A Labour-Green-NZF Cabinet

December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

James Henderson at The Standard blogs who he thinks would be the best -Green Cabinet, based on portfolios. They are:

  • PM – Shearer
  • Finance – Norman
  • Social Dev – Turei
  • Econ Dev – Parker
  • Health – Hague
  • Education – Robertson G
  • CERA – Dalziel
  • Housing – Ardern
  • Transport – Genter
  • Justice – Chauvel
  • Energy – Hughes
  • Labour – Little
  • Environment – Twyford
  • Attorney-General – Chauvel
  • Foreign Affairs – Goff
  • Maori/Treaty – Mahuta
  • Climate Change – Graham
  • Police – Little
  • Internal Affairs – Dyson
  • Commerce – Cosgrove

I thought I’d blog a possible Cabinet also, but not base it on my preferences but on current rankings. It is based on if there are 60 Govt MPs, being 36 Labour, 17 and 7 NZ First. I applied the St Lague formula to get a proportional allocation (that Shearer and Norman say would be their rough guide) and then allocated MPs from their current caucus ratings. They would be:

  1. David Shearer
  2. Russel Norman
  3. Grant Robertson
  4. David Parker
  5. Winston Peters
  6. Metiria Turei
  7. Jacinda Ardern
  8. Clayton Cosgrove
  9. Kevin Hague
  10. Nanaia Mahuta
  11. Maryan Street
  12. Catherine Delahunty
  13. William Su’a Sio
  14. Tracey Martin
  15. Phil Twyford
  16. Trevor Mallard
  17. Kennedy Graham
  18. Charles Chauvel
  19. Lianne Dalziel
  20. Eugenie Sage

At this stage I’m assuming Hone wouldn’t be a Minister, unless they needed his vote. Note this is not a prediction of 2014, just looking at what a left Government may look like.

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43 Responses to “A Labour-Green-NZF Cabinet”

  1. Mark (1,301 comments) says:

    DPF you are simply trying to be mischievous putting Norman in the finance role. it will never happen but it will get a few people excited.

    [DPF: Umm The Standard author put him there. I didn't. And of course it can happen if they get enough votes]

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  2. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    Norman would get finance — 2nd most important job and greens are a major partner so why not?

    I wonder what would happen to the kiwi dollar ? I suspect a plunge.

    So, exporters, vote labour.

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  3. George Patton (330 comments) says:

    @Mark – it wasn’t DPF being mischievous, it was The Standard who did it first! This is the left’s view!

    No Cunliffe anywhere I see.

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  4. lazza (296 comments) says:

    Well David … now that! list … Lab/G/NZF cabinet should do it. Reminds me of “a group version” of the creation of Frankenstein …

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  5. Graeme Edgeler (3,216 comments) says:

    André Sainte-Laguë wasn’t a Saint (or a street), so his name probably shouldn’t be abbreviated.

    That said, I’m not sure I’d be completely opposed to going back to the system of name abbreviations we used to use :-)

    ref: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Abbreviations_for_English_given_names

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  6. anonymouse (651 comments) says:

    I am fairly sure that having NZF (ie Winston Raymond Peters) and the Greens in Cabinet are two mutually exclusive events,

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  7. Manolo (12,622 comments) says:

    Gloom and doom all round. Nutters and socialists …a diabolical mix and fatal combination for our country.

    It would be a befitting follow-up to National and Smile-and-wave’s piss-weak and indecisive government.

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  8. MD (60 comments) says:

    I’ve reallocated the portfolios to take account of the fact both Winston and Hone will be required for a majority (if not initially, shortly after when some scandal erupts).
    So I’ve added some of the better NZF MP’s into the mix. Obviously Local Government should be a slam dunk, but that’s not in cabinet so commerce or internal affairs it had to be for Andrew Williams. Again with Primary Industries / Agriculture, so Richard Prosser can have Environment. Obviously with so much contention for positions, some needed to be dropped, I’ve tried to remove those who are really past their use by date (Dyson, Goff). Twyford and Cosgrove were unintentional casualties, but feel free to try and fit them in somewhere. I really don’t see Winston agreeing to 5 and 14 as the only cabinet presence (OK maybe if they offer him deputy PM).

    PM – Shearer
    Finance – Norman
    Social Dev – Turei
    Econ Dev – Winston Peters
    Health – Hague
    Education – Robertson G
    CERA – Dalziel
    Housing – Ardern
    Transport – Genter
    Justice – Chauvel
    Energy – Hughes
    Labour – Little
    Environment – Richard Prosser
    Attorney-General – Chauvel
    Foreign Affairs – Parker
    Maori/Treaty – Hariwara
    Climate Change – Graham
    Police – Little
    Internal Affairs – Mahuta
    Commerce – Andrew Williams

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  9. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Looking at this, just makes me sick. Sorry I hope I never have to see this again.

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  10. James Butler (75 comments) says:

    @MD: I can’t see the Greens OR Labour agreeing to a climate change denier in charge of Environment

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  11. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    There’s more than a suspicion that ‘James Henderson’ is a part of the Green PR machine, so his suggestions may have had some Norman input.

