A cowardly smear

May 29th, 2013 at 3:23 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Prime Minister John Key is standing by United Future leader and says he accepts the revenue minister’s word that he did not leak a report into the Government Communications Security Bureau.

NZ First leader Winston Peters today used to accuse Dunne of leaking the report by cabinet secretary Rebecca Kitteridge to Fairfax Media.

The report revealed that more than 80 New Zealand citizens may have been illegally spied on by the bureau.

An investigation was under way by former top public servant David Henry to try and find the source of the leak.

Speaking of Dunne today, Key said: “He’s given an absolute categoric assurance he didn’t do this; I accept him at his word.

“I’ve worked with him for a long period of time and the entire time I’ve worked with him I’ve found him to be extremely trustworthy.”

Peter Dunne would be the near the bottom of any list as a potential leaker.

But let’s be clear. Winston Peters is not just asking if Dunne is the leaker, but has asserted it:

After having attempts to question Dunne repeatedly thwarted, with committee chairman Todd McClay ruling that the questions were beyond the scope of the hearing, Peters directly accused Dunne of leaking the report.

“My assertion is you did leak the report,” Peters said.

This is a cowardly and defamatory smear. It is especially cowardly because Peters has a long record of suing people for (and threatening numerous more that he will do so) yet he cowers under parliamentary privilege to defame Dunne.

The media should ask two questions of Peters, and keep asking them:

  • Do you have a shred of proof for your assertion?
  • Will you repeat your allegation outside of Parliament?

Peters has a long long history of just making shit up. Recall the fleet of limos he claimed WINZ had? A fiction, with no proof. But this is worse. He is defaming an individual, not an organisation.

He does it because he knows the media will report it, and his strategy is to stay in the headlines. He doesn’t care if 90% of NZ hates him, because all he is targeting is the 10% who may vote for him.

Recall that Peters lied several dozen times in 2008 with his claim he had no knowledge of Owen’s Glenn’s donation to his lawyer to cover his legal fees. there was overwhelming proof that he in fact brokered the donation, yet he lied to the media, the public and the Privileges Committee time and time again about it.

So why do the media give his assertions the time of day? Wouldn’t it be great, if they just said that we won’t report what you claim, unless you provide proof to back it up? You have lost the privilege to be trusted, because you lied day and night to us for four months.

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58 Responses to “A cowardly smear”

  1. skyblue (209 comments) says:

    And on the day Peters in July 2008 admitted he found out about the $100K thru his lawyer was the same day his mother died. He was using the still warm corpse of his dead mother for a sympathy vote. That is the scummiest act by a politician ever in NZ IMHO. Links below.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/winston-peters-mother-dies-eve-party-conference-33190 – 18/7/2008
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10529658

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  2. Daigotsu (454 comments) says:

    I thought the whole “will you repeat your statement outside of Parliament” thing didn’t work any more after Nick Smith fell for it?

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  3. gravedodger (1,552 comments) says:

    I wonder if it crossed Mr McLay’s mind to call for a blood test?

    Just another example of the inept media using the dribblings of a confirmed stranger to the truth, to make copy.

    Despicable is a good word.

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  4. GPT1 (2,118 comments) says:

    It seemed an extraordinary thing to say and at the most unlikely of candidates. Winston at his worst. Again.

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  5. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    And some media coverage went on to make insinuations, like “Dunne later admitted he had been interviewed by Henry”. I thought Henry was supposed to interview all people who had a copy of the report.

    “Later admitted” probably means that after more questioning Dunne gave some more information.

    And the Stuff report linked above makes a dodgy insinuation:

    Dunne dodged questions about whether an MP should resign if they were found to have leaked the report.

    “That’s a matter for the prime minister,” he said.

    It seems quite odd for Stuff/Fairfax to be reporting like this when they must know who leaked to them anyway, pretending they don’t know and helping Winston play his game.

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  6. wreck1080 (3,885 comments) says:

    Peters is a funny old thing.

    I really like some of his ideas.

