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A particular trade group [you weren't supposed to work out they were tobacco companies] has advertised extensively on television here saying “tobacco is harmful” so why should there be a threat of legal action when the Government moves to further kerb this product which the manufacturers themselves agree harms people?
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• Solid Energy wants to keep secret details of the final payment made to former chief executive Don Elder, who left the company less than three weeks before its near financial collapse was revealed, but apparently is still pay of $1.3m
• What on Earth does the management at Mighty River Power think it was doing with its blanket refusal to answer questions posed by the very parliamentary committee to which those running the power generator are supposedly accountable?
If this is how these SOEs operate now in 100% Government ownership, it is going to be fucking great when they are only 51% state owned?
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Syphilis fuelled by iPhone applications such as Grindr have “come back with a vengeance” among Christchurch’s young homosexual community.
Sexual health physicians say the Government needs to take immediate action before the infection spreads into the heterosexual community – where it has the potential to claim the lives of unborn children.
Fraternity, liberty, equality
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Fidel Castro’s bodyguard Fabian Escalante estimates that the CIA attempted to kill the Cuban president an astonishing 638 times.
God – or at least a guardian angel – must have been watching over Infidel Castro all along.
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Thinks:In the morning, if you can’t get your briefs on after three attempts you should perhaps just go back to bed.
“A column in last week’s NBR by media commentator David Cohen contained an item about an investigation by the Dominion Post’s Investigations Editor Phil Kitchin into allegations made by a third party against the late Greg King.
David Cohen and the NBR regret any inference of impropriety on the part of Mr Kitchin or the Dominion Post and both acknowledge they have no grounds to believe the decision to investigate the allegations or the manner of that investigation were made and conducted other than in an entirely professional and ethical manner.
David Cohen and the NBR unreservedly retract any inference of impropriety contained in the column or earlier articles published by the NBR and sincerely apologise to Mr Kitchin and the Dominion Post.”
And here’s hoping that the Black Caps make the England bowlers drag their weary bodies back out this morning for ten overs or so more, just to underline their dominance in the test match. There is still a minimum of 196 overs remaining in the game, so New Zealand’s aim should be to bat only once.
@ wynkie – No-one alleged that the Dom-Post did anything underhand. They were perfectly entitled to seek comment from King. What was less kosher was the Dom-Post’s denials that they had been seeking comment when news broke of King’s disappearance; that certainly created the perception that the Dom-Post had something to hide.
Note how an important concept,censorship, in the home of political freedom ,Europe,was being sneaked in under cover of a so called celebration of women.
Manolo (9,178) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:57 am
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It means they are showing respect to the victim, to the ‘water’ that took the victims life, and perhaps also warning to others that there are dangers involved with swimming in that place.
They are NOT stone agers. They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices that has a legally recognised status. Your comment is equivalent to complaining because a hearse drives slow and holds up the traffic, or that cemeteries are a ‘waste of space’ and that Easter Eggs shouldn’t be sold in public. Those are European customs, just as this is a tangata whenua custom.
Learn to appreciate diversity and difference and respect other cultures, especially those that were practiced on this land long before pakeha established themselves here.
Hot tip for the day
Two tramadols on an empty stomach after an operation is not a good idea… especially if you are going to attempt to remain standing for half an hour. Had just been discharged from hospital after an operation which required general anaesthetic, and had a couple of hours to kill so decided to surf the net on the one internet terminal I could find in the Postshop. (Didnt take my netbook in in case it got pinched) Had to stand to use it as there was no chair provided, and after checking my emails went on Kiwiblog, and while scrolling through one of Ms Brights posts was starting to feel a bit dizzy then I blacked out and found myself on the floor…. recovered a minute or two later and decided a lie down in the hospital transition lounge might be a better idea…
Manolo (9,178) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:57 am
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It means they are showing respect to the victim, to the ‘water’ that took the victims life, and perhaps also warning to others that there are dangers involved with swimming in that place.
They are NOT stone agers. They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices that has a legally recognised status. Your comment is equivalent to complaining because a hearse drives slow and holds up the traffic, or that cemeteries are a ‘waste of space’ and that Easter Eggs shouldn’t be sold in public. Those are European customs, just as this is a tangata whenua custom.
Learn to appreciate diversity and difference and respect other cultures, especially those that were practiced on this land long before pakeha established themselves here.
Bleed your stupid heart out. Its all stone age mentality, uneducated myth based crap just like the God Fairy spruikers.
Gees this is 2013 and we are expected to revert to this. Wasn’t even done 50 years back and I doubt 700 years ago.
Just mindless crap from people without any mind function.
worse are the people who encourage this stuff. without doubt they all expect someone else to pay money somewhere along the way.
As bad as the religious nuts..
Believe what you like, its your right, but the rest of us don’t have too.
I willingly accept and adopt the practices of other cultures that I consider to be beneficial to me and my family (such as a stay-at-home spouse (traditional Japan), close paternal involvement with child-raising (NZ), refusing the white middle-class Kiwi tradition of packing the kids off to bed at 7:30 for the grown-ups benefit…(urban Japan).
You can’t force people to accept and adopt the practices of other cultures; they have to perceive some advantage to be gained.
I have a Cultural aversion to being fed this mindless crap from the Stoneagers and their Brown Noser’s. Unintelligent, non intellectual garbage from sad minds.
I doubt they will pay me some koha to go away.
Tell us what the performance stats are for these people.
The current epidemic of syphilis among male homosexuals in Christchurch is a bit of a worry.
People who responded with scorn and derision when i quoted Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl
Gates as saying that some LA homosexuals have, “Up to 1000 ‘contacts’ a year.” may be
interested to note that Christchurch DHB Dr Heather Young says she knows some ChCh male
homosexuals who have, “More than 50 ‘sexual partners’ in three months.”
I wouldn’t of placed a ban on that beach or any on that part of west Auckland, too heavily used and if they were more on to it they would encourage more swimming, I would and then sit back and laugh.
Just check the gyms, after a while they wreck a gyms rep amongst the straight couples who want to workout at one and move on. The last thing i want to see is one man shaving another man’s back at the gym.
“….The EU control freaks at it again…..Note how an important concept,censorship, in the home of political freedom ,Europe,was being sneaked in under cover of a so called celebration of women….”
Thanks for the link.
Gay parades show women & men in demeaning attire and positions too – but I bet they are immune from censorship!
One rule for us and one rule for them – but arn’t they asking the EU at the moment for “Marriage Equality” – they’re pathetic!
Most are the products of single Maori women, who by the way, also have nearly the highest abortion rate in the world. With Maori’dying out’ due to no full blooded Maori still living – it’s really quite sad.
Sometimes I really can’t work out some Maori men. They are a proud people, but then don’t commit themselves to their partner/wife and children. Then again maybe it’s the women. Or the lack of good leadership. Maybe it’s generational.
Most poor statistics I think, is due to intergenerational welfare largese. If it wasn’t for the largese combined with the ‘blame culture’ then I think Maori stats would be somewhat lower: The working week and what it gives families, and the reponsabilities that go with all of that, for the most part, knocks the nonsense out of most people.
Have to disagree with Imperator Fish’s characterisation of Pete George as the self-styled Beige Badger of NZ blogging, actually. If you trawl through his comments (or check out the unread and unloved Your NZ, i think it seems as if he is more unconsciously like the David Brent of the blogosphere.
From Wikipedia:
“He imagines his workers find him very funny and enjoy his company, while still respecting him and looking up to him as a boss, even a father figure. However, his employees generally find him annoying, frustrating and offensive.
A key aspect of the character of Brent is his obliviousness to how other people actually see him, causing him to lash out whenever the veil of ignorance and vanity he maintains is pierced…
Brent has a tendency to promote himself as a well-educated and politically correct middle-class man, but often demonstrates an unwittingly offensive attitude … However, his various attitudes and faux-pas — cringeworthy and insulting though they may appear — are rarely maliciously-intended; they are frequently the result of extreme ignorance and self-delusion, combined with a tendency to say the wrong thing at the wrong time….”
My friend Frank (banimarana – sp?) in Fiji states today that the two escaped prisoners who featured on you-tube getting beaten up deserved what they got and the security forces who captured them did the right thing.
Finally someone in charge sates the obvious – they got what they were asking for by escaping and holding people hostage.
