The real presidential debate

October 10th, 2012 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Much better than the actual presidential debate is this one between Bill O’Reilly and .
Hat Tip: Brian Edwards

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65 Responses to “The real presidential debate”

  1. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    gorrrrrrne!!!

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  2. tom hunter (4,730 comments) says:

    NOT PC had this up yesterday as well – and I got the same result as I did here: This video has been removed by the user.

    I probably was not missing much. The title that NOT PC put on it was funny but probably quite an accurate reflection of both men’s arguments: Big Government vs. Bigger Government

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  3. KiwiGreg (3,246 comments) says:

    It just wasnt very funny to me.

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  4. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    BTW O’Reilly is a centrist and an embarrassment.

    Jon Stewart would be too cowardly to debate a smart and funny conservative like Mark Steyn or Jonah Goldberg.

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  5. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    Sonny Blount is right.

    O’Reilly is an unctuous bore and Stewart is a typical smug narcisstic liberal without a real answer to any question and with an adoring fan base made up of braindead liberals who laff uproariously at every attempt at a joke even when the premises for those “jokes” are always completely skewed.

    Steyn or Goldberg would make Stewart look like the complete and utter fool he really is. So would Mark Levin, but Stewart is too frightened to engage with any real Conservative. He knows he would be exposed as a far left light weight.

    I watched the whole so called debate while on the treadmill and I am sorry I did.

    It was a painful shambling nonsense with the only bright spot being the moderator E D Hill who is probably smarter than both the idiot main draw cards.

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  6. bij (66 comments) says:

    “but Stewart is too frightened to engage with any real Conservative.”

    well you clearly watch the Daily show quite often. (/sarc).

    or is this a ‘no true Scotsman’ argument?

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  7. somewhatthoughtful (464 comments) says:

    I paid for it and the f’n servers went down. grrrr (only $5 USD but y’know, I had to switch over from the americas cup for it).

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  8. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Sonny Blunt & Redbaiter:
    If you watched “The Daily Show” (no doubt you won’t) you would know that Jon Stewart isn’t afraid to take on anyone. You can call him many things (no doubt you will) but cowardly isn’t one of them.
    The guy is a legend and his show is pure genius. It’s a shame we don’t have anyone like him or a show like his in New Zealand.

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  9. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Well, it got Red all riled up, so it must be pretty good.
    Kinda also proves that the fringe hard right have no sense of humour whatsoever.

    You can download it here, it’s only $5 and goes to a good cause, well worth it.

    http://www.therumble2012.com/index.html

    @somewhatthoughtful if you already paid, I think you can download it anyway.

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  10. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    “The guy is a legend and his show is pure genius.”

    John Stewart, real name Jonathan Leibowitz, is a shallow puke inducing progressive and his show (like Letterman’s, another similarly nauseating liberal) is Lollies and Pepsi for the kiddies.

    (But then I’ve never been a fan of stand up comedy, and even less so since the left have made it more of a political tool than entertainment.)

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  11. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Well, Red, as I said, no sense of humour whatsoever. ;-)

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  12. RRM (9,832 comments) says:

    There’s only one political tool here Wedbaiter.

    Yours must be a truly miserable existence, I can’t imagine going through life hating everything…

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  13. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Your comment @ 10.12 Redbaiter shows you haven’t even watched “The Daily Show” (not critically anyway)
    You compare Jon Stewart to Letterman! Seriously?
    The Daily Show and The Late Show (Letterman) aren’t even in the same ballpark. They are two completely different shows aimed at two completely different audiences.
    Oh and what’s the point of saying his real name is Jonathan Leibowitz?

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  14. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    Actually, I did get something from the show, and that is a realization that I had far too generous an opinion of that fucking idiot O’Reilly, as it further occurred to me that gutless compromisers like O’Reilly are giving the left a legitimacy they don’t really deserve.

    O’reilly describes himself as a “Centrist” but the reality is with his regard for and frequent defense of Obama he is a left winger in disguise.

    By trying to curry favour with the left 50% of the time, the self described “centrist” O’Reilly only gives political traction to destructive ideas and people that should really be ignored. (or at least confronted for what they really are)

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  15. RRM (9,832 comments) says:

    O’reilly describes himself as a “Centrist” but the reality is with his regard for and frequent defense of Obama he is a left winger in disguise.

    Now you’re just showing how twisted and obsessed you truly are Weddy.

