General Debate 4 January 2014

January 4th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    USED TARDIS FOR SALE

    Tidy, late model, little use.

    Are you sick of today’s heathen society? Want to take your family back to the religion saturated days of yore? This little beauty is the answer to your prayers.

    Do you yearn for the time when you could beat your wife & thrash your children with impunity? With a twist of the dial the halcyon 15th century or 1950′s NZ is within reach. Large cargo area for the baggage you take everywhere with you.

    Economical yet roomy….will seat a small congregation.

    Trade ins accepted, terms to suit.

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  2. igm (875 comments) says:

    Fairfax have once again kicked us in the guts. They are stating a creep being deported from Aus is a Kiwi. Like hell he is, he is another vile PI. Read the story, another beat-up.

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  3. Colville (1,779 comments) says:

    Getting a bit closer to G*d, I am going to http://www.craggyrange.com/experience-craggy-range/terroir-restaurant/ for dinner :-)

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  4. flipper (3,273 comments) says:

    Bets on Corey Anderson at Nelson today????

    Bets on Jesse Ryder, Brendon Mc, and four initial Ross, to fire???

    Would be good, if they could. :-)

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  5. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Just when you thought that the fun was over in Antarctica – the Chinese icebreaker that “rescued” the climate scientists and tourists is now itself in danger of becoming stranded in the very ice that the climate scientists were trying to disprove the existence of! What a farce this whole “expedition” has become…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/but-wait-theres-more.html

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  6. Colville (1,779 comments) says:

    igm, Pity he is actually a NZer by birth, he will be welcomed with open arms by the Hawkes Bay Mongrel Mob.

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  7. Colville (1,779 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock, since when did the truth get in the way of an AGW story? Ha!

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  8. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    Editorial: Voucher scheme to stop smoking worth trying
    5:30 AM Saturday Jan 4, 2014

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11181042

    I see the Herald is supporting this scheme that is not only racist but plain wrong. We have patients or their relations having to fund drugs to save of extent their lives. When the state can fund these lifesaving drugs maybe then it would be time to consider such schemes provided it does not discriminate on the basis of race.

    There is no way health should be rationed on the basis of race. A poor white person could miss out while a financially secure Maori or Pacific Islander would get the benefit of this racist policy.

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  9. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock, here’s something you may have missed:

    2013 was Australia’s hottest year on record:

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/2013-confirmed-as-australias-hottest-year-on-record-20140103-308ek.html

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  10. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Waking up with religion the first thing on your mind!

    Has it shriveled with age – or from little use Nasska? :cool:

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  11. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    the climate scientists and tourists is now itself in danger of becoming stranded in the very ice that the climate scientists were trying to disprove the existence of

    Ironically, it’s you who is making shit up.

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  12. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    Nasska, USED TARDIS FOR SALE…

    Jump inside dude, and beam yourself away to your own selective silly utopian construct. Things are SO MUCH better today, said no one ever. We were all “THRASHED” as kids back then and civilisation came to an end as we all turned into embittered psychopathic zombies. Meanwhile, over in 2014…

    Massive suicide rates.
    No one knows their neighbours.
    Elderly people routinely raped and pillaged by teenagers.
    Society-wide abuse of pills, drugs, alcohol.
    Teenage pregnancies.
    Kids can’t read or write.
    Generations who’ve never worked.
    Govt. debt that would make our grandparents faint.
    Armed robbery, routine lawyer/banker/investment fraud and ruining lives.
    Spiraling rates of domestic violence and child abuse.
    North Korea.
    Murder, euthanasia, abortion a growing killing machine.
    Anti-semitism back with a vengeance despite lessons of the 20th C.
    Seven Sharp and Shortland Street.

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  13. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Climate Capers and Inconvenient Truths.

    “…..The joke taking place to our south right now is just a good example of why we should treat the climate alarmists with a very big grain of salt. Indeed, many large grains of salt sound like just what they need to get unstuck…..” :cool:

    As Andrew Bolt reports, “our” ABC did everything it could to play down the truth of this situation: “The ABC’s 7.30 last night filed an astonishing report on the ship load of warmist scientists and journalists trapped by ice as they tried to prove global warming was melting Antarctica.

    “What was astonishing was that not once in that report did the ABC mention ‘global warming’ or ‘climate change’ or even ‘climate scientists’. It did everything humanly possible to cover up the most embarrassing PR disaster in years for the global warming movement. How different it was last November, when the ABC in a two-part report eagerly presented Professor Chris Turney’s Antarctic expedition as a serious scientific quest to prove how global warming was damaging Antarctica.”

    After posting that earlier interview, he continued, “But last night – with Turney’s ship of warmist scientists and journalists embarrassingly stuck in ice for more than a week – the ABC’s 7.30 filed a report which no longer sold Turney’s team as ‘one of the largest Australian science expeditions to Antarctic’ on a mission to ‘answer questions about … climate change’.

    “This time it sold them as merely ‘tourists’ and a few unspecified scientists. This time it did not mention ‘climate change’ once. Indeed, Turney, who the ABC in November identified as a professor from the Climate Change Research Centre of the University of NSW, was this time identified merely as ‘expedition leader’. Not once did 7.30 last night report the real story and the real joke – that a ship carrying warmist scientists and journalists, plus a Greens politician, was trapped in thick ice that those on board had insisted was melting away.”

    http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2014/01/02/climate-capers-and-inconvenient-truths/

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  14. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Family love the North Korean way: http://world.time.com/2014/01/03/a-dog-of-a-story-why-kim-jong-un-probably-did-not-feed-his-uncle-to-120-hounds/

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  15. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    And imp forgot to add homosexuality and sodomy too Nasska! :cool:

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  16. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    @Colville: Easy on the wine list mate, otherwise the bill could be astronomical (I speak from experience!).
    Enjoy the occasion.

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  17. igm (875 comments) says:

    Colville: His parents are PIs and basically of no fixed abode so he is no bloody Kiwi.

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  18. SGA (541 comments) says:

    nasska at 8:00 am

    USED TARDIS FOR SALE
    Tidy, late model, little use.

    Can serious prospective buyers take it for a test drive?

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  19. duggledog (1,116 comments) says:

    Australian authorities but mostly the cops are not big fans of PI’s and Maoris. Very much so in Victoria and QLD not sure about other states.

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  20. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Scott Chris said

    Ironically, it’s you who is making shit up.

    Oh dear Scott; attack the messenger why don’t you? Here’s the story from APP as reported by Newstalk ZB:

    Second icebreaker at risk of getting stuck

    By: AAP, | Latest News | Saturday January 4 2014 6:57

    Related Audio
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    A Chinese icebreaker that helped rescue 52 people from a research ship stuck in sea ice in the Antarctic may now be stuck itself.

    Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis, which has the rescued passengers on board, has been placed on standby in case the Xue Long needs help.

    The stranded passengers were rescued by the Xue Long’s helicopter which transferred them to the Aurora Australis in a seven hour operation on Thursday.

    Scientists and tourists had been stuck on the Russian vessel Akademik Shokalskiy since Christmas Eve, after a blizzard pushed sea ice around the ship, freezing it in place.

    The group was moved from the Akademik Shokalskiy in five flights of up to 12 passengers, with each return journey being about 14 nautical miles.

    Earlier icebreaking attempts to reach the ship failed because of the thickness of the ice.

    The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) co-ordinated the rescue and was told on Friday afternoon by the Xue Long that it has concerns about its ability to move through heavy ice as it leaves the area.

    It will attempt to manoeuvre through the ice when tidal conditions are most suitable, early on Saturday.

    The Aurora Australis will stay in open water in the area as a precaution.

    The head of AMSA’s emergency response division, John Young, said the rescue was among the most difficult of Antarctic operations.

    The movement of the ice and changing weather had introduced complications, he said.

    “The difficulty of getting good weather windows, and getting the right ice conditions, really make life very difficult, and in this particular case the simple fact of having to move 52 people who are not really trained in that environment added complexity,” he told reporters on Friday.

    Given that the Australian expedition had publicly announced its purpose to investigate the effect of climate change on polar ice masses (prior to getting stuck in ice), who’s “making shit up”?

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  21. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    iMP

    You’ve been on the turps again.

    Massive suicide rates…..Fifty years ago people drank themselves to death to escape the religion.

    No one knows their neighbours….The lot of today’s neighbourhood gossip is not a happy one.

    Society-wide abuse of pills, drugs, alcohol…..Fifty years ago alcohol covered all the bases.

    Teenage pregnancies……shotgun marriages after the girl received a good bashing.

    Kids can’t read or write……hasn’t changed, idiots begat idiots.

    Generations who’ve never worked……wars that killed so many that labour was scarce.

    Govt. debt that would make our grandparents faint….the public works of the Twentieth Century didn’t pay for themselves.

    Armed robbery, routine lawyer/banker/investment fraud and ruining lives……no change.

    Spiraling rates of domestic violence and child abuse……compared with fifty years ago….you’re hallucinating!

    North Korea…..hasn’t changed but the USSR has.

    Murder, euthanasia, abortion a growing killing machine……back street abortions flourished & few lived long enough to qualify for euthanasia.

    Anti-semitism back with a vengeance despite lessons of the 20th C……replaced rampant racialism eg anti black. anti chow.

    Seven Sharp and Shortland Street…..Aaah, the nostalgia of the Waltons.

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  22. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Good to see that once again you managed to get a plug in for sodomy…..your life has not been wasted. :)

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  23. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    igm

    Stop being an ignorant twat for 5 minutes of your sad day and read the article

    His father is a minister and goes where the church sends him, the parents are not of NFA.

    NZ deports lots of Aussies home each year as well

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  24. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Given that the Australian expedition had publicly announced its purpose to investigate the effect of climate change on polar ice masses (prior to getting stuck in ice), who’s “making shit up”?

    You are. I specifically quoted the bit you made up in case you didn’t notice:

    the climate scientists and tourists is now itself in danger of becoming stranded in the very ice that the climate scientists were trying to disprove the existence of

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  25. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    nasska @8.57am

    you’ve said it well.

    There are a few unworldly types up early to day

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  26. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Nasska is one of the first to complain that religion derails GD. Why bring it up?

    Obsessive secular bigot .

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  27. RF (1,132 comments) says:

    duggledog. 8.53am. Aussie coppers from all states have problems with our exports. Its their size and inability to handle alcohol that make them difficult to deal with. In addition they appear to receive preferential treatment from the authorities over here and get one hell of a fright when they expect the same from the Aussie Police who do not piss around.

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  28. igm (875 comments) says:

    How would you like to be a ratepayer in Horowhenua? The dysfunctional council has finally admitted it is prepared to give Maori preference not only in amenities, but now for job applications, being in Maori, and guess who foots the bill?

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Council/Careers/

    No mention of race separatism here, but if there is you should immediately be laying a private prosecution as they will be breaking several statutes on the way .

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  30. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    And just to explain yet again that:

    Land ice and sea ice are not the same. Scientists know the extent of the seasonal Antarctic sea ice has increased in recent years despite the increasing average temperature.

    The Antarctic land ice however is steadily shrinking. The scientist aboard these ships didn’t go looking for absence of ice, (an absurd and frankly stupid suggestion) they went to re-measure previously taken measurements as scientists are wont to do.

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  31. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…..Anti-semitism back with a vengeance despite lessons of the 20th C……replaced rampant racialism eg anti black. anti chow….’

    Be serious.

    No one gassed a million of them.

    No one threatened to wipe THEM ALL of the face of the earth either.

    No one threatened to evict ‘all of them’ from ‘their own country’ – and then unlike Israel’s neigbhours – actually tried to do so! [evicting immigrants on race[anti chow], is a differant matter to evicting a race from their own country.]

    edit: yes I know it is anti-jew[ a religious war] but Iran wants the entire population gone]

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  32. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Oh, and Keeping Stock, any comment on Australia’s hottest ever 2013 or doesn’t that fit with your narrative?

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  33. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    2013 was Australia’s hottest year on record

    The United States, by contrast, experienced one of its coldest.

    Why didn’t you mention that?

    Why did you so obviously cherry-pick, if not in a desperate and dishonest attempt to deceive?

    It obviously doesn’t fit with your narrative.

    Here’s the satellite global temperature record:

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

    Was 2013 a record high? No. It was the 17th year of flat temperatures.

    No warming in sight.

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  34. SGA (541 comments) says:

    Harriet at 9:20 am

    “…..Anti-semitism back with a vengeance despite lessons of the 20th C……replaced rampant racialism eg anti black. anti chow….’

    Be serious.
    No one gassed a million of them.

    I think that you’ll find that the death toll associated with the Atlantic slave trade was similarly grotesque.

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  35. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    Re the Palestinian “problem,” let’s `anniihilate the one tiny Jewish country in the world and make it the 23rd Arab country. The maths makes sense.

