Espiner on Ardern

August 9th, 2012 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

has done a profile on Jacinda Ardern for The Listener. I was one of those he interviewed for it:

Presumably Ardern will do that, too, if she wants to go all the way to the top. Blogger David Farrar believes that is possible. Yes, he’s a National supporter and National’s pollster, but he would “far rather have her leading the country than a lot of the others!” He has some words of caution, though. He believes her first-term record did not justify a No 4 placing – equivalent to Steven Joyce’s on the National benches. Farrar says if Ardern doesn’t get pushed too far too fast, she could be deputy prime minister or even prime minister one day. He chuckles at her leading the International Union of Socialist Youth because it’s so far removed from his politics. But he certainly doesn’t belittle the job. “You don’t get elected to a position like that if you are stupid – that is a seriously testing role with a lot of people involved.” Farrar says that given most of her experience has been in the state sector, she needs to broaden her horizons, be more pragmatic and learn that not all good ideas come from your own side. “If you don’t have it before you are an MP, you have to recognise your weaknesses and work hard to address that.”

All views and advice I stand by.

Ardern’s CV reads as if she has spent a lot of time thinking about a political career, although she insists she hasn’t. She worked for Helen Clark and cites the former prime minister as a major inspiration. Their early lives do share similarities. Like Clark, Ardern grew up in a small town with conservative parents. 

Ardern is like Clark in many respects.

Ardern rates Labour’s chances of regaining power in 2014 as 10 out of 10. “Look at the coalition possibilities for Labour – if we had an election tomorrow a Green-Labour coalition is a very strong prospect. 

I think this is unwise. Trevor Mallard has also said he expects Labour to win in 2014, 2017 and 2020. Claiming you are a dead cert to win can come over as arrogance.

There is every sign Ardern will one day do that. She has an honesty, a humanity and an engaging manner absent in most politicians. There is a freshness to her speech. Even when she’s grinding through the policy options on serious subjects like welfare reform or child poverty, the hint of a smile is there. This doesn’t undermine her credibility, but it lightens and lifts her above the hectoring bores who chew up time on digital recorders. It is late afternoon now. The cafe is preparing for the evening crowd and the quiet spot in the corner is under threat. It’s time to go.

Final question: how would she like to be remembered when her political career is over? “Can I say two things?” she says, not waiting for an answer. There’s a long list of policy goals. “I won’t bore you with all of them but broadly they are around wellbeing of kids and families. But ultimately I think I would just like to be remembered as someone who has integrity.” Wherever the journey takes her, it seems certain she will achieve that.

Time will tell. If Grant becomes leader, most people assume she will become the deputy to her former PM’s Office colleague. Clark staffers would be Leader, Deputy and Chief Whip!

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80 Responses to “Espiner on Ardern”

  1. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Have your passports ready for the dreadful day when this gang of incompetent socialists gain political power.

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  2. Pete George (23,326 comments) says:

    Hopefully she fulfills her integrity goal, and adds some value to future Labour governments.

    “Look at the coalition possibilities for Labour – if we had an election tomorrow a Green-Labour coalition is a very strong prospect.

    She may be 10/10 confident about winning in 2014, but she has, like Labour generally, set a low goal. At this stage of the term, with over two years until the election, they are not aiming for any sort of Labour win.

    They openly hope, not just suggesting it as a possibility, for a Labreen win.

    I wonder when they will settle for a Grebour win being good enough.

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  3. Pongo (371 comments) says:

    Christ it’s tragic that her and Robertson are the future of the labour party.

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  4. dubya (224 comments) says:

    Not a fan, she reminds me of Ja’mie King from Summer Heights High. Except not as attractive or as perceptive of the poor.

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  5. davidp (3,557 comments) says:

    She couldn’t convince Auckland Central voters to elect her, and that is a natural Labour seat. How does that lack of local appeal translate to the national stage?

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  6. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    Ardern is not stupid, but like her mentor Clark, has never had a real job, working alongside the ‘working class’ she professes to support. Professional politicians who enter parliament at such a young age worry me (whatever their political hue). All we need is more idealism and ideological cant…

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  7. hmmokrightitis (1,571 comments) says:

    “Ardern is like Clark in many respects.” Yeah, smiled at that particular comment.