On the syphilis thing in Christchurch.. I have no issue with promiscuity – gay, straight or whatever other alternatives are out there.. the thing that pisses me off is that suddenly “Sexual health physicians say the Government needs to take immediate action..” in the second paragraph of the Stuff article. FFS, the Govt ie taxpayers doesn’t have to take immediate action about everything.. except for making condoms freely available MAYBE.. which I think they do anyway. Lack of personal responsibility is destroying a great nation, piece by piece.. some know it and fight it.. some are not aware, some encourage it.. time for some Machine Gun Preachers methinks..
“…..Ironic that the bigots refer to Maori as ‘Stoneagers’ when their own social attitude has barely evolved beyond that of pond scum….’
Really Scott?
NZ public schools educate 92% of school age children, and they are the only ‘mainstay outside influence’ other than parents, in developing children into adults.
Now Scott,
If you truely believe that a NZ society can be built with low rates of crime, low unemployment, low rates of mental illness and disease, suicide too, along with low rates of violence, low rates of child abuse, low rates of parent break-ups, low rates of muders, rapes too – and all done without religion and God – then good luck with that ‘belief’ of yours Scott!
Because to become a reality Scott, all that you have is the Minister of Education, Hekia Parata and the NZ Teachers Union to do it.
And that Scott – is why we teach our children to pray!
A Timaru gynaecologist wants a campaign against promiscuity after encountering a shocking number of pregnant patients who cannot remember whom they had sex with….
He cited a survey by a condom maker that said New Zealand women were the most promiscuous in the world, with 20.3 sexual partners on average. The world average was 7.3.
It is not just the male homos we need to think about.
The other two points Chief Gates made in the same interview in relation to homosexuals were.
“The most promiscuous animal on earth is the male homosexual.” and,
“There is an element among male homosexuals who derive their ultimate gratification
from corrupting a youth.”
i seem to recall that the ‘most promiscuous’ part of Chief Gates’ observations was trumped by
a Kiwiblog correspondent who pointed to some snail or shellfish that was even more promiscuous.
Given the history of the Aids epidemic (1 in 20 male homosexuals in NZ are now riddled with aids)
it would seem inevitable that unless some positive action is taken soon this syphilis epidemic will
transfer into the heterosexual population, thanks to closeted gays in faux relationships with females.
Manolo is really an ancient Roman..His ancestors gave us roads , bridges and fantastic quotes . I have forgotten the Latin but the English is a treat.
”If Caesar were alive , you would be chained to an oar.”
I was going to send this to an ex high court judge I correspond with but restraint got the better of me.
“….And look exactly where that has got the human race. More people have been killed in the name of ‘god’ than for any other cause….”
No. Subscription has killed them all – and not in the name of God – but peace!
“….As you have amply demonstrated, most prejudices are established under the pretense of ‘gods word’….’
I very, seldom use the G or R words in debates – I tend to get my best points across without the need of them, but of course I could fall back on them.
“…..If praying worked, we wouldn’t be having this conversation….”
Praying is not all that religion is about, it is mostly about living as Christ said we should -you know Judith- being a good wife and mother and all that. Peaceful too.
I believe the Commandments offer a valuable moral compass to those that need or want it. Not being a believer doesn’t necessarily make many of us lack direction or morals or whatever you want to call it, and obviously the inverse applies. Socialism hates religion and the fact that it is an alternative control mechanism.. that aspect alone leans me toward God.
Quite right freemark. Though not a Christian. I’ve never coveted my neighbours Ox, probably because I farm sheep.
Likewise I have never coveted my neighbours wife mainly because his Ox is prettier.
A man can learn a lot from the bible!
You are allowed to do charitable work watty…..the wife is a charity as I give her all my money…then I mow the lawns – for her….wash the car – for her. Marriage and religion have their problems – sometimes I think that God might be infact a woman !
So, the crash was on the Bombays.. northbound.. how the fuck they connect this with an imaginary “snarl” on Auckland’s Rds is totally beyond me.. any excuse to push for Len’s trainset, which someone else will pay for..
FFS, the standard of journalism is appalling, the leftism of it despicable…
Really? So she performs for money? Let’s hope you are the only one making ‘donations’.
Incidently I think that is a god damn awful thing to say about someone you are meant to love as an equal – its comments like that which make me glad I am intelligent enough to not be a fellow believer.
BTW does she think of you as a charity for what she voluntarily does for you?
“a survey by a condom maker that said New Zealand women were the most promiscuous in the world, with 20.3 sexual partners on average. The world average was 7.3.”
“It is not just the male homos we need to think about.”
Kea discussing the promiscuity of heterosexual women is not discussing it in isolation from those they have sex with, heterosexual men. Of course part of the problem (for local heterosexual men) may be the inclusion in the stats of Kiwi women who do OE (who do more of this than women of most other countries) and do a lot of their pre-marital fun and games while drunk in London etc.
I presume people are aware that the original sabbath day (seventh day is the meaning of the term sabbath) is still kept by Jews, but not by many Christians (Rome banned observance of the sabbath day by Christians at the Council of Laodicea in 365CE and would forcibly confiscate the household property of those who did not work on this day).
Kea, I explained why – and I did this politely – part of the problem (for local heterosexual men)
(it may have otherwise been with tourists who came here looking for the 100% pure Kiwi woman of the land of Papatuanuku experience)
The more impolite version is that having been with heterosexual Kiwi men they decided to do it with each other so they could experience an orgasm while present with a sex partner.
Kea, I doubt if any Kiwi women aside from prostitutes would have 50 causal partners in a 3 month period unlike the homosexuals mentions in the article.
SPC, most of my male friends are not kiwis and have an even lower opinion of kiwi women that the kiwi men do. European and Asian women share that opinion of them.
Even other kiwi women who have lived over seas share that opinion. The only ones sticking up for them are the broken men of our feminist society. It is those types that repulse kiwi girls, the PC grovelling men that NZ is full of. No girl likes that, not even our feminist harpies.
Chuck Bird, yes I agree. Homos certainly get around a bit. Not sure what it is, but possibly it is due to the nature of male sexuality, with no moderating influence.
It really is an issue in terms of public health. I say that as someone who is not anti-gays.
Kea, so you say you think that Kiwi women prefer men who have a low opinion of them – men like yourself or foreign born ones? Does it follow that otherwise they like foreign women, European born and Asians. Then of the two, what would be their preference?
How can New Zealand be full of PC men, who no girl likes – when local women marry local men?
The Jerry Springer Show will soon be your neighbourhood!
[1] Marriage is being defined down to the level of essentially non-procreative homosexual emotional relationships.
[2] “But Mr Van Beek told the Dutch media:’I think that repressing you fantasies can lead to frustration and ultimately, for some types of paedophile, to a greater likelihood of doing something wrong. ‘If you make virtual child pornography under strict government control with a label explaining that no child was abused, you can give paedophiles a way of regulating their sexual urges.’
“Mr van Lunsen added: ‘We don’t make enough of a distinction in public debate between “healthy” paedophiles, people who are not paedosexually active, and delinquent paedosexuals. We’re not responsible for our thoughts or our fantasies, we’re only responsible for one thing – our actions’.”
There you go folks – according to these two sexperts, there are “healthy” paedophiles, and we cannot control what we think about.
How can New Zealand be full of PC men, who no girl likes – when local women marry local men?
SPC, desperation, they know no better, lack of choices, and my comments are a generalization only. I was married to a kiwi for many years. I have many kiwi friends who are women.
wat, is keeping the Sunday as a day of rest required by the churches of Christianity?
Early churches gathered on the Sunday (if most were Gentiles) and on the Sabbath Day (if most were Jews) but a day of rest on the Sunday was not required.
After 365CE, the churches were exclusively non sabbath day keeping (except for individuals doing this in secret for fear of persecution) and eventually the idea of the Sunday as a day of rest for the church was established (in 321CE Constantine established Sunday as the day of the sun of Rome). This became the cultural order of Europe, and so no one worked on Sundays – mimicking the sabbath day keeping of Jews.
But it was never a church rule, just a practice. Today only Mormons and individual Christians (such as those that will not play sport) take it seriously. I am not even sure if Mormons who play professional sport take it seriously (maybe they pay extra tithe to keep sweet with their church).
