Museum
    The Chch Art Gallery
    Small Boutique art galleries.

    Unfortunately, the Court THeatre has moved to Lincoln Rd, Addington, but this is good for spreading art throughout Chch.

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  8. Mike Readman (356 comments) says:

    So now there’s two Arts and Cultural precincts. Sounds logical to me.

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  9. tvb (4,199 comments) says:

    Christchurch has always been a planned city with the grid street pattern and the 4 avenues and Hagley Park. Later years the square has been a mess especially after they removed the grass and replaced it with concrete. I assume this concept will take 20-30 years to implement. I just hope in the meantime things do not look too shabby. Some form of transitional development needs to be in place.

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  10. Inky_the_Red (734 comments) says:

    tvb it is a ten-year plan. I’m not sure how they will achieve that.

    The CBD looks a tad small. Though it seems that the are from Victoria Street to Hagley park plus the area directly South of the CBD will be quite CBDish.

    The cricket oval proposal will cause a lot of protest. I for one can’t see the point of trying to put it in Hagley Park

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  11. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    Mike Readman (277) Says:
    July 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Spoken like a true classical liberal!

    Affordable?! Imagine what the cost must be. All that land for the green space, it looks like about half the central city. A new 35,000 seat covered stadium with natural turf. Natural turf’s never been done before in an indoor stadium.

    Actually it has, look to the new Dunedin Stadium, its natural turf, grown in place full time. The DCC or the trust that built/designed the stadium, owns the intellectual property on growing and maintaining natural turf growing in situ, from memory, so unless Christchurch wanted to reinvent the wheel, they’d have to licence the technology and such from the DCC.
    Also some of the US NFL stadiums are natural turf, but its palletised and roatated in and out as needed for growth and such things.

    But the stadium will cost at least 3 times the 100 million odd quoted. Thats what it cost Dunedin

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  12. iMP (2,232 comments) says:

    No Mike Readman, just one. A rebuild of the first one destroyed in the earthquakes.

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  13. Daigotsu (450 comments) says:

    Think of all the extra jobs that could be created if that green space was office buildings or factories

    But no, DPF and his “classic liberal” buddies need the poor to subsidises some nice leafy parks for them to sip cappuchino ion

    I guess the unemploued homeless who could otherwise have got jobs will at least have some nice parks to sleep in…

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  14. swan (659 comments) says:

    As long as the private sector is paying, it looks great.

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  15. J Mex (184 comments) says:

    Word cloud of the report…

    I’ve seen worse.

    http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/5530790/Chch_recovery_plan

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  16. MT_Tinman (2,985 comments) says:

    Seems fair to me Daigotsu.

    What’s your problem?

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  17. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    I think there’s some really good ideas in the plan apart from that covered stadium which plenty of people in Chch aren’t mad on.

    There will be a lot more buildings to knock over if the plan is to actually be implemented.

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  18. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    PaulL: “Stadiums in particular are likely to be a financial disaster (although the Wgtn cake tin may be an exception).”

    No, the Wellington cake tin’s no exception. It’s never been a financial success – too much debt, and too much unrealistic expectation of lucrative events to raise additional event revenue. It could have been so different, because its location is without peer.

    Hopefully Christchurch won’t make mistake of building yet another stadium – like the cake tin – that seeks to cater for multiple sports including cricket, and fails to satisfy the fans of any code. As in most NZ grounds, rugby and football spectators in the cake tin are far too far back from the action. Internationally, quality rugby / football grounds are rectangular in shape, with the front rows of seating only metres back from the sidelines and goal-lines.

    Of the major grounds in NZ, only Waikato Stadium and the new covered stadium in Dunedin have spectator views and stadium atmosphere that the All Blacks, the Warriors and the Phoenix (for example) deserve. Dunedin won’t be a financial success for different reason (the catchment’s too small for that capital expenditure), but Christchurch has a perfect opportunity to fashion a new stadium that is properly scaled to hold a decent crowd (35,000 – 40,000) while giving paying spectators the sporting experience that they deserve.