    But, he also goes to the far opposite end of the spectrum where he is totally outrageous and wrong in his comments.

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  7. In Vino Veritas (138 comments) says:

    Peters has clung to power by his nails for years and this is the only way he can continue to get any sort of voter base. The man is a mountebank and shouldn’t be trusted further than he can be thrown.

    Someone should ask him what he used to get up to in Mondo Cucina after it closed in the evenings.

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  8. NK (1,232 comments) says:

    Does anyone know whether David Henry is related to Brian Henry – long-time barrister and friend of Peters?

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  9. Ross Miller (1,700 comments) says:

    Gueeze Wayne ….. WRP making unsubstantiated allegations. Hardly news but sad to see Mr Bumblefuck, Leader of Her Majesty’s loyal Opposition picking up on it at Question time today.

    Still, if he wants to get down and dirty in the sewer with Winston First then who am I to stop him.

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  10. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    Would only that Peters should be asked by Mr Speaker to withdraw and apologise.
    Had it been in the House proper, that would have been inevitable.
    Do not standing orders extend to Parliamentary Select Committees ???
    That is one issue.

    Issue # 2 is pejorative reporting by Fairfax and others looking for blood where there is none to be seen..

    It is typical that Peters should stoop as low as faeces to attack a long serving MP who has never been accused of lying, let alone proven to have lied . The MSM should be attacking Peters tonight, but they won’t. It makes for “blood in the water”.

    They should also report Peters for what he is— a piece of dog shit.

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  11. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    NK…
    Former IRD Commissioner, is he not?

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  12. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    Ross – Shearer may be just trying to show how well he can work together NZ First as well as with Greens.

    Dunne has been around long enough to kniow how stick up for himself. What about Shearer? I can’t imagine Winston giving him much respect.

    How would a puppet work with one Rainbow hand, one Green hand and one Grey hand pulling his strings at the same time?

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  13. NK (1,232 comments) says:

    Is that him flipper? Is he a brother of Brian Henry? Does anyone know?

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  14. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    Step outside Parliament and make your allegation if you are so certain Mr Peters. You won’t of course; you’d far rather throw around baseless smears under the protection of parliamentary privilege.

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  15. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    Key stands by Dunne…

    Winston should prove leak – Key

    Mr Key says the behaviour from Mr Peters is “fairly stock-standard” and there’s nothing to suggest Mr Dunne did anything wrong.

    “It seems to me that Mr Peters has made an allegation using Parliamentary privilege against Mr Dunne of which he has no evidence to support.”

    He says he has received a “categorical assurance” from Mr Dunne that he didn’t leak the report.

    “I’ve worked with him for a long period of time and over that time, I’ve found him to be entirely trustworthy,” says Mr Key.

    But Peters hasn’t got anything.

    Mr Peters failed to answer questions regarding evidence he has, instead saying the recipient of the leaked report worked in the press gallery.

    “Don’t ask me the questions you know the answer to.”

    But the press gallery didn’t accuse Dunne under Parliamentary privilege, they don’t have to back up accusations.

    And it looks like Peters can’t.

    Jessica Mutch TVNZ ‏@MutchJessica

    The Prime Minister has been forced to withdraw and apologise for questioning Winston Peter’s courage.

    What an odd place Parliament can be when Key is forced to apologise for questioning Peters’ courage and Peters can get away with being a gutless smearing coward.

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  16. hj (6,927 comments) says:

    I can understand Winston thinking Dunne would do a thing like that. The Lancet (doctors) aren’t keen on Dunne either).

    For nearly 20 years, Mr Dunne has taken a public position opposed to tobacco control. In 1987, while an Undersecretary of Health in the Labour Government, he was reported as describing those who wanted a ban on tobacco advertising as ‘elitist zealots’.1 Since he left the Labour Party in 1994, he has consistently voted against tobacco control initiatives.