• Dame Anne Salmond – writer, anthropologist and New Zealander of the Year
• Wayne Smith – former All Black first five-eighths and assistant World Cup coach
• Dame Fiona Kidman – poet and writer
• Fiona Farrell – writer
• Celia Wade-Brown – Mayor of Wellington
• Sir Alan Mark – Professor Emeritus
• Grahame Sydney – artist
• Glenn Turner – retired cricketer
• Dr Philip Temple – writer
• Josh Kronfeld – former All Black
• Te Radar – comedian, activist and TV personality
• Chris Laidlaw – former All Black, Rhodes Scholar, Wellington councillor and broadcaster
• Keri Hulme – writer
• Tamsin Cooper – fashion designer and TV personality
“He’s a little 9-year-old kid and it was his birthday cupcakes,” Brown said. “These guys (soldiers) are heroes, and too many people are confusing them with psychopaths.”
It fair gives me warm fuzzies all the way down my alimentary canal to realise that such greats are looking after the planet & keeping a watch on our carbon.
Mind you seeing a yeoman of wankers such as Laidlaw’s name on the list helped too.
The shortage of Wharfies, Plumbers, Mechanics and Forklift Drivers on the list has me wondering if the team will be able to take the country along with them on their crusade!
@Johnboy: The former half back will be good at arranging travel – there’s an ugly rumour he found an old book of taxi chits in the back of the wardrobe.
nasska (5,827) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Kea
For some unknown reason Pommie chicks do it for me as far as partners go
Each to his own.
“It is far from an achievement to be proud of – research suggests that British men and women are the most promiscuous in the Western world.”
This was from the same study that revealed Kiwi women as the most promiscuous in the world. It should not be a surprise, as we are a British culture, without the moderating influence of Europe next door.
Good on you for getting through 30 years. I am a strong believer in marriage.
Steve (North Shore) (3,499) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Well what a General Masturbate that was.
I am thinking of grabbing my dick as 99% here today have.
Ok boys. We either have a liar or a women here amongst us in that 1% !
i look forward to a host of faggots giving this post a thumbs down.
bereal, are you still looking forward to all that attention from a host of faggots ? They seem to be ignoring you. Maybe you should work on your pick up lines.
Put another way, if it is okay to ignore the prohibition on working on the Sabbath then it is equally okay to steal and to commit murder, repeatedly.
So speaketh wat, the authority on not just the bible and forget all the theology on that over the last two thousand years because wat knows better than all of them, but also on how every single Christian in the world today actually really does interpret it, in their own minds.
Wow.
Talk about the biggest mind in history, or is it just an ego thing and he just thinks he knows? One of the two. Who knows which one it is? Let’s see.
wat, what do you see as the main errors in the Standard Model and how do you reconcile those? If you answer correctly, you could win the Nobel Prize for Physics. If you don’t, I’m going to have to conclude it’s just an ego thing you’ve got going on, and proceed to speculate on causes.
wat, personally, I think it was presumptious of Moses to have presumed that the buttocks that he saw belonged to the Creator of all creation, this is just a form of very pagan and unnatural idolotry.
wat, second point the Hebrew word for eternal is not a name for God. Third the point of relating law to an eternal source is to describe law as something that is part of a social contract (rule of a national society) across its generations – covenant nation law.
SPC, I think biblical case law gives some guidance on this issue:
Numbers 15:32-35, “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
What we can see is that the LORD demands a cruel death for a man collecting firewood to feed his family.
Kea, that Moses claimed to have heard a God instructing him to kill others is not the surprising thing, but that others who had faith in a God would believe him.
I suspect it must be part of some secret inner cabal – survival of the fittest cult induction – only those capable of lasting a night in the open without fire or a day without preparing food were allowed to access the promised land. This after 40 years wandering around and all of the weak were eliminated.
More seriously, in terms of group authoritarianism the logic is unmistakable – hear and obey or die. And it is no less common in group authoritarianism claiming to act in agency for God.
Apparently the punishment for not gathering sufficient wood before the sabbath day was to go without a fire or cooked food. Doing something about it was not to be an option.
That said my original point stands – it requires no more effort to pick an apple from a tree than out of a bowl inside the house – and walking to the tree outside the house is not a banned activity.
The Pharisees accused him of this (Matthew 12). They were described as being dead on the inside, making the law a burden.
The response of verse 7 speaks of the importance of mercy. Without understanding the balance between mercy and severity the legal code appears harsh and unforgiving.
An example is the death penalty for disobedient children. According to Judaic law the death penalty can not be applied unless there is testimony from two or three witnesses. However, Judaic law doesn’t require witnesses to testify, so parents can judge the intent of their child and prevent the punishment by remaining silent.
Mercy and intent are related. Gathering firewood on the sabbath seems to be a trivial matter, but it could have been gathered lawfully the previous day, and at the time it was obvious to the people that their deity was quite capable of severity in judgement.
Why Did God Kill A Man For Picking Up Sticks On The Sabbath Day?
What was the Sabbath Day? The Sabbath was a ceremonial law given only to Old Testament Jews living in Palestine. Ceremonial laws pictured divine truths. Some were shadows of things to come. Colossians 2:14-17 teaches that the ceremonial laws ceased at Calvary when Jesus died on the cross. God had commanded the Jews to work 6-days, but on the Sabbath they were to rest completely. COMPLETELY!!! The 6-days of man working represents human effort in salvation. No amount of human effort can save. The Sabbath is our precious Lord Jesus Christ, in Whom we rest completely for salvation. The Sabbath was a shadow of the coming Messiah, “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). God is telling us through the death of this man that adding even the smallest amount of human effort will send us to Hell forever.
Now you know why God sentenced the man to death for breaking the Sabbath. Leave those sticks alone my friend! Don’t touch them! Don’t add to the gift of God! God is teaching everyone who reads the Bible that He will kill anyone who adds human effort to faith alone in Jesus Christ for salvation. Salvation is by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING!
They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices that has a legally recognised status. Your comment is equivalent to complaining because a hearse drives slow and holds up the traffic, or that cemeteries are a ‘waste of space’ and that Easter Eggs shouldn’t be sold in public. Those are European customs, just as this is a tangata whenua custom
“……For at the heart of the decades-long onslaught by the Left against the core tenets of Western society lies the doctrine of ‘non-judgmentalism’, under which it has become forbidden to suggest that anyone’s lifestyle is more socially desirable than any other.
Worse still, those whose behaviour lies outside conventional social norms are deemed to be ‘victims’ and their demands have been relabelled ‘rights’.
So views that mothers and fathers are better for children than lone parents or step-parents, or that deliberately having babies outside marriage is selfish and irresponsible, have became unsayable.
The fundamental need children have for their own mother and father has simply been trumped by the selfish desires of adults.
To mask this abandonment of children, their core need was redefined as being ‘lifted out of poverty’ – which merely made their mothers ever more dependent on state benefits, and thus promoted sexual anarchy even further.
The result has been an unmitigated disaster. In some areas, several generations of family disintegration have resulted in a total breakdown in parenting, so that children are becoming horrifyingly incapable of even basic functions.
According to the Government’s adviser on problem families, Louise Casey, some three-year-olds are unable to walk because they are habitually parked in their buggies in front of the TV.
And Russell Hobby, general secretary of the National Association of Headteachers, has spoken of children who, when they come to school, can only grunt as they haven’t been taught to speak; and who may also still be in nappies at the age of five.
Ms Casey laments that no official initiatives seem to get through to such families. Of course not – because the one thing that is needed above all, to remove the perverse incentives that have destroyed marriage in such areas, is the one policy that will never be enacted.
The real reason the Tories won’t properly address this is not just the inane social nihilism of Nick Clegg. It is surely because the Tory leadership itself has such a shallow and reductive view of marriage – including among its supposed cheerleaders.
Look at the reasons they give for supporting marriage – that it promotes stability, unselfishness and self-sacrifice. That was the substance of Michael Gove’s paean of praise for the institution yesterday, as he made the case for extending it to gays.
Similarly, Mr Cameron says marriage is all about commitment and that it’s better for children to be brought up in strong and stable relationships.
All very true. But it misses the point. Tellingly, neither of them identifies what makes marriage a unique institution.
This is that it is the safest way of generating human identity, which is necessarily produced by the conjunction of male and female.
