General Debate 2 November 2012

November 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    Beasts looking for victims: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/7897050/Group-attacked-by-junior-gang-members

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  2. David Garrett (7,563 comments) says:

    There is an article in Stuff about a “PETA” branch in California which wants a roadside memorial for fish killed when a truck carrying them to market crashed, and a bunch of fish died….”..fish value their lives and feel pain” a spokeswoman said…

    When I were a lad there was a saying “only in America…” Now, it wouldn’t surprise me if the locus of this story wasn’t Palmerston North and not Irvine, California….

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  3. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Looks like it’s all over for the Romney/Ryan ticket – surprise, surprise.

    One of you Neolibs will owe me a $100 and another a chocolate fish.

    I doubt I’ll see the bets paid out given the history of paying out on this site. There will probably be some excuse like Romney won the popular vote or more States in total.

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  4. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    An (il)liberal endorses another: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/a-vote-for-a-president-to-lead-on-climate-change.html

    Enough on AGW to make you puke.

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  5. Neil (589 comments) says:

    In relation to the USA election. I posted yesterday on DPF’s comments on the election. Today I have listened to Morning Report interviewing another pollster with another poll-this one favouring Romney 52-48 .Geoff Robinson thje RNZ host seemed a bit surprised after all the “great” work Obama had done during Hurricane Sandy. When the pollster said that really didn’t count for much because over the weekend people in the eastern USA will be so angry with the lack of essential infrastructure, Geoff seemed quite deflated.
    Obama did very little in this whole thing – thank you’s should go to the governors O’Malley(Maryland).Cuomo(NY),Malloy(Conneticutt) all Democrats and the leadership qualities of Republican Chris Christie of New Jersey. Mayor Bloomberg should be added to that list.
    This is a state thing. Obama with his back to the wall saw this as his October surprise getting out and about getting his photographs in the very friendly media. Mayor Bloomberg of New York told Obama to stay away period.
    The NZ media need a course on US politics understanding that the bias in this race and other US politics is shocking. Be very wary if you see reports from the three TV networks(Especially MSNBC)Washington Post,New York Times LA Times or the Guardian from the UK. They are heavily scewed towards Obama. Read Real Clear Politics.co. for a fair and balanced view.

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  6. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Neil – Want a bet? Put your money where your mouth is.

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  7. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Sandy Is Just the Tip of the Iceberg, and NYC May Be the Titanic
    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/10/6538867/there-could-be-worse-what-new-york-isnt-doing-yet-about-next-storm?top-featured-image

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  8. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    We Are All from New Orleans Now: Climate Change, Hurricanes and the Fate of America’s Coastal Cities
    http://www.thenation.com/article/170894/we-are-all-new-orleans-now-climate-change-and-hurricane-sandy#

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  9. Jack5 (5,167 comments) says:

    For DPF and others who call “xenophobia!” when someone questions Chinese buying of dairy land in New Zealand, this comes from the Wall Street Journal today:

    …the U.S. Chamber of Commerce describes a labyrinthine approval process for investment in China that favors domestic companies and inhibits foreign access…

    And:

    … (Canada’s) prime minister, meanwhile, has stated that China has “virtually unrestricted” access to Canada while Canadian investment is often blocked in China.

    And:

    …The European Commission, meanwhile, has proposed requiring that government procurement rules be reciprocal. It has China chiefly in mind.

    Where is the xenophobia? In New Zealand, or in China?

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  10. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    hamnida – what odds are you offering? If they’re better than iPredict are offering then I’ll bet you $100.
    Currently iPredict have Romney at just under 25c, so you’d need to offer 3:1 odds – you pay me $300 if Romney wins, I pay you$100 if Obama wins.

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  11. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    from hj’s link
    “Salt water surged into every East River subway tunnel between Manhattan and Brooklyn, filling the South Ferry station to the ceiling, corroding equipment, and rendering the system unusable for at least the next several days.”

    Next several days more like the next month

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  12. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    RightNow – You made my point. No to the bet. I agree the odds are 3:1.

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  13. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    Chicken.

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  14. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Even the KB Polls
    Who do you think will win the US Presidential Election?
    is backing obuma now
    So hamineggs we do know who winning only the idiots think that mitt is it
    If right now is posting one in three he is admitting defeat He just wants to take your money and lay it off else were so he can laugh at you

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  15. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    RightNow – $100 at 2:1? You could pick a late Romney charge?

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  16. williamsheridan (63 comments) says:

    The Labour Party seems to do a good line in :”Nah,nah.nah.nah.nah… we’ll reverse that when we are in power.” …. well what cost is there in them threatening that?
    Seems to me that if you can innovatively fund public services that is a good idea – but Labour philosophy seems to be “just say no”.

    http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/hospital-funding-risky-labour/1605290/

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  17. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    Perhaps hamnida was the one trying to get better odds griff- he might not be as stupid as I think he is.

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  18. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    Hamnida- I would be the stupid one if I took worse odds from you than I can get elsewhere

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  19. Grendel (1,005 comments) says:

    oh yay, hamnidiots out on parole again.

    hes like a stupider version of redbaiter, but instead of calling everything a marxist, we are all ‘neolibs’ whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.

    so hammoron, you have come on here and said, looks like its all over for the romney/ryan ticket. with no proof, links, evidence other than your usual oneeyed assertion.

    its still entirely possible that obama will win, but the polling is not showing it as a clean sweep or a dead cert. show something that backs up your view, even if its the total biased shit you normally use. at least then you are trying to have a debate, rather than your usual spouting of irrelevant gibberish.

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  20. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    DG @825

    I’m a member of PETA, People Eating Tasty Animals.

    One aspect of the modern rights movement is the extension of human rights and characteristics to animals. So instead of the perfectly correct approach of being humane to these beings they are now elevated to the human .

    “Progress”.

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  21. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I use this website as evidence:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/july-24-the-incredibly-steady-presidential-race/

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  22. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    For the lefies who love tax hikes:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204789304578088931525397120.html?mod=WSJ__MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsFifth

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  23. Grendel (1,005 comments) says:

    its not evidence, its opinion, but at least you might know how to read. Admittedly you are quoting something from July. you are stupid beyond bounds.

    Whether obama wins or not is uncertain, but i think its likely given the massive machine doing their best to ignore romney. i am impressed however that with all the might of hollywood, the liberal media, all the tolerant lefties attacking his religion and his person, and the massive outspending the obama campaign has done, Romney is ahead on the popular vote on polling, and closing in on the battleground states.

    hell, romney has been attacked for positive policies. the democrats whine about equality and proactive employment of women (which obama has been personally terrible at), and then attack Romney when he does exactly what they say people should do. so now actively seeking female execs is a bad thing, according to the great brainwashed.

    just goes to show that if the media was unbiased and reported the news (not interpreted it), and the hollywood people stuck to their jobs, Romney would destroy obama.

    So who will win? who the hell knows really. but if it is obama, it wont be by much and the shine will well and truly have come off the messiah. i dont see many speeches about stopping the rise of the oceans with his next victory speech (if he gets one).

    it will be an interesting next few days.

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  24. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Hamnida
    Sure, I’ll take a bet with you. How much you say?
    Heres a number- 16 Trillion…..

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  25. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Bernard von NotHaus: Liberty Dollar Trial Update

    His name is Bernard von NotHaus, and he is a professed “monetary architect” and a maker of custom coins found guilty last spring of counterfeiting charges for minting and distributing a form of private money called the Liberty Dollar.

    Described by some as “the Rosa Parks of the constitutional currency movement,” Mr. von NotHaus managed over the last decade to get more than 60 million real dollars’ worth of his precious metal-backed currency into circulation across the country — so much, and with such deep penetration, that the prosecutor overseeing his case accused him of “domestic terrorism” for using them to undermine the government.