    This same pseudonym has posted today with a harder line on Norman’s attack on the Reserve Bank:

    Last month, new Reserve Bank Governor Graeme Wheeler told Parliament that our banks aren’t excessively profitable – middle of the pack internationally. He was lying.

    Russel Norman asked the RBNZ for its evidence. The graph they supplied was a desperate attempt at deception. It omitted Europe’s banks, it compared our banks’ after-tax profits to other countries’ pre-tax profits – and our banks were still the 5th most profitable!

    Looks like we’ve got another Reserve Bank Governor who will put the interests of the Aussie banks ahead of New Zealanders and New Zealand jobs every time.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/wheeler-lies-on-bank-profits/

    If this is in fact PR for Norman it raises even more questions about his suitability as Finance Minister. Would a Labour-Green government throw Wheeler out as soon as they got in?

    The first comment on that thread:

    outofbed

    Seems to me one of the most interesting aspects of this post is that Russel Norman and the Greens are on to it once again!

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  12. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    @sparky – yep, I come over all Bruce Dickinson reading those lists.

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  13. YesWeDid (1,002 comments) says:

    James Hendersen actually says:

    ‘in reality, Norman would probably get Economic Development and Parker Finance’

    I would agree with that on the basis that Norman would also be deputy Prime Minister.

    DPF probably thinks he is doing a good job here with a bit of Green bashing fear mongering but in reality any opposition that wants to be government has to appear as a government in waiting and DPF posting this actually helps with that perception.

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  14. Liberty (211 comments) says:

    It really is a scary scenario.

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  15. OTGO (457 comments) says:

    If that scenario did actually happen then that is proof that the cream does NOT always rise to the top which is a theory I have had for several years in dealing with idiots who are running some companies larger than the one I work for.

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  16. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    And these fucking idiot politicians chatter daily in the house about the number of people leaving the country for fairer climes.

    For fuck’s sake- with such a scenario as illustrated in the post, who with a brain would stay?

    The old cart analogy is being so plainly played out, where those riding in the cart gradually come to outnumber those pulling it.

    …and politicians seeking votes deceive the poor suckers in the cart into thinking there are still enough pulling it, when there isn’t, because anyone with brains and diligence and ability has grown tired of the burden of supporting a nation of knuckle dragging gape jawed drooling idiots and fucked off overseas.

    You only have to read the comments on Kiwiblog, with 95% of them made by low information left voting retards, to know that brains are in desperately short supply in NZ.

    Just the situation the left desire, for they know the more dumbfucks on the vote roll, the greater their chance of being elected to power.

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  17. thedavincimode (6,113 comments) says:

    brains are in desperately short supply in NZ

    Not to mention originality. There are 1,480 recent examples on both counts.

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  18. MD (60 comments) says:

    @James Butler – I accept your point about Climate Change, but it does have it’s own Minister anyway. The difference is relative power in the negotiations. Much as I dislike Winston he is pretty good at brinkmanship and his is the only party that could go the other way and form a coalition with National, so he could be king maker again. In my view this makes it unlikely that he would settle for 2 in cabinet, so 3 or 4 is more likely. Given that make your own picks as to who or what, I was perhaps being a little facetious here.

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  19. In Vino Veritas (136 comments) says:

    If this were to happen, the export of our worst and dumbest to Australia would stop, and our best and brightest would start leaving in their droves.

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  20. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (1,480) Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    And these fucking idiot politicians chatter daily in the house about the number of people leaving the country for fairer climes.

    For fuck’s sake- with such a scenario as illustrated in the post, who with a brain would stay?

    Paging Passenger Redbaiter; paging Passenger Redbaiter; a passenger on Air New Zealand flight NZ0006 to Los Angeles.

    You are now delaying the departure of this service.

    Please board the aircraft IMMEDIATELY through Gate 23.

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  21. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    “Not to mention originality.”

    As someone who professes to represent an opposing political force to the Labour/ Greens left bloc, Davinci, you’ve failed miserably.

    When are you going to accept your failure, admit you’ve totally fucked it, and apologise to every other NZer facing enslavement by the left for your cowardice and ineffectiveness?

    You can’t do that of course, because self delusion is your religion. You prefer just to come on here making infantile comments designed to deflect from your complete and utter political incompetence.

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  22. thedavincimode (6,113 comments) says:

    Correction: 1,481.

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  23. Redbaiter (6,478 comments) says:

    Actually, 95% was being fucking generous.

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  24. emmess (1,333 comments) says:

    The only person in the Standard’s list that comes across remotely normal or likeable is Shearer himself.

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  25. thedavincimode (6,113 comments) says:

    When are you going to accept your failure, admit you’ve totally fucked it, and apologise to every other NZer facing enslavement by the left for your cowardice and ineffectiveness?

    Remarkable.

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  26. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    When are you going to accept your failure, admit you’ve totally fucked it, and apologise to every other NZer facing enslavement by the left for your cowardice and ineffectiveness?