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  36. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    1. Do some of you not realise that Australia has its own citizens of Island and Maori decent. There are thousands of Australians of Island and Maori decent who have never set foot in the islands or NZ. They also have this wee problem of Australians of Middle eastern decent who have turned Sydney into a shooting gallery but lets just talk about the Hori’s

    2. Australian Police don’t really care what ya colour is ,as stated above they just don’t piss about.

    3. I was talking to a young guy on New Years day, no work here in our small town in the BOP Working in the mines in Queensland running a shift, has two houses in Brisbane, married an Australian girl, will very rarelyy ever come back to NZ.

    You can generalise all you like about people and we can all give an example of a shit bag, but 99% of us, work hard and pay our bills.

    But if your life is so inadequate that you have to spend your time to make your self feel better by posting generalisations about one group of people in our society because of skin colour, fill your boots and I will continue to call you sad fucks

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  37. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Scott Chris @9.24

    read the article , its Australia hottest year for 50 years, yesterdays herald has the article

    and there has only ever been one 2013, just saying

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  38. thePeoplesFlag (102 comments) says:

    “…Oh, and Keeping Stock, any comment on Australia’s hottest ever 2013 or doesn’t that fit with your narrative?…”

    Of course not, the denial chimps only cherry pick what suits them. for example, take that dickheads wattleanddaubme’s comment:

    “…The United States, by contrast, experienced one of its coldest…”

    The point is there is more energy in the earths weather systems; Cold fronts are larger and more vigorous, heat waves longer and hotter. Beyond stupidity it is difficult to know why the denial chimps can’t grasp this simple notion.

    To the frantic deniers, if it was cloudy and cool yesterday in Sydney it is clearly evidence global warming is a hoax. These people are in deep, deep denial – because to accept the truth would mean we would have to make a plan. And according to the strange, paranoid world view of the climate change deniers, making a plan (any plan) is akin to Marxist-Leninism. And they would rather roast themselves, their grandchildren and the entire planet than surrender to the “Marxist-Leninist” idea that we need to work together to save the human species from itself.

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  39. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    Scientists know the extent of the seasonal Antarctic sea ice has increased in recent years despite the increasing average temperature.

    The temperature in the Antarctic has been declining, not increasing (thereby refuting the AGW hypothesis.)

    That basic fact has been pointed out to you before.

    And hence, no great surprise, Antarctic ice has been increasing.

    These clowns are supposedly recreating a trip which took place a century ago, at which time Commonwealth Bay was free of ice.

    So they are stuck in see ice which simply didn’t exist 100 years ago, after supposedly a century of global warming.

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  40. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    oh fuck me.

    Scott Chris:

    The volume of the Sun is 1,299,400 times bigger than the volume of the Earth.

    The distance between Brisbane and Sydney is about 1200 km.

    It takes 12hrs[half a day] to drive between the two.

    Now…..If you transpolate Australia onto the sun;

    it then takes 600,000 days to drive between Brisbane and Sydney.

    The sun is therefor quite big.

    btw Scott my boy:

    The sun keeps the earth warm, and the sun also has what are called solar cycles, and these solar cycles operate exactly like …………….you climate alarmists menstral cycles operate! :cool:

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  41. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    pauleastbay

    Like your less than complimentary postings about Cantabrians?

    You’re a smug bastard with your “I’m such a racially tolerant nice guy” holier than thou sermons,aren’t you?

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  42. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    The point is there is more energy in the earths weather systems; Cold fronts are larger and more vigorous, heat waves longer and hotter.

    You do realise that doesn’t make any sense at all?

    Apparently you don’t.

    And you also apparently don’t know that extreme weather events have been declining.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/climatic-phenomena-pages/extreme-weather-page/

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  43. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    The United States, by contrast, experienced one of its coldest.

    Why didn’t you mention that?

    Wat, because I can’t predict what bullshit you’re gonna make up. Link please (to a neutral data source)

    @Pauleastbay – I provided a link to the Sydney Morning Herald which states “since records began”. Here it is again:

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/2013-confirmed-as-australias-hottest-year-on-record-20140103-308ek.html

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  44. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    I am racially tolerant but not holier than thou ( I probably could be but you don’t set the bar very high on the good christian scale so no point in trying) but I loathe ignorance doesn’t matter what colour it is , especially religious ignorance

    Christchurch is place name ya mong, not a race. But it is the only place in new Zealand that openly tolerates Kyle and his mates so that says a lot about the place.

    It is the IV drug capital of New Zealand ,it is the last town to have someone caught shagging a donkey and someone committing necrophilia after brutally murdering them. Apart from that, of course its the garden city

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  45. flipper (3,273 comments) says:

    thePeoplesFlag (51 comments) says:

    January 4th, 2014 at 9:35 am……..,

    ****

    What a load of crap. But then any adherent of ” …. the “Marxist-Leninist” idea[s] …” is by definition a moron.
    The eggs that Lenin and Stalin broke from 1917 until their deaths were clearly an example of TPF’s “…work [ing] together to save the human species from itself.” Some eggs – but all innocents simply wanting to live as ordinary people.

    KB has been mercifully free of TPF’s silly pronouncements for some days.
    So, TPF…get you gone. Go break eggs in Kim’s backyard.

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  46. RF (1,132 comments) says:

    kowtow. 9.41am. Maybe if some of the thoughtless critics of the Cantabrians had been in the area during the quakes they may have a different perspective on what happened.

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  47. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…..But if your life is so inadequate that you have to spend your time to make your self feel better by posting generalisations about one group of people in our society because of skin colour, fill your boots and I will continue to call you sad fucks….”

    But generaly………..

    Maori in Australia do very well!

    They have the opportunities over here. Lots of reasonable paying jobs that don’t require too much entry criteria; general office work, truck driving, trades, manufacturing, ect. I meet the occasional Maori from time to time, and generaly, if they are in a relationship they do well; own a home, two-three incomes ect. It’s the single blokes that are the ones I came across that are not doing to well.

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  48. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    Wat, because I can’t predict what bullshit you’re gonna make up.

    That doesn’t make any sense.

    You deliberately cherry-picked a regional statistic which is in accordance with your belief, and ignored every region which contradicted it.

    That makes you dishonest.

    And you did so in spite of the fact that your cherry-picked statistic is in no way reflected in the global temperature trend.

    That makes you a liar.

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/2013-one-of-the-ten-coldest-years-in-us-history-with-the-largest-drop-in-temperature/

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  49. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    RF

    Lots of thought went into my criticism, yes, the earthquake was terrible, but you can’t use that as an excuse for everything either

    For you religious types Sodom and Gomorrah anyone

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  50. Reid (15,592 comments) says:

    Does it bother anyone the NSA already knows everything about you?

    http://rt.com/usa/appelbaum-30c3-nsa-snowden-986/

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numerous-devices-a-940994.html

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969.html

    Of course, you have nothing to hide, so who cares, right?