    No tin foil hat here

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/us/bernard-von-nothaus-liberty-dollar-trial-update.html

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  26. David Garrett (7,563 comments) says:

    kowtow: Excellent! I had to read your post twice to pick up the “tasty” though!!

    How do you think that silly bitch has determined that “fish value their lives” ??

    I remember in a movie once a character that was a “fruitarian”, for whom vegetables harvested to eat had been “murdered”…I thought it was artistic licence, but no, sure enough, persons even loopier than vegans do actually exist!

    If sheep do indeed have immortal souls, Johnboy is in big trouble come judgment day!

    Just reminded myself how nice KB is without the owner of the forcibly vegetarian dog polluting the place….

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  27. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Hurricane Sandy has created more jobs than Barrack Obama.

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  28. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    Ham, go and invest in iPredict so I can buy more really well priced Romney President. Go on, if you believe, invest, I have and stand to make a good profit. iPredict is quite a way better odds than inTrade, showing the NZ media bias for Obama.

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  29. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Can I ask what one is expected to eat if meat, animal products, fruit and vegetable are removed from the equation?

    Wouldn’t “frutarians” simply starve to death?

    From my experience, the tastiest food consists of high levels of animal fat. For example, duck, pork belly and lamb rack.

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  30. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Ed Snack – What about a 2:1 bet with me? Cut out the middle-person.

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  31. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Peta
    This one has some rather scary fur :lol:
    http://www.peta.org/tv/videos/celebrities-skins/1924982565001.aspx

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  32. KiwiGreg (3,260 comments) says:

    “I remember in a movie once a character that was a “fruitarian”, ”

    Notting Hill. Pretty funny scene actually.

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  33. KiwiGreg (3,260 comments) says:

    I liked the quote about Obama “looking presidential in his handling of Sandy; shame he hadn’t started being presidential started 4 years earlier”.

    My head is telling me he is likely to win, no matter how much I loathe him.

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  34. Neil (589 comments) says:

    Hamnida 838 refers to the 538 site which strangely is part of the New York Times stable. Sure is really neutral !!!!
    I don’t gamble on elections, too much margin of errorfor phoney late surprises.
    I’d say that Hamnida is a card carrying Democrat supporter of that man Obama called The Amateur.

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  35. David Garrett (7,563 comments) says:

    Ham: I presume they just eat fruit…so the tree is not “murdered”…I guess logically that should include tomatoes, since the poor vines die a natural death at the end of the autumn…

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  36. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    I find it unbelievable that the UN has dispatched 44 observers to make sure everything is OK by their standards during the election in the U.S. WTF has it got to do with the UN?

    United Nations-affiliated election monitors from Europe and central Asia will be at polling places around the U.S. looking for voter suppression activities by conservative groups, a concern raised by civil rights groups during a meeting this week. The intervention has drawn criticism from a prominent conservative-leaning group combating election fraud.

    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), a United Nations partner on democratization and human rights projects, will deploy 44 observers from its human rights office around the country on Election Day to monitor an array of activities, including potential disputes at polling places. It’s part of a broader observation mission that will send out an additional 80 to 90 members of parliament from nearly 30 countries.

    Liberal-leaning civil rights groups met with representatives from the OSCE this week to raise their fears about what they say are systematic efforts to suppress minority voters likely to vote for President Obama.
    The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, the NAACP and the ACLU, among other groups, warned this month in a letter to Daan Everts, a senior official with OSCE, of “a coordinated political effort to disenfranchise millions of Americans — particularly traditionally disenfranchised groups like minorities.”

    […]

    Neil Simon, director of communications for the OSCE’s parliamentary assembly, agreed the U.N. does not have jurisdiction over U.S. elections but noted all OSCE member counties, which include the United States, have committed since 1990 to hold free and democratic elections and to allow one another to observe their elections.

    The observers, from countries such as Germany, France, Serbia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, will observe voting at polling places and other political activity.

    “They [will] observe the overall election process, not just the ballot casting,” said Giovanna Maiola, spokeswoman for OSCE. “They are focusing on a number of areas on the state level, including the legal system, election administration, the campaign, the campaign financing [and] new voting technologies used in the different states.”

    MORE

    Sounds a bit fishy to me. The Dems are only worried about “voter suppression”, because States are trying to clean up the electoral rolls which are still full of illegal names (deceased, illegals immigrants etc) and Dems want/need those illegal votes for Obama. Also, with no voter I.D, it’s open season on people voting twice, and those most likely to cheat are Dems.

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  37. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    Romney will win because god said so.

    Then the external voice of the Lord came to me saying, When the nation has been thrown a curve ball, I will have a man prepared who comes from the state of Michigan and he will have a big mitt capable of catching whatever is thrown his way.

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  38. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    Looks like Cyclone Sandy death toll might be much higher than presently reported. Officially 37 dead in NY yet eye witnesses report at least 60 dead on Staten Island alone.
    http://updates.gizmodo.com/post/34783619057/flood-destruction-in-staten-island-could-be-much

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  39. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    oh for fucks sake. Dime goes away from 2 days, comes back and now im hearing the words “voter suppression” all over the place.

    goddam the left are nothing but a bunch of whiny bitches.

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  40. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    cha

    By a happy coincidence, these discussions with God appear to be capable of being leveraged into cash. Truly, His word is bountiful.

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  41. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @David Garret

    It’s actually sickening that after the Libor ratings crime by Barclays people still talk about tin foil hats

    That was an absolute conspiracy and why financial terroists like Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dymon are up to their ears in law suits.

    You can bet their victims don’t talk about tin foil hats. And just remember, Goldman Sachs is in NZ and their tool is the PM

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  42. KiwiGreg (3,260 comments) says:

    “You can bet their victims don’t talk about tin foil hats. ”

    And who are those “victims”?

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  43. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    “And just remember, Goldman Sachs is in NZ and their tool is the PM” lmao speaking of tin foil hats

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  44. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    Ham, I get better odds at iPredict thanks. If New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and others are now in play (latest news has all or some going from dem to toss up), I’m betting on the mittmentum.

    See the Obama campaign’s latest, last minute ad, it’s all “Romney’s a horrible mean person” schtick. When you go nothing but negative you might (and this late in the campaign it’s got to be hard to do), maybe reduce your opponent’s vote, but you won’t increase yours. With Obama underwater on all the swing states I for one am going to be really surprised now if he gets up on Tuesday. The Obama campaign acts like it’s losing, the Romney one like it’s winning, and that for me is a good indicator. It’s the mirror image of the 2008 behaviour in the last 1-2 weeks.

    Obama’s biggest problem has to be “why would you vote for this man” ? Why, he doesn’t promote his accomplishments, he can’t rely on “hope and change” again although he’s trying. All he has is to paint his opponent as a horrible human being and to rely on racism, gulling Latinos about immigration, and the white liberal guilt trip. I just don’t get the adulation with which this disengaged incompetent is held. Today’s Dom had a story which included something along the lines of how he’d been so “aloof and brilliantly cerebral” at the G20 summits, brilliantly cerebral, Jesus on a stick, the man had no real idea what was going on, offered no workable suggestions, gave no hint of leadership, and the sycophantic media think that makes him “cerebral”. That media has done their level best for Obama, but this time, it won’t be enough.

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  45. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ Dime

    Obviously, lil do you know that John Key comes from Wall St and Goldman. He’s an investment banker

    Any investment banker will tell you Goldman runs govts all over the world

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  46. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Any investment banker will tell you Goldman runs govts all over the world

    Can you show where JK has said (admitted) that, or any other investment banker ?

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  47. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    @hinamanu

    “Any investment banker will tell you Goldman runs govts all over the world”

    Oh dear oh dear.

    Screen post it note; “hinamanu is loonie moon bat”
    Good, have that sorted.

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  48. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    That media has done their level best for Obama, but this time, it won’t be enough.

    I bet it is enough.

