Stuff on Shearer rumours

July 10th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Labour leader is facing more destabilising rumours after batting off speculation all day that a letter of no confidence was being circulated among his MPs.

The rumour started circulating early in the day yesterday but the MPs named as being behind the move hotly denied it and Shearer said through a spokesman there had been no letter and the claims were rubbish.

Soundings among party insiders suggested there was no push on but the latest speculation will not help his leadership after earlier rumours of a leadership push before the end of the year.

The latest speculation followed a series of Labour crisis meetings over a so-called “man ban” in proposed changes to party selection rules which were withdrawn yesterday following a backlash from Labour’s MPs.

The rumours centred on a no confidence letter supposedly circulated by Labour MPs Clayton Cosgrove, Andrew Little and Shane Jones, but all three rubbished it.

Someone at The Standard said what they had heard was Little would stand for Leader with Jones as his deputy.

Cosgrove said the rumours had been started by National and told Fairfax the speculation was “absolute crap”.

He was 100 per cent behind Shearer’s leadership.

Little and Jones also flatly denied the letter.

Jones said he had seen no letter and no one had approached him to sign any letter.

Little is understood to have approached Shearer earlier to give him an assurance he had not been destabilising his leadership.

Insiders were saying there was no discussion about a no confidence motion during Monday’s caucus.

Reports from inside the David Cunliffe camp said he had contacted Shearer to assure him he was not behind any of the rumours and was not moving against him.

The old saying is it is never official until it is denied – as Kevin Rudd did. Rudd denied he would challenge right up until two hours before he did.

As I said last night, I don’t think there is currently a letter. However it is clear there is a destabilisation campaign underway. Just two weeks ago we heard a Labour MP telling both One News and Three News reporters that Shearer had 60 days.

An Auckland Labour source suggested the aim was to replace the current leadership with Wellington Central MP Grant Robertson, former party president Andrew Little and David Cunliffe in the finance role.

The unity ticket. The big losers would be Parker, and of course Shearer.

Rongotai MP Annette King also joined in the fight back accusing reporters of getting it wrong and running false rumours from Right Wing commentators.

As far as I know, no “right wing commentator” said anything about the rumour until Duncan Garner broadcast them.

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23 Responses to “Stuff on Shearer rumours”

  1. huckleberryfinsbrother (25 comments) says:

    More NZ party propoganda

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  2. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    The 3 MPs mentioned are all list MPs and for them to be taking such a bold move would require some pretty strong support from the Party organisation. Cunliffe is keeping his head well down I just cannot see Robertson having the widespread support that is essential for Labour’s Leader. He is strictly a beltway candidate who appeals to a few political insiders in Wellington.

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  3. Graeme Edgeler (3,262 comments) says:

    As far as I know, no “right wing commentator” said anything about the rumour until Duncan Garner broadcast them.

    Maybe he considers Duncan Garner a “right wing commentator”?

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  4. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Graeme: Garner was a bit of a lad in his younger days, and he’s certainly not a closet leftie like the snake Espiner…but I think it would be going to far to call him a right wing commentator…and Yes, I did realise you had your tongue in cheek…

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  5. huckleberryfinsbrother (25 comments) says:

    yes tvb and Cunliife is extremely unlikeable my punt is a NZ NAT Government in 2014 and 2017, reasons later

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  6. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    Shearer should just call their bluff and announce that he will not call a ballot or resign.

    Then if they don’t call a ballot, he should perform decimation on them for cowadice – by selecting 1 mp out of every 10 by ballot – and placing them at the bootom of the party list.

    In that way, if they do then call a ballot, those who will be higher up on the list will have contempt for those who called it.

    Ceasar did shit like that to build unity! :cool:

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  7. Ross Miller (1,659 comments) says:

    One can probably legitimately ask why Shearer is bothering to hang on at all. Why wait until you are stabbed in the back because stabbed in the back it’s going to be … just a question of when and by whom.

    What a clusterfuck of a Party.

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  8. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Isn’t this fake letter a play straight out of Rudd’s playbook? My understanding is that there was a rumoured letter circulating amongst Australian Labor MPs demanding a leadership vote. Gillard didn’t want to be seen as being forced to hold a vote, so scheduled one before the letter could be delivered. Then it turned out there was no letter, but by then it was all over for Gillard.

    NZ Labour Party and Australian Labor Party. Both factional schemeing train wrecks.

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  9. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Labour just tried the same trick that caused Gillard to call for a leadership spill.

    Gillard thought there was a petition circulating, but it was a bluff and she fell for it and the rest is history.

    Some dope thought the same trick would work on Shearer.

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  10. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    What a clusterfuck of a Party.