    You’re quite comfortable with every single phone call and text message and website you’ve made and visited over the last ten years being known and stored, just waiting to be retrieved, aren’t you. Even if you’re a friend of a friend of a friend who just happened once to come into contact with “a person of interest.”

    How about when, not if, the US govt shifts into martial law mode following a tewwowist event and all of that legislation and security-state apparatus currently waiting in the wings swings into action? Still sanguine?

    Of course you are.

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  51. flipper (3,273 comments) says:

    wat dabney (3,188 comments) says:

    January 4th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    “2013 was Australia’s hottest year on record”

    The United States, by contrast, experienced one of its coldest.

    Why didn’t you mention that?

    Why did you so obviously cherry-pick, if not in a desperate and dishonest attempt to deceive?

    It obviously doesn’t fit with your narrative.

    Here’s the satellite global temperature record:

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

    Was 2013 a record high? No. It was the 17th year of flat temperatures.

    No warming in sight.
    ******

    Nicely summarised Wat.

    And, as scientific luminary Dick Lindzen has frequently noted, the IPCC/DAGW/CC scam cult, endeavour to cover up their lies by claiming all the temperature “increases” did occur, but “were forced into the ocean depths where they cannot be measured – or found.”

    What a load of bollocks Scott and his tribe expound..

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  52. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    eastbay

    I didn’t say Chch was a race “ya mong”.I’m pointing out that you generalise .

    Your rant @952 proves you generalise.

    I rest my case.

    ps Glad to see you’ve extended your “loathing” from just racists to what you term “religious ignorance”……one of the biggest of those here is your mate nasska.

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  53. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “….Does it bother anyone the NSA already knows everything about you?…’

    If they had skin as thick as Len Brown’s – then probably not.

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  54. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Here you go Wat, and from a libertarian (Cato Institute) source too:

    http://www.cato.org/blog/2013-will-us-temperature-be-below-average

    2013 average temperatures in the USA were .5 deg f above 20th century mean.

    Hardly one of the coldest mate. (you really shouldn’t spend so much time in your ‘alternative’ universe)

    And USA 2012 was the hottest on record. Funny that….

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  55. RF (1,132 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay. 9.57am. Where in the bloody hell did that comment about religion come from. I could not give a horses arse about religion.

    I agree that there are some fine hard working kiwis in Aussie but the publicity over there about our shit head exports be they white, Maori, PI is bad. I was over there recently and mixed with Aussie coppers so heard all the crap first hand. We have nothing to be proud of but should be pleased these idiots have left our country.

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  56. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “The point is there is more energy in the earths weather systems; Cold fronts are larger and more vigorous, heat waves longer and hotter.”

    Now the resident climate alarmist has a problem with too much renewable energy! :cool:

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  57. Ross12 (930 comments) says:

    Just for Scott :

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/antarctic_ice_shelf_melt_lowest_ever_recorded_just_not_much_affected_by_global_warming/

    and

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/central-england-temperature-stats-for-2013/

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  58. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    Scott,

    I am citing the raw temperatures as measured. That is, before a fake warming trend has been added.

    If you visit the link I gave you will see, lower down, a chart showing the hockeystick-shaped false warming trend that has been applied to the raw data. Note that they not only add a fake temperature increase to recent years (whereas, if anything, they should be adjusted downwards to account for the urban heat island effect), but, like Stalin, they also go back in time and adjust historical data downwards to help create the fake upwards trend.

    The resultant fabricated chart is what is released to the media.

    In any other context this would be denounced for what it is: fraud.

    Just a few items demonstrating this fabrication, which is a matter of record:

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/thirteen-years-of-nasa-data-tampering-in-six-seconds/

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/giss-has-increased-the-1880-1996-southern-hemisphere-temperature-trend-by-52-since-1997/

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/30/ice-free-days-in-spitspergen-tripled-during-non-existent-1915-1940-warming/

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/24/killing-off-the-dust-bowl/

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/24/cru-has-tampered-the-nh-temperature-trend-upwards-by-43-since-2001/

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/giss-busted-by-their-own-data/

    So, I am citing raw temperature data as recorded (and which should actually be adjusted downwards.)

    You choose to cite data which has been changed beyond all recognition.

    Anyone who cites the stuff you do is either ignorant or indifferent to the fraud.

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  59. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    Fired Christchurch city manager Tony Marryatt has surprisingly been reappointed chairman of the Christchurch’s chief insurer, the NZ Local Government Insurance Corporation Ltd.

    The Christchurch Press indicates Marryatt resigned from the board of Civic Assurance as part of his exit deal with the council. The newspaper says:

    … while Marryatt resigned from the Civic board on November 8 last year, he confirmed yesterday he was reappointed to the same role at the same meeting, held three weeks before he officially finished at the council.

    Marryatt’s term will expires on June 30.

    The Press reports minutes said “there was wide ranging discussion on Mr Marryatt’s performance, contribution to the company’s affairs, dealings with the Reserve Bank, expertise, the mix of skills within the board, independence and importantly the need for continuity as the company approaches the arbitration proceedings with the reinsurers”.

    The NZ Local Government Insurance Corporation Ltd ownership includes these councils: Auckland (19.9 per cent), Christchurch (12.85), Wellington (4.78), Hutt City (4.35), Dunedin (4.27), New Plymouth District Council (4), Palmerston North (3.73), Invercargill (3.7), Wanganui District Council (2.63), Napier (2.75).

    The newspaper report said Marryatt’s resignation was from “Civic Assurance”, but he is not one of the two directors of Civic Assurance Ltd, which is fully owned by NZ Local Government Insurance Corporation Ltd.

    The Christchurch Press report:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9575427/Marryatt-bounces-back-to-insurer

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  60. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    You ought to be mad to visit that hellhole:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11181332

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  61. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    A Darwinian near-miss: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533198/Pictured-Terrifying-moment-young-family-ENGULFED-huge-wave-walk-Cornish-sea-front.html

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  62. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    I am citing the raw temperatures as measured. That is, before a fake warming trend has been added.

    Wat,

    You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

    And you were bullshitting.

    And you’ve willfully allowed yourself to be misled by bullshit propagated by such fakes such as Stephen Goddard who won’t even reveal their actual identity or credentials (or lack thereof)

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  63. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    “2013 was Australia’s hottest year on record”

    The United States, by contrast, experienced one of its coldest.