    People vote for Obama, not on ability, but to make a statement about themselves.

    People will also do what the msm tells them to do.

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  49. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    hinamanu, are you Miss Dim’s half-witted brother?

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  50. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    Fletch, given that the campaign director for one Democrat Senator is under police investigation after a sting filmed him agreeing to assist in faking documents to enable someone to get 100 or so fake votes for the democrat campaign…

    We can be sure that if (which I doubt) Obama wins the Justice Department will ensure that the prosecution does not proceed, after all crimes with the right intention (such as re-electing Obama) aren’t really crimes. To borrow a meme from yesterdays Star Wars thread, “these aren’t the crimes your looking for”.

    The other big unreported voter suppression effort is how some (to their credit, not all) of the Democrat controlled states try very hard to make sure that as few military votes as possible get counted. They deliberately delay sending ballot papers overseas as long as possible, delay their receipt by a variety of means, with the intention that they arrive too late to be counted. That was the big untold story of Florida 2000, there were a lot of military votes excluded in the Democrat controlled counties.

    Hey, and Texas has told the UN in no uncertain terms that unless their poll watchers are legitimately qualified and registered as such in Texas, they will be arrested on polling day.

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  51. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    hinamanu – im going to go out on a limb here and suggest you dont know any investment bankers….

    but just for shits and giggles.. can you tell me what benefit the banks have gotten under key?

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  52. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    DPF will like this one

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/9649209/Teenager-launches-Apple-iPhone-app-after-raising-1m-from-investors.html

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  53. cha (4,084 comments) says:

    This.

    http://electionlawblog.org/

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  54. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Dime

    Agreed about the banks

    As for knowing investment bankers I listen to the best financial analysts

    Reggie Jackson, Max Keiser, Peter Shiff, Nomi Prinz, Gerald Celente, Prof Bill Black who helped put 1,000 bankers in jail.

    Keiser and Prinz are both ex Wall st Investmenet bankers who are now throwing the curtain open on Wall St. Prinz was actually a CEO of Goldman and is exposing them online and in print.

    The real tin foil hat wearers are the crazies sending us to the brink of riun in NZ by continually voting for privatisation govts like Privatisation is a good thing sending hundreds of millions off-shore.

    Thankfully, the electorate is waking up and seeing the alternative to t his madness in third party representation.

    About time. I hope in time !

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  55. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    @hinamanu
    So are you saying this is all a vast international right wing conspiracy?

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  56. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    so youre saying JK is bad because he is allowing people like me to buy shares in a company that the govt shouldnt own anyway?

    got ya

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  57. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    See the WINZ Kiosk report is out:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10844604

    Guess what it says? Security wasn’t adequately considered during the design and implementation? Well gah. I wonder how many young bright twenty somethings from Deloittes had to slave away day and night to rack up enough fees so as to allow the CEO to claim that the investigation was thorough and professional? I also wonder whether the exact same thoroughness and professionalism might have been obtained from hiring a self-employed independent security architect and paying them a fraction of the fees Deloittes was paid for this earth-shattering revelation? Of course the security architect didn’t have the weight of reputation that Deloittes or any of the other big four have, so that made the extra taxpayer money spent completely worthwhile, didn’t it.

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  58. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    Really starting to like the idea of copying Sweden:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/9645959/Sweden-pays-jobless-youth-to-move-to-Norway.html

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  59. tom hunter (5,095 comments) says:

    I did not think the Benghazi disaster could get any worse as an example of incompetence – but it has.

    The magazine Foreign Policy is now reporting that:

    When we visited on Oct. 26 to prepare a story for Dubai based Al Aan TV, we found not only Stevens’s personal copy of the Aug. 6 New Yorker, lying on remnants of the bed in the safe room where Stevens spent his final hours, but several ash-strewn documents beneath rubble in the looted Tactical Operations Center, one of the four main buildings of the partially destroyed compound.

    Some of the documents — such as an email from Stevens to his political officer in Benghazi and a flight itinerary sent to Sean Smith, a U.S. diplomat slain in the attack — are clearly marked as State Department correspondence. Others are unsigned printouts of messages to local and national Libyan authorities.

    October 26! It was bad enough when a CNN reporter wandered through the unsecured wreckage days after the attack and found Ambassador Steven’s diary on the floor – but the FP folks did this weeks after the FBI supposedly got there to conduct their investigation. What the hell sort of investigation was it? Who was leading it: Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau?

    And then there are the documents themselves:

    The two unsigned draft letters are both dated Sept. 11 and express strong fears about the security situation at the compound on what would turn out to be a tragic day. They also indicate that Stevens and his team had officially requested additional security at the Benghazi compound for his visit — and that they apparently did not feel it was being provided.

    That simply adds more weight to other leaked information saying the same thing, but it’s the second one that gets me:

    One letter, written on Sept. 11 and addressed to Mohamed Obeidi, the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ office in Benghazi, reads:

    “Finally, early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report. Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission. The police car stationed where this event occurred was number 322.”

    Which fits exactly with what one of the dead Americans – Sean Smith (an IT officer) – wrote in a chat room message on the morning of September 11:

    “Assuming we don’t die tonight. We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures,”

    Up until now that had been treated as one of those single eyewitness stories that might be just a misinterpretation. Well now we know it was not.

    Incompetency piled upon incompetency.

    And yet this is still not front-page/top-of-the-hour news across the USA. FFS.

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  60. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    The report is here:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/sites/default/files/images/independent-review-deloitte.pdf

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  61. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Time will tell about the shares. I have seen very expository doubts about them. Esp for the mums and dads.

    And lets say it’s no mistake Goldman is always commenting on our economy. Not before the Key govt coincidentally

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  62. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    it’s no mistake Goldman is always commenting on our economy

    Oh dear oh deary me. Now why on earth would they ever do that?

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  63. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Whats this Neolib title that Hamnida is throwing around. Should I feel insulted ?? Is it a half arse way of describing a right winger.

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  64. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Wow, what happens from one can of COKE

    A Sheep No More
    What Happens to Your Body When You Drink a Can of Coke?

    Have you ever wondered why Coke comes with a smile? Because it gets you high.

    They removed the cocaine almost 100 years ago. Why? Because it was redundant.

    So What Happens to Your Body When You Drink a Can of Coke?

    In the first 10 minutes: 10 teaspoons of sugar hit your system. (100% of your recommended daily intake.) You don’t immediately vomit from the overwhelming sweetness because phosphoric acid cuts the flavour, allowing you to keep it down.

    20 minutes: Your blood sugar spikes, causing an insulin burst. Your liver responds to this by turning any sugar it can get its hands on into fat. (And there’s plenty of that at this particular moment.)

    40 minutes: Caffeine absorption is complete. Your pupils dilate; your blood pressure rises; as a response, your liver dumps more sugar into your bloodstream. The adenosine receptors in your brain are now blocked, preventing drowsiness.

    45 minutes: Your body ups your dopamine production, stimulating the pleasure centres of your brain. This is physically the same way heroin works, by the way.

    > 60 minutes: The phosphoric acid binds calcium, magnesium, and zinc in your lower intestine, providing a further boost in metabolism. This is compounded by high doses of sugar and artificial sweeteners also increasing the urinary excretion of calcium.

    > 60 minutes: The caffeine’s diuretic properties come into play. (It makes you have to pee.) It is now assured that you’ll evacuate the bonded calcium, magnesium, and zinc that was headed to your bones as well as sodium, electrolytes, and water.

    > 60 minutes: As the rave inside you dies down, you’ll start to have a sugar crash. You may become irritable and/or sluggish. You’ve also now, literally, pissed away all the water that was in the Coke. But not before infusing it with valuable nutrients your body could have used for things like hydrating your system, or building strong bones and teeth. This will all be followed by a caffeine crash in the next few hours. (As little as two if you’re a smoker.)

    http://wakeup-world.com/2011/06/08/what-happens-to-your-body-when-you-drink-a-can-of-coke/

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  65. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Sian Elias’s “blameless babes” at it again…
    Dog shot in home invasion.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10844618

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  66. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Nah RF, these days it just means you work for a living.