    Mr Dunne has described the efforts in New Zealand to prevent the sale of tobacco to underage children as ‘fascist’,2 and tobacco control spending as a ‘scandalous waste of money in pursuit of some health zealots’ beady eyed political correctness.’3 Mr Dunne also described the 2003 New Zealand legislation for smokefree bars as ‘extremism’.4

    Speaking in Parliament to oppose the legislation,5 the evidence indicates that he used (without attribution) statements previously published on a website by Barry McKay of the Canadian tobacco industry front group PUBCO: The Pub and Bar Coalition of Canada.6 He incorrectly attributed these statements (about ventilation being a solution to secondhand smoke dangers) to a British Medical Journal article.

    A December 1994 note from Paul Adams of British American Tobacco, to Peter Dunne, stated that it accompanied 100 pounds:

    ‘to help pay for your ‘Awayday’. I do hope you will enjoy yourselves.

    I would be grateful if you could get receipts for your expenses and pass them to the driver, even large companies have to account for their money!

    Enjoy your visit to England.’7

    In 2003, the month before this tobacco industry document was revealed, he was reported as saying:

    ‘I am constantly labelled by the health sector as a tool of the tobacco industry or a stooge … I cannot remember when I last met with someone from the industry.’ 8
    In 2000, when the possibility of tobacco companies being sued by government was raised, Mr Dunne stated that Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark had a ‘fanatical anti-smoking obsession’ and described ASH NZ as an extremist pressure group.9 In 2001, Prime Minister Helen Clark said that ‘he had consistently picked up issues in support of the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries.’10

    He gets the tick from Real estate Agents however:
    Last week, after select committee hearings on the new real estate agent legislation, he was up to his same old tricks. However, United Future leader, Peter Dunne, (who calls himself Mr Common Sense) played a card not many expected.

    In a release which has probably gone unreported, he says the United Future party “will withdraw its support for the Real Estate Agents Bill…unless there are major changes to the legislation and the sponsoring minister, Clayton Cosgrove, adopts a more consultative attitude.”

    http://landlords1.wordpress.com/

    :snort:

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  17. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    From @3Politics

    PM says Peters has no evidence to support claims against Dunne. Peters just walks away laughing.
    Video here: http://ht.ly/luoz6

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  18. hj (6,927 comments) says:

    Minister for Lung Cancer and Unearned Capital Gains!

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  19. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    Pete George said

    What an odd place Parliament can be when Key is forced to apologise for questioning Peters’ courage and Peters can get away with being a gutless smearing coward.

    Amen to that! I don’t have much time for Peter Dunne, but Winston Peters’ baseless smear is one of that long-serving member’s worst excesses in a career that is full of them.

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  20. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    The venal Peters is the vilest among the vile.
    To be expected from a known scumbag.

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  21. wat dabney (3,726 comments) says:

    Peters is someone smart enough to know he is guaranteed a very good living as an MP simply by fooling enough idiots that he is a sort of maverick anti-politician.

    He’s like a more-principled version of Russel Norman.

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  22. RF (1,381 comments) says:

    Mr. Trotman is lower than shark shit

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  23. Elaycee (4,378 comments) says:

    This latest outburst from Peters should come as no surprise. He has created more fantasy stories than Aesop.

    Peters is simply a publicity whore who resorts to nothing to stay in the media spotlight. And if that means that he tells (more) lies, then for someone who lacks a moral compass, that’s simply par for the course.

    We really deserve better. And perhaps next election, the voters will see through this venal piece of human flotsam and kick him into touch for the final time.

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  24. peterwn (3,246 comments) says:

    David Shearer should also support Peter Dunne who in reality is just as supportive of Labour as of National.

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  25. Ross Miller (1,700 comments) says:

    wat dabney (2,717) said (on Peters) “He’s like a more-principled version of Russel Norman.

    Give me a break wat. Have no time for Norman nor his ragtag lot but at least you know where they are coming from and they never stole $155k from the taxpayer to fund their election campaign.

    Peters wouldn’t know a ‘principle’ from a principal even if it bit him in the bum.