    Ditto for India, experiencing the coldest winter in 44 years.

    http://www.usnews.com/photos/india-suffers-through-deadly-freezing-temperatures

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  64. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Just for Scott

    God, another who doesn’t know the difference between land and sea ice.

    Or who has actually bothered to read let alone try to understand what I’ve written or the thrust of my argument.

    Do try to keep up old chap.

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  65. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,334 comments) says:
    January 4th, 2014 at 11:34 am
    “2013 was Australia’s hottest year on record”

    The United States, by contrast, experienced one of its coldest.

    Ditto for India, experiencing the coldest winter in 44 years.

    See how bullshit gets spread Wat? That’s how you picked it up. Someone wrote something you wanted to believe in, so you just chose to believe it.

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  66. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    2013 average temperatures in the USA were .5 deg f above 20th century mean.

    Hardly one of the coldest mate.

    For the first time in 20 years, the USA saw more record cold temperatures than record hot temperatures in 2013.

    Miley Cyrus was a baby and Bill Clinton had just been inaugurated the last time this happened: For the first time in 20 years, the USA saw more record cold temperatures than record hot temperatures in 2013, according to statistics from the National Climatic Data Center.

    “For the first year since 1993, there were more daily record lows than daily highs that were either tied or set in 2013,” reported Weather Channel meteorologist Guy Walton, who keeps track of the data from the climate center.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/12/31/record-cold-temperatures/4264237/

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  67. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    See how bullshit gets spread Wat? That’s how you picked it up. Someone wrote something you wanted to believe in, so you just chose to believe it.

    The pictures of people shivering around fires that accompany the article would make me tend more to believe it than not. This is in India for crying out loud.

    http://www.usnews.com/photos/india-suffers-through-deadly-freezing-temperatures

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  68. Ross12 (930 comments) says:

    You seemed to be getting angry this morning, Scott.

    “And you’ve willfully allowed yourself to be misled by bullshit propagated by such fakes such as Stephen Goddard who won’t even reveal their actual identity or credentials (or lack thereof)”

    Who care if it is Steve Goddard or anyone else presenting the facts. All he has done is collect the data presented on their website at different times and pictorially present the changes that have been made. If you do not want to accept that then that is your right , just as it mine and Wat’s right to accept it as correct.

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  69. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    iMP made mention of this, this morning.
    According to Wen Wei Po, China’s official mouthpiece in Hong Kong, Kim Jong-um has murdered his uncle by feeding him, alive and naked, to 5 starving dogs. Beijing is non too pleased.

    Totally disgusting.

    From the Strait Times in Singapore.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224

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  70. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Good to see that once again you managed to get a plug in for sodomy – Naaska @8:59am

    Nice (unintended?) pun there. ;) If we’re talking about sodomy, it wouldn’t have been a plug, though.

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  71. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    And you’ve willfully allowed yourself to be misled by bullshit propagated by such fakes such as Stephen Goddard

    The enormous false warming trend that has been added to the raw data is a matter of record.

    It is a matter of fact.

    In what sense it that “bullshit”?

    And, let us note, the raw, uncorrupted station data is far more in accordance with the satellite data which shows no warming.

    So, in summary, you are asking us to ignore the raw station data (even though it certainly overstates any warming because of the urban heat island effect), ignore the satellite data, and instead just focus on the official press-release surface temperature numbers which have been corrupted beyond all recognition.

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  72. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    More brilliant satire from The Onion

    MACON, GA—Sources confirmed today that the brainwashed morons at First Baptist Assembly of Christ, all of whom blindly accept whatever simplistic fairy tales are fed to them, volunteer each Wednesday night to provide meals to impoverished members of the community.

    “Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in town who have fallen on hard times and are unable to afford to put food on the table, so we try to help out as best we can,” said 48-year-old Kerri Bellamy, one of the mindless sheep who adheres to a backward ideology and is incapable of thinking for herself, while spooning out homemade shepherd’s pie to a line of poor and homeless individuals. “It feels great to share our blessings with the less fortunate. Plus, it’s fun to work alongside all the members of our [corrupt institution of propaganda and lies] who come out each week.”

    As of press time, the brainless, unthinking lemmings had donated winter clothing they no longer wore to several needy families and still hadn’t opened their eyes to reality.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/local-church-full-of-brainwashed-idiots-feeds-town,34860/

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  73. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    The enormous false warming trend that has been added to the raw data is a matter of record.

    Rubbish. Show me an objective source that shares this conclusion and that concisely details its reasoning.

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  74. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    Yes Fletch, funny and it makes a very good point.

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  75. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    Rubbish. Show me an objective source that shares this conclusion and that concisely details its reasoning.

    I have already provided the links.

    Perhaps you didn’t grasp that the damning charts and animated gifs use official data?

    If you click on the above links you will find in most if not all cases that they include links to the NASA data sources.

    And the second part of your request, concerning conclusions and detailed reasoning, makes no sense whatsoever. The issue here concerns data and charting.

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  76. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “Kim Jong-um has murdered his uncle by feeding him, alive and naked, to 5 starving dogs”

    At least it was dogs and not cats! Gareth will be pleased…..

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  77. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    ObamaCare chaos at hospitals, as people who think they are covered are turned away because hospitals cannot confirm.

    ‘They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!’: Obamacare confusion reigns as frustrated patients walk out of hospitals without treatment

    * MailOnline spoke with patients who were told they would have to pay their bills in full if they couldn’t prove they had insurance
    * One was faced with a $3,000 hospital room charge and opted to leave the hospital after experiencing chest pains
    * ‘Should I be in the hospital? Probably,’ she said
    * Another, coughing in the cold, walked out without receiving a needed chest x-ray
    * Consumers face sticker-shock from medical costs under the new Obamacare system, made worse if they can’t prove they’re insured
    * As many as one-third of new enrollees’ applications have seen problems when the government transmits them to insurance companies

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html

    And the new system can’t handle it if someone has a baby –

    WASHINGTON (AP) — There’s another quirk in the Obama administration’s new health insurance system: It lacks a way for consumers to quickly and easily update their coverage for the birth of a baby and other common life changes.

    With regular private insurance, parents just notify the health plan. Insurers will still cover new babies, the administration says, but parents will also have to contact the government at some point later on.

    Right now the HealthCare.gov website can’t handle such updates.

    http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-adding-baby-plan-not-easy-082827023–politics.html

    It’s hard not to think that the system was designed like this on purpose to bring America down.

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  78. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,340 comments) says:
    January 4th, 2014 at

    Your not suggesting we adopt a health care measure as advocated by Tea baggers and the Republican far right .??
    Your presumably your ideologically in favour of less government here as well .?