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  67. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    Is anyone else having problems with Ipredict failing to payout withdrawals, or to answer any of their email addresses?

    I’ve been trying for over two weeks now to make contact with Ipredict, and get my withdrawal into my account, and I’ve had nothing since an email to say they’d paid and it should show up in 2-3 days.

    I know Ipredict has been having server and the like problems for awhile now, but is this a sign of something more serious?
    I only have a reasonably small amount of cash invested in Ipredict, but I would be worried if I had some of the higher account balances that some have on there.

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  68. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ Kevin.

    Thousands of dollars hanging around. Workers keep their cash in banks. The invaders absolutely knew these guys didn’t. They were ruthless. Word got out about the victims. They had a reputation for something

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  69. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    Turns out superstorm Sandy was retribution for an anti-Islamic video, just like the murders in Benghazi
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10844639

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  70. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    A well-known tactic of the Left: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/argentina-lowers-voting-age-as-fernandez-tries-to-regain-footing.html

    The Luddites would love it here.

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  71. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Rightnow

    Sounds like justification to invade Iran and start WW3

    Oh that’s right, the biggest fleet in history just outside Iran is a coincidence

    Here’s someone who sounds like an experienced man of the world

    Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico’s budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons.

    Gary Johnson Talks Nwo, Bilderberg & Bohemian Grove

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  72. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Turns out superstorm Sandy was retribution for an anti-Islamic video, just like the murders in Benghazi

    And here was me thinking it was the sodomites, as per Westboro Baptist Church :)

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  73. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    @Grendel
    At this late stage in the race, polls become almost meaningless, whoever gets tv time in the affirmative wins, plus any positive news tips the tide in your favour. For instance the following headlines have real power:
    US election: Bloomberg backs Obama
    Political rival praises Obama:
    Romney looks on from sidelines as New Jersey Governor lauds US President’s handling of disaster

    What does Sandy mean for the election?

    Barack Obama

    Pros: He gets to look presidential and in charge during a disaster, which should help his job ratings and give a visual distance between himself and his rival. If handled well, this rallying moment should help a President who usually appears at his best at a time of crisis and campaigning, rather than in the mud of governing. It reinforces his message that the federal government can be a force for good – as long as the disaster response appears well organised and controlled.

    Initially I agreed with the polls that this was going to be a tight race, down to the wire, but Cyclone Sandy has blown Romney right out of the race, President Obama has seized upon the political capital that this disaster has created and has seized the initiative. I believe President Obama will now win with a healthy margin.

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  74. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    “Sounds like justification to invade Iran and start WW3″

    WW3?? I think you rate Iran a bit highly there.

    Heres what an attack would look like.

    Step 1 – we hear reports of the stealth bombers leaving missouri..

    Step 2 – Dime makes popcorn and sits back to enjoy the show. the fleet start launching cruise missiles.

    Step 3 – once the stealth bombers have done their job (with the “faulty” f22’s detroying whatever planes iran is stupid enough to put in the sky) the f18’s start flying missions.along with my favourite – the f15 :D

    Step 4 – after 28 days, iran has no capability. its all over.

    then, a month after that, a cafe in europe with 4 yanks tourists in it gets blown up and iran claims victory.

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  75. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Manalo

    Actually Nixon was horrified the voting age was dropped during his term

    Esp during the Vietnam war and youth protests nation wide.

    Be good to research where the Repubs were during that time cause they couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the legislation change.

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  76. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Whats this Neolib title that Hamnida is throwing around. Should I feel insulted ?? Is it a half arse way of describing a right winger.

    No it’s a new global lefty term designed to show themselves that they’re “advanced thinkers” RF. No-one but them knows or cares what it means, it’s like a “talk to the hand” moment for everyone who isn’t an idiot. I asked him once what it meant but I never read his reply because I don’t care, I only asked him in the hope he’d spend ages carefully crafting a detailed reply so he wouldn’t keep talking about whatever it was he was discussing at the time.

    Perhaps you should do the same thing, and tell him a link isn’t acceptable, he’ll need to spell it out in his own words, lest you think he’s not really an “advanced thinker” himself but rather he’s merely a pretender, riding on the coat tails of all the other “advanced thinkers” who really do hold the keys to the neolib mystery. That should get him furiously typing away.

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  77. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “Step 1 – we hear reports of the stealth bombers leaving missouri..”

    Bombers are on aircaft carriers in the Hormuz Strait and a lot closer in Israel.

    Obama gave this lesson to Mitt during the debates. Obama’s most famous line of the entire three debates

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  78. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    here ya go:

    “The term neoliberal is now normally associated with laissez-faire economic policies, and is used mainly by those who are critical of market reform.” – wikipedia

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  79. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    I believe President Obama will now win with a healthy margin.

    It’s well-known that most Luddites root for the Messiah, healer of Gaia. No surprises here.

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  80. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    hinamanu – really? the B-2 stealth bomber are now operating from aircraft carriers? when did this happen? can you provide a link?

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  81. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    This is sad, I think.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7894735/Lawyer-Barry-Hart-faces-bankruptcy

    He’s what – 70?

    And now bankrupt?

    Poor guy. Clearly he bought it on himself. Possibly he didn’t realise despite his years that the conditions 1990’s-2007 weren’t going to continue forever, that no, we hadn’t entered a new paradigm where boom and bust had been eliminated. Seriously, that’s what some people were saying before the crash.

    But sad way to end.

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  82. tom hunter (5,095 comments) says:

    the B-2 stealth bomber are now operating from aircraft carriers?

    There are a number of people I’ve applied RIP to, and every now and again I come across some comment that reminds why I did it. The B2 off aircraft carriers? Seriously? Someone’s just done a Hamnida.

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  83. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter, They are using suppressed alien technology on the B2’s.

    Your so thick sometimes ! :)

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  84. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Dime

    Do nukes need a B-2 stealth bomber.

    The US is utterly broke and war always reinvigorates the world economy.

    Bush and Condeleeza Rice both threatened nukes on the ME.

    The Israeli PM wants war…. in 30 days he stated. Obviously after the US elections next year.

    We are so close to the world conditions of the 1930’s. Europe is almost wound down. Thanks to investment bankers
    actually. Which is why they got kicked out of Iceland

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/olafur-ragnar-grimsson-iceland-president_n_1641141.html

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  85. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    hinamaru – so youre saying B2’s dont fly off carriers? its ok to admit youre wrong :)

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  86. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Do nukes need a B-2 stealth bomber.

    No. Why?

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  87. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Attacking Iran would be very foolish. It would be counter productive to global security. Leave them alone, is my advice. I have a real bad feeling about attacking them. We can defend our beliefs (from hard line Islam) without making war. The real threat, at least in Europe, is allowing intolerant Islamists to establish themselves in the West and bending to their whims in the name of cultural diversity. We need to short out what is on our doorstep before taking on the world.

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  88. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Reid

    Barry Hart is the last person on the planet that you should feel any sort of pity for.. absolutely the last, a completely odious human being and thats the nicest thing I can say about him.

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  89. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    kea – we do need to do that. badly.

    im keen to see an iran beat down though. great viewing on a wednesday arvo

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  90. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ Dime

    Absolutely. I didn’t say they did.

    Unfortunately, war is always Americas first option. Only the US fought a war against slavery.

    It’s now known and declassfied that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was used to provoke the US to attack Vietnam.

    Now the US is now in another gulf.

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  91. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    hinamanu; It was NOT a war against slavery. It was a power grab, nothing more. The Brits were the first to ban it, but again for economic reasons. Nothing to do with being nicer to black folk. Read some real history.