    The whole thing about being “centre” is that you’re NOT tribal left or tribal right, covering “the enemy” in shit all the time isn’t compulsory… You wouldn’t understand.

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  16. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    “Steyn or Goldberg would make Stewart look like the complete and utter fool he really is. So would Mark Levin, but Stewart is too frightened to engage with any real Conservative.”

    Here’s Jon Stewart interviewing/debating Jonah Goldberg on the Daily Show back in 2003: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-25-2003/jonah-goldberg. And here’s him doing it again in 2008: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-16-2008/jonah-goldberg

    Just for good measure, here’s him with Rand Paul (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-3-2012/rand-paul), Ron Paul (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-26-2011/exclusive—ron-paul-extended-interview-pt–1) and Grover Norquist (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-12-2012/exclusive—grover-norquist-extended-interview—pt–1).

    None of whom, please note, can be a “real Conservative” according to reddie’s definition above.

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  17. RRM (9,832 comments) says:

    Oh and Jon Stewart is a good, competent comic, and no doubt a bright guy, but to say he is a “genius” is a bit much IMHO…

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  18. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    Coming on the Daily Show to tout yr book is not a debate. I have yet to see Jon Stewart do a 90 min spot with Goldberg.

    If you saw John Yoo when he was on he completely defused Stewart. And I am still waiting for Mark Steyn or Richard Epstein to be invited on and actually engaged in a substantive discussion, sitting politicians or lobbyists are a much easier proposition than those guys.

    I like Stewarts show and watch it a lot. But the guy is certainly a weak thinker on substantive issues and prefers to take poorly thought out pot shots from a liberal perspective.

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  19. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    RRM – I said “The Daily Show” is pure genius, not Jon Stewart. Although Jon Stewart is very much the frontman of the show, there is also a very talented group of ‘reporters’ (other comedians) who come up with some great stuff. My absolute favourite was when a reporter went to the Republican conference and went up to all these politicians who had just waxed lyrical about capitalism and the free-market and pointed out to them that the states that they represented were effectively welfare beneficiaries because they were receiving more money from the government (ie taxpayer) then they were paying in taxes. Not only that, but it was the so-called ‘liberal’ states that were keeping the US economy ticking as they were the best performers financially. The segment finished with a group of them setting up a fake business where they closed down the states that were under-performing.
    Not only was the segment laugh out loud funny, it pointed out the hypocracy of capitalists who quite happy to praise capitalism and yet expect government bail-outs at the same time. Now that was pure genius!

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  20. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    Liebowitz is a complete fraud who uses weak attempts at humour to distract from the fact that he (like most liberals) really doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about.

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  21. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    “Coming on the Daily Show to tout yr book is not a debate. I have yet to see Jon Stewart do a 90 min spot with Goldberg.”

    No wonder. How funny would that be? Jon Stewart is, after all (drum roll please) a comedian who has a show on (drum roll please) Comedy Central. Can we keep that in mind, just to put things in perspective?

    “I like Stewarts show and watch it a lot. But the guy is certainly a weak thinker on substantive issues and prefers to take poorly thought out pot shots from a liberal perspective.”

    Right. Because (assumedly) you find some entertainment value in it – and providing that entertainment is his job. Which is why he engages in a “Rumble in the Air Conditioned Auditorium” with Bill O’Reilly (in which his first comment is “My friend Bill O’Reilly is full of shit”), and not “Serious Policy Debates of Deeply Wonkish Nature” with whatever your favourite conservative thinker of the moment happens to be .

    My point – my sole point – is that reddie’s claims that Stewart avoids any interchange with “real conservatives” is a load of hogwash … not that Stewart somehow represents the apotheosis of enlightened discourse on all things.

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  22. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    And bc goes on to show that he is even thicker than Jon Stewart and certainly lacking the braincells to declare anyone a genius.

    1. Attendees at the RNC are not directly responsible for what federal money is going to which states.

    2. A Conservative wants a smaller government because they understand that politicians from all sides will provide favours to special interest groups, they want to reduce power for Republicans as well as Democrats.

    3. No serious Conservative is advocating for no government or no transfer payments, you are putting words in their mouths that you would prefer they had said.

    Did you see Peter Schiffs questions to Democrat Convention attendees bc?

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  23. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    “Liebowitz is a complete fraud who uses weak attempts at humour to distract from the fact that he (like most liberals) really doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about.”

    Anyone else finding it amusing that reddie is poking the borax at Jon Stewart for using a nom-de-scene? I know reddie isn’t, because he doesn’t like humour.