    Ms Ardern should remember that seeking out stories from biased joe public and trumpeting them through the press, whilst not giving a shit for her constituents after the fact might be seen by some as shonky opportunism.

    [Deleted by DPF]

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  8. Grendel (972 comments) says:

    of course she is smiling, she probably cannot believe the ridiculously high salary she has managed to finagle with no apparent talent or effort other than being the right socialist in the right place.

    She has pretty much ‘risen without a trace’. and shows the hubris that comes with being told how great you are all the time. who tells someone in their 20s they are a future PM and lets them beleive it?

    she has worked some ‘hard’ jobs knifing other comrades for cushy office type jobs, all the time getting paid massively so she can talk about the plight of the poor working class (an irony none of them seem to get). there are people actually working hard jobs who actually have to work, who will never come close to her salary, simply becuase she studied the right subjects, schmoozed the right people and was pretty enough at the right time.

    and yet still whinges that she cannot afford to buy a 900K house in the area of auckland she wants.

    Gareth Hughes has the same hubris, and hes actually managed to do less in his life than ardern.

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  9. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    If Robertson and Ardern are representative of the future, then the situation for Labour is much more dire that I had first thought.

    Imagine that – an unctuous homosexual and a yet another childless silver spoon-fed spinster who have never had real jobs in their entire lives . . and aside from student politics, involvement in subversive left-wing activist groups, operating as spin doctors for the former PM and cushy, politically appointed roles attaching themselves to the public teat, the pair of them have nothing whatsoever in common with mainstream NZ workers and families.

    Both of them are a facsimile of the stereotypical Grey Lynn or Wellington beltway pseudo-liberal chattering classes.

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  10. lastmanstanding (1,241 comments) says:

    Shes over rated lacks any real world experience and is all socialist theory. Lloyd and Grendel are both right. A career pollie self interested self centred and self obsessed.

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  11. KiwiGreg (3,218 comments) says:

    “She worked for Helen Clark and cites the former prime minister as a major inspiration. ”

    Let us hope she NEVER gets anywhere near real power in New Zealand. One wicked witch was one too many.

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  12. Pete George (23,326 comments) says:

    @Urban Redneck: If Robertson and Ardern are representative of the future, then the situation for Labour is much more dire that I had first thought.

    If you take ‘those who should be retired’ out of their list of MPs who would you rate better of the new breed? I’m not talking absolute quality, just relative to what is there.

    It’s the reality of the situation.

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  13. RRM (9,661 comments) says:

    The sky will fall! The sky will fall! Sothialithths!

    Jesus Christ, I’m glad the majority of voters are normal people and not politics enthusiasts…

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  14. UpandComer (523 comments) says:

    She’s never had a job. She doesn’t know anything about anything real. Why should a westcoast Labourite vote for her, other then because she is attractive compared to Helen Clark.

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  15. Chris2 (768 comments) says:

    When I read that she was being touted as a future PM it reminded me of a Time magazine article I read some 30 years ago that proclaimed Jim Anderton would be a future world leader!

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  16. simonway (375 comments) says:

    At this stage of the term, with over two years until the election, they are not aiming for any sort of Labour win.

    15 years of MMP elections has demonstrated that coalitions are how things work these days. Nobody is going to get an outright majority. Talking about that would just be silly.

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  17. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    This just goes to show how much the political chattering class live in their own unreal fantasy world.

    There’s a long list of policy goals. “I won’t bore you with all of them but broadly they are around wellbeing of kids and families. But ultimately I think I would just like to be remembered as someone who has integrity.”

    This sounds like the political bimbo’s rhetorical equivalent of a beauty queen saying she wants to “promote world peace”.

    This ridiculous, childless creature is actually promoting homosexuality to our young

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  18. Pete George (23,326 comments) says:

    simonway – I agree, but there’s a difference betweeen:
    - “we’ll get as many seats as possible and see who we can form a coalition with”
    and
    - “Labour+Green and we’ll see if we have to use anyone else”.

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  19. beautox (436 comments) says:

    Socialist Cindy is yet another left winger who’s best paid job(s) ever are those sucking the taxpayer teat. I think a good rule for MPs pay is that they are paid at the rate of their previous non-taxpayer funded job.

