Bennett v Rankin

December 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Colin Espiner reports:

The Conservative Party is poised to stand its high-profile chief executive against National’s in Upper Harbour, setting up a potential battle of the former solo mums next election.

Conservative Party leader Colin Craig confirmed to the Sunday Star-Times that the party’s board had formally asked the controversial former boss of Work and Income New Zealand to stand in next year’s general election. …

Bennett and Rankin have similar back stories; both grew up in households without much money, had children at a young age and raised them alone on the domestic purposes benefit. Both ended up in charge of their former paymaster; Rankin as chief executive of Work and Income New Zealand and Bennett as Minister of Social Development.

It will be an interesting contest. I suspect both women will agree on a lot of stuff around welfare reforms but perhaps disagree in other areas.

Polling had indicated Rankin would do well in the proposed electorate that would wrap around the north and west of Auckland’s Waitemata Harbour. …

Independent polling by Research Solutions for the obtained by the Star-Times shows Rankin has 24 per cent support in Upper Harbour, with 20 per cent opting for “another candidate” and a large 56 per cent undecided.

I’ve blogged on this before, but a poll which names only one candidate has little value in predicting the outcome of an election. A poll should either be totally unprompted (Which candidate or party’s candidate would you vote for) or totally prompted (Which of the following candidates would you vote for). A poll which just asks “Would you vote for Candidate A or some other candidate” has relatively little value.

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72 Responses to “Bennett v Rankin”

  1. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    Won’t they just split the vote and risk Labour coming through the middle?

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  2. Simon Lyall (101 comments) says:

    > Won’t they just split the vote and risk Labour coming through the middle?

    Probably not. National will make a decission and either run a normal campaign in which case Bennett will win or a “party vote only, nudge nudge, wink wink” campaign in which case Rankin will probably win (if the electorate does what it is told).

    I assume John Key is waiting until the campaign to decide which way things will go and if supporting the conservatives will be a good idea.

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  3. Samuel Smith (276 comments) says:

    Rankin will destroy Paula Benefit.

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  4. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Funny how you fail to mention Craig’s interesting quote on the whole thing:

    “It’s going to be a fascinating contest between two very strong, determined women,” Craig said. “The word that comes to mind is catfight.”

    I wonder what Craig would call a contest between two very strong, determined men.

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  5. NK (1,099 comments) says:

    I wonder what Craig would call a contest between two very strong, determined men.

    A dogfight?

    Some very facile analysis on this. First, I question whether Rankin is serious. There are quite a few reasons why I think she won’t stand. Second, if she does, the Cons are seriously underestimating the electorate. It is not a “Conservative” seat by any stretch. And, I don’t think she is that committed to winning a seat which takes a huge amount of work. Third, National rarely gives “nudge nudge wink winks”, and it can’t do here because it’s not a certifiable Blue seat. Act had to work bloody hard AGAINST National to win Epsom in both 2005 and 2008. Fourth, there is 11 months until the election – a bloody long time to go. All in all, just more puffery from the Cons.

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  6. Than (439 comments) says:

    Independent polling by Research Solutions for the Conservatives

    Or more accurately, Colin Craig paying for poll results that suit him. An established pattern from the 2011 election.

    Rankin has a high profile, but her odds of winning Upper Habour against Bennett are approximately zero. Unless National does a “cup of tea” deal (and the speed with which Bennett declared her candidacy for Upper Habour indicates she would fight to have the seat) Rankin has no chance.

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  7. doggone7 (743 comments) says:

    Than
    “Rankin has a high profile, but her odds of winning Upper Habour against Bennett are approximately zero.”

    And even that’s a wild exaggeration of her chances!

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  8. iMP (2,302 comments) says:

    Gee, so the fact she was re-elected to the local Health Board among the highest polling candidates is just a mirage. Silly us.

    Actually more than enough votes to be an MP.

    Max Abbott 14990
    James Le Fevre 14199.89
    Christine Rankin 14025.28

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  9. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    She’s not there JUST to win the seat – but to increase the profile of the Conservatives in current polling – momentum going forward – and eventually, to pull more of the party vote nation wide.