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  92. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    kea – we do need to do that. badly.

    Why? This is the mental thing. It’s all bullshit. There is NO Iranian threat. Why don’t those of you who’ve been soaked in the MSM propaganda look at reality and get that through your incredibly thick skulls? You are being completely and utterly mental in precisely the same way lefties who think poverty can be fixed by paying poor people more money are being mental. Same thing, different arenas.

    Where is the upside to Iran, if Iran attacks anyone, let alone Israel or the US? Answer that strategically. Note that “strategically” does not mean, because it would make the mad Mullahs happy to destroy the Zionist Entity, because believing that is a valid reason, shows a complete and utter lack of appreciation of the reality of the decision making process, of the Iranian mentality AND history AND how Iran operates IN THE REAL AS OPPOSED TO FANTASY WORLD CREATED FOR YOU COURTESY OF FOX ETC OVER AROUND 5 YEARS OF SO NOW. And if you can’t give me a strategic reason, are you willing to admit your subconsciousness has been played by the MSM like a violin? Of course you’re not, but why else, if you have no strategic reason, would you think Iran NEEDS to be, not should be but NEEDS to be, attacked?

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  93. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    @Kea
    You can’t separate slavery that easily from the American Civil War. It was integral to why the South went to war, a major cause of the provocations (runaway slaves making to the North and not having to return) and made great press for Abe Lincoln when he finally decided to embrace it.
    So the war wasn’t entirely about slavery but it made up a big chunk of the cause of it.

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  94. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ok guys here’s some good reading on US/Iran history

    Max Keiser Report

    Mohammad Khatami was elected president of Iran in the late 1990s offering a more moderate approach toward the West, but he failed to overcome the years of distrust that had built up between the Islamic government in Tehran and U.S. administrations in Washington. (Photo credit: World Economic Forum)

    The Pentagon veto of the nuclear scientists’ delegation eliminated the Khatami government’s most pr
    omising initiative to promote a thaw in U.S.-Iran relations by weakening a key U.S. argument for viewing Iran as a threat. President Bill Clinton’s administration had been accusing Iran of wanting nuclear weapons, based not on intelligence on the nuclear program but on the assumption that Iran would use enriched uranium for nuclear weapons rather than for civilian power.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=447314981971360&set=a.157996427569885.25021.157390410963820&type=1

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  95. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    Reid

    I agree that it is a pity that Iran will end up as a hole in the ground but since they have been playing knife edge international politics for a few decades surely they must have expected it to happen. As usual the political leaders & the mad Ayatollahs will survive in some elite shelter while their people suffer but again the man on the Iranian street will know this too. At least like all God fearing people they can welcome death & maiming knowing that their God will reward them in the hereafter.

    In our politically correct world it is easy to ignore the old maxim that might is right.

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  96. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    Ah, the baubles of office: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/01/sen-menendez-had-loud-sex-with-different-girl-every-night-dc-neighbor-tells-leftwing-website/

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  97. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    so. Dime says

    “Step 1 – we hear reports of the stealth bombers leaving missouri..”

    hinamanu says:

    “Bombers are on aircaft carriers in the Hormuz Strait and a lot closer in Israel.”

    so you werent implying that the stealth bombers were close by… youre just saying the yanks shouldnt btother using them? just fly f-18’s against the iranian air defenses? why the fuck would they do that?

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  98. KiwiGreg (3,260 comments) says:

    OK hinamanu I’ve read your dross here, you are going to my ignore pile like all the other nut jobs.

    “Prinz was actually a CEO of Goldman and is exposing them online and in print. ”

    Nomi Prins, who while not un-hot was a director at GS. In IB terms thats one up from an analyst. Very junior. Key by the way, was in FX, he was never in IB.

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  99. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    Reid – what was the “strategic” reason behind hitler invading Russia?

    in the past, have countries invaded other countries just because of religion??

    if Iran are allowed to have nukes. do you think they will be even bigger pricks than they are now? north korea became good bastards once they got nukes.. didnt fuck with anyone ever.

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  100. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    The last time Iran fought a war it was against an American (& Russian!) backed Iraq under Saddam.

    Why should they not have nukes?

    Iran may have some different values, to ours, but there is no sound reason to attack them. It is an old, civilised and beautiful country. It will benefit no one to invade Iran. If nuclear armed Israel can not get along with its neighbours, then let them sort it out. There is no place for the West there.

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  101. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Kiwi Greg

    I’m just glad someone knows who Nomi Prinz is

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  102. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    @Kea
    You can’t separate slavery that easily from the American Civil War. It was integral to why the South went to war, a major cause of the provocations (runaway slaves making to the North and not having to return) and made great press for Abe Lincoln when he finally decided to embrace it.
    So the war wasn’t entirely about slavery but it made up a big chunk of the cause of it.

    I agree entirely. But the motivation was NOT human rights. The motivation was a fear of economic superiority and strength. Another words, the free market economy brought an end to slavery. (Suck it up lefties :) )

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  103. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    So Kea
    Israel involved with a full Nuke exchange with Iran isn’t going to impact us in the ‘West’?

    I am more comfortable with dirty little dictatorships where said dictator is as cunning as a shit house rat (like the previous Assad of Syria) where they know the consequences of going too far, are just not worth it.

    Ahmadinejad on the other hand is a bloody loon.

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  104. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “OK hinamanu I’ve read your dross here, you are going to my ignore pile like all the other nut jobs.”

    WEll actually, I just been vindicated by Nasska

    “I agree that it is a pity that Iran will end up as a hole in the ground….”

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  105. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    Interesting point Kea

    Never thought of it like that.

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  106. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    no need to invade as such. just bomb their shitty military back into the 1950’s.

    if iran get the bomb they will bully their neighbors, be even more overt in backing terrorist organizations and fuck with the world economy at will.

    i dont want any more countries getting the bomb.

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  107. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    Kea

    …”Why should they not have nukes?”…..

    I can think of one excellent reason. The Iranians hate the west & although they may not attack the USA or any of its allies directly they would probably be quite happy to arm terroists anywhere in the world.

    Can you imagine the effect of a nuclear armed Cuba, or Libya, or Indonesia?

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  108. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The world has more debt than at any time in the past 500 years. That means we are headed to the worst Depression in 500 years. Depressions simply put are periods in history when debts are cancelled through massive bankruptcies, unemployment, Austerity and tax increases because we have not yet learned to choose scientific Debt Cancellation instead of all that pain and all those wars.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=298488616931252&set=a.225932444186870.49466.225921714187943&type=1

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  109. dime (10,133 comments) says:

    hinamanu – go have another bong hit.

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  110. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Ok nasska let me take your thinking to its logical and only conclusion:

    We (who ever “we” actually is) go to war with every country that resents American influence and superiority.

    And you reckon Iran is loony !

    As for arming militant groups, get off your high horse. America armed Saddam, the Taliban and a whole bunch of others. Saudi Arabia gives millions to militant groups (its where Bin Laden came from) has strict Sharia law and is great mates with the USA ! Go figure.

    You have been tricked into believing the whole “Islam is evil and after us” narrative. By doing so you have allowed our own government to remove and restrict our rights at home. I am more concerned about that, than having Islamists come over here and make our women behave themselves.

    Lighten up.

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  111. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Dime

    We’re winding down and you’ll remember me when it happens, real soon

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  112. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    More on Libya:

    …not only did operational commanders have live visual and audio communications from drones overhead and intelligence assets on the ground, but that some commanders within the military were prepared to go-it-alone after being told to “stand down.”

    Africom commanding officer U.S. General Carter Ham, after being ordered to essentially surrender control of the situation to alleged Al Queda terrorists and let Americans on the ground die, made the unilateral decision to ignore orders from the Secretary of Defense and activated special operations teams at his disposal for immediate deployment to the area.