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  20. DJP6-25 (1,310 comments) says:

    Most of these Labour/Greens politicians are good advertisements for term limits. Five threee year terms for all elected politicians. The same for all civil servants. That way, the political class will eventually comprise people who have real world experience. When they’re in office, they’ll know it’s only temporary. So their outlook will be different. Same for civil servants.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  21. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Sorry DPF, I find Arden singularly unappealing as a politician. She comes across as a lightweight, arrogant Ms.

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  22. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Some of the comments on this post reflect poorly on the way Neolib men view women. So just a quick reminder, it is the 21st Century.

    Jacinda is a high quality person and politician, she will obviously be prime minister one day. I predict she will be a long-term prime mister like Helen.

    I think you Neolibs have more pressing concerns, like who will be left standing after the Joyce/Collins/Parata cage fight.

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  23. Cactus Kate (549 comments) says:

    For heavens sake spare us
    Ardern was too thick to even realize you need a visa to work in the US and for that you need skills over locals.
    Couldn’t get a job there so probably turned up twice to a soup kitchen and served the poor
    That’s the extent of rubbing shoulders with them
    Now wants a million dollar villa in Grey Lynn as her first home
    Damien OConnors daughter at this point looks a better choice to be PM under Labour
    Least she has the courage to call her old man a dinosaur

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  24. UpandComer (523 comments) says:

    that’s right it is the 21st century – so it is a reasonable expectation to want a politician to have actually had a job, once, in their life, even if it is a woman Hamnida. She’s never lifted a haybale, worked in retail, been a professional, done anything other then wank (figuratively speaking) political theory inside the labour party un-reality bubble – it’s a shame because I agree she probably is a nice person and is intelligent. She also has some teeth on her.

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  25. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Cactus Kate – I thought you had disappeared along with Melissa Lee.

    Many factual errors:

    1. She has never said she wants a million dollar villa in Grey Lynn as her first home. She made a more general comment about urban house prices in Auckland being high.

    2. She participates in an annual Auckland-based event where you live on the streets for a night. The idea is to raise money for the homeless.

    3. I think you have confused the U.S with the U.K, in any case you are incorrect.

    4. O’Connors daughter is not running for office.

    Are you standing for ACT in the 2014 election?

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  26. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    UpAndComer – No surprises in your use of language. Grow up.

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  27. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    Hamneggs
    Says”Grow up”
    Some one that labels all on the right neolib then bleats on about how liberals are more intelligent than the right
    Neo new + Lib liberal = New Liberal Duh
    No wonder you are a lefty hamneggs you have just enough brains not to eat your self.

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  28. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    Grendel ( 2:42 ) Re Gareth Hughes – I don’t think thats true. He has probably achieved a massive airpoints total at least.

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  29. Cactus Kate (549 comments) says:

    Hammida

    She’s got a degree from Waikato in Comm studies. To get a work visa in most countries you have to prove you can do the job better than a local. That degree will not suffice.
    She told Guyon she couldn’t afford a house in Grey Lynn. In introduction.
    Yes she participated in that and slept in a mat next to her labour party mates not the true homeless.
    No, was in US. Read her bio.
    Nikki Kaye is a far superior option for Akl central. Jacinda’s crowning achievement has been insulting Hamilton. When she’s from Morrinsville. Being from Cambridge myself I have the humility required not to knock the larger cousin.

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  30. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I use Neolibs to describe Neoliberals, not traditional conservatives or liberals.

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  31. RandySavage (202 comments) says:

    dear old vapid and worthless Cactus kate your vitriol as usual points for the bleachers but ultimately foul balls

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  32. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Bio says she grew up in Murupara, not Morrinsville.

    Bio also says worked in London, only a short voluntary stint in New York.

    Haven’t read the full Guyon article, but given your record I’ll assume you’re wrong or only 15% correct.

    Still holding out that Melissa Lee will be PM?

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  33. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    “I use Neolibs to describe Neoliberals, not traditional conservatives or liberals.”