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  24. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    “it pointed out the hypocracy of capitalists who quite happy to praise capitalism and yet expect government bail-outs at the same time”

    You poor fool.

    These people Liebowitz categorises as “capitalists” are in reality crony capitalists, and true Conservatives are aware of and have as much distaste for this practice as anyone.

    The Liebowitz doesn’t know this is an example of what I’m talking about when I say he’s a progressive whose POV is almost always wrongly premised. The man is a politically one dimensional fuckwit.

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  25. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    So AG you are claiming that Stewart has no impact on political discourse or desire to impact political discourse?

    I would say that other than Bill Maher, Jon Stewart is the most politically motivated comedian in American. And his sympathies lie with the left. And he has created with his show a more effective means to shape political dialogue for stupid people than almost any serious political opinion show.

    Btw AG. Bill O’Reilly is not a comedian so why did Stewart choose him? Goldberg and Steyn both do humorous entertainment and you would think would suit the format better? Or is a hapless conservative caricature part of Stewarts format? – in that case O’Reilly is the right guy.

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  26. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Sonny,

    Of course he has an impact. And he may well want to have an impact. That isn’t the point. The point is that he IS A COMEDIAN, and so complaining that he isn’t living up to some idealised level of intellectual debate with your particular intellectual heroes of the moment is a bit silly. Or, rather, it’s like attacking Clint Eastwood for not going on stage at the RNC and engaging in a highly technical critique of the specifics in the Democrat’s proposals to reduce the federal deficit. Instead of talking to an empty chair. Which was, as it happens, quite funny.

    Oh … and btw, Sonny? O’Reilly called Stewart and proposed the debate … go check the record. So perhaps you should be asking, why (and for what) is O’Reilly seeking to use Stewart? Takes two to tango, and all that … . Or, perhaps, just possibly (drum roll please) they like each other and thought it would be fun to do (as well as raise money for charity)? I mean, is that REALLY so impossible to believe?

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  27. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Wow, Sonny Blunt lighten up – it’s just a comedy show!!

    Redbaiter, I notice that you continue to use Jon Stewart’s real name. What’s the reason for this?
    Oh by the way George Bush didn’t seem to have much ‘distaste’ for the ‘crony capitalists’ when two months before the election it was all on to use taxpayers money to bail-out the American banking industry. These ‘crony capitalists’ were quite happy to pay themselves huge bonuses with American taxpayers dollars and fly themselves up to Washington in private jets holding out their hands for more.

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  28. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    bc-

    That you apparently expect me to defend George Bush against charges involving crony capitalism is yet another example of your complete ignorance of my political stance or perhaps of what Conservatism really is. (like Liebowitz)

    I’m not coming from the same direction as the Republicans, whom I regard as little better than the Democrats in respect of being totally fucked by the incremental infiltration of socialists and progressives. Like National in NZ.

    Conservatism is something new to you obviously, but its actually an age old philosophy that is mainly recognised (among its believers) as being the best antidote to tyranny. Therefore it does not uphold but rather emphatically rejects the idea of corporates doing deals with governments. (which some would call socialism but others may call it fascism)

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  29. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Fair enough redbaiter, I’d have a hard time trying to defend George Bush too. And I totally agree with your stance towards what you refer to as ‘crony capitalists’ I call them hypocrites (as well as a few other adjectives!)
    And I’m still interested in why you keep calling Jon Stewart by his real name of Liebowitz.

    @Sonny Blunt: If we have to use the terms ‘left’ and ‘right’ it is probably true that Jon Stewart is left-leaning. Certainly when Bush was president he really got stuck into him, but hey it’s George Bush – what more needs to be said! But since Obama has become president he also mocks him too. I think he just looks for political stupidity – maybe more of it comes from the Republicans??

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  30. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    AG, I don’t require Stewart to live up to some heights on intellectual debate. But I am perfectly entitled to call him a political hack and point out that many people are misled by his show and this is one of his goals.

    Many comedians straddle different spheres and Stewart is also a political commentator, being a comedian does not innoculate him from having his political commentary judged.

    I am quite aware that the relationship suits O’Reilly and he is pursuing it. But it is also rather obvious that Stewart has not fostered relationships with other conservatives who are smarter and funnier than O’Reilly. It is a reflection of both men that this is their ambition.

    bc, I take your comment as conceding that I am quite correct in identifying Stewart as a not very smart political hack as well as being a decent comedian.