That is why children’s psychological health – despite the heroic efforts of so many lone parents – generally depends on their being brought up by both a mother and father.
That is why marriage is unique, and why it has a unique place in society. And that is why it is socially so destructive to promote the expansion of any sexual relationships outside marriage.
But the Tory leadership never says this. It presents marriage not as the inimitable union of the two components of human identity, but instead merely as a utilitarian contract. Thus for all its weasel words it has made marriage intensely vulnerable.
To ensure the success of its social engineering project, the Left also hijacked the language. ‘Equality’ was twisted into identical outcomes; ‘compassion’ became a fig-leaf for irresponsibility; and ‘liberal’ became a synonym for bullying.
Failing utterly to grasp what was happening, the Cameroons decided to ‘detoxify the Tory brand’ by themselves adopting these corrupted terms and ideas.
Accordingly, they turned themselves into collaborators with those cultural revolutionaries whose aim was to unpick the intricate tapestry of laws, customs and attitudes that had made Britain civilised.
Instead of realising that the supreme task for today’s conservatives is to fight this culture war, they even incorporated the most subversive part of its agenda – the undermining of the traditional family – into their own programme.
It is this betrayal of conservatism which lies at the heart of the Tories’ discontents – and for which they will never be forgiven…..” – Melanie Phillips.
Now just replace the name Cameron with Key, and add Key’s defiance -not winding down the Department of Womens’ Batteries- as Key said he would, and -not changing the discipline law[smacking]-, again like Key said he would, and what do you have – another red to the core Bolshevik !
March 9th, 2013 at 8:04 am
A particular trade group [you weren't supposed to work out they were tobacco companies] has advertised extensively on television here saying “tobacco is harmful” so why should there be a threat of legal action when the Government moves to further kerb this product which the manufacturers themselves agree harms people?
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• Solid Energy wants to keep secret details of the final payment made to former chief executive Don Elder, who left the company less than three weeks before its near financial collapse was revealed, but apparently is still pay of $1.3m
• What on Earth does the management at Mighty River Power think it was doing with its blanket refusal to answer questions posed by the very parliamentary committee to which those running the power generator are supposedly accountable?
If this is how these SOEs operate now in 100% Government ownership, it is going to be fucking great when they are only 51% state owned?
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Syphilis fuelled by iPhone applications such as Grindr have “come back with a vengeance” among Christchurch’s young homosexual community.
Sexual health physicians say the Government needs to take immediate action before the infection spreads into the heterosexual community – where it has the potential to claim the lives of unborn children.
Fraternity, liberty, equality
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Fidel Castro’s bodyguard Fabian Escalante estimates that the CIA attempted to kill the Cuban president an astonishing 638 times.
God – or at least a guardian angel – must have been watching over Infidel Castro all along.
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Thinks:In the morning, if you can’t get your briefs on after three attempts you should perhaps just go back to bed.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:06 am
A deserved apology by NBR and David Cohen to Phil Kitchin and the Dominion Post.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/apology-phil-kitchin-and-dominion-post-apology-ng-137008
“A column in last week’s NBR by media commentator David Cohen contained an item about an investigation by the Dominion Post’s Investigations Editor Phil Kitchin into allegations made by a third party against the late Greg King.
David Cohen and the NBR regret any inference of impropriety on the part of Mr Kitchin or the Dominion Post and both acknowledge they have no grounds to believe the decision to investigate the allegations or the manner of that investigation were made and conducted other than in an entirely professional and ethical manner.
David Cohen and the NBR unreservedly retract any inference of impropriety contained in the column or earlier articles published by the NBR and sincerely apologise to Mr Kitchin and the Dominion Post.”
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Raw power brought both the Hurricanes and Black Sox home last night. See what we mean…
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/an-enjoyable-troika.html
And here’s hoping that the Black Caps make the England bowlers drag their weary bodies back out this morning for ten overs or so more, just to underline their dominance in the test match. There is still a minimum of 196 overs remaining in the game, so New Zealand’s aim should be to bat only once.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:24 am
This is funny, while some here see red and black Scotty sees beige and grey: Internet hero just trying to make world a greyer place
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:25 am
@ wynkie – No-one alleged that the Dom-Post did anything underhand. They were perfectly entitled to seek comment from King. What was less kosher was the Dom-Post’s denials that they had been seeking comment when news broke of King’s disappearance; that certainly created the perception that the Dom-Post had something to hide.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:30 am
The EU control freaks at it again.
Note how an important concept,censorship, in the home of political freedom ,Europe,was being sneaked in under cover of a so called celebration of women.
Once again the gender agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9917189/MEPs-to-vote-on-EU-ban-on-all-forms-of-pornography.html#disqus_thread
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:57 am
Some Stone Agers impose a “cultural” ban, whatever that means,: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8402740/Iwi-bans-swimming-at-site-of-drowning
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Manolo (9,178) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:57 am
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It means they are showing respect to the victim, to the ‘water’ that took the victims life, and perhaps also warning to others that there are dangers involved with swimming in that place.
They are NOT stone agers. They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices that has a legally recognised status. Your comment is equivalent to complaining because a hearse drives slow and holds up the traffic, or that cemeteries are a ‘waste of space’ and that Easter Eggs shouldn’t be sold in public. Those are European customs, just as this is a tangata whenua custom.
Learn to appreciate diversity and difference and respect other cultures, especially those that were practiced on this land long before pakeha established themselves here.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Hot tip for the day
Two tramadols on an empty stomach after an operation is not a good idea… especially if you are going to attempt to remain standing for half an hour. Had just been discharged from hospital after an operation which required general anaesthetic, and had a couple of hours to kill so decided to surf the net on the one internet terminal I could find in the Postshop. (Didnt take my netbook in in case it got pinched) Had to stand to use it as there was no chair provided, and after checking my emails went on Kiwiblog, and while scrolling through one of Ms Brights posts was starting to feel a bit dizzy then I blacked out and found myself on the floor…. recovered a minute or two later and decided a lie down in the hospital transition lounge might be a better idea…
Regards
Vote:Peter J
see http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz
March 9th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Judith (1,730) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Manolo (9,178) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:57 am
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It means they are showing respect to the victim, to the ‘water’ that took the victims life, and perhaps also warning to others that there are dangers involved with swimming in that place.
They are NOT stone agers. They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices that has a legally recognised status. Your comment is equivalent to complaining because a hearse drives slow and holds up the traffic, or that cemeteries are a ‘waste of space’ and that Easter Eggs shouldn’t be sold in public. Those are European customs, just as this is a tangata whenua custom.
Learn to appreciate diversity and difference and respect other cultures, especially those that were practiced on this land long before pakeha established themselves here.
Bleed your stupid heart out. Its all stone age mentality, uneducated myth based crap just like the God Fairy spruikers.
Gees this is 2013 and we are expected to revert to this. Wasn’t even done 50 years back and I doubt 700 years ago.
Just mindless crap from people without any mind function.
worse are the people who encourage this stuff. without doubt they all expect someone else to pay money somewhere along the way.
As bad as the religious nuts..
Believe what you like, its your right, but the rest of us don’t have too.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Bringing you my experiences in the Chavez hating land of the free. Courtesy of the letter “C”
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/03/crazy-crazy-schools-in-california-part-2.html
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:42 am
@PeterJ. I saw spiders and traffic lights in my hospital room after taking that stuff I won’t take tramadol again.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:43 am
I willingly accept and adopt the practices of other cultures that I consider to be beneficial to me and my family (such as a stay-at-home spouse (traditional Japan), close paternal involvement with child-raising (NZ), refusing the white middle-class Kiwi tradition of packing the kids off to bed at 7:30 for the grown-ups benefit…(urban Japan).
You can’t force people to accept and adopt the practices of other cultures; they have to perceive some advantage to be gained.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:47 am
“They are NOT stone agers. They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices..”
Why do I have the feeling that the ‘Cultural Ban’ on swimming will be quickly overturned if the appropriate amount of ‘Koha’ is quietly paid?
March 9th, 2013 at 9:58 am
I have a Cultural aversion to being fed this mindless crap from the Stoneagers and their Brown Noser’s. Unintelligent, non intellectual garbage from sad minds.
I doubt they will pay me some koha to go away.
Tell us what the performance stats are for these people.