    New = neo Duh

    The paper you often quote says liberals are smarter than conservatives. It does not specify wot shade of liberal you are.
    You could be a Anarcho-capitalism, Classical, Democratic, Green, Libertarian, Market, National, Neo, Ordo, Paleo, Radical
    Religious or Social liberal

    Have you had dinner?

    Remember not to chomp on things attached to your body :lol:

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  34. Cactus Kate (549 comments) says:

    H
    You do know where Murupara actually is? Oh of course not. Ditto Morrinsville for her schooling.
    Read Guyon article. Pathetic to even discuss it til you have. Will require a short span of attention so you should be ok. First few paragraphs will suffice.
    Voluntary as she couldn’t be paid. You ever travelled overseas to work? Of course not.

    Randy
    Why don’t you rename yourself at least to a wrestler who is alive? Suspect you are old enough to even be Farrars father.

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  35. UpandComer (523 comments) says:

    Some University student who read ‘The spirit level’ studies a degree even more worthless then Jacindas (politics major) and blurts ‘neoliberal’ at anything that he doesn’t understand, needs to grow up (Hamnida).

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  36. bringbackdemocracy (416 comments) says:

    DJP6-25 says “Five three year terms for all elected politicians”

    Has Winston done Five terms by now?

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  37. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Ardern is like Clark in many respects.

    Of course she is. Ardern is Hulun’s daughter she never had just as Hughes was her son. How do you think Ardern got the international socialists job? It certainly helps if you’ve got Unky Vlad [Putin] to give you a push.

    She’s a Hulun clone and you just watch her transmogrify accordingly as she walks in the feet of her master.

    The only mystery left open to me is, will she come out of the closet or will she follow her master down the route of concealment as well?

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  38. Alan Johnstone (1,082 comments) says:

    Didn’t she work in the cabinet office in London. That’s just from memory of seeing an interview.

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  39. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    “transmogrify”
    Reid will she end up looking like the harpy as well ?
    I think im gona puke

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  40. duggledog (1,439 comments) says:

    So who will be Peter Davis? Suggestions please

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  41. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Finlay MacDonald fucked the Listener when he was editor, that was when it became a 98% ra ra for labour.

    reading the third quoted paragraph its like something Brian Edwards wrote regarding Dear Leader, i.e drivel

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  42. tom hunter (4,564 comments) says:

    She has pretty much ‘risen without a trace’. and shows the hubris that comes with being told how great you are all the time.

    Oh My God – she’s an albino, female Obama!

    That should add even more luster to lefties faith in her, for look at how successful Obama has been!

    You do know where Murupara actually is?

    Oh God (covers eyes while laughing). As I said on the “Labour Tensions” thread about Hamnida – Core-Of-The-Earth dumb!

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  43. Steve (North Shore) (4,522 comments) says:

    Ardern Jacinda, Secretary-General of the United Nations.

    Gotta start somewhere kissing arse

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  44. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Hamnida I note you often use the term neoliberal or neolib. Please could you define precisely what you mean, as I am of the view that neoliberals are primarily proponents of a particular school of economic thought, rather than anti women as you seem to imply, but then perhaps my world view is a broader one than yours.

    Please also explain why you think Ms Ardern is a high quality person? What evidence, if any, can you advance in support of that statement? What equips Ms Ardern to be a future Prime Minister of NZ?

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  45. UpandComer (523 comments) says:

    Hamnida needs to go to more of his lectures – I think the Politics major is mixing up ‘neoliberal’ with ‘neoconservative’ a lot. He also doesn’t seem to understand that ‘neoliberal’ doesn’t really fit the national party. Neo-liberalism was really solidified as a concept by Tony Blair, the Labour Prime Minister of da UK. Hamnida needs to go and work in a cafe.

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  46. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Neo-liberalism was really solidified as a concept by Tony Blair, the Labour Prime Minister of da UK

    Yes I told Hamnida exactly that a few weeks ago UaC but he didn’t seem to take it on board, for some reason. I think it was because I didn’t insult him quite enough at the time since in my experience that’s the lubrication that seems to help people take these sorts of things on board, in my experience, but that’s only my opinion.

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  47. tom hunter (4,564 comments) says:

    Hamnida needs to go to more of his lectures

    As I said to PaulL the other day, that’s giving way too much credit.