    Remember the MSM feminists talked up Rankin to an entire generation of young women, and they never fuck with their own, so they’ll go soft on her compared to Bennett. Rankin will simply remind the public that she is a women and that’ll shut down the MSM if they start being fuckwits. Bennett won’t fight as there is no fight.

    Like someone said “11 months to the election” – and there is a lot of dissatisfied National voters who will start looking at the Conservative party vote when the likes of Rankin are on the party list. It gives them more credibility.

    And Labour has MORE dissatisfied voters than National, the soft left vote hates Cunliffe going hard left, as they know that is bad economicly all around, and those voters may well vote for the Conservatives – just look at the turnout for the sales referenndum -34% of all voters- and seeing that they don’t want National to get 50+% and rule ALONE and UNRESTRAINED. At least they know Rankin. Everyone is just currently watching the polls. Kiwis know how MMP works.

    Colin will just keep chipping away to get 5-10% of the party vote. Winning the election is Key’s job. Colin won’t upset National too much as being in government with National is best. 2nd best is being with Labour. But it will only set the country back 3 more yrs if Labour wins.

    Colin indicates he’ll work with either party – he could – but there is no real point of working with Labour – it would simply be a job of restraining them. A total waste of 3 whole years. Statism.

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  10. bc (1,344 comments) says:

    I think Carlos (@1.05pm) is right – there will be a split vote which will benefit Labour.
    With the polls having National and Labour/Greens equal, I think it is time for John Key to have a cup of tea with Colin Craig.

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  11. Steve Taylor (209 comments) says:

    I honestly believe that Rankin will clean Bennett’s clock in this Electorate. Carpet-bagging is even less popular on the North Shore.

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  12. artemisia (218 comments) says:

    Comment about, and interest in, this electorate will be significantly raised with these two candidates. If nothing else it will raise the profile of the Conservative Party, hence their party vote probably. Both Paula and Christine are likely to get in on the lists anyway unless the CP blots its copybook in the election runup.

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  13. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    At least the CCCP are showing their true colours. If they can’t stuff up the country with their backward Skydaddy rubbish then they’ll destroy it by gifting a win to Labour & their commie mates.

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  14. iMP (2,302 comments) says:

    Presuming National refuses to budge. Gee, how many electorate seats does National need, Nassaka? They only come off their party vote tally anyway so its not as if they lose anything while CP loses everything if they can’t reach 5%.

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  15. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    The Party vote is all important & will dictate the make up of parliament. If however, the CCCP doesn’t make 5% or an electorate seat any votes they attract are wasted. Since the CCCP is cannibalising National’s constituency by wooing the disaffected crybabies who are throwing their toys out of the nursery windows because of gay marriage they could easily be the downfall of the Right.

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  16. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    As than says, the polling is highly suspect.

    Independent polling by Research Solutions for the Conservatives obtained by the Star-Times shows Rankin has 24 per cent support in Upper Harbour, with 20 per cent opting for “another candidate” and a large 56 per cent undecided.

    Rankin must have been named because it was unknown that she was considering standing.

    Issues polling showed strong support for changes to the anti-smacking law and ending Treaty of Waitangi claims and the Maori seats – but a virtual dead heat over gay marriage and strong support for asset sales. The poll was conducted after Bennett announced she would run in the seat.

    CCCP-centric policies pushed in the poll and an as yet undeclared CCCP candidate preferred. Yeah, right.

    Carpet-bagging is even less popular on the North Shore.

    Where does Rankin live?

    Craig seems to openly consider any electorate where he hopes National will give him a free run. So far Upper Harbour, East Coast Bays and Epsom. Any others?

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  17. peterwn (3,189 comments) says:

    Perhaps John Key needs to purchase a ‘Cone of Silence’ for use in tearooms so TV crews and journos cannot ‘bug’ his private conversations. See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_of_Silence

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  18. Colville (2,148 comments) says:

    Labourites would vote Bennet to make sure Rankin lost.
    Labour would be (and should be) terrified of the Cons getting a toe hold.

