General Debate 11 July 2014

July 11th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    First!

    Someone needs to tell Hone Harawira that prefacing an apology with “if” (as in “”I want to sincerely apologise if my comments on Backbenches may seem to have minimised the gravity of the situation…”) is not a sincere, unconditional apology.

    I make plenty of mistakes, so I have plenty of experience in apologising unreservedly. If Hone needs some help, he just needs to get in touch :D

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/hey-hone-theres-no-if-in-sorry.html

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  2. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe said on Q & A that Capital Gains Tax was the “single biggest change to New Zealand tax policy in decades and it’s one that I’ve personally championed for years”.

    Except his claims of $4-5 billion revenue aren’t supported, Labour’s numbers are three years out of date, and they don’t even mention or list Capital Gains Tax on their Policies or All Our Announced Policies websites.

    This has been Labour policy since 2011. Labour uncertainty on Capital Gains Tax.

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  3. Chuck Bird (4,661 comments) says:

    http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201428/f38eef4d596d09f70812311077b3d3c43419026c_620x311.jpg

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  4. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    The Rolf Harris of NZ politics* is at it again:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10255134/Peters-lets-off-salvo-at-sale-of-properties

    Trust Winston Peters? Sure can!

    *implying he’s an entertainer of course

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  5. itstricky (1,533 comments) says:

    Every politician KS, not just Hone. Short of material this morning?

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  6. Bovver (143 comments) says:

    So 250 Fabian losers sign a petition for McCully to resign as a minister, good luck with that.

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  7. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (10,065 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:02 am

    …I make plenty of mistakes,…

    Surely not? I simply don’t believe it :P

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  8. Lance (2,439 comments) says:

    “I make plenty of mistakes”

    I made a mistake once, it was on a Tuesday.

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  9. Tarquin North (113 comments) says:

    Still horrible up here – should have stayed in Kansas.

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  10. ciaron (1,312 comments) says:

    http://www.speaknz.co.nz
    THE BEST PUBLIC SPEAKING COURSE EVER.

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  11. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ Kimbo

    In case they are around.

    Score 1/Nil to National.

    Have to say Kimbo I was REALLY impressed with the handling of the Malaysian matter yesterday. Key played that one very well.

    It would have been extremely wrong for McCully to comment, and Key could not comment, without appearing to be disloyal to his colleague. Any comment blaming the victim would have worked against him, for the reasons we discussed yesterday. And if he had come across talking about rape culture etc, he would have risked ‘doing a Cunliffe’.

    The person that did comment had to be senior enough for it to look sincere. And soft and caring enough for it to appear as concern for the victim. A female was best to do this. He could have used Collins, but as MOJ she cannot be involved, and I don’t think anyone could ever accuse her of being ‘soft and caring’ in her demeanor.

    Paula Bennett (who is looking very healthy these days) was an excellent choice. What she said was perfect.

    So, kudos where it is due. Nicely played National – you saved the swinging vote with that move.

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  12. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    Believe what you want Judith. I stuff up on a regular basis. It would be such a blessing to be as perfect as you, but I just have to accept my humanness ;-)

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  13. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Judith (7,147 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Keeping Stock (10,065 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:02 am

    …I make plenty of mistakes,…

    Surely not? I simply don’t believe it :P

    Quite right Judith. Its kinda like beauty in in the eye of the beholder.

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  14. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    Just to put a cat among pigeons….

    The similarly aged daughter of a close friend, said of Billingsley last evening : ” Do not let the lip stick, dress, and looks fool you. She is a lesbian.”

    Well, well, if sustained (I have seen reports to similar effect), what a contrast between Billingsley and her “mentor”, Logie. That is unusual because, our friend’s daughter said, “like attracts like”.

    Of course none of that excuses any attempted rape, but it may explain her recent actions and comments.

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  15. itstricky (1,533 comments) says:

    Judith I await the congrads from the masses for your non-partisan comments. Holding my breath… … … … … … … … … …

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  16. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,066 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Oh well, move towards the left side honey, and you to could be a goddess!! :-)

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  17. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ itstricky (1,490 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Don’t hold your breath !! :-)

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  18. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    John Armstrong: Minister’s enemies want to pin something on him

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11291492

    “Tania Billingsley’s beef with McCully stretches beyond being deeply unhappy about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs blunder that saw her alleged attacker return to Malaysia. ”

    And they could have prevented that how….?
    She might be ignorant but why is the media still going on about this?

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  19. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Ah so Armstrong has crossed the divide for sure. Wonder what that cost?

    Oh not much from socialist to socialist I’d reckon.

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  20. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    As a taxpayer I am totally pissed off with the Malaysian Govt.

    A few weeks back they lost an airliner, you will recall. Well you and I as taxpayers fronted up with more than a few dollars and personnel and aircraft to look for the missing plane.
    Our thanks for that decent gesture was to have them to tell our police and Govt. to get fucked and recall the slime that perpetrated this crime so he could avoid being held accountable.

    Perhaps we should stop hosting Malaysians in our Universities both of whom who are the beneficiaries of our never ending taxpayer generosity as we help educate them as we have done for 50 years or so.

    Would we miss them, probably not as there are plenty to take their place.

    Still most of you would rather pay the taxes to prop up these incompetents. Wouldn’t you.

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  21. itstricky (1,533 comments) says:

    Shit happens in life V2, you can’t blame it all on one person, one group, or one nation. It just happens.