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  19. william blake (106 comments) says:

    dick brains don’t understand the difference between art and culture. that said, a health precinct, a metro sports facility and an enclosed stadium, plus green spaces (parks) to jog about in; it looks like a sports win over arts and culture again.

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  20. Nigel (508 comments) says:

    Mr Blake show me real stats to demonstrate NZ’ers participate & are involved less in sports than art & culture, then I’ll accept you have an argument re relative funding, until then I would suggest you are being unrealistic ( My reading has it around 25 hours per annum average for art & culture, vs around 100 for sports participation ).

    Regarding tonights announcement it was interesting that John Key berated the Chch Council for not pulling it’s weight funding the CBD rebuild, there are what 140k households paying rates, so 800 million is 5k give or take per household, you’d have to think John Key has a point there, though obviously the CBD is but one cost the council faces.

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  21. Mike Readman (356 comments) says:

    iMP,

    No there’s two because there’s a new performing arts precinct in a different area – east of Colombo between Gloucester and Chester.

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  22. RRM (9,435 comments) says:

    Daigotsu (322) Says:
    July 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Think of all the extra jobs that could be created if that green space was office buildings or factories

    :lol: LOL

    Ever lived in Christchurch?

    Thought not.

    There is plenty of industrial land. Unfortunately, it’s cheaper to make stuff in China as you might have noticed…? Factories employing people and making stuff in Chch were closing down even before the earthquake.

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  23. hj (6,347 comments) says:

    The deal has left former owners John Butterfield and Ian Mackenzie well cashed up. It follows their sale last year of the Westpac Canterbury Centre for $30 million (a little more than two years after buying it for $18 million on a yield of around 9%).

    The pair have been spending much of their time in Fiji where they own properties and boats, travelling, and in Mr Butterfield’s case, indulging in his helicopter flying hobby, collecting luxury cars and buying diamonds for his wife.
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=20229&cid=16&cname=Property
    ……….
    imagine if the capital gain went back into the community.

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  24. jims_whare (398 comments) says:

    I’d hate to see them get half way through building all these wonderful things and they get another 7.5 shake – be a real waste of $$$

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  25. Paulus (2,496 comments) says:

    It will be heavily tax payer subsidised for many many years, but looks great.
    Should be able to withstand other heavy shakes irrespective, as design will be modern and very expensive, to get them up to standard, but are the Council skilled enough (without Jim Anderson) to approve within a reasonable timeframe these new designs.
    I think Stadia and similar should be way back in the thinking though.

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  26. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Its a left socialist elite “Government knows best” wank fest. Get out of the way of the market and let local private people develop it as they want to.

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  27. RRM (9,435 comments) says:

    The Scorned:

    If you want to see the kind of city that a TRULY free market builds, you really ought to look to the old shanty towns in South Africa:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nGwkYCR_m8c/T6j29XoWjlI/AAAAAAAAAcA/M-GcuLIGugU/s1600/soweto.jpg

    No lefty socialist town planners, road builders or sanitation engineers telling people what to do, or raping you with Rates demands so they can squander millions on paved roads etc here.Beautiful! Every man the unfettered prince of his own little muck heap.

    Unfortunately, if you want to have any of the things that make western civilised cities better than this (plumbing, water reticulation, good roads) history has shown that you simply have to introduce some kind of planning, there is simply no other way of setting good systems shared by lots of people.

    The great fire of London is another one worth reading up about.

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  28. backster (2,076 comments) says:

    A convention centre seating 2,000. I might be wrong but I don’t think anyone planning an international convention would consider Christchurch given its’ susceptibility to seismic activity.

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  29. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Rugby was the winner on the day..Pity the poor ratepayers..and now of course the asset raiders are out in force. Nothing new here.

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  30. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Backster,

    There is already one major international convention planned for Chch in February 2013……

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  31. Paulus (2,496 comments) says:

    The events centre without Pokies ? Nah that’s Auckland.

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