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  19. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    National needs a high profile Conservative Party, as a lot of voters may stay home seeing that there is no point voting for the Labour/National monolith. And if that happens – Labour wins!

    Labour is mopping up the ‘lofo’ voter with ‘Kiwi’assure this and ‘Kiwi’ that. Yeah-na speeches to all and sundry also.

    That has worked well for them in the past, just look at how KiwiBank ect is ingrained into these people’s minds – Kiwi exceptionalism is what these people vote for – no matter how stupid the idea:

    Kiwibank would be printing ‘Kiwimoney’ – ‘honest money’ by now if these people were the government. :cool:

    National and the Conservative’s strategy should be not to condeem the people who have no idea – but to condeem the people who take advantage of the people with no idea. 18-28ylds are not marxists – they are just less experianced about life, and therefor believe that marxism is ‘just another choice’ when expoused by the Greens, and is not questioned by Labour.

    Or National can just sit back and watch a large % of young voters fuck up their economic futures by voting Labour/Greens. Or let the Conservatives do the talking.

    It’s the Conservatives who are the ones who will be giving young voters another true and real option – as Labour/National is statist socialism. The Conservatives should target the young.

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  20. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    …..”Labour would be (and should be) terrified of the Cons getting a toe hold.”….

    Why would it concern them unduly Colville? The CCCP will take a few votes off Labour, probably none from the Greens but the majority will be ex National or Act voters. The only possible loss to Labour could be the ultra religious PIs but they traditionally lean to the left who will gift them OPM in the fashion of the Horn of Cornucopia. This would be a test of money vs faith & usually Mammon wins these duels.

    Unless I’m missing something the Left would be relishing anything that further split the ‘Right’ vote.

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  21. duggledog (1,412 comments) says:

    Hmmm, good post @ 2.36 Harriet. My recollection is that the left hated Rankin’s guts for going in to WINZ and turning what was Glide Time on its head, making it more professional etc – or at least that was the perception from people working there.

    Those at WINZ on the ground at the time simply loved her to a man / woman I’m told; because she made them at least feel empowered and good about themselves. Whereas before they were made to feel like grubby grey civil servants – Rankin brought a little bit of the private sector into the public sector.

    I think Rankin could possibly beat the tar out of Bennet for what it’s worth. Amongst the many folk I know over there in that part of AK, Bennet’s and National’s glacial pace on reform although much needed has not impressed everyone, especially now they’re talking about more PP leave and more money for caregivers etc etc. I reckon Paula might get more than she bargained for.

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  22. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    Harriet

    Surely, even you don’t really believe that the Conservatives would attract the youth vote. Younger people are idealists (Green) maybe but they also believe in freedom.

    The CCCP represents the values of six decades past. It’s anti abortion, it wants to dictate who can marry who, it wants to dictate morals. Their whole attitude reeks of, “Don’t hate us just because we’re better than you….you worthless, dangerous, pieces of shit.”

    Stick to targeting the rest homes of the nation…..that’s where your voters live.

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  23. WineOh (571 comments) says:

    No doubt the MSM will trot out all the footage of Rankin with her short skirts and hooped earrings.

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  24. cha (3,823 comments) says:

    No doubt the MSM will trot out all the footage of Rankin with her short skirts and hooped earrings.

    Too easy.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2418008/Rankin-denies-affair

    http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/estate-agent-took-life-while-stressed-over-marriage-breakdown/5/65179

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  25. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    Goodpost duggledog#

    “….especially now they’re talking about more PP leave and more money for caregivers etc etc…”

    That there has always been a problem for the right/National – all welfare is seen as bad welfare.