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  48. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    It is ironic someone calling himself Adam Smith thinks I should define Neolib.

    I have defined it so many times now I am bored. In fact, it was through its constant use that I shortened Neoliberal to Neolib.

    Here is my last and only shot at trying to define Neoliberalism for you Neolibs – Neoliberalsim is a wide-reaching economic theory based on the deregulation of markets and the privatisation of public assets. Neoliberals believe in individuality over collectivism. Neoliberals defend their policies by saying they free people from the shackles of government regulation and say wealth will ‘trickle-down’ to poorer citizens. Examples of Neoliberal policies in action were seen under Ronald Regan in the U.S, Margaret Thatcher in the U.K, and the Fourth Labour Government in NZ. Neoliberals have failed in their goals because income disparity and inequality have risen in countries where the policies have been adopted. Countries that rejected Neoliberalism have increased their standing in OECD indicators during the same period.

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  49. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    No doubt about it – shes as arrogant and as ignorant as clark.

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  50. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Adam Smith – I think Jacinda Ardern is a high quality person because she cares about others and wants to make a difference to lives of underprivileged New Zealanders. I believe Jacinda will have policies that are focussed on children, families and closing income disparity in New Zealand. Jacinda is the type of person you could trust to work in the best interest of New Zealanders, especially the vulnerable. Even if you don’t like Jacinda’s policies, she is still an awesome person who believes in a New Zealand for everyone, not just the wealthy few.

    I mean, who would you trust – Jacinda or a junk bond dealer?

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  51. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Cactus Kate – I can’t be blamed for your factual errors. I don’t read everything John Key’s drinking buddies write.

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  52. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Griff – if you read the the full paper, not just the executive summary, you can see a more detailed definition of liberal and conservative. Basically, they are framed in American terms – Liberal = Democrat, Conservative = Republican.

    I guess unlike most people who post here, I can back up my arguments with peer reviewed journal articles.

    I know it must hurt you Neolibs to have low IQs, but better face it now than at the grave.

    Was someone seriously trying to suggest McCain/Palin or Romney are more capable than Obama? Micky mouse ideals. The election will be over early in the evening after Obama takes Florida.

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  53. jocko (111 comments) says:

    Jacinda Adern? No. Hardly. As the dark horse & potentially the ‘annointed one’; ambitious to succeed in H1′s shoes is Rebekah Campbell.
    Has real world experience too. You read it here. Watch that space!

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  54. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    Shit hamineggs “and the Fourth Labour Government in NZ.”
    Dont you think you should trot of to the no standards and accuse them of being neolibs

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  55. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Griff – fairs fair. Labour started it in NZ so they cop the blame.

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  56. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Campbell describes herself as Australian.

    Maybe we could swap her for John Key.

    I think Muldoon had a famous quote about sending people like Key to Australia.

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  57. Griff (6,995 comments) says:

    I have read it long ago conservative = republican. liberal = democrat in the USA.
    That is why I posted the political compass I am socially liberal and fiscally to the right
    The two political party’s in the states would be far right in NZ. You definition does not apply to politics in nz.
    Your continued assertion that liberals are more intelligent is great. Because it is obvious that you don’t you understand what liberal means. If you look at the debate over gay marriage those opposed to gay marriage are conservative those for it liberal
    You will find those views in both labour and national. Its one thing to point to papers its another if the paper means the inverse of what you maintain. It just makes you look stupid something that you are proving to be very adept at.

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  58. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Exactly why I use the term Neolib, not liberal or conservative.

    I’m not saying they’re aren’t conservatives and liberals in both Labour and National, quite the opposite. Just compare Clayton Cosgrove or Mike Moore to Katherine Rich or Chris Finlayson.

    The way you describe yourself is the opposite of Winston Peters.

    What I am saying is Neoliberalism has failed New Zealand.

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  59. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    It would take a certain type of Neolib to sink this low:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7448686/Key-to-miss-soldiers-funeral

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  60. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Give Helen a call Hambone. She was always pretty keen to appear at these occasions if she thought there was a buck in it. :)

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  61. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Hamnida

    Do keep up. shoot over to GD and its all explained there. And a sad case like yourself will have forgotten that when the PM attended the funeral of the Airforce helicopter Pilot who ran into a hill in Wellington whom he knew personally he was criticised by sad fucks like yourself for making it a political event, so please fuck off, you’re trolling and it involves two servicemens deaths, offensive actually

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  62. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Cactus – Read Guyon’s article – admitted to putting words in her mouth re: Grey Lynn. 0/3 on telling the truth is not a high score.