    According to reports, once the General went rogue he was arrested within minutes by his second in command and relieved of duty.

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/rogue-u-s-general-arrested-for-activating-special-forces-teams-ignoring-libya-stand-down-order_102012

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  113. Lance (2,718 comments) says:

    @hinamanu 12:23pm
    So are you saying like….. coke is better than sex?

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  114. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    So Kea
    Israel involved with a full Nuke exchange with Iran isn’t going to impact us in the ‘West’?

    Yes it will impact us.

    Are you suggesting a pre-emptive strike on the nuclear armed Israel who is constantly threatening Iran with attack?

    If not, why?

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  115. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    Kea

    As a small nation it is nearly impossible for us not to be aligned with one of the major world powers. As NZ is western in outlook & practises it is obvious that we are going to look to Europe & the USA for trade & military alliances. Whatever the Yanks have done that is wrong (& I admit there is no shortage of instances) we would be looking for a long time for allies in the ME.

    Islam represents everything I can find to hate about a theology or a way of life. I’ll stick with the West….warts & all.

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  116. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ Lance

    haha. so they would have us believe.

    Put it this way….. all GE advocates eat organic

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  117. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    US Banks Told To Prepare For Total Collapse

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/u-s-banks-told-to-prepare-for-total-economic-collapse-video/

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  118. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    nasska, I am on your team.

    But attacking Iran will not advance our beliefs. It will do the opposite to what you think it will.

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  119. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    hinamanu – from that link you posted at 2:24 –

    Monsanto and DuPont now supposedly have control of technology that will make men and women who eat the GM corn become sterile.

    Really? Do you happen to have any REALISTIC proof of that? (NB: Facebook doesn’t actually count as “realistic”.)

    And in the comments:
    “Sure the Illuminati want to rule the world, ever since they were genetically modified and told they were special and not humans. They feel they can freely kill humans because we aren’t our race. They have duped the Freemasons into do their grunt work for them. Most Freemasons, even the highest levels, will never meet the evil that controls them. They do find out when they reach the highest levels (around 5% of them) that they do in fact worship Lucifer.”

    I’m sorry, it’s just a bit difficult to take stuff like that seriously when you read the comments and realise the audience this is aimed at.

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  120. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Graham

    Find out about UN agenda 21

    It’s all over the net

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  121. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Islam represents everything I can find to hate about a theology or a way of life. I’ll stick with the West….warts & all.

    nasska this is your problem, you’re not thinking with your mind, you’re “thinking” about this with your emotions. This is why you don’t see the drop-dead obvious which Kea and I and some others do. It’s clear and present, once you drop the emotional hysteria that the MSM have inculcated into you. Sorry to be condescending but that’s what it is and don’t fee bad, 90% of people on this blog are doing precisely the same thing. But none of you who favour an Iranian attack can give one single cold hard logical reason for it, because there isn’t one. It’s all based on emotional perception of the big bad Islamic boogie man.

    Of course all of you think you’re being logical because all of this emotion is not visible to you, you don’t experience it as a conscious emotion. But subconsciously that’s the way it works, it wouldn’t work otherwise if you knew it. But unfortunately emotion and not logic is why most western people will clap and cheer when Iran is attacked and/or they believe it when they “find” a half-burned Iranian passport amidst the smoking ruins of a US mid-western city.

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  122. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/mr-burns-endorses-romney-video/

    HEHE

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  123. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    You have a good grasp of it Reid. It is not an issue about right v left, them v us, Western v Middle Eastern. It is about common sense.

    All those who stand by their Western values are free to do so and good on them. Nobody has to give up their values or morals and that includes the people of Iran. They will change if and when they want to. None of our business either way.

    Do we share the same values with North Korea? They have nukes. Should we attack them? How about Pakistan or Fiji, Cuba, Somalia. Where does it end…

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  124. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ Reid

    I’m with ya. And exactly why the people are abandoning the MSN for alternative media and turning to third party representation. MMP has absolutely been a failure for the establishment and is now a tool for the electorate to be empowered against the establishment.

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  125. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Max Keiser Report
    According to news reports, UK banks fixed the London interbank borrowing rate (Libor) with the complicity of the Bank of England (UK central bank) at a low rate in order to obtain a cheap borrowing cost. The way this scandal is playing out is that the banks benefited from borrowing at these low rates. Whereas this is true, it also strikes us as simplistic and as a diversion from the deeper, darker scandal.

    Banks are not the only beneficiaries of lower Libor rates. Debtors (and investors) whose floating or variable rate loans are pegged in some way to Libor also benefit. One could argue that by fixing the rate low, the banks were cheating themselves out of interest income, because the effect of the low Libor rate is to lower the interest rate on customer loans, such as variable rate mortgages that banks possess in their portfolios. But the banks did not fix the Libor rate with their customers in mind. Instead, the fixed Libor rate enabled them to improve their balance sheets, as well as help to perpetuate the regime of low interest rates. The last thing the banks want is a rise in interest rates that would drive down the values of their holdings and reveal large losses masked by rigged interest rates.

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  126. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    @ hinamanu and UN agenda 21:

    Have you been drinking the Kool-Aid again?

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  127. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    Reid

    In a perfect world your views would be mainstream. The problem is that the world we live in doesn’t realise those erstwhile ideals & therefore aligning ourselves with the devil we know tends to be sound advice. Regardless of how the USA/Israel/Iran mess plays out we as a western nation will be lumped in with the West in the eyes of the inhabitants of the ME. This is the important point……it doesn’t actually matter what we think…..the cards have been dealt in Washington, Tel Aviv & Tehran.

    You are convinced that we all follow what the MSM regurgitates in front of us every day. In my case I get the newspaper for the crosswords, would rather put out my eyes than watch TV news & actually form my opinions from what I read on this & other political & social blogs. All this yet, although I will not be cheering if or when Iran is invaded, I have no problems in seeing how the situation has developed. The leadership in Tehran has brought much of the situation on itself.

    Yes, the USA leaders are stuffing up big time but the thought of a nuclear armed Iran controlled by religious head cases doesn’t appeal. The enemy of my enemy has to be my ally if not my friend.

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  128. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    Fletch 10:57. I understand that some of the state authorities have threatened to arrest any of these ‘UN Observers’ that try to enter a polling place.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  129. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    So Reid, I gather your ideologically aligned with North Korea, because they have nukes NOW and you have not even mentioned them?

    Largely I agree with you, but I do not arrive at the same conclusion. Attacking Iran would benefit no one.

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  130. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @David Prosser

    That’s awesome. Poll rigging is systemic in the states.

    Mitt Romneys own son owns voting machines

    Talk about horribly worrying.

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  131. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    You are convinced that we all follow what the MSM regurgitates in front of us every day… The leadership in Tehran has brought much of the situation on itself…. …the thought of a nuclear armed Iran controlled by religious head cases doesn’t appeal.

    No I know you don’t follow what the MSM regurgitates every day nasska. The MSM has been running a long term propaganda campaign against Iran for over 5 years. Over that time is has gradually gradually slowly slowly slice the elephant story here story there sewn a myth that has taken hold in many western minds, a myth which is partly encapsulated by your last several sentences I’ve quoted.

    You see, Iran has done nothing. Its leader has said a few stupid things about Israel which has given the progaganda campaign an opportunity to spin the meme a little more, but it’s done nothing. Zero. Nada. Zip. History will state nasska the attack on Iran which occurred in 2013 was engineered by spin. By conflating the Iranian boogeyman with the general war on terror Islam = terrorist boogeyman, the press has executed a double-whammy on those with unaware minds. Your descriptions show they’re hitting their targets well. Tavistock must be very pleased.

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  132. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “History will state nasska the attack on Iran which occurred in 2013 was engineered by spin.”