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  31. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Sonny, I don’t know enough about the finer details of US politics to know how smart Jon Stewart is politically. But when he interviews US politicians he can seem to hold up his end of the political debate so I can only assume he knows enough about politics. So I would disagree with your comment saying he is a “not very smart political hack”.
    Regardless, I’m sure Jon Stewart would consider himself a comedian first and a ‘political hack’ second. After all, he has had comedic roles in non-political movies, and he has given no indication that he wants to move into politics.

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  32. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (1,075) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    The man is a politically one dimensional fuckwit.

    Oh, the irony!

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  33. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    After all, he has had comedic roles in non-political movies, and he has given no indication that he wants to move into politics.

    But that is exactly what he has done, not pursued the acting career and stuck with political commentary.

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  34. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Sonny,

    Of course you are “perfectly entitled to call him a political hack and point out that many people are misled by his show and this is one of his goals”. Just as I’m perfectly entitled to suggest you need to lighten up a whole lot and just treat the Daily Show for what it is – a piss take of contemporary political issues AND NOT THE NEWS OR AN ACADEMIC SALON!!!! My goodness – if Jon Stewart openly doing his schtick gets your panties this tangled up, then you must have to spend a fortune on new underwear!

    But I can’t leave this without making one last point: “it is also rather obvious that Stewart has not fostered relationships with other conservatives who are smarter and funnier than O’Reilly”. How dare – DARE – he not be friends with people that Sonny thinks are more deserving of Sonny’s admiration! I mean, really!! Doesn’t he understand the responsibility he owes to … whom, exactly?

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  35. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    ut when he interviews US politicians he can seem to hold up his end of the political debate so I can only assume he knows enough about politics. So I would disagree with your comment saying he is a “not very smart political hack”.

    Well you are welcome to disagree, but unfortunately you are wrong. Stewart is not able to hold up coherent arguments and keeps to formats where this is least exposed.

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  36. RRM (9,832 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (1,075) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    The man is a politically one dimensional fuckwit.

    :shock: I think I’m going to print that out and frame it.

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  37. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    And I am wrong why exactly – because you say so?
    As AG says, it’s a show! It’s on COMEDY Central, not CNN.

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  38. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Sonny,

    Somehow you’ve gone from claiming “I like Stewarts show and watch it a lot” to calling Stewart “a political hack” and “point[ing] out that many people are misled by his show”, while also claiming “Stewart is not able to hold up coherent arguments”.

    So – remind us again – just what is it that you like about Stewart’s show and why do you watch it so much? Because the latter Sonny sure don’t sound much like the early Sonny. So different, in fact, that one can’t help wonder if you aren’t arguing yourself into a position you don’t really believe.

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  39. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    You should sign up for http://www.conservapedia.com

    You’d be at home among there flock.

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  40. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    AG (1,419) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    Sonny,

    Of course you are “perfectly entitled to call him a political hack and point out that many people are misled by his show and this is one of his goals”. Just as I’m perfectly entitled to suggest you need to lighten up a whole lot and just treat the Daily Show for what it is – a piss take of contemporary political issues AND NOT THE NEWS OR AN ACADEMIC SALON!!!! My goodness – if Jon Stewart openly doing his schtick gets your panties this tangled up, then you must have to spend a fortune on new underwear!

    But I can’t leave this without making one last point: “it is also rather obvious that Stewart has not fostered relationships with other conservatives who are smarter and funnier than O’Reilly”. How dare – DARE – he not be friends with people that Sonny thinks are more deserving of Sonny’s admiration! I mean, really!! Doesn’t he understand the responsibility he owes to … whom, exactly?

    AG,

    The Daily Show also has political objectives. They may be subservient to their financial objectives but I expect that they are rather intertwined as much of the audience is looking for liberal political satire.

    Stewart and the Daily Show would like to swing the election to Obama and most others to Democrats, they are reasonably effective at this. He presents as true a leftist spin on facts and events such that many in his audience believe his version and ideas.

    He appears on non comedic political shows and his unable to form a cogent argument on many issues.

    Like most people, I generally find smarter, wittier, and closer to the truth to be more entertaining in both comedic and political shows.

    I find it odd that you feel so threatened by someone expressing an opinion on a political entertainment show but I think it reflects on your own low intelligence.

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  41. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Sonny Blount (1,600) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Stewart is not able to hold up coherent arguments

    More irony!
    Not as good as red, but still.