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  26. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Politics is a blood sport. There are no rules. If you don’t like it, don’t play.

    Winston at least makes it entertaining.

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  27. wat dabney (3,726 comments) says:

    Ross,

    Peters is a small-minded little spiv who would be content with his stolen $155k. Norman, by contrast, has endless plans for everyone, and all backed by his commitment to violence.

    So of the two, give me Peters any day.

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  28. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    It’s simple. Peter Dunne simply has to hold up a sign saying “NO” crossed out saying Yes and everyone will get the point.

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  29. Scott Chris (6,068 comments) says:

    Peters being a dick at Dunne’s expense…

    I don’t see a down side.

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  30. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    Peters being a dick at Dunne’s expense.

    I’ll call it a WIN-WIN situation

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  31. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    Two ageing Chihuahuas fighting to the death.

    Should be good…

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  32. dishy (246 comments) says:

    TV3 must be smarting from the latest Fairfax poll that doesn’t suit their agenda; the lead item on tonight’s “news” was the allegation, but without a skerrick of evidence being offered up. Instead, Gower wanked on about how bad it would be IF it was true. If TV3 were the subject of a Target programme, a resounding “SHAME!” would be the only verdict.

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  33. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    Dunne may be many things to many folk.

    But having lived in his constituency, and dealt with him regularly in connection with residents association matters, I know that, unlike dog shit Peters, he is not a serial liar.

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  34. dishy (246 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: “Politics is a blood sport. There are no rules. If you don’t like it, don’t play.

    Winston at least makes it entertaining”.

    So if someone with no evidence, but entitled to Parliamentary privilege, accused Peters of being a child molester, that would only be “interesting”? I don’t think Peters would see it that way. We would soon see that he can dish it out, but he doesn’t like it up him.

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  35. Bad__Cat (140 comments) says:

    How can you tell if Winston is lying?
    Easy, watch his lips -if they are moving, he’s lying.

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  36. Johnboy (16,084 comments) says:

    The more I see of Winston sitting on the front bench, growling at the parliament that has passed him by, the more I suspect he should be sitting on his front veranda, having a fag and a whiskey and growling at all the world passing him by! :)

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  37. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Winston Peters, should be made to give his evidence, regardless of this ridiculous rule of Parliamentary privilege. What Peters has said is very defamatory about Peter Dunne, and he should not be allowed to get away with it. I hope Peters comes unstuck, and he is booted into oblivion, where he belongs. He doesn’t offer anything, and is just a bloody lying trouble maker.

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  38. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    Check out the video of Q1 from this afternoon here:

    http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/18918

    Go to around the 1:45 mark where Peters makes the first of a number of points of order. He is barely coherent. Where is he having lunch these days?

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  39. Johnboy (16,084 comments) says:

    His front veranda? :)

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  40. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    Winston Peters I think may be the worst NZ MP in living memory. And still those old xenophobic fucks keep voting for him.

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  41. KevinH (1,221 comments) says:

    And the winner is: The Right Honourable Winston Peters.

    Winston is an experienced operator and knows how to grab the headlines. He knows that, right or wrong, his allegation will impact on Dunne who appears to be getting his comeuppance from Winston. Peter Dunne can’t claim that he is lily white, you don’t survive in politics as long as he has without selling out someone.

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  42. thedavincimode (6,717 comments) says:

    Before getting all hot under the collar about this, it’s important to bear in mind that Peters is a scummy piece of crap.

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  43. Johnboy (16,084 comments) says:

    Quite right Leonardo.
    As Henry Van Der Heyden said, “You just can’t trust a Chinese”, even if they are a thousand generations removed like Winston.! :)

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  44. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    So if someone with no evidence, but entitled to Parliamentary privilege, accused Peters of being a child molester, that would only be “interesting”?

    As LBJ said, “I wanna see the sumbitch deny it”.

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  45. wf (429 comments) says:

    Mondo Cucina?

    In Vino Veritas, pray tell us more!