    That’s a very prophetic statement. Esp in the contest of the hugest naval fleet in history in the Hormuz Strait

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  133. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Whoops I said Reid not nasska at 3:32, sorry.

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  134. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    You see, Iran has done nothing. Its leader has said a few stupid things about Israel

    Well……… maybe.

    Some of his comments are quoted out of context and deliberately interpreted into English in a mis-leading way.

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  135. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    “Mitt Romneys own son owns voting machines”

    Absolute bullshit.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/votingmachines.asp

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  136. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @ RightNow

    You are correct sir…but it was believed

    The truth is that Tagg Romney doesn’t “own” any voting machines in Ohio at all. Michael Warren of the Weekly Standard helps us out with the facts.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/25/Bamboozled-Ed-Schultz-Falls-for-Satire-Story-About-Tagg-Romney

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  137. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    So I was talking about privatisation today

    Romney Wants to Privatize Disaster Relief

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ya55VzKPYk&feature=plcp

    Sounds like if you can’t afford it you won’t get it

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  138. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    So Reid, I gather your ideologically aligned with North Korea, because they have nukes NOW and you have not even mentioned them?

    No of course I’m not Kea and why would I be. Nothing I say about Iran is “ideological.” Ideology has nothing to do with it. The questions are all factual:

    a) does Iran have one or more nukes?
    b) if yes, would she use them?
    c) if yes, against whom?

    Ideology doesn’t come into it. At all. In any way.

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  139. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Of course you don’t Reid, but I was pointing out a flaw in your logic.

    I reckon taking on Iran would make Iraq, and the epic failure of Afghanistan, look like success stories.

    It won’t benefit the West and could polarise things further, driving even moderate Muslims to intemperance.

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  140. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    Truth’s owners and its new editor Cameron Slater say they plan to reduce its focus on advertising brothels, strip clubs and prostitutes.Slater – aka Whale Oil – says…

    So already Slater has begun a cover up … to keep the information all to himself and diminish competition and thus price?

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  141. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    I hope Cameron and DPF will give us regular updates about how the new National party newspaper is doing :)

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  142. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    More iwi fascism

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10844485

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  143. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    So I was just listening to Checkpoint’s piece on the WINZ Kiosk report I posted on above and they read out an email from the CEO who said in effect we don’t know why the risks weren’t escalated to the appropriate management level. Well here’s a clue from the report: http://www.nbr.co.nz/sites/default/files/images/independent-review-deloitte.pdf

    The risk associated with the lack of “kiosk” network separation was recorded both in the XP Upgrade
    Project risk register and the IT Security External Threat risk register. The risk was rated “medium”
    overall, comprising “rare” likelihood and “major” impact. Further, the IT Security team requested that
    the risk arising from the lack of network separation be escalated beyond the project to the Desktop
    Upgrade Steering Group, and a member of the IT management team was copied on this request.
    However, there is no evidence that the security risks around the “kiosks” or any of the penetration
    testing findings were escalated any further.

    See the reference architecture document gave two options, the kiosk project chose the non-preferred option which was to secure the kiosks via firewalls, routers and Active Directory trusted group configuration. There were two projects going on: the kiosk project and a desktop upgrade project. The routers were supposed to be funded by the desktop upgrade project. Hence that email from the IT Security team. So someone in the “IT management team” didn’t pick up on it. That piece is on p17 and that entire section – Design – starts on p15 has the nub of what happened.

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  144. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Religious nutters with nukes, you sum the Israelis up well.
    The Yom Kippur war of 1973, Israel loaded Phantom bombers with nukes for a strike on Cairo and Damascus.
    The only reason it did not take place was the Soviets telling the Israels if Cairo etc went so would Tel Aviv.
    Worried about Muslims having the nukes, well since Pakistan has them it is a little late.

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  145. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori is right.

    He did omit one group of religious nutters. The Americans.

    No I am not anti the Yanks, they are our mates.

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  146. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    grumpy

    I wouldn’t describe the Israelis as religious nutters. I think their nutterness stems from the neighbours and the history of the formation of their state.

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  147. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t describe the Israelis as religious nutters. I think their nutterness stems from the neighbours and the history of the formation of their state.

    The Israeli’s aren’t, but their leaders are. Zionist fruitcakes. Same as quite a few of the US leaders. They camouflage themselves by pretending they do things because of the history of their formation and their neighbours.

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  148. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    If anyone wants the Checkpoint report on WINZ Kiosks it’s here – the CEO’s email I mentioned @5:29 is at the very end of the report:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2537444/msd-warned-about-privacy-risks-but-failed-to-fix-kiosk-flaws.asx

    The report BTW completely ignores the fact that according to that extract I’ve quoted above, the management DID know about. So ignore what the idiots say about that in the piece.

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  149. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Sorry there are two reports, here’s the next one which has the CEO email comment:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2537445/blogger-says-msd-investigation-into-breaches-raises-questions.asx

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  150. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    So guessing about the four employees who are “under investigation” according to the CEO, it would be:
    the project PM
    the BA who dropped it from the requirements
    the Security Architect on the team – if there was one
    the member of the IT management team to whom the email was sent

    So Deloittes, at no doubt horrendous expense, will now undertake “Phase II” which involves reviewing the Ministry’s SDLC and risk management and incident management processes. (They missed a report from a beneficiary advocate in 2011 which told them about the kiosk risk hence they need a new incident management process) So what’s the bet that at the end of the day:

    Deloittes get oh who knows, let’s say $500k of taxpayer money for explaining what could have been discovered had the managers themselves wandered down the corridor.

    DSW from now on undertakes an incredibly cumbersome and bureaucratic risk management and incident management escalation processes which analyses the heck out of every single little thing.

    Nothing untoward happens from here on in and instead of realising this is because the whole situation was a one-off involving a couple of people who didn’t dot the “i’s,” (albeit they were BIG i’s), the management congratulates themselves on a really good job and they all get their bonuses next year because they’re so very good at their jobs (albeit every single project they do is now twice as expensive and takes twice as long because of the flash new processes).

    You’d call it a circus, but in a circus, they have trained animals.

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  151. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Jeez, people, think about what will happen,the yanks and our troops are in Afghanistan, 100,000 pissed off Iranians cross the border to grab some prisoners, and then tie them to any likely targets in Iran, now that would not stop the Israelis but it would stop the yanks.

    And that is before the Iranians supply the Taliban with air to surface missiles to put paid to any chopper flights.
    Invade Iran, with what ?

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  152. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    Where does the trail end? http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/clinton-vs-petraeus-wheres-obama_660055.html

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  153. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    kea, the north had and wanted tariffs protecting their domestic industry from European competition, the south wanted these tariffs removed. That northern capitalist exploited cheap labour via immigration, whereas the southern gentry did so through inter-generational slavery. They each “just” wanted their own way legislated across the country (southern property rights respected in the north), so it was their own country.

    All economic systems, including capitalism, have a use by date – the GFC, QE and IMF consideration of moving on from private banking fractional reserve indicate this.

    The current era of the world reserve currency being the American dollar and this nation hosting a private bank conglomerate Federal Reserve and the IMF and World Bank are numbered. Something has got to give way.

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  154. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    As for Iran, if it had not armed Hizbollah with missiles and now a drone to use against Israel, its development towards nuclear weapons status would be less pertinent. What next a nuclear warhead to Hizbollah (now armed to the point that the army of Lebanon will not confront them) and using them and the territory of Lebanon as a proxy? Hardly the behaviour of a country with a proud civilisation – but rather cowardly hiding behind the skirts of others.

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  155. tom hunter (5,095 comments) says:

    But the motivation was NOT human rights. The motivation was a fear of economic superiority and strength. Another words, the free market economy brought an end to slavery.

    Much as I’m a supporter of free market economies, it’s not possible to make that claim in light of the fact that slave numbers in the USA showed a steady decline from the founding of the republic right up to ….