    We need more than an apology as we become weighed down by davinci’s chains. If only there was one person who could rescue us. Master Redbaiter?

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  27. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Is there a cabinet position as Minister of Toilet Cleaning? That’s an appropriate position to be offered to a Green MP.

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  28. cubit (356 comments) says:

    Defence?

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  29. thedavincimode (6,113 comments) says:

    PG

    My sincerest aplogies to you, and indeed the entire country. I hadn’t realised that Russell had finally come to realise what the rest of us know; that phase 2 of his 20 year grand plan has met the same fate as phase 1 did on day 1. Or was it just that he wanted to focus his energies on bridge toll protests?

    In my defence, I hadn’t realised that he had passed the baton of liberty on to me. Did I miss something? :(

    [wailing knashing hand-wringing font] Oh, if only he had reached out to me. Sob.

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  30. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    The biggest problem with a Labour/Green cabinet is that it would contain MPs from the Labour and Green parties.

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  31. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    Defence?

    No we don’t need that anymore cubit. You see, the Gweens will just instruct our UN representative to explain to the other countries how much of an international nice guy NZ is, and then we won’t ever be invaded. This is the “pwogwessive” advanced thinking in action, you see.

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  32. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    The one thing we need in this country is a Social Development minister who actually realises that her ministry does serious damange due to it’s lack of accountability.

    Anyone from the Green party is likely to make what is already a bad situation worse, by increasing, rather than reducing, CYFS power.

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  33. Viking2 (10,712 comments) says:

    Never going to happen.
    Winston will simply not cuddle the left but will do a deal with the Nats. He never changes and has never changed. He is the original Nat even if none of you like that fact. He hasn’t changed, the Nats moved left under Bolger and co and have remained anchored to the pinko’s.

    Look for National NZ First Govt.
    Like it or not.
    Once that happens we will see a rise of a right Party.

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  34. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    Winston wil simply not cuddle the left but will do a deal with the Nats.

    How come he aligned with Hulun then V2?

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  35. Paulus (2,296 comments) says:

    Reid

    Peters aligned with Clark because he is a lying hypocritical prostitute who sold his body to the highest bidder, and who still has not paid back the $158,000 he stole from taxpayers.

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  36. Key is our man (521 comments) says:

    Looking at the talent here, I am very optimistic of our future. This is a winning combination in 2014 and serves John Key right for taking the eye of the ball and trying to cruise around.

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  37. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Hmm. Let’s see…

    1. Housing – Adern – Apparently she can’t even find one for herself. Not much hope for anyone else then.

    2. Education – Robertson – Yes, well a chance for him to finish his.

    3. Transport – Genter – Best news for buggy whip manufacturers since the comeback of chariot racing failed

    4. Labour – Little – Labour is as Little does.

    5. Attorney-General – Chauval – That’s Generalissimo thank you very much

    6. Police – Little – I imagine we will under him

    7. Environment – Twyford – Well it took him long enough to get into it [the political one.] At least we can be sure he will value it.

    Not an inspiring list, it has to be said. And having Norman in the finance role is too depressing a thought to write about.

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  38. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Key is our man (44) Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    Looking at the talent here, I am very optimistic of our future. This is a winning combination in 2014 and serves John Key right for taking the eye of the ball and trying to cruise around.

    REPLY: to above.
    Anyone that thinks this pathetic lot of Leftie MP’s is talented, is lacking in brain matter badly. (OMG winning combination you have to be joking) NZ does not want to suffer at the hands of absolute Morons, that haven’t got a clue. John Key has never taken his eye off the ball, he has been a very responsible PM, that has eased us through a very turbulent time, and with the world economic crisis, we are dam lucky we have him and his ministers, as opposed to the Left, who would have us in the same camp as Europe.

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  39. sparky (235 comments) says:

    It certainly isn’t an inspiring list. Just looking at Wussel Norman is DEPRESSING. They really are a terrible group of MP’s.

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  40. Sean (294 comments) says:

    Looks like I won’t be returning to NZ any time this decade…

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  41. SPC (4,639 comments) says:

    Pete George, maybe you join TV3 and help their reporters making up stories.

    Norman has never said that he sought the Finance Minister position – he was asked whether the Greens would want the Finance portfolio and he would not rule it out. No one rules out anything before the negotiations -no one (sensible) concedes positions without anything in return.

    Norman would be deputy PM. There will be more than one person in Finance – associates (including the Econ Development and Infrastructure Ministers). This provides room for Parker, Cunliffe and Clark and possibly Norman.

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  42. Mark (1,301 comments) says:

    No room for Hipkins? He surely will be rewarded for his loyalty to Shearer during the Cunliffe fiasco. He has also made fairly short work of Parata in the House which Mahuta was incapable of doing. You have to say that it is a pretty uninspiring lot to be honest.

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  43. pq (728 comments) says:

    yes very funny farrar,you just don’t get it do you.
    NZ First 9% knock knock , go for another walk Farrar,
    here we come farrar,
    national statsitics farrar,
    grey power farrar, we are mobilising now

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