    To a degree it is, but grand parents getting a bit more money to raise ‘at risk’ grandkids is far better than the kids ending up with just their mum and a near to fucken useless ‘partner’ – and then costing society huge amounts of money in health, education, justice, police, addiction, being unproductive citizens who don’t contribute to society ect ect.
    No government can fix all the problems in one go – but grandparents – who clearly do have the welfare of their grandchildren at heart by caring for them fultime in their retirement – and giving them ‘some’ welfare, is a good way of winding down welfare. It binds the natural family unit – as opposed to siblings with 3 ‘dads’. As nature intended.

    PP leave in general should not be increased – if anything – grandparents should recieve ‘some’ of the money to care for their grandchildren as this allows mum and dad to work – but also allows those near retirement who want to only work part time do so – giving younger people a chance to enter the workforce, and others in the workforce a chance to better themselves by climbing further up the ladder. Keeping people working till after 65 creates a lot of unseen problems for society.

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  26. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    Independent polling by Research Solutions for the Conservatives:

    “Who is likely to wear the biggest ear rings and smallest skirts if Colin Craig promises enough money to Christine Rankin to coax her into standing in Upper Harbour?”

    - Christine Rankin 24%
    - ‘other candidate’ 20%
    - 56% undecided

    I made up the question but what would Conservatives have asked to get such an unusual poll result?

    The poll must have named Rankin otherwise no one would have known Craig had decided that Rankin would attract media attention for him in Upper Harbour after he flip flopped over standing there himself.

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  27. grumpyoldhori (2,412 comments) says:

    One has to laugh at the conservatives, a good xtian party, I wonder if they believe Rankin when she ranted she did not have an affair with a married man.

    Would Labour bring that up about Rankin when speaking to voters, of course they will.

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  28. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    PG

    Mr Craig has a track record for bullshit polls….witness the “Research” poll for the Rodney electorate in 2011.

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  29. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    Yes, and this has all the hallmarks of a bullshit poll too. Was the poll designed to try and convince Rankin she had a chance in Upper Harbour? Or is it just a part of a carefully constructed bit of media attention for CCCP? Craig’s comments are odd if Rankin really hasn’t decided yet. But I guess it gets the media flocking to Craig and Rankin in the new year.

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  30. NK (1,099 comments) says:

    Oh look, my comment above needs to be taken from the view that I know Christine and like her immensely. I have a lot of time for her and really think she would be a great candidate. It’s just that I can’t see her doing it. If she goes for it, boots’n’all she will go bloody close. But she’ll need to be 400% committed and I’m not sure she can get to that point.

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  31. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    “….Surely, even you don’t really believe that the Conservatives would attract the youth vote. Younger people are idealists (Green) maybe but they also believe in freedom….”

    LOL Nasska – we are the counter culture – it is us who are now ‘the cool ones’. :cool:

    Young people in the 60′s didn’t like being told how ‘best to live their lives’ by anyone, and likewise today young people don’t want to be told what to stock in their fridges and cupboards by the government. It’s paternalism. And it’s a form of paternalism that wants to tax young people!

    Yet at the same time homosexuality isn’t taxed – and that is far worse on your health than smoking and maccas.

    Anti-abortion is growing amongst young women as they see abortion as a matter of being irresponsable.
    It’s not ‘just a choice’. Shopping is about ‘choices’. Where as womenhood is seen by young women as being about making ‘responsable decisions’. Womenhood is not about being irresponsable!

    Young males get into lots of trouble with the police and courts for killing animals – as it is seen as being detrimental to them in their adulthood and for society in general – and it is the same for young women killing humans – it troubles them in adulthood and makes them less compassionate members of society!

    Young women’s mental health should not be neglected!

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  32. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    PG

    It’s all a ploy to soften up National to a point where they roll over & play dead in some electorate. We are going to see a real test of National & JK’s brinksmanship here….if the Nats fold they’ve bought themselves the biggest liability in the history of NZ politics.

    If they staunch it out the religious nutters & conservative thinkers will come back home to roost rather than live in a country where the Greens hold sway.

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  33. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    ….”we are the counter culture – it is us who are now ‘the cool ones”….

    In your dreams. If whatever you smoke had been available in the 60′s the hippies would now reign supreme.