1. Criminals
2. Jails
3. Education
4.Poverty.
5.Unemployment
6. Beneficiaries
The list goes on and they spout forth with cultural garbage like this.
Vote:Think i would rather the world was more enlightened than they would have it.
March 9th, 2013 at 10:10 am
The current epidemic of syphilis among male homosexuals in Christchurch is a bit of a worry.
People who responded with scorn and derision when i quoted Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl
Vote:Gates as saying that some LA homosexuals have, “Up to 1000 ‘contacts’ a year.” may be
interested to note that Christchurch DHB Dr Heather Young says she knows some ChCh male
homosexuals who have, “More than 50 ‘sexual partners’ in three months.”
March 9th, 2013 at 10:11 am
I wouldn’t of placed a ban on that beach or any on that part of west Auckland, too heavily used and if they were more on to it they would encourage more swimming, I would and then sit back and laugh.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Bainimarama. Once a thug, always a thug…
http://www.fijivillage.com/?mod=story&id=080313ca3e38605d49b624f8e74cb0
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Oh to be gay
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:18 am
bereal (2,427) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Just check the gyms, after a while they wreck a gyms rep amongst the straight couples who want to workout at one and move on. The last thing i want to see is one man shaving another man’s back at the gym.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Kowtow#
“….The EU control freaks at it again…..Note how an important concept,censorship, in the home of political freedom ,Europe,was being sneaked in under cover of a so called celebration of women….”
Thanks for the link.
Gay parades show women & men in demeaning attire and positions too – but I bet they are immune from censorship!
One rule for us and one rule for them – but arn’t they asking the EU at the moment for “Marriage Equality” – they’re pathetic!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Keeping Stock you say what was “less kosher” was Dom Post denials.
I challenge you to provide proof of those denials by the Dom Post.
Clearly the Dom Post and Phil Kitchen were right as the NBR had to apologise! That means the NBR were wrong.
Unless you can provide proof, then you may well be in the same predicament as the NBR.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Let’s celebrate women
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:42 am
“….Christchurch DHB Dr Heather Young says she knows some ChCh male
homosexuals who have, “More than 50 ‘sexual partners’ in three months….”
Then there must of course be those who have, 45, 40, 35, 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5,4,3,2,
Ch-ch only has 350k, @2% male[other2%female] = 7000 gay males.
It’s more like a gay sex party than a community of gays in relationships.
Why on earth are they seeking to get Married?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am
1. Criminals
2. Jails
3. Education
4.Poverty.
5.Unemployment
6. Beneficiaries
Most are the products of single Maori women, who by the way, also have nearly the highest abortion rate in the world. With Maori’dying out’ due to no full blooded Maori still living – it’s really quite sad.
Sometimes I really can’t work out some Maori men. They are a proud people, but then don’t commit themselves to their partner/wife and children. Then again maybe it’s the women. Or the lack of good leadership. Maybe it’s generational.
Most poor statistics I think, is due to intergenerational welfare largese. If it wasn’t for the largese combined with the ‘blame culture’ then I think Maori stats would be somewhat lower: The working week and what it gives families, and the reponsabilities that go with all of that, for the most part, knocks the nonsense out of most people.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Cancelled! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/08/us-revokes-award-for-egyptian-woman-due-to-anti-us-tweets/
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Have to disagree with Imperator Fish’s characterisation of Pete George as the self-styled Beige Badger of NZ blogging, actually. If you trawl through his comments (or check out the unread and unloved Your NZ, i think it seems as if he is more unconsciously like the David Brent of the blogosphere.
From Wikipedia:
“He imagines his workers find him very funny and enjoy his company, while still respecting him and looking up to him as a boss, even a father figure. However, his employees generally find him annoying, frustrating and offensive.
A key aspect of the character of Brent is his obliviousness to how other people actually see him, causing him to lash out whenever the veil of ignorance and vanity he maintains is pierced…
Brent has a tendency to promote himself as a well-educated and politically correct middle-class man, but often demonstrates an unwittingly offensive attitude … However, his various attitudes and faux-pas — cringeworthy and insulting though they may appear — are rarely maliciously-intended; they are frequently the result of extreme ignorance and self-delusion, combined with a tendency to say the wrong thing at the wrong time….”
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Ironic that the bigots refer to Maori as ‘Stoneagers’ when their own social attitude has barely evolved beyond that of pond scum.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
My friend Frank (banimarana – sp?) in Fiji states today that the two escaped prisoners who featured on you-tube getting beaten up deserved what they got and the security forces who captured them did the right thing.
Finally someone in charge sates the obvious – they got what they were asking for by escaping and holding people hostage.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
On the syphilis thing in Christchurch.. I have no issue with promiscuity – gay, straight or whatever other alternatives are out there.. the thing that pisses me off is that suddenly “Sexual health physicians say the Government needs to take immediate action..” in the second paragraph of the Stuff article. FFS, the Govt ie taxpayers doesn’t have to take immediate action about everything.. except for making condoms freely available MAYBE.. which I think they do anyway. Lack of personal responsibility is destroying a great nation, piece by piece.. some know it and fight it.. some are not aware, some encourage it.. time for some Machine Gun Preachers methinks..
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
“…..Ironic that the bigots refer to Maori as ‘Stoneagers’ when their own social attitude has barely evolved beyond that of pond scum….’
Really Scott?
NZ public schools educate 92% of school age children, and they are the only ‘mainstay outside influence’ other than parents, in developing children into adults.
Now Scott,
If you truely believe that a NZ society can be built with low rates of crime, low unemployment, low rates of mental illness and disease, suicide too, along with low rates of violence, low rates of child abuse, low rates of parent break-ups, low rates of muders, rapes too – and all done without religion and God – then good luck with that ‘belief’ of yours Scott!
Because to become a reality Scott, all that you have is the Minister of Education, Hekia Parata and the NZ Teachers Union to do it.
And that Scott – is why we teach our children to pray!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
It is not just the male homos we need to think about.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
It’s official. NZ Feminism is Dead and Buried! http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/the-death-of-nz-feminism-official
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
And look exactly where that has got the human race. More people have been killed in the name of ‘god’ than for any other cause.
As you have amply demonstrated, most prejudices are established under the pretense of ‘gods word’.
If praying worked, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
The other two points Chief Gates made in the same interview in relation to homosexuals were.
“The most promiscuous animal on earth is the male homosexual.” and,
“There is an element among male homosexuals who derive their ultimate gratification
from corrupting a youth.”
i seem to recall that the ‘most promiscuous’ part of Chief Gates’ observations was trumped by
a Kiwiblog correspondent who pointed to some snail or shellfish that was even more promiscuous.
Given the history of the Aids epidemic (1 in 20 male homosexuals in NZ are now riddled with aids)
Vote:it would seem inevitable that unless some positive action is taken soon this syphilis epidemic will
transfer into the heterosexual population, thanks to closeted gays in faux relationships with females.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Manolo is really an ancient Roman..His ancestors gave us roads , bridges and fantastic quotes . I have forgotten the Latin but the English is a treat.
Vote:”If Caesar were alive , you would be chained to an oar.”
I was going to send this to an ex high court judge I correspond with but restraint got the better of me.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Pete george has been known to take a strong stand on other things beside destroying the reputations of our sons, fathers and grandfathers.
He once said he had two favourite colours, one was black mixed with fifty percent white, and the other was white mixed with fifty per cent black.
Quite firm about it too he is.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
“….And look exactly where that has got the human race. More people have been killed in the name of ‘god’ than for any other cause….”
No. Subscription has killed them all – and not in the name of God – but peace!
“….As you have amply demonstrated, most prejudices are established under the pretense of ‘gods word’….’
I very, seldom use the G or R words in debates – I tend to get my best points across without the need of them, but of course I could fall back on them.
“…..If praying worked, we wouldn’t be having this conversation….”
Praying is not all that religion is about, it is mostly about living as Christ said we should -you know Judith- being a good wife and mother and all that. Peaceful too.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
“More people have been killed in the name of ‘god’ than for any other cause.”
Citation needed. Remember, there were 100,000,000 excess deaths in the name of economic equality in the 20th century alone.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Jude is just another politically one dimensional Marxist eggspert.
The country is full of them, like termites in your framing timber, white anting us from the inside.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
…”why we teach our children to pray’….