    Oh what a short memory you have. It wasn’t that long ago that a sitting National PM was dumped in a back-room coup. And after Key steps down because his lies have caught up with him, I am sure we’ll see similar issues with the National Party.

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  11. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    True, or not, this has further damaged an already broken Labour party. I am unable to recall any proposed policy that would appeal to the majority of voters that they have announced in recent years.

    They continue to appeal to minority interests and forget about the rest of us. The trouble is that elections are won on majorities, not on the votes of special interest groups.

    Of course all is not lost. The old stand-by of the totally unaffordable election bribe may be their ace in the hole come election time. Clark proved that this strategy works. Labour have the benefit of being unconstrained by economic reality and will make the most fantastic promises to buy votes.

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  12. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    This event points once again to the fact that the media are a political force in this country and they frequently drive stories.

    If I was a politician I would not talk to any of the dirty commie fuckers, and I would tell them why.

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  13. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    Clayton Cosgrove, Andrew Little and Shane Jones – if one was inventing a group of men who were acting to get John Tamihere back into parliament over the death bed of equal representation for women, these are the three one would pose as involved.

    Thus this had to be a stitch up … so why did Garner not suspect anything?

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  14. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ross69, the great thing about Labour is that there is no need to waste energy attacking them. They do it all themselves. Their entire ideology is a destructive one based on envy and a lust for control over other people. It is as damaging to them internally as it is for others.

    John Key has it made. He does not need to spend a moment of his time attacking Labour, except for the odd dig just for laughs. So he comes across as being above it all, positive and forward looking. While Labour comes across and petty, nasty and fragmented.

    If I was a lefty I would shoot myself be gutted by the state of the NZ left :)

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  15. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    A classic case of media hubris, first they create the idea that Shearer has to impose himself on the party to show he is in charge, then when he does they say there are then consequences for his leadership in suppressing the democratic process.

    The point of which is to remind everyone that the parliamentary caucus selected Shearer and protected him from a wider party vote, and it is the wider democratic process within the party that will select leaders in the future.

    In a sense the clash is between media and public opinion polls and the members of political parties for control of the caucus of the parliamentary parties in formulating policy. If the media choose to frame equal representation for women as quotas in contrast to merit based selection they can protect the dominance of men in parliament, rather than allow a debate on the glass ceiling including parliamentary representation.
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  16. labrator (1,744 comments) says:

    Shearer should just call their bluff and announce that he will not call a ballot or resign.

    Did you see how long he took to shake of the “man-ban” story? He has not an ounce of political skill at this level. Poor bastard. He seems like a genuinely good guy who thought he could make a positive difference. Then he became leader of the Labour party & learnt what it’s like when people aren’t actually all trying to achieve the same thing.

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  17. lastmanstanding (1,200 comments) says:

    Well all this just reinforces for me what I have always believed and that is politicans are completely untrustworthy totally contemptible and not worth a pinch of shit.

    Mind you that do provide much sport and mirth watching them flay around in their own little self important world whilst the rest of us citizens just get on with life DESPITE their best efforts to thwart us.

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  18. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    People are floating trial balloons and doing the numbers. My guess is the plotters will wait for the two big TV polls to see if they confirm the declining trend in the Fairfax and Roy Morgan polls before they move. Bear in mind we are not talking about an old style quick and dirty caucus coup as Rudd just did in Australian Labor – Clause 308 (b) of the Labour Constitution states: “An election for the Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party will be held when the position becomes vacant, or on receipt by the President of the Party of written notification that the Caucus has passed a motion that the Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party is not endorsed by at least 50% plus one (1) of the Caucus.” Even if Shearer steps down it merely triggers the election process detailed in Clause 308 (d) – the electoral college (Caucus 40/Party 40/Unions 20).

    https://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labour.org.nz/files/2013%20NZLP%20Constitution.pdf

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  19. Roflcopter (420 comments) says:

    Seriously, if you were leading the charge, in secrecy, to roll Shearer and he came up to you to ask if you were trying to undermine him… are you going to say “yes… yes i am, i’m just spell-checking the letter”?

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  20. backster (2,073 comments) says:

    Well if Shearer is forced out maybe he could fill one of the vacancies on Sir Owens failed socialists talkfest.

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  21. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    Personality-driven vacuous New Zealand non-news. Patrick Gower and Duncan Garner, put up or shut up. Is there a letter, or isn’t there?

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/media-as-players-in-non-existent-coups/

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  22. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    Joffrey Baratheon: I am the king! I will punish you.

    Tywin Lannister: Any man who must say, “I am the king” is no true king.

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  23. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    “Did you see how long he took to shake of the “man-ban” story?” = That’s because nobody believes the manban is not still their policy.

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