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  34. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    “……If they[national] staunch it out the religious nutters & conservative thinkers will come back home to roost rather than live in a country where the Greens hold sway….”

    Go on….live on your knees……be bossed about by man hating feminists…..child hating feminists….socialists….marxists….the MSM…….unionists…….green nutters……Minto types……council busy-bodies…..and then you’ll realise why you came to pray in that position! :cool:

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  35. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    Harriet

    I agree that the alternative is not great but it beats the hell out of having the running of the one life we are given dictated by a pack of condescending believers in an imaginary Skydaddy.

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  36. bc (1,344 comments) says:

    Harriet @ 4:51pm “Yet at the same time homosexuality isn’t taxed”.

    I was wondering was those GST exclusive prices were. Thanks to Harriet, I now know that’s the price homosexuals pay for things!

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  37. Nostalgia-NZ (4,985 comments) says:

    I wonder why anybody would be so distressed that others might believe in an ‘imaginary Skydaddy’ or anything else. Much panic to admire.

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  38. bc (1,344 comments) says:

    Only Harriet could turn a post about two women competing into the same electorate, into a discussion about homosexuals.
    It’s a talent I guess.
    Nah, more like an obsession.

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  39. Scott (1,723 comments) says:

    Nasska- get a life man. It is Sunday,go to church rather than raving on all afternoon. It’s like having Kea on the thread.

    I think the conservatives have got great ideas when properly spelled out that will attract a lot of support. When Colin Craig spelled out his 10 point plan there was a lot of support from many kiwibloggers.

    They are the only party that represents the voter of traditional morals. That’s why I believe their chances are good come the next election irrespective of what happens with Christine Rankin.

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  40. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ

    I don’t care if they believe in the Great Pumpkin…..just so long as they keep their evangelising, moralistic fruit loopery out of my hair.

    Regrettably the track record of Godwhacks is not good in this respect.

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  41. Nostradamus (3,077 comments) says:

    Scott:

    It is Sunday,go to church rather than raving on all afternoon.

    You asked nasska to go to church. I’d take a bet on that not happening today, next Sunday or any other Sunday :)

    They [Conservative Party] are the only party that represents the voter of traditional morals.

    What happened to Christian Heritage? Did they lose their way?

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  42. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    Nasska#

    “…..I agree that the alternative is not great but it beats the hell out of having the running of the one life we are given dictated by a pack of condescending believers in an imaginary Skydaddy….”

    That’s not going to happen.

    Take porn:

    We have seen the damage that does upon young teenage girls and relationships ect. Women become objects. People get diseases. Young girls abort. Young girls go just that one step further – prostitute themselves. Young people and those in relationships have to deal with break-ups due to their partners being unfaithful because of an OVERsexualised society.

    Not one Conservative is suggeting to do away with all porn in society – but to take it back to what was ACCEPTABLE in JUST the early 90′s – it was packaged in R18 wrapping and placed on the top shelves in some shops.

    Those ‘men’s mags’ mostly just contained naked women – not women being ‘hard fucked in the arse’ ‘gangbanged’ or being ‘urinated on’.

    Since when was pissing on women sex?

    Legislating that porn sites are placed behind R18 or paid firewalls is not being religious – but being RESPONSABLE.

    Kids don’t need to see that stuff – while they are kids that is!

    The only reason their is opposition to it is because the gays ect go back to looking like the sexual deviants that they are.

    Children’s wellbeing should not be put at risk just to make gays ect look ‘normal’.

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  43. Scott (1,723 comments) says:

    And I get tired of the godless overturning our civilisation which is built on Christian principles. We have enjoyed two millenia of Christian civilisation which has given us unprecedented freedom and stability. Now we have the government trying to play God and as a consequence our nation is under great stress and strain.

    But when we Christians get jailed for some crime against political correctness no doubt the godless will be organizing prison visiting and other works of charity.

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  44. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    ….”But when we Christians get jailed for some crime against political correctness no doubt the godless will be organizing prison visiting and other works of charity.”…..