Sounds like piss poor advice to me.
Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mywhhvtlpcfaf8/Atheism.jpg
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
“it would seem inevitable that unless some positive action is taken soon this syphilis epidemic will transfer into the heterosexual population
Remember, more sex is safer sex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61275CMBIAc
We have to get out there having sex with lots of women, so they won’t go home with a carrier.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
I believe the Commandments offer a valuable moral compass to those that need or want it. Not being a believer doesn’t necessarily make many of us lack direction or morals or whatever you want to call it, and obviously the inverse applies. Socialism hates religion and the fact that it is an alternative control mechanism.. that aspect alone leans me toward God.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
I don’t get on my knees for anyone Nasska -except God – how about you, being an Atheist it wouldn’t really matter what you did on your knees would it!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Quite right freemark. Though not a Christian. I’ve never coveted my neighbours Ox, probably because I farm sheep.
Vote:Likewise I have never coveted my neighbours wife mainly because his Ox is prettier.
A man can learn a lot from the bible!
March 9th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
It would if he was caught on his knees in the Dannevirke public toilets Harriet!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
“I believe the Commandments offer a valuable moral compass to those that need or want it.”
We don’t want people working on the Sabbath do we, or making graven images.
Do you actually know what the Ten Commandments are?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-63cTYJDCA
“Socialism hates religion and the fact that it is an alternative control mechanism.. that aspect alone leans me toward God.”
Logic fail.
Idiot.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Johnboy
Do you get the feeling that Harriet uses Mass as a warm up for the real thing?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
If Nasska was also on his hands, in the Dannevirke toilets, he’d be yelling….oh god no, oh jesus,…….
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Does he live in Dannevirke nasska?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Wouldn’t know JB…I stay as far away from the poxy dump as I can.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
You Ekatahuna folks have always been snobs.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
And in breaking news:
Food contamination scandal hits the church.
Communion wafers found to contain 0% Christ.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
freemark#
Stick around…..watty doesn’t even know what socialism is as he’s part of an ‘alternative’ community, that has as it’s central core ‘nassicism’.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I guess the wine had horse blood in it too?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
You’re lucky I’m celebrating women today Harriet.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Don’t let that stop you ‘wat’…..’Harriet’ is pre op & still likes a bob each way.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
“….Communion wafers found to contain 0% Christ….”
Atheism contains 0% of anything Nasska!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
In that case, perhaps Harriet can confirm that she has always kept the Sabbath; that she has never done the slightest iota of work on that day?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Including bullshit Harriet!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
I’m all for “alternative’ communities that watty may be in.. as long as the members are happy to pay for their lifestyle choices.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Edit.. and the lifestyle choices of others that they condone or encourage..
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
You are allowed to do charitable work watty…..the wife is a charity as I give her all my money…then I mow the lawns – for her….wash the car – for her. Marriage and religion have their problems – sometimes I think that God might be infact a woman !
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Harriet, so you completely ignore the Ten Commandments.
All so-called Christians do.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Unless you are on the rich list Harriet you are probably getting off rather cheaply as long as you get to give the wife a couple each week!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
“…..Don’t let that stop you ‘wat’…..’Harriet’ is pre op & still likes a bob each way….”
Fuck I wish the wife was that cheap Nasska…..how much again do oxen cost to feed Johnboy?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
“…..Harriet, so you completely ignore the Ten Commandments…..All so-called Christians do…..’
Everyone’s a sinner watty – it’s about trying not to be. Sure I’ve worked on Sundays -Christmas Day and Easter Sunday too – I was once a chef.
It’s about recognising the day as a day of rest, or rather, you’ve worked 6 days as one should and you are then entitled to have a day of rest.
Iceland is the work of God too y’know – they got two months off before electricity made it’s arrival!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
“Given the history of the Aids epidemic (1 in 20 male homosexuals in NZ are now riddled with aids)”
Bereal, have you a source for that figure please?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8404342/Crashes-festivals-snarl-Aucklands-roads-again
So, the crash was on the Bombays.. northbound.. how the fuck they connect this with an imaginary “snarl” on Auckland’s Rds is totally beyond me.. any excuse to push for Len’s trainset, which someone else will pay for..
FFS, the standard of journalism is appalling, the leftism of it despicable…
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
“Remember, more sex is safer sex”
@Wat
Is that moron in the video another homosexual. It appears he has a disease that affects his brain.
Condoms will reduce the risk of infection but offers little long term protection to promiscuous homosexuals.
There should be severe financial and in some cases criminal penalties for those who infect there husbands or wives.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Really? So she performs for money? Let’s hope you are the only one making ‘donations’.
Incidently I think that is a god damn awful thing to say about someone you are meant to love as an equal – its comments like that which make me glad I am intelligent enough to not be a fellow believer.
BTW does she think of you as a charity for what she voluntarily does for you?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Kea at 12:56 pm
“a survey by a condom maker that said New Zealand women were the most promiscuous in the world, with 20.3 sexual partners on average. The world average was 7.3.”
“It is not just the male homos we need to think about.”
Kea discussing the promiscuity of heterosexual women is not discussing it in isolation from those they have sex with, heterosexual men. Of course part of the problem (for local heterosexual men) may be the inclusion in the stats of Kiwi women who do OE (who do more of this than women of most other countries) and do a lot of their pre-marital fun and games while drunk in London etc.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
I presume people are aware that the original sabbath day (seventh day is the meaning of the term sabbath) is still kept by Jews, but not by many Christians (Rome banned observance of the sabbath day by Christians at the Council of Laodicea in 365CE and would forcibly confiscate the household property of those who did not work on this day).
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Lambo’s new supercar. $3.9m. 0-60 in 2.8. Only 3 will be made. Why only 3?
http://www.businessinsider.com/lamborghini-unveils-39-million-veneno-2013-3
Meanwhile the Arabs show their lack of style with diamond-encrusted dash lights. I mean, who cares?
http://www.businessinsider.com/lykan-hypersport-first-arab-supercar-costs-34-million-2013-1
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
“Lambo’s new supercar. $3.9m. 0-60 in 2.8. Only 3 will be made. Why only 3?”
Why?…….To preserve the mystery Reid.
Just like “Father, Son and Holy Ghost” !
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
“…..Really? So she performs for money? Let’s hope you are the only one making ‘donations’….’
It was a joke .
And no, we were not talking about prostitution, but rather, working in general – on Sundays.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
SPC, sorry but…
New Zealand was also unusual for being the only country where women have more sexual partners than their men.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/22444/Kiwi-women-most-promiscuous-in-the-world
Nice bit of “White Knighting” though
I tend to agree with most of what you said though.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Kea, I explained why – and I did this politely – part of the problem (for local heterosexual men)
(it may have otherwise been with tourists who came here looking for the 100% pure Kiwi woman of the land of Papatuanuku experience)
The more impolite version is that having been with heterosexual Kiwi men they decided to do it with each other so they could experience an orgasm while present with a sex partner.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Kea, I doubt if any Kiwi women aside from prostitutes would have 50 causal partners in a 3 month period unlike the homosexuals mentions in the article.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8402842/Syphilis-back-with-a-vengeance
The bisexual link is a big problem especially for married women or those in a long term relationship.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
SPC, most of my male friends are not kiwis and have an even lower opinion of kiwi women that the kiwi men do. European and Asian women share that opinion of them.
Even other kiwi women who have lived over seas share that opinion. The only ones sticking up for them are the broken men of our feminist society. It is those types that repulse kiwi girls, the PC grovelling men that NZ is full of. No girl likes that, not even our feminist harpies.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Chuck Bird, yes I agree. Homos certainly get around a bit. Not sure what it is, but possibly it is due to the nature of male sexuality, with no moderating influence.
It really is an issue in terms of public health. I say that as someone who is not anti-gays.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Kea, so you say you think that Kiwi women prefer men who have a low opinion of them – men like yourself or foreign born ones? Does it follow that otherwise they like foreign women, European born and Asians. Then of the two, what would be their preference?
How can New Zealand be full of PC men, who no girl likes – when local women marry local men?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Chuck, the bisexuality of women poses no health risk to their male partners.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
SPC….
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
“…but rather, working in general – on Sundays.”