    Like many of his ilk, WRP enjoys nothing more than stirring the pot and watching everyone else swirl around in the current. That’s ok when you’re doing it in your own backyard amongst your own but for the rest of us it’s downright boring.

    Someone needs to turn the tables.

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  46. big bruv (13,734 comments) says:

    Once again our stupid fucking media end up barking to Winston’s command. The drunken old fool knows what he can say in the house and what he cannot, he picks on a member of the government and makes wild accusation’s safe from any sort of penalty.

    Now normally I would welcome anybody having a crack at the political whore however when it means that the man who still owes the tax payer $158,000 gets air time it pisses me off. Our stupid media would be better advised just to ignore Winston, the media know what he is doing and yet that same media play right into Winston’s hands.

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  47. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Big Bruv, how right you are! It is shocking how Winston Peters, can say what ever he likes and basically get away with it. Defaming a person for personal gratification, is just shocking.

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  48. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The trouble is that Peter Dunne appears to have told porkies. He said other people who had access to the report have been questioned by Henry. It seems that this is false. If Dunne is prepared to lie about that, it certainly wouldn’t be a stretch to think he could be the leaker.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887225

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  49. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Of course, the obvious question is that if Dunne leaked the GCSB report, what on earth would be his motivation? Maybe he felt that he’d been shafted by the PM and others after his car park tax was kicked to the curb. I imagine it’s not a great feeling being a lame duck minister.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8440084/Government-ditches-controversial-car-park-tax-plan

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  50. Ashley Schaeffer (475 comments) says:

    So why do the media give his assertions the time of day? Wouldn’t it be great, if they just said that we won’t report what you claim, unless you provide proof to back it up? You have lost the privilege to be trusted, because you lied day and night to us for four months.

    The media aren’t interested in the facts man! Winston’s lies make great headlines.

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  51. smttc (742 comments) says:

    Hey Ross69, you must have really long arms because you love drawing really long bows.

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  52. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    Ross69 is right about one thing – if Dunne leaked the GCSB report, what on earth would be his motivation?

    It doesn’t make sense that he would do something totally out of character and risk so much, to achieve what? It wasn’t damaging for National, just a bit of inconvenient timing, so it could hardly be a hit job.

    The story so far (according to Peters) is that Dunne got back from an overseas trip and on the following day leaked the report.

    It just doesn’t make sense.

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  53. smttc (742 comments) says:

    So Pete, what is this one thing that Ross69 is right about? You didn’t say.

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  54. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    smttc – asking the question of Dunne’s motivation.

    What’s more likely motivation – Dunne trying a hit job on National, or Peters trying a hit job on Dunne?

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  55. edd (157 comments) says:

    You can’t hate Winston for lying without also hating John Key. Key promised us 170 thousand new jobs and then went on a mad firing spree, and is still cutting as many public sector workers as he can. You may agree with cutting public sector jobs, just as I agree with Winston getting back into government next term, but the lie still stands.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The next Labor/NZ first government is going to be brutal if the Nats keep up their “good work”.

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  56. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    It doesn’t make sense that he would do something totally out of character and risk so much, to achieve what? It wasn’t damaging for National, just a bit of inconvenient timing, so it could hardly be a hit job.

    I explained why, Pete. John Key was enthusiastic about Dunne’s car park tax and then all of a sudden scuppered it, making Dunne look like a fool. I wonder if the PM even bothered to tell Dunne the bad news. I could imagine Dunne spitting the dummy in a fit of pique.

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  57. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    What we also know is that Dunne drives too fast and complains when he gets caught. It’s not often that you see a Cabinet Minister criticise police.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Dunne-accuses-police-of-camera-cash-grab/tabid/1607/articleID/295681/Default.aspx

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  58. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    ross69 at 6.53 pm – that’s not an explanation, it’s a trivial fantasy.

    ross69 at 6.57 pm – I think he was silly of him to say that but it’s what a lot of people think (the article says that AA agrees with him). Sticking to the speed limit is an obvious solution.

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