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  22. itstricky (1,533 comments) says:

    I didn’t realise lesbians weren’t allowed to complain about harassment. Where’s the bit in the legislation that says that? I guess it’s never too early on Friday morning for a bit of bigotry.

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  23. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    She might be ignorant but why is the media still going on about this?

    I suspect because it very well could be one of the major defining issues of the election.

    Rape culture has become a widely discussed issue this year – especially considering the ‘busters’ incident. Then we have Cunliffe’s apology regarding abuse, said at a women’s refuge centre, and now the rape victim speaks out.

    Some on the right are fishing around trying to make it political, going so far as to say she engineered the whole thing, just to have a go at the government (I kid you not).

    On the left, they are encouraging the victim to speak out about the ‘injustice’ from National.

    In the middle you have the swinging voters. They are the voters that actually decide who the government will be. They’re voted both National and Labour over the years, changing their allegiance depending on the issues involved. They turned on National, supported Helen, turned on her to Key, and are now looking, after a two term govt, at their next vote.

    These people aren’t die hard supporters like you. They will switch if they don’t like what they see – and National coming across like they are blaming the victim of sexual attack/home invasion is NOT going to win their vote again. If that sort of attitude is displayed by the right – it reconfirms what the left has been accusing them of, that they simply don’t care about Mr and Mrs Average Kiwi.

    The media know what is at stake with this issue – and they are feeding the frenzy. National I believe if they continue to play it how they did yesterday, will come out on top – but they (and you lot, as their supporters) have to be VERY careful about how you go around shooting arrows at this young woman.

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  24. mandk (816 comments) says:

    @ Pete George on CGT,

    Apart from the fact that the introduction of a CGT would spawn a massive tax avoidance industry (think of all those extra tax lawyers and accountants), the supposed revenue of $4-5 billion is sheer fantasy.

    I’ve not been able to find numbers for Australia, but CGT in the UK generates revenues of only GBP4-5 billion a year in an economy that is 15+ times the size of ours.

    Cunliffe talking bollocks again? You betcha!

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  25. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    itstricky – “Shit happens in life V2, you can’t blame it all on one person, one group, or one nation. It just happens.”

    Except the left blames John Key for everything.

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  26. Paulus (2,490 comments) says:

    Judith – I do not usually comment on your diatribe but must say to your 8.34 – What a load of balls.

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  27. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    Other_Andy – “She might be ignorant but why is the media still going on about this?”

    Because the media are ignorant, they don’t know or don’t care about long standing treaties regarding diplomatic immunity and they want to “Get Key”. Just like many other people afflicted with KDS.

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  28. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “it very well could be one of the major defining issues of the election.”

    If that is so it demonstrates so clearly how a left wing media has perverted democracy so totally in this country.

    And how gormless the voters are to let themselves be so easily manipulated by a gang of cheap cynical left wing propagandists masquerading as journalists and reporters.

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  29. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,456 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    I can’t disagree with your comment Red, because some of it is true – however, that is how it is. Like it or not, a large amount of voters are more worried about their own particular situation, than they are about retaining a party loyal status.

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  30. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    Judith says:

    “I suspect because it very well could be one of the major defining issues of the election. ”

    What are you on about this time….?

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  31. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    but they (and you lot, as their supporters) have to be VERY careful about how you go around shooting arrows at this young woman.

    Yep, politically very risky territory – for all sides playing politics and getting personal.

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  32. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ Paulus (2,464 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Thank you for your constructive feedback. I will give it the consideration it deserves.

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  33. Nukuleka (199 comments) says:

    I would have thought that the central point of Ms Billinglsey having gone media public with her allegations was that she has now wilfully compromised the case against her alleged attacker. If the Malaysian government decided not to send the diplomat back to face the charges because they now believe that he cannot get a fair trial here, will this play into the Greens’ hands- will they be able to then point the finger further at McCully and put further blame on him- and by association John Key? “She cannot get the justice she deserves because of his (in their view) incompetence?” Is that the situation that the Greens have attempted to engineer by encouraging this young woman to go public?

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  34. wreck1080 (3,722 comments) says:

    I see the caught the liquor store assault / robbery suspects.

    They’d better charge one of them with attempted murder, from the looks of the video.

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  35. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    If a white pollie had made tha outburst that racist Hone had ,the MSM would have crucified him and forced a resignation.

    Because he is non white it just wasn’t turned into the type of controversy our media would have loved to have generated.

    The media are therefore racist and cowards.

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  36. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Billingsley would get ripped to pieces in court . . . she is a manipulative, left-wing activist, and I doubt if, after her pedigree and allegiances are made known, she would convince a judge to proceed to trial. Mix with dogs, get fleas Billingsley . . . you get no sympathy in most sensible quarters.

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  37. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    Why are people queuing up here to have a go at someone who is the victim of an alleged sexual assault?

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  38. niggly (799 comments) says:

    Nukuleka – Yes! And now the Law Society has stepped in and is saying the same thing as us that a fair trial could be at risk or potentially the trial discharged thanks to the media coverage of Ms Billingsley’s interview on TV3. Take a listen:

    http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20140711-0745-law_society_cautions_over_coverage_of_diplomat-048.mp3

    It might turn into a pity that Ms Billingsley (and Jan Logie) didn’t refrain from public comment until after the Dipomat had returned and the trial was over.

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  39. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    That liqour store video.

    Shocking,but then it would appear that sort of behaviour is now common plce.This