    I find it odd that you feel so threatened by someone expressing an opinion on a political entertainment show but I think it reflects on your own low intelligence.

    Oh dear, running out of things to say and resorting to ad hominems, are we now?

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  42. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    AG (1,420) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    Sonny,

    Somehow you’ve gone from claiming “I like Stewarts show and watch it a lot” to calling Stewart “a political hack” and “point[ing] out that many people are misled by his show”, while also claiming “Stewart is not able to hold up coherent arguments”.

    So – remind us again – just what is it that you like about Stewart’s show and why do you watch it so much? Because the latter Sonny sure don’t sound much like the early Sonny. So different, in fact, that one can’t help wonder if you aren’t arguing yourself into a position you don’t really believe.

    Wow.

    Avatar contains many leftist themes – I really like the movie and have watched it many times. In fact there is not a single piece of entertainment or entertainer that I entirely agree with.

    Please tell me how it is possible to live a life where you agree politically with everything you are entertained by and why you would demand this of people?

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  43. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    bc (548) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    And I am wrong why exactly – because you say so?
    As AG says, it’s a show! It’s on COMEDY Central, not CNN.

    You are quite correct, The Daily Show runs on Comedy Central. What difference does that make?

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  44. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Like most people, I generally find smarter, wittier, and closer to the truth to be more entertaining in both comedic and political shows.

    Which is probably why Jon Stewart’s show is so successful.

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  45. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    Ok AG, put these together:

    you need to lighten up a whole lot and just treat the Daily Show for what it is – a piss take of contemporary political issues AND NOT THE NEWS OR AN ACADEMIC SALON!!!!

    you’ve gone from claiming “I like Stewarts show and watch it a lot”

    Perhaps I am able to take the Daily Show for what it is?

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  46. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    eszett (1,576) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Oh dear, running out of things to say and resorting to ad hominems, are we now?

    Not very well thought out eszett.

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  47. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Yes, Sonny, clearly your posts on this topic aren’t

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  48. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Sonny,

    You do know what the definition of “ad hominem” is, right? And I assure you, I am in no way “threatened” by your views on the Daily Show – why on earth would I care? All I find slightly baffling is that you are spending so much time and energy decrying Stewart’s failure to live up to some idealised version of a political commentator, while at the same time suggesting that “Perhaps [you are] able to take the Daily Show for what it is?”

    Because that’s precisely the point. The Daily Show IS what it is – a comedic take on current political and social events. If someone like you can watch it and find it funny enough to keep coming back, then it is doing its job. And if you happen to think Stewart isn’t that good on political issues and hides from tough challenges … so what? It’s like someone watching Flight of the Conchords and saying “I like it – but really I think those guys can’t write music very well, and notice how they haven’t ever put on an opera.” To which the only response is … oh, get a grip.

    Which I also need to. Because I cannot BELIEVE I’m wasting my time on this nonsense. I’m out.

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  49. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    You sad mentally crippled lefist fuckwits and your constant allegations of irony.

    You’re just like Stewart, so lamely uninformed and ignorant about any political ideology other than socialism that you lack the ability to understand that it’s not irony and it is nothing like irony.

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  50. RRM (9,832 comments) says:

    You are correct on that count Weddy – people frequently say irony when they really mean hypocrisy.

    Pot: Oh Kettle, how black thou art…

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  51. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    You do know what the definition of “ad hominem” is, right?

    You miss the point AG. I know the meaning of ad hominem and can see the ones eszett and yourself have used earlier in the thread.

    As I said AG.

    Jon Stewart and The Daily Show do attempt to affect political discourse. They are also one of the most influential political outlets in the US. He has succeeded in increasing the amount of misinformed voters in the US.

    Jon Stewart also goes on other peoples non-comedic political shows and flails about trying to articulate his ideas.

    This is a thread about a Jon Stewart show – why shouldn’t I offer an opinion on it? You certainly have.

    You seem to be working in absolutes AG – something can be comedic and political not just one or the other. I can not like some aspects of something whilst liking others and still watch it occasionally. I think I am yet to watch anything comedic where I like all the jokes.

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  52. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Oh, FFS.

    “I know the meaning of ad hominem and can see the ones eszett and yourself have used earlier in the thread.”

    Really? Then quote them. Go on. I dare you.

    You victim, you.

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  53. kowtow (8,319 comments) says:

    Non political?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/30/thousands-expected-stewart-colbert-rally-washington/

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  54. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    “I know the meaning of ad hominem and can see the ones eszett and yourself have used earlier in the thread.”