She’s not a Christian then.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Kea # Chuckbird #
This is a good, quick, top read : The New Soviet Union: America and the West
http://herrickreport.com/newsovietunion.html
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
The Jerry Springer Show will soon be your neighbourhood!
[1] Marriage is being defined down to the level of essentially non-procreative homosexual emotional relationships.
[2] “But Mr Van Beek told the Dutch media:’I think that repressing you fantasies can lead to frustration and ultimately, for some types of paedophile, to a greater likelihood of doing something wrong. ‘If you make virtual child pornography under strict government control with a label explaining that no child was abused, you can give paedophiles a way of regulating their sexual urges.’
“Mr van Lunsen added: ‘We don’t make enough of a distinction in public debate between “healthy” paedophiles, people who are not paedosexually active, and delinquent paedosexuals. We’re not responsible for our thoughts or our fantasies, we’re only responsible for one thing – our actions’.”
There you go folks – according to these two sexperts, there are “healthy” paedophiles, and we cannot control what we think about.
NZ is going down the unisex toilet.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
I don’t have a link so cannot determine what is meant by virtual porn.
The same argument applies for supplying juvenile male porn to celibate homosexuals.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Dear Chuck Bird @ 3.02
1 in 20 male homos riddled with aids in NZ.
That statistic worry you does it Chuckie, you poor dear?
Be happy you don’t live in London, it’s 1 in 12 there.
For what are i asume are PC reasons this fact is not published widely in NZ
If you need confirmation before your next adventure in the local dunny sweetie,
Vote:phone the NZ Aids Foundation,
they will confirm it for you.
March 9th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Chuck Bird,
“Is that moron in the video another homosexual.”
Translation: I didn’t follow the logic of his argument.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
SPC, desperation, they know no better, lack of choices, and my comments are a generalization only. I was married to a kiwi for many years. I have many kiwi friends who are women.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Also Chuck Bird darl,
if you happen to be so unlucky as to be a bum bandit living in Christchurch………
be carefull, be very, very carefull.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
wat, is keeping the Sunday as a day of rest required by the churches of Christianity?
Early churches gathered on the Sunday (if most were Gentiles) and on the Sabbath Day (if most were Jews) but a day of rest on the Sunday was not required.
After 365CE, the churches were exclusively non sabbath day keeping (except for individuals doing this in secret for fear of persecution) and eventually the idea of the Sunday as a day of rest for the church was established (in 321CE Constantine established Sunday as the day of the sun of Rome). This became the cultural order of Europe, and so no one worked on Sundays – mimicking the sabbath day keeping of Jews.
But it was never a church rule, just a practice. Today only Mormons and individual Christians (such as those that will not play sport) take it seriously. I am not even sure if Mormons who play professional sport take it seriously (maybe they pay extra tithe to keep sweet with their church).
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Laugh (or weep) at the madness: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/03/08/cupcakes-with-army-soldiers-get-kid-in-hot-water-at-school/
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Kea, “a generalization only”, I knight you General Adversary of PC Kiwi males.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Dear Chuckie Bird, @3.02
You may care to glance at the NZ Aids Foundation newsletter No. 70 before you bend
over in the dunny next time.
Your mate now has a 1 in 15 chance of being HIV positive and a 1 in 20 chance of
having full blown aids in New Zealand.
i look forward to a host of faggots giving this post a thumbs down.
Why would these faggots try to deny the truth ?
Hey Chuckie, we know why they want to keep these facts quiet dont we ?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Hallelujah folks. The world is saved.
These Guys are doing it!
• Dame Anne Salmond – writer, anthropologist and New Zealander of the Year
• Wayne Smith – former All Black first five-eighths and assistant World Cup coach
• Dame Fiona Kidman – poet and writer
• Fiona Farrell – writer
• Celia Wade-Brown – Mayor of Wellington
• Sir Alan Mark – Professor Emeritus
• Grahame Sydney – artist
• Glenn Turner – retired cricketer
• Dr Philip Temple – writer
• Josh Kronfeld – former All Black
• Te Radar – comedian, activist and TV personality
• Chris Laidlaw – former All Black, Rhodes Scholar, Wellington councillor and broadcaster
• Keri Hulme – writer
• Tamsin Cooper – fashion designer and TV personality
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10870243
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Thank god our moral and intellectual betters are here to show us the way.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
thanks Manolo#
“He’s a little 9-year-old kid and it was his birthday cupcakes,” Brown said. “These guys (soldiers) are heroes, and too many people are confusing them with psychopaths.”
He got that in one.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Well what a General Masturbate that was.
I am thinking of grabbing my dick as 99% here today have.
Pete George has been put to bed by his mum.
Fuck you wankers, I’m going to the Pasfika Festival, then the car show at bayswater
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
I would never have picked Wayne Smith for a chimney sweep!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Bereal#
chucks on our side.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
“….Chris Laidlaw – former All Black, Rhodes Scholar, Wellington councillor and broadcaster…’
Rhodes Scholars are supposed to be for King and Country – like their benefactor Cecil Rhodes. Tony Abbott is .
Laidlaw’s sold us out to the chimney sweeps and ‘their’ way of running an economy – exspensively.
So much for mothers in the suburbs who have to feed and bath their kids – Laidlaw should know better!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Wife to husband, “Right, before we get there, promise me you won’t dance?”
“I can’t,” he replied, “I already promised your mother I would.”
“Ok, but at least wait until everyone else has left her grave.”
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Johnboy @ 7.39
Thanks for that, not.
That must rank as the most disgusting thing since Jonathon Hunt was elevated
to the Order of New Zealand.
Next Labour Govt, Wayne Smith is now a certainty.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Johnboy
It fair gives me warm fuzzies all the way down my alimentary canal to realise that such greats are looking after the planet & keeping a watch on our carbon.
Mind you seeing a yeoman of wankers such as Laidlaw’s name on the list helped too.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
The shortage of Wharfies, Plumbers, Mechanics and Forklift Drivers on the list has me wondering if the team will be able to take the country along with them on their crusade!
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
” I was married to a kiwi for many years.”
Silly confession to make. No wonder I got the thumbs down, I deserved it
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
@Johnboy: The former half back will be good at arranging travel – there’s an ugly rumour he found an old book of taxi chits in the back of the wardrobe.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Kea
For some unknown reason Pommie chicks do it for me as far as partners go……first one lasted thirty years & I’m breaking in my second one now.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Johnboy# Kea#
Q: What do a tornado and a Danneverke divorce have in common?
A: In the end, someone is going to lose a trailer.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Each to his own.
“It is far from an achievement to be proud of – research suggests that British men and women are the most promiscuous in the Western world.”
This was from the same study that revealed Kiwi women as the most promiscuous in the world. It should not be a surprise, as we are a British culture, without the moderating influence of Europe next door.
Good on you for getting through 30 years. I am a strong believer in marriage.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Ok boys. We either have a liar or a women here amongst us in that 1% !
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Kea
Well ‘Harriet’ has always been a bit sus.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
bereal (2,432) Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
bereal, are you still looking forward to all that attention from a host of faggots ? They seem to be ignoring you. Maybe you should work on your pick up lines.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
I bet he is blogging away on his phone as he loiters outside some seedy gay bar, dressed in a lumber Jack outfit, even as we speak
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
“wat, is keeping the Sunday as a day of rest required by the churches of Christianity? ”
It is required by Yahweh.
Keeping the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments.
Not keeping it is a sin on a par with murder.
Put another way, if it is okay to ignore the prohibition on working on the Sabbath then it is equally okay to steal and to commit murder, repeatedly.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
I hear that he/she/it worked Hunter’s Corner before leaving for the big bucks in Queensland Kea.
Used to give out Bible pamphlets on the nights when trade was slack.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Put another way, if it is okay to ignore the prohibition on working on the Sabbath then it is equally okay to steal and to commit murder, repeatedly.
So speaketh wat, the authority on not just the bible and forget all the theology on that over the last two thousand years because wat knows better than all of them, but also on how every single Christian in the world today actually really does interpret it, in their own minds.
Wow.