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  63. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Fuck off!! Well said PEB. :)

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  64. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay – I am sure we can both agree that the PM should be there. I can’t remember when a PM didn’t attend an event as important as this. What a disgusting human being.

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  65. RightNow (6,841 comments) says:

    Best typo of the day goes to Hamnida
    “I predict she will be a long-term prime mister like Helen.”

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  66. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    That was a word play, not a typo.

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  67. RightNow (6,841 comments) says:

    Oh I see, you’re a hypocrite.

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  68. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Well Hambone even a dumbarse leftie like you has to admit that JK fronts up to Waitangi Day unlike some other ugly gap toothed creature whose name escapes me at present.

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  69. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    You are a disgusting human being Hamnida you won’t get any argument from me.

    I’m pretty sure he didn’t attend the last two combat deaths either, he just met with the families in private so the events were not politicized, but Shearer and all the rest of the labour fuck wits will tag along and encroach on the families grief, but they won’;t care, its a photo in the paper.

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  70. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Waitangi Day – I always like the bit where mud gets chucked in his face. Hopefully next year it’s a big cow terd. I wonder what 2015 has in store for Joyce.

    There are just some things you have to do as PM. I don’t think this will be good for the already historically low levels of morale in the armed forces.

    I hope for the sake of the families, the PM changes his mind on this one.

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  71. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    That’s turd not terd you dumbarse socialist fuck.

    National standards are really becoming seriously overdue! :)

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  72. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    You Neolibs are not very good a picking word plays.

    Maybe you should go back to your small to medium sized businesses and Halensteins polo shirts.

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  73. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    That’s “Hallensteins” retard! :)

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  74. UpandComer (523 comments) says:

    Hamnida is a skux Victoria Uni pols student – he no doubt wears expensive faux ‘retro’ hipster gears from Country Road, maybe the odd G star statement item, High Cut Chuck type footwear or boots, paid for from his student allowance – in short he is a fashionista who knows he has to pull the hipster image to fit with his ostentantious ‘intellectualism’. He probably hangs out at Fidels discussing how useless John Key is, and how evil ‘capitalism’ is, loudly.

    Bro, go smoke some more durries while you discuss all that ‘deep’ inequality stuff with the other children and after that, jump onto student job search and find a nice cleaning job. It will improve the quality of your arguments, and definitely make you superior to Jacinda Ardern.

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  75. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    UpandComer – You couldn’t have me more wrong. I hate hipsters and hipster fashion. Interesting you think Country Road is hipster, I would have described it as Australian Conservative.

    I shop at Munns.

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  76. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    I shop at Munns.

    Oh dear.

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  77. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    You shop there too? Everything you need in one place.

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  78. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    It’s pretty sad to attack John Key for attending his sons game representing New Zealand! He has met with the families personally and they would have appreciated it. Family is important to some New Zealanders and being the son of someone who works the crazy hours John Key does would mean he misses out on a lot of quality time. The fact that you find this disgusting just show’s you for the pathetic, immature waste of space you obviously are. You should also come up with an different taunt from neolib since you don’t actually know what most peoples poltics are and assuming just makes you look ignorant.

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  79. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Hamnida

    many thanks for confirming that you agree that a neoliberal expounds a particular brand of economic thought. Therefore please explain why you think that makes neo liberaals anti woemn as you stated in your comment yesterday.

    In addition whilst grateful for your comments re the character of Ms Ardern you did not advance any empirical evidence, rather you simply stated impressions and assertions therefore as yet you have not, at least in my view, given me any reason whatsoever to think Ms Ardern is anything but a apparatchik and an over rated one at that.

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  80. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Neolib policy has clearly damaged woman – less regulated labour market, longer working hours, less time with family, two income households, privitised health care. The list goes on.

    Another way of viewing Jacinda is to ask what’s there not to like? I can’t think of anything.

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