    [the] invention of the cotton gin in 1793 enabled more economic processing of short-staple cotton, which could readily be grown in the uplands. The invention revolutionized the cotton industry by increasing fifty-fold the quantity of cotton that could be processed in a day. The mechanization could efficiently handle short-staple cotton, which could be grown in more places than the long-staple cotton of the Low Country. Results were the explosive growth of cotton cultivation throughout the Deep South and greatly increased demand for slave labor to support it.

    The free markets might have solved the problem in another century or so, but I don’t think that’s an acceptable time horizon for ending slavery. There have been treatise that have tried to place an economic reasoning over the top of the moral crusade embodied by the Abolitionist movement, but I’m awfully suspicious of such material dialectic analysis, as I would like to think you are.

    No, the motivation was human rights. It would not be accurate to claim that even a majority of Northerners felt that way – although given the steady progress of anti-slavery laws through the Northern states in the decades before the war perhaps I’m making harsh judgement – but if it had not been for that motivation the South would not have worried about seceding in the first place.

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  156. Steve (North Shore) (4,591 comments) says:

    SPC @ 4.48
    “Truth’s owners and its new editor Cameron Slater say they plan to reduce its focus on advertising brothels, strip clubs and prostitutes”
    It means you have to buy the new Truth to get those phone numbers? you should have had them on speed dial.

    Sorry son, wide open for that, have a nice evening :)
    The new National Party Newspaper – I like that

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  157. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    I don’t live in Auckland, I am just an altruist concerned about Whaleoil hoarding information about newbies on the game. They’ll get the impression all men are pigs and leave the industry.

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  158. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    A man in a hot air balloon shouted down to an Irish farmer in a field, “Where am I?” The farmer shouted back, “You can’t fool me…. you’re up there in that little basket!”

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  159. Steve (North Shore) (4,591 comments) says:

    SPC,
    So WhaleOil or the Editor of the Truth gives the impression to prostitutes that all men are pigs and the Pros will leave the ‘industry’? What will the Pros do?
    Money is money and the oldest profession in the world will cary on as it has done since year dot. Get your hand off it!

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  160. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    SPC is a leftie Steve & as such is probably only interested in the “speciality” end of the market. I understand that afternoon visits to Madam Lash’s House of Pain are normal practise amongst socialists everywhere. :)

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  161. Steve (North Shore) (4,591 comments) says:

    Nasska,
    You reckon SPC will be at the Erotica Show next year? Quite amazing the people you meet there, when you don’t think they would be there

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  162. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    Steve

    Check the BDSM & Rubber section……I’m certain that you’ll find him there. :)

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  163. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    As per usual some right wingers have got the wrong end of the stick and a left winger has to explain why this is once again.

    You should all be embarrassed that Whaleoil will be attempting to cover up more than he exposes of the Truth and has already admitted this – one day into his new job. He does not know what the truth is.

    But he does need discipline, Mallard gave him some when he challenged him to a bike race and made half a man of him.

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  164. Steve (North Shore) (4,591 comments) says:

    SPC – hello Clare

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  165. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Very difficult endgame to predict with The Truth. First of all the decline in print media sales and the contraction in that market.
    Also whether The Truth will attempt to become the new National party newspaper as some here predict. I doubt it.
    Slater isn’t a one dimensional character and either is the design of The Truth. People will remember that it was a paper some families would not have in the home, though the dad or teenage sons may have been ‘discreet’ readers. It has a very varied and pithy background and so it will be interesting to see any editorial changes, also the decision on how they intend to include the current reader base in plans for changes to content in the future.
    Inspired choice to introduce a well known blogger as editor. A decision probably unprecedented in print media history in NZ, a modern phenomenon crossing with an old, also bringing parallels to celebrity choices for talk back hosts or tv presenters.
    Should be a hold on to your hat excursion whichever way viewed.
    I think it shows that traditional and cyber print were never much varied, rather that cyber print worked in the out lands as society adjusted to another information medium.

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  166. nasska (11,813 comments) says:

    Mallard……that name rings a bell. Not the short bloke with the lycra fetish is he? :)

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  167. Steve (North Shore) (4,591 comments) says:

    Anyway, off to finish the BBQ and watch fireworks. Red/green lettuce, spring onions, asparagus, orange/yellow capsiucum, mandarine, chunks of varaied cheese, and a huge hunk of steak marinated in garlic and oil.

    Eat your heart out Philip Ure phool magpie

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  168. Steve (North Shore) (4,591 comments) says:

    Tintinabulations nasska, yeah that one, the duck.
    See ya, my mum told me to stop it with the blogs for tonight

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  169. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    SPC

    You make it sound like you’ve actually read the ‘Truth” – lets be honest no one has actually bought a copy for 20 years.

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  170. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    Nostalgia, I suspect it’s of a realisation that a small print/sales run paper needs to establish an on line presence and get advertising revenue from that.

    This diminishes the importance of the day the “paper is published” and made available.

    They should go for pre weekend sport and post week in politics. Then post weekend sport and the week ahead in politics. Two editions – like janus, with updates on-line.

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  171. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    It’s quite sad if not amusing that some of the lefty screw balls that frequent this site enjoy the freedom of expressing their views no matter how anti establishment they are. If I was to try to express similar thoughts.. Opinions on the left wing sites I would be banished for ever. As the Fred Dagg song goes… You don’t know how lucky you are.

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  172. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Will be an interesting watch SPC.

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  173. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    SPC The Hezbollah, smart well disciplined troops.
    The Israelis, not so smart, putting a platoon of infantry into an old house to shelter overnight from the elements.
    Then they whined when the Hezbollah clobbered them with a dual warhead missile.
    Fuckers were too lazy to dig in

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  174. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    RF, you could always try Red Alert, frogblog and The Standard and find out. Unlike National, Labour and the Green MP’s post on-line and take comments. There are certainly right wingers critical of Greens and Labour posting on their sites, and some have been doing it for some time without any censorship.

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  175. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    goh, I suppose that would be the first time they targeted a missile on a combatant unit that was not also Lebanese. I wonder if those skills are now being used in Syria on fellow Islamists on behalf of the secular Baath party – just because it’s dominated by Shia and is thus an ally of Iran the Hizbollah sponsor. So much for integrity.

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  176. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Sorry SPC I have seen the adverse comments against those brave souls who rock the boat. It just reinforces my belief that the labour party and it’s spawn is the nasty party.

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  177. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    RK, so it appears to both left and right when they are in the minority. But adverse comment is not censorship.

    All blogs are territorial and guests that offer criticsm risk a haka/challenging reaction.

    It’s just a form of home game refereeing/crowd barracking that visitors have to put up with to participate in the debate.

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  178. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    SPC. It is sad that I was once a card carrying member of Labour and deeply involved in my local LEC in a North Island branch. I came across information that I did not believe to be a true reflection of what this country is all about. I would never rat on Labour but at the same time I would never ever support them again.

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  179. SPC (5,784 comments) says:

    I remember having a correspondence with Douglas in 1983 before the 1984 election about what he thought should happen. He was very straight forward about it – he preferred an assets tax to a CGT, but later did neither etc. Nothing he did, before the flat tax idea, surprised me as it has all been signposted before 1984.

    While some in the Labour party felt betrayed, they must have been asleep to have been surprised – Lange chose him knowing all of it.

    Later sitting on a commuter train back before the 1990 election listening to two guys talks about the future of housing under the next government – things that were not in National’s manifesto, was a bit disenchanting. The money to be made knowing things others did not – sort of changes the way one sees the political process.

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  180. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    A few days to go and DPF hasn’t endorsed any candidate. How come?
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/265515-ethnic-mix-of-electorate-gives-campaigns-sleepless-nights

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  181. Manolo (14,078 comments) says:

    The growth of “freebies”: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/food-stamp-growth-75x-greater-job-creation_660073.html

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