Talk about the biggest mind in history, or is it just an ego thing and he just thinks he knows? One of the two. Who knows which one it is? Let’s see.
wat, what do you see as the main errors in the Standard Model and how do you reconcile those? If you answer correctly, you could win the Nobel Prize for Physics. If you don’t, I’m going to have to conclude it’s just an ego thing you’ve got going on, and proceed to speculate on causes.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
wat, personally, I think it was presumptious of Moses to have presumed that the buttocks that he saw belonged to the Creator of all creation, this is just a form of very pagan and unnatural idolotry.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
wat, second point the Hebrew word for eternal is not a name for God. Third the point of relating law to an eternal source is to describe law as something that is part of a social contract (rule of a national society) across its generations – covenant nation law.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
The penalty is to be murdered. Along with being an un-virgin bride and rather a lot else.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Keeping the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments.
Not keeping it is a sin on a par with murder.
Did not Jesus break the Sabbath more than once?
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Jacob, the problem with saying that taking an apple from a tree on a day of rest is breaking the sabbath day keeping requirement, is
1. it was not paid work.
2. it is less labour activity than carrying the apple to eat later.
3. it is less labour activity than getting out of bed.
I’m more inclined to ask whose apple tree was it.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
SPC, I think biblical case law gives some guidance on this issue:
Numbers 15:32-35, “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
What we can see is that the LORD demands a cruel death for a man collecting firewood to feed his family.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Kea, that Moses claimed to have heard a God instructing him to kill others is not the surprising thing, but that others who had faith in a God would believe him.
I suspect it must be part of some secret inner cabal – survival of the fittest cult induction – only those capable of lasting a night in the open without fire or a day without preparing food were allowed to access the promised land. This after 40 years wandering around and all of the weak were eliminated.
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
More seriously, in terms of group authoritarianism the logic is unmistakable – hear and obey or die. And it is no less common in group authoritarianism claiming to act in agency for God.
Apparently the punishment for not gathering sufficient wood before the sabbath day was to go without a fire or cooked food. Doing something about it was not to be an option.
That said my original point stands – it requires no more effort to pick an apple from a tree than out of a bowl inside the house – and walking to the tree outside the house is not a banned activity.
Vote:March 10th, 2013 at 1:25 am
The Pharisees accused him of this (Matthew 12). They were described as being dead on the inside, making the law a burden.
The response of verse 7 speaks of the importance of mercy. Without understanding the balance between mercy and severity the legal code appears harsh and unforgiving.
An example is the death penalty for disobedient children. According to Judaic law the death penalty can not be applied unless there is testimony from two or three witnesses. However, Judaic law doesn’t require witnesses to testify, so parents can judge the intent of their child and prevent the punishment by remaining silent.
Mercy and intent are related. Gathering firewood on the sabbath seems to be a trivial matter, but it could have been gathered lawfully the previous day, and at the time it was obvious to the people that their deity was quite capable of severity in judgement.
Vote:March 10th, 2013 at 7:16 am
SPC that is one theory, but check this out:
Why Did God Kill A Man For Picking Up Sticks On The Sabbath Day?
What was the Sabbath Day? The Sabbath was a ceremonial law given only to Old Testament Jews living in Palestine. Ceremonial laws pictured divine truths. Some were shadows of things to come. Colossians 2:14-17 teaches that the ceremonial laws ceased at Calvary when Jesus died on the cross. God had commanded the Jews to work 6-days, but on the Sabbath they were to rest completely. COMPLETELY!!! The 6-days of man working represents human effort in salvation. No amount of human effort can save. The Sabbath is our precious Lord Jesus Christ, in Whom we rest completely for salvation. The Sabbath was a shadow of the coming Messiah, “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). God is telling us through the death of this man that adding even the smallest amount of human effort will send us to Hell forever.
Now you know why God sentenced the man to death for breaking the Sabbath. Leave those sticks alone my friend! Don’t touch them! Don’t add to the gift of God! God is teaching everyone who reads the Bible that He will kill anyone who adds human effort to faith alone in Jesus Christ for salvation. Salvation is by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING!
http://www.godlovespeople.com/articles/killed_for_sticks.htm
The attempted justification of this act is the part that scares me the most.
Vote:March 10th, 2013 at 8:09 am
The faith versus works argument was one of the issues at the heart of the schism between the Christians and the Ebionites.
In response to Galatians 3:10-11 or Romans 4:2-5 James the Just wrote of Paul the Pharisee:
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Vote:James 2:20
March 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am
They are a cultural group with beliefs and practices that has a legally recognised status. Your comment is equivalent to complaining because a hearse drives slow and holds up the traffic, or that cemeteries are a ‘waste of space’ and that Easter Eggs shouldn’t be sold in public. Those are European customs, just as this is a tangata whenua custom
Good analogy Judith.
Vote:March 10th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Redbaiter#
This link takes you to Melanie Phillips.
Your link goes to Spectator.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/
Vote:March 10th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
“……For at the heart of the decades-long onslaught by the Left against the core tenets of Western society lies the doctrine of ‘non-judgmentalism’, under which it has become forbidden to suggest that anyone’s lifestyle is more socially desirable than any other.
Worse still, those whose behaviour lies outside conventional social norms are deemed to be ‘victims’ and their demands have been relabelled ‘rights’.
So views that mothers and fathers are better for children than lone parents or step-parents, or that deliberately having babies outside marriage is selfish and irresponsible, have became unsayable.
The fundamental need children have for their own mother and father has simply been trumped by the selfish desires of adults.
To mask this abandonment of children, their core need was redefined as being ‘lifted out of poverty’ – which merely made their mothers ever more dependent on state benefits, and thus promoted sexual anarchy even further.
The result has been an unmitigated disaster. In some areas, several generations of family disintegration have resulted in a total breakdown in parenting, so that children are becoming horrifyingly incapable of even basic functions.
According to the Government’s adviser on problem families, Louise Casey, some three-year-olds are unable to walk because they are habitually parked in their buggies in front of the TV.
And Russell Hobby, general secretary of the National Association of Headteachers, has spoken of children who, when they come to school, can only grunt as they haven’t been taught to speak; and who may also still be in nappies at the age of five.
Ms Casey laments that no official initiatives seem to get through to such families. Of course not – because the one thing that is needed above all, to remove the perverse incentives that have destroyed marriage in such areas, is the one policy that will never be enacted.
The real reason the Tories won’t properly address this is not just the inane social nihilism of Nick Clegg. It is surely because the Tory leadership itself has such a shallow and reductive view of marriage – including among its supposed cheerleaders.
Look at the reasons they give for supporting marriage – that it promotes stability, unselfishness and self-sacrifice. That was the substance of Michael Gove’s paean of praise for the institution yesterday, as he made the case for extending it to gays.
Similarly, Mr Cameron says marriage is all about commitment and that it’s better for children to be brought up in strong and stable relationships.
All very true. But it misses the point. Tellingly, neither of them identifies what makes marriage a unique institution.
This is that it is the safest way of generating human identity, which is necessarily produced by the conjunction of male and female.
That is why children’s psychological health – despite the heroic efforts of so many lone parents – generally depends on their being brought up by both a mother and father.
That is why marriage is unique, and why it has a unique place in society. And that is why it is socially so destructive to promote the expansion of any sexual relationships outside marriage.
But the Tory leadership never says this. It presents marriage not as the inimitable union of the two components of human identity, but instead merely as a utilitarian contract. Thus for all its weasel words it has made marriage intensely vulnerable.
To ensure the success of its social engineering project, the Left also hijacked the language. ‘Equality’ was twisted into identical outcomes; ‘compassion’ became a fig-leaf for irresponsibility; and ‘liberal’ became a synonym for bullying.
Failing utterly to grasp what was happening, the Cameroons decided to ‘detoxify the Tory brand’ by themselves adopting these corrupted terms and ideas.
Accordingly, they turned themselves into collaborators with those cultural revolutionaries whose aim was to unpick the intricate tapestry of laws, customs and attitudes that had made Britain civilised.
Instead of realising that the supreme task for today’s conservatives is to fight this culture war, they even incorporated the most subversive part of its agenda – the undermining of the traditional family – into their own programme.
It is this betrayal of conservatism which lies at the heart of the Tories’ discontents – and for which they will never be forgiven…..” – Melanie Phillips.
Now just replace the name Cameron with Key, and add Key’s defiance -not winding down the Department of Womens’ Batteries- as Key said he would, and -not changing the discipline law[smacking]-, again like Key said he would, and what do you have – another red to the core Bolshevik !
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