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  79. SPC (4,674 comments) says:

    wat, do you agree that 1996 was the warmest recorded over the past two centuries and that the last 17 years have records that show we have maintained this level, remained at a peak level for world temperature over the past two centuries?

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  80. mister nui (885 comments) says:

    I fucking hate Telecom and their billing system… Ever since that bitch Theresa Gattung was running the show they have deliberately set out to confuse their customers with their bills. Their old bills were bad enough, now these new bills are even worse.

    As someone who travels regularly, I have many roaming charges on my bills, which are of course GST exempt, yet Telecom choose to lump all of these in the sane section as GST inclusive charges, then showing a total GST component for the whole bill. When trying to reconcile accounts, this mean I have to go through sometimes up to 10 pages of charges line-by-fucking-line to identify GST exempt vs. GST inclusive.

    Why these arseholes get away with absolute contempt for the customer beggars me.

    End Rant.

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  81. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    Fake environmentalist fascists like Russel Norman have long liked to lecture everyone about how the people of Easter Island died out because they didn’t have people like him dictating to them and so cut down all their trees etc.

    …But now some archaeologists, including the Bishop Museum’s Mara Mulrooney, believe that intepretation of the island’s history is wrong. Mulrooney studied 300 radiocarbon dates from Rapa Nui and found that people continued to use the interior of the island to cultivate crops such as sweet potatoes up until European contact. Previously it had been believed that these areas had been abandoned when the island chiefdom supposedly collapsed. “The new picture that emerges from these results is really one of sustainability and continuity rather than collapse, which sheds new light on what we can really learn from Rapa Nui,” said Mulrooney. “Based on these new findings, perhaps Rapa Nui should be the poster-child of how human ingenuity can result in success, rather than failure.” Mulrooney believes that it wasn’t until after European contact and the introduction of new diseases that the society underwent demographic collapse.

    http://www.archaeology.org/news/1649-131216-easter-island-never-collapsed

    So Julian Simon was right and Russel Norman wrong.

    No surprise there.

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  82. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Your not suggesting we adopt a health care measure as advocated by Tea baggers and the Republican far right .??

    Before Obamacare, the health system in the U.S wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t that bad either. Just needed a few tweaks.
    Now, it’s an utter shambles; Obama’s socialist legacy. His gift to the country.

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  83. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    Ahoy Pete George!

    Your United Future’s Chief Possum, Peter Dunne, is surely largely responsible for the creation of a new caste of (legal) drug lords in NZ.

    He led the appallingly slow, incompetent introduction of the new regime to control synthetic drugs, didn’t he Pete George? Dunne was the spokesman at the time.

    Based on the painfully slow reaction to the corner-dairy synthetic drug trade, you wouldn’t want the bouffe head, Dunne, in charge of reaction to a foot and mouth outbreak, would you PG?

    The Hooerald report:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11181088

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  84. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Review body ‘could save NZ millions’

    Millions of taxpayers’ dollars could be saved by setting up an independent body to investigate miscarriages of justice currently dealt with by a “clumsy and blunt” court process, Canterbury University’s dean of law says.

    Chris Gallavin and Labour justice spokesperson Andrew Little have renewed a decade-old debate, calling for the establishment of a Criminal Cases Review Commission.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9575420/Review-body-could-save-NZ-millions

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  85. igm (875 comments) says:

    Is “Ironman” Brown in any way related to “Stickman” Brown, the soon to be cashiered mayor of Auckland?

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  86. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘It’s hard not to think that the system was designed like this on purpose to bring America down.’

    Now the conspiracy is finally becoming visible.

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  87. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    I have already provided the links.

    No you spammed links to a bunch of pseudo science.

    Never mind. Maybe this will help:

    “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

    The “trick” is the technique of plotting recent instrumental data along with the reconstructed data. This places recent global warming trends in the context of temperature changes over longer time scales.

    The most common misconception regarding this email is the assumption that “decline” refers to declining temperatures. It actually refers to a decline in the reliability of tree rings to reflect temperatures after 1960. This is known as the “divergence problem” where tree ring proxies diverge from modern instrumental temperature records after 1960. The divergence problem is discussed in the peer reviewed literature as early as 1995, suggesting a change in the sensitivity of tree growth to temperature in recent decades (Briffa 1998). It is also examined more recently in Wilmking 2008 which explores techniques in eliminating the divergence problem. So when you look at Phil Jone’s email in the context of the science discussed, it is not the schemings of a climate conspiracy but technical discussions of data handling techniques available in the peer reviewed literature.

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  88. MT_Tinman (2,793 comments) says:

    Christ what a hard morning on the armchair watching cricket.

    If this keeps up I’ll need a holiday to recover from my holiday.

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  89. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘Now the resident climate alarmist has a problem with too much renewable energy! ‘

    so that’s why they really complain about wind turbines.

    I knew their noise was never really an issue. How gay.

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  90. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    Reid (14,618 comments) says:
    January 4th, 2014 at 12:08 am

    The US healthcare system prior to Obamacare only needed a few tweaks.??
    What tweaks exactly.??
    And those “few tweaks” would make it ripe for adoption in NZ.??

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  91. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    It’s hard not to think that the system was designed like this on purpose to bring America down.’

    Now the conspiracy is finally becoming visible.

    What conspiracy are you rabbiting along about now, wiribusiness.??

    BTW dod you follow through with my Flight 77 wreckage photos etc>?

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  92. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    The US healthcare system prior to Obamacare only needed a few tweaks.??
    What tweaks exactly.??
    And those “few tweaks” would make it ripe for adoption in NZ.??

    Opps.! That Post should be directed to Fletch.!!!

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  93. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Just needed a few tweaks.

    Yup, a few tweaks should do it.
    /

    http://www.viralnova.com/hospital-bill/

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  94. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘BTW dod you follow through with my Flight 77 wreckage photos etc>?’

    Did you know three buildings went down on 9/11

    But only two planes which supposedly did the impossible by melting steel!

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  95. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    No you spammed links to a bunch of pseudo science.

    Er, you do realise this isn’t a private conversation, don’t you?

    Everyone else can easily see you are lying, simply by visiting the links.

    Still, when even the most blinkered alarmists refer to official data-sets as “pseudo science” you know the end-game is in sight.

    As for the ‘hide the decline’ scandal:

    It actually refers to a decline in the reliability of tree rings to reflect temperatures after 1960.

    No, it doesn’t. The laws of physics didn’t change in 1960, and in any case the CO2 fertilisation effect would have given the appearence of enhanced warming in the last few decades.