    Definitely……we’ll hide files in the communion wafers’ :)

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  45. Scott (1,723 comments) says:

    Well I hope nasska does go to church and repent of his unbelief. There are only 2 places you can go when you die. Heaven or hell- which will it be? For you too Mr Nostradamus.

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  46. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    Not one Conservative is suggeting to do away with all porn in society – but to take it back to what was ACCEPTABLE in JUST the early 90′s – it was packaged in R18 wrapping and placed on the top shelves in some shops.

    Conservatives have a different take on reality – are you suggesting that porn goes back to being packaged in R18 wrapping and place on the top shelf of the world wide web?

    I think there are far more serious issues to deal with other than reviving the Patricia Bartlett Social Suppression Corp.

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  47. Nostradamus (3,077 comments) says:

    Scott:

    Well I hope nasska does go to church and repent of his unbelief. There are only 2 places you can go when you die. Heaven or hell- which will it be? For you too Mr Nostradamus.

    And you know there are only 2 places you can go when you die because…? (Note the operative word in that question is know – ie specific evidence is required)

    Pete George:

    I think there are far more serious issues to deal with other than reviving the Patricia Bartlett Social Suppression Corp.

    Agree entirely. But when political debate touches on moral issues, people like Scott sometimes lose sight of the big-picture issues.

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  48. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    Read my post again Pete – I said porn should be placed behind R18 or paid firewalls.

    Pissing on women is NOT sex Pete!

    But you may disgree – it’s a free society! :cool:

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  49. Nostradamus (3,077 comments) says:

    Scott:

    The answer to my question (which you seem unable to answer) is that Christian Heritage did lose their way.

    Christian Heritage NZ Closing Down

    3rd October 2006

    Christian Heritage NZ announced today that it was closing down. Party leader Ewen McQueen said it was time for new things to arise in Christian politics in New Zealand and the party was closing down to allow that to happen.

    Mr McQueen acknowledged that Christian Heritage had struggled for many years to attract broad support. The criminal convictions of its former leader last year had also created a legacy of negative perceptions around the party that would be very difficult to overcome. He stated

    “For any Christian political party to succeed it needs to be a vehicle that will unite the Christian vote. We do not believe that Christian Heritage simply carrying on under its current banner (or even under a different name) will achieve this. It is time for something completely new.”

    CHNZ leader Ewen McQueen noted that there was a significant Christian and family values voting constituency in New Zealand that was at least five to ten percent of the party vote. Whilst to date it had not been successful in achieving clear parliamentary representation, MMP still offered the opportunity for this to happen in the future. He stated:

    “There is no reason why a broad-based Christian political party cannot succeed in New Zealand. The voting base is there and I am sure that there would be support for a fresh, new and unified political vehicle that was on message with the key family values issues.”

    Mr McQueen said parliament was lacking a political party that would make a strong and clear stand for the importance of family life, the primacy of marriage and the sanctity of human life.

    So, Scott, which political parties promote “acceptable” family values in your view?

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  50. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    There are only 2 places you can go when you die. Heaven or hell- which will it be?

    There’s much more than that. Mostly I expect to be going up in smoke, but what’s left probably dust to dust. If it hasn’t been raining. Of course that’s subject to fate. I’m not a coal miner or mountaineer but fly a bit.

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  51. Nostalgia-NZ (4,985 comments) says:

    I don’t actually know what Rankin’s religious beliefs are, but she would be an inspired choice to lift the stocks of the conservatives.

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  52. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    Harriet – I didn’t say I approved of extreme and gross porn, I don’t like it, I’m quite conservative in that respect. But going back to top shelf plastic bagged porn is impossible. Restricting it to paywalls is just as unrealistic.

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  53. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    “…So, Scott, which political parties promote “acceptable” family values in your view?…”

    CCCCP.

    They opposed gay Marriage.

    They support porn being restricted – from YOUNG teenagers and CHILDREN viewing it.

    They support family.

    They support womenhood – not the dumbing down of women to ‘economic widget wimmin’.

    They support the raisng of children by their natural parents, grandparents, uncles and aunties – and older sibilings.

    ect.

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  54. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    Christine Rankin is apparently a Soka Gakkai Buddhist.

    Soka Gakkai (Japanese: 創価学会?) is a Japanese lay Nichiren Buddhist movement with, by its own account, 12 million members in 192 countries and territories around the world. It has, together with its international offshoot Soka Gakkai International (SGI) been described as “the world’s largest Buddhist lay group and America’s most diverse”, but it has also been quoted as “quasi-fascist”, “fascist”, “militant”, “overzealous”, “manipulationist” and “authoritarian”, especially in the first few decennia following World War II.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soka_Gakkai

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  55. jakejakejake (139 comments) says:

    Colin Craig sounds like a real mean prick and I hope he gets a gay man’s used condom flung at him while he is out campaigning to oppress them.

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  56. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    Rankin in 2005:

    Rankin, the epitome of the secular Western career woman with a skill for waste-trimming public service reform, enthuses about the big change in her life; earlier this year she discovered Soka Gakkai, a Japanese Buddhist tradition which emphasises the power of chanting.

    “It has changed my life, given me a whole new meaning,” Rankin says. “I had a Catholic childhood, full of fear about God and what happens when you die – it was not anything joyous.

    “Although I believe I’ve always been very spiritual, I was adamant for a long time that organised religion was not going to feature in my life. Having had that Catholic experience and being rejected because I’m divorced, I wasn’t able to participate when my children had first communion, for example. In that kind of religion, you don’t belong unless you toe the line, and let’s face it, most of us don’t.”

    Rankin enjoys the Soka Gakkai emphasis on individuals’ strength in dealing with hardship.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10361977

    And in 2013 Rankin became a Craig Conservatist.

    While Craig avoids defining his religious beliefs he sounds similar to Rankin in rejecting organised religion. So he’s not a conservative Christian – but he attracts support from Conservative Christians. Curious.

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  57. nasska (10,821 comments) says:

    PG

    Mr Craig has stated in the past that he is a Baptist & a committed Christian but doesn’t attend church services…..seems a bit odd but there we have it.

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  58. dad4justice (7,898 comments) says:

    Does a committed Christian have to attend Church nassucka?

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  59. Viking2 (11,215 comments) says:

    Not sure why so many are hung up on the Conservatives being so called religious.
    One need only look at the Nats to see Catholicism has been deeply ingrained in their party for many long years and remains so. One doesn’t hear the Nats being ranted against because English is Catholic and had six kids to claim welfare. Bolger is of course Catholic with his seven (I think), and the Nats have a hidden history of pandering to that religion.

    I wonder at Craigs thinking ability.
    Why would you pit these two ladies against one another when essentially they have similar leanings in policy.
    More sensible would have been to have Rankin stand ina marginal Labour electorate where a Nat candidate is either new or weak. (plenty of them)
    The beauty of that would have been Rankin winning and then being able to rub Labours face in the shit.
    Perhaps in Cunnliffes electorate.

    National are going to have so many newbies that there should be a concern about the ability of these newbies to win electorates. Labour have so few and will also have a bunch of newbies and also ran’s. That’s where they need attacking.

    Love to see Rankin as Minister of Labour with direct responsibilities for cleaning out the unions, including the PSA.

    Simon hasn’t got what it takes.

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  60. Johnboy (15,382 comments) says:

    If the election night result gets down to a draw I’d pay good money to see Paula and Christine decide the outcome in a pool of jelly! :)

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  61. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    “….Rankin……discovered Soka Gakkai, a Japanese Buddhist tradition…………………………..Having had that Catholic experience and being rejected because I’m divorced, I wasn’t able to participate when my children had first communion, for example. In that kind of religion, you don’t belong unless you toe the line, and let’s face it, most of us don’t.””

    Rankin is hardly Buddist. She is just another ‘on a journey’ through life and ‘looks at’ religions for answers. Buddist leadership self-immoliate – they pour petrol overthemselves. She doesn’t take Buddism seriously – just like everyone else doesn’t!

    And Rankin then claims the Catholic Church is hardline where you have to ‘toe the line’ – so she left it. Hardly – one of the strengths of the Catholic church is that it is ‘realtively’ benign.

    Most people who are divorced don’t have any trouble with the Catholic Church. The problem that she would likely have had with the Catholic Church – was the fact she is ‘out and proud’ of being divorced!

    Divorce is not something to be proud of – I’m not saying that people should be ashamed of it – but it is not an ideal or value that people should aspire to!

    She seems to send the message that it is – she will have to change that if she wants to be elected by conservatives!

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  62. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    Well said Viking2.

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  63. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    ‘….If the election night result gets down to a draw I’d pay good money to see Paula and Christine decide the outcome in a pool of jelly!…..”

    How old are you again JB —–80 would seem about right——-if you’d like to see those two get ‘down to business’. :cool:

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  64. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,168 comments) says:
    December 15th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
    Buddist leadership self-immoliate – they pour petrol overthemselves. She doesn’t take Buddism seriously – just like everyone else doesn’t!

    Can you at least do a bit of research or apply some thought to the bullshit you spout as facts?
    There are between 300 million and 1.3 billion adherents of Buddhism globally depending on which source you want to cite
    These people take it seriously

    Not all Buddhist leaders self immolate. There have been some instances of this as an extreme protest but it is not mandatory

    I’m not sure whether you are an idiot or just dishonest

    As a pedantic aside, etc is short for et cetera , being latin for ’and other things’
    ect is meaningless

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  65. Wayne Mapp (62 comments) says:

    The only way Christine Rankin wins the seat is if the Nats concede it to her. And because it is not a rock solid Nat seat like Epsom, there is a real risk that if the centre right vote is split (i.e. no deal on the right) then Labour wins it.

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  66. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    @Wayne: if that’s the case, why doesn’t Labour Lite make an strategic move and strike a deal with the Conservative Party, while placing the respected (and effective) Bennett high enough on the list? It could make a big difference.

    Whatever it takes to fend off Labour and Greens should be the campaign’s motto.

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  67. Wayne Mapp (62 comments) says:

    And I guess this will be a key consideration sometime next year.

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  68. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    National can’t strike a deal and ‘gift’ Upper Harbour to Rankin, because that would be a major smack in Paula Bennett’s political career, and it would quite possibly backfire on National in a big way.

    Key learned that cups of tea are fraught with political difficulties. I don’t think he will pour cold tea over Bennett.

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  69. NK (1,099 comments) says:

    Wayne is absolutely correct. I have made the point a couple of times that the seat is not a “true blue” seat – there are some big pockets for Labour there. It is not a “gimme” for either National or the Cons.

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  70. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    Don’t worry or fret too much, P.G.

    Smile-and-wave can always strike a deal with your master over the Ohariu seat. If so, you could be in heaven the next three years.

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  71. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    While I’ll never be in the perpetual political hell you seem to inhabit Manolo the prospects are looking grim. There’s a high likelihood that our next Government will depend on any or multiples of Greens, Mana, NZ First and Conservatives.

    You grizzle about National and Key and the current government (which was one seat away from substantial difficulties) but it has been relatively successful and stable. The prospects are precarious.

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  72. ChardonnayGuy (1,168 comments) says:

    This all assumes that the proposed National/Conservative coalition doesn’t trigger an exodus of swinging voters toward Labour and the Greens, or that there aren’t any troublesome fishhooks lurking within the Conservatives. Remember the Christian Coalition in 1996? Those who do not learn from (recent New Zealand political) history etc etc…?

    And Rankin is being dangled before the eyes of fiscal conservatives for symbolic reasons only. Given her strong fiscal conservative profile, she’s being spun by Colin C and Rachel MacGregor to attract unwary, desperate centre-right souls to persuade them to vote for the Cons. Remember, though, vote for her and risk getting Colin Chemtrails in her wake.

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