    Really? Then quote them. Go on. I dare you.

    You victim, you.

    I wasn’t the one complaining about it AG but here you go:

    Kinda also proves that the fringe hard right have no sense of humour whatsoever.

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  55. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Sonny,

    That’s a joke, right? First up, you really think reddie would see being described as “fringe hard right” as an insult or personal attack, or ever claim to have a sense of humour? Second, you want to quote an example of MY allegedly ad hominem comments, seeing as you accused me of making them and it’s me who challenged you to put up or shut up?

    Otherwise … well, I’m afraid that you leave yourself open to being viewed either as a fraud who actually DOESN’T know what “ad hominem” means (despite calling other people thick and of low intelligence), or just a plain old garden variety liar. Not that I’M saying either of things about you. It’s just that others may think it.

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  56. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    You are correct AG.

    In going back through the thread you didn’t use one.

    I should not have added ‘and yourself’ when mentioning my reply to eszett which I thought was lame bringing up ad hominens on this thread.

    You seemed to be quite worked up and agitated here, mind explaining why?

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  57. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Just having fun, Sonny. And pointing out the weaknesses in your various arguments and claims. You don’t mind me doing so, do you? I can stop if you’d prefer. In fact … I will (as promised several comments ago).

    (Oh, hell – last little dig … it would have been classy to say “sorry”, especially as you felt the need to throw in the barb about “low intelligence”. But, I guess you aren’t that classy a guy.)

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  58. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    For the left to complain of ad hominems is the most abject and lame hypocrisy out there.

    More and more as time goes by we are seeing what the left really are, and its got to the stage now that ad hominems from them are the least of our worries. The real concern now is violence and intimidation that looks like it could be the start of something much greater in terms of threatening civil order and national security.

    I ignore left wingers complaining about my language. They themselves (especially in the US) are looking more and more like the same old violent little dirtbags that have left trails of blood dripping along their path to power in times gone by. (but not that long ago)

    As for ad hominems, FFS.. excuse me while I vomit-

    Google Stacey Dash.

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  59. Scott Chris (6,058 comments) says:

    Oh and Jon Stewart is a good, competent comic, and no doubt a bright guy, but to say he is a “genius” is a bit much IMHO…

    I have no doubt Jewboy Leibowitz is a genius as is his protege Stephen Colbert. Funniest men in America. Brilliant writers too, churning it out 4 nights a week.

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  60. Sonny Blount (1,780 comments) says:

    AG (1,424) Says:
    October 10th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    Just having fun, Sonny. And pointing out the weaknesses in your various arguments and claims. You don’t mind me doing so, do you? I can stop if you’d prefer. In fact … I will (as promised several comments ago).

    (Oh, hell – last little dig … it would have been classy to say “sorry”, especially as you felt the need to throw in the barb about “low intelligence”. But, I guess you aren’t that classy a guy.)

    Ad Hominems AG. But don’t worry, I’m not bothered by them.

    And I’m not sorry for calling you unintelligent because from your posts on this thread it is a reasonable conclusion and it is worth repeating.

    You’re dumb.

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  61. Redbaiter (8,539 comments) says:

    “You seemed to be quite worked up and agitated here, mind explaining why?”

    They all come from such narrow little urban liberal worlds they’re absolutely aghast to discover that not everyone shares their own view of their messiah Liebowitz.

    You can see them at their sidewalk tables in Ponsonby now sipping latte and whining- “I never new there were such unrefined utterly humourless people out there”.

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  62. RRM (9,832 comments) says:

    Hmm, would I want to be sitting in the sun on Ponsonby Road with a coffee?

    …or would I rather be Wedbaiter, hating the whole world and everything in it?

    Decisions, decisions! :-P

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  63. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Chardonnay, Red, Chardonnay.
    Latte is so last year. What is wrong with you?

    BTW, when was the last time you were in Ponsonby, I wonder?

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  64. Steve (North Shore) (4,546 comments) says:

    YouTube link does not work – removed by user.

    Someone has got the pricka

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  65. scrubone (3,095 comments) says:

    I watched the Daily Show online for some years (i.e. Clinton was president when I started) but gave up in the approach to the 2004 election. It had become completely pro-democrat partisan, and wasn’t really funny at all.

    Also used to be a fan of Bill O’Reilly but after someone else I liked said he was a blowhard I took another look and thought that was truer than I had previously cared to admit. Still see the odd clip for him online though.

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