    It refers to the fact that actual temperature readings were bolted on to the end of a chart of tree-ring proxy data, since if they had continued with the proxy sequence it would have showed declining temperatures. Hence they dishonestly chose to ‘hide the decline’ by switching to a different source and not telling people about what honest treatment of the data would have shown.

    If they had been in business this would have been called fraud.

    There is indeed a ‘divergence problem’, since actual temperature measurements don’t match tree-ring proxy data, calling into serious doubt the validity of tree-rings as a proxy for temperature. This was pointed out as one of the (many) flaws with the Hockeystick and its various me-too charts, but the alarmists ignored the problem since their manufactured charts gave the result they wanted.

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  96. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Actually, the U.S already had the best health care system in the world before Obamacare.
    It’s a liberal lie that the U.S was 37th best on the world or whatever. The WHO study those figures came from was based on how socialised a country’s medicine was, not how well people were treated (duh).

    Chait moves on to his empirical linchpin to prove his point that “empirical reasoning simply does not drive [conservative] thinking. What appears to be conservative economic reasoning is actually a kind of backward reasoning. It begins with the conclusion and marches back through the premises.” He goes on:

    Consider the conservative view of health care. Conservatives repeat the mantra that the United States has “the best health care system in the world”—a formulation used endlessly by President Bush. That isn’t true by almost any objective measure. The United States devotes a far higher share of its economy to health care than any other country. Yet, according to the most recent World Health Organization study, the United States ranks just 37th in overall health care performance.

    And what did the study actually, er, study?

    I am relying on the work of Scott W. Atlas, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and professor of radiology and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford Medical Center when I say that the lengthy WHO study Chait uses to prove the empiricism of liberals might be the worst study ever. This is what Atlas concludes, or at least that’s what I take him to be saying, in his article titled “The Worst Study Ever?” He calls it “an intellectual fraud of historic consequence—a profoundly deceptive document that is only marginally a measure of health-care performance at all. The report’s true achievement was to rank countries according to their alignment with a specific political and economic ideal—socialized medicine—and then claim it was an objective measure of ‘quality.’”5

    To take one small example: A full 25 percent of a health-care system’s final score in the WHO study is derived from what it calls a health-care system’s “Financial Fairness.” Essentially, the more socialized a system is—with the wealthy paying more through taxation—the better it is. Indeed, Atlas shows that “almost two-thirds of the study was an assessment of equality. The actual health outcomes of a nation, which logic dictates should be of greatest importance in any health-care index, accounted for only 25 percent of the weighting. In other words, the WHO study was dominated by concerns outside the realm of health care.” Oh, and the data behind these rankings weren’t even empirical. Rather than collect hard numbers about health outcomes or anything else, these rankings were weighted by polling the impressions of “key informants” in the health-care profession, half of whom were WHO staff and had a bias toward state-run health-care systems. At least that’s my reasonable guess (if the World Health Organization bureaucracy is a hotbed of free-marketers, I’ll be glad to retract). As Atlas suggests, a reasonable person, even an avowed empiricist, might think a ranking of health-care systems would score the quality of the health care those systems provide and not how successful they are at redistributing costs.

    Conversely, it is true that America has the best health-care system in the world in some ways and not in others. For example, if you are very ill and/or very rich things look better here than pretty much anywhere else. Saudi kings and Chinese billionaires come to the United States when they are sick because they know this. If you have a bad heart or a scary cancer diagnosis, America is where you go to seek treatment. And if you’re already in America, you have a better chance of surviving such a diagnosis than you do elsewhere. Our overall cancer survival rates beat every industrialized country in the world.6 We beat Canada—glorious Canada!—when it comes to preventative care.7 In other words, what you think of our health-care system depends at least to a significant degree on how you define best. And that depends to a great extent on your ideological preferences.

    Jonah Goldberg (2012-04-30T12:00:00+00:00). The Tyranny of Cliches (Kindle Locations 528-535). Penguin Group US. Kindle Edition.

    More – http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-worst-study-ever/

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  97. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9576776/New-lead-in-Madeline-McCann-case

    Can someone please tell me what is so special about this little girl? I’m really at a loss to fathom how it is that after 7yrs this story still has legs. It seems every 6mths or so another suspect comes to light. Are the parents over compensating for their sorry part in the tale? Are they making money from their misery & almost fanatical devotion to keeping this alive?
    Call me a cold hearted bastard but I really think they should’ve built a bloody bridge & moved on.

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  98. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    Cold hearted bastard – well you asked for it!!

    If it was my children missing I don’t think I could ever give up wanting to know what happening to them.

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  99. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    RIP Phil.

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  100. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    But why this 1 missing girl? surely the amount of attention this story gets could be better spent on more current missing children, after all she’s not the only child to have gone missing in the last 7yrs?

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  101. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,348 comments) says:
    January 4th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    “No one gassed a million of them.

    No one threatened to wipe THEM ALL of the face of the earth either.

    No one threatened to evict ‘all of them’ from ‘their own country’ – and then unlike Israel’s neigbhours – actually tried to do so! [evicting immigrants on race[anti chow], is a differant matter to evicting a race from their own country.]

    edit: yes I know it is anti-jew[ a religious war….”

    The more I think about it with your Holocaust denial etc not only do you seem to hate jews but your likely a closeted member of the RWR or Stormfront.?
    Correct.?

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  102. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,342 comments) says:
    January 4th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    The best Health care system and a Liberal lie etc.??
    Then surely the world is queuing up to adopt it.??
    if your believe in this palpable rubbish then why not get off your butt and do some promotion and advocacy for it this coming general election.?

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  103. SPC (4,674 comments) says:

    Precisely, a model followed by no one else being the best practice … yeah right.

    And if what Obama did is socialism, the rest of the first world embraces a more advanced form of that socialism.

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  104. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Aussie taxpayers are subsidising the scammers: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/hit-for-ice-rescue-revealed/story-fn59nm2j-1226794662899#

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  105. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    likely a closeted member of the RWR or Stormfront.?

    Remember, Ctrl + f is your friend because I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick there fella.

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  106. stephieboy (1,152 comments) says:

    Am sure the said poster is capable of answering for themselves or are you the poster’s. spokesman,?
    The facts are that Holocaust Denial and anti Jewish sentiments are very often linked together.
    Just got to Stormfront and see for yourself

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  107. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    Happy New year Kiwibloggers!

    I predict that politically 2014 is going to be a STONKING DOOZY!

    (As it were ……… ;)

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    My (published) comment on David Farrar’s 2014 political predictions article in NBR:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/my-2014-predictions-ck-150526

    No predictions on the outcome of the John Banks electoral fraud trial in 2014?

    (Potentially could be quite a significant political event?)

    Wasn’t predicted in 2013 that John Banks would ever face trial for alleged electoral fraud?

    Happy New Year!

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  108. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    The corrupt Miss Dim makes a cameo appearance.
    When are you going to pay your rates?

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  109. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Just saying … go re-read the thread because harriet-it, among others, just can’t get it’s head around some pretty basic tags which allow the poster to insert quotes, italics etc.

    Anyhoo, there’s more than enough claptrap to poke harriet-it with without misreading posts.

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  110. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    Oh dear – Boyolo doesn’t appear to have made any New Year’s resolutions about changing his gutless, anonymous behaviour in posting defamatory comments?

    Pity.

    Doesn’t seem to have developed any listening / written comprehension skills either?

    AGAIN – (for the benefit of the ‘willfully blind / arguably stupid’ – meant of course in a caring way :)

    I have no intention of paying rates until ‘the books’ are open, and Auckland citizens and ratepayers are told exactly where public rates monies are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors employed by the Auckland Council Group.

    ie: the NAMES of the consultants/contractors
    the SCOPE / TERM and VALUE of these contracts.

    Am looking forward to support from the Taxpayers Union, for this uncompromising stand in defence of ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government, and the the ‘rule of law’ being upheld in this matter, including s.17 of the Public Records Act 2005.

    Thank you for giving me yet another opportunity to explain my position on this matter.

    (How ‘brainy’ are you Boyolo? Seriously? )

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    (Also looking forward to a 2014 Auckland Council mayoral be-election – more developments on that matter coming soon …..)

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  111. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    I have no intention of paying rates until ‘the books’ are open, and Auckland citizens and ratepayers are told exactly where public rates monies are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors employed by the Auckland Council Group.

    Fuck off. Do you imagine for one second that the rest of us plundered ratepayers are happy with vast swathes of council spending?

    Just stop thieving, and stop deluding yourself about why you thieve.

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  112. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    What does a South Auckland girl say after having sex ?……..What team do you guys play for?

    What’s the difference between David Shearer & a South Auckland girl?……..David knows the names of the half dozen people who fucked him.

    Why do South Auckland girls wear hoop earrings?……..So they’ll have some place to rest their ankles.

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  113. SPC (4,674 comments) says:

    “The North Korean government does so many bizarre things we can confirm that a few of these dubious rumors must surely be true, right?” Sure. And hey, it makes for a compelling, albeit macabre, tale.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-25597324

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  114. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Everyone else can easily see you are lying, simply by visiting the links.

    Heh nice try. No I’m not. Stephen Goddard is a fake and a fraud.

    Anyways, read this. It might help – but I doubt it.

    The Yamal Controversy

    The Yamal controversy was an explosion of drama in the global warming blog wars that spilled over into the pages of mainstream newspapers. In the wake of Climategate, deniers latched onto a set of tree-ring data called the Yamal series that had been the topic of some of the leaked e-mails (after they were done squawking about “nature tricks” and “hiding the decline,” of course). The Yamal series refers to the tree-ring data taken from the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia by a team of Russian researchers, Hantemirov and Shiyatov, in the late ’90s. Hantemirov and Shivatov released more of their data in 2009 and Steve McIntyre jumped all over it, snarking:
    “”I’m assuming that CA readers are aware that, once the Yamal series got on the street in 2000, it got used like crack cocaine by paleoclimatologists, and of its critical role in many spaghetti graph reconstructions, including, most recently, a critical role in the Kaufman reconstruction.
    Keith Briffa, a climatoligist at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in East Anglia, had based a number of temperature reconstructions on a subset of the Yamal data. He claimed he had used a different methodology than Hantemirov and Shivatov because the original methodology didn’t preserve long-term climate change. McIntyre accused Briffa of cherry-picking. Of course, it would be perfectly legitimate to criticize Briffa’s reconstruction and perform a new reconstruction on one’s own. However, McIntyre just downloaded some other unrelated Yamal dataset from the internet and chucked it into the original set. Deniers, obviously, failed to care about this and the “Yamal is a lie!” claim shot through the deniosphere, with Anthony Watts picking up the story next. It then found its way into the right-wing rags, with James Delingpole and others declaring that the “hockey stick” graph had been soundly “debunked.”
    However, Briffa’s Yamal reconstructions were only included in four of the twelve hockey stick reconstructions and even McIntyre criticized other deniers for blowing his “critique” of Briffa out of proportion and walked back his accusations of cherry-picking. Sure enough, both Briffa and a member of the original Russian team released full reconstructions using the previously unreleased data and the hockey stick shape returned, confirming Briffa’s original assertions.
    However, the incident was still missing something: That classic McIntyre hypocrisy. McIntyre had been whining for quite some time that Briffa had been blowing him off (gee, wonder why?). However, Briffa, even though he had a good excuse, hadn’t been stonewalling McIntyre — the complete dataset was under the control of the Russian team that had collected it. After Briffa notified him of this, McIntyre then flippantly replied he had had the data all along!
    “”In response to your point that I wasn’t “diligent enough” in pursuing the matter with the Russians, in fact, I already had a version of the data from the Russians, one that I’d had since 2004.

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  115. jcuk (506 comments) says:

    I am asssured by somebody, actually two of them, that the United states has the most advanced medical set-up in the world and since most of the cost has been met by insurance companies extorting from Americans it is the most expensive in the world…. the sad part about it all is that unlike civilised countries which endeavour to look after the total population of their country in the United States there is a huge proportion who just simply cannot afford to buy insurance until Obamacare. True if you have an accident and there is a hospital handy you will get treated but if you are simply just sick you have a problem until you reach, if you survive that long, retirement. The United States spends the most on health care and sadly despite that has a large proportion of its citizens without care.

    The sad thing about Obamacare is the utter shambles of its implementation, without doubt IMO cheered on by the rightwing and their insurance companies. It is incredible how a so called Christian country can be so irresponsible to its citizens.

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  116. srylands (301 comments) says:

    The Left are hopeless on energy policy. The Standard is today calling for a tougher ETS so New Zealand can do its bit to reduce emissions. So they want NZ Power to REDUCE electricity prices and an ETS to INCREASE prices.

    “New Zealand is doing nothing about climate change”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/new-zealand-is-doing-nothing-about-climate-change/

    I’d get stuck into them but I am banned :-)

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  117. jcuk (506 comments) says:

    Obviously srylands you got stuck into them the wrong way which led to you being banned …. I have been criting their writers for years without being banned.
    Also last time I read about the subject at The Standard I found that apparently Lprent gave an amnesty so perhaps in fact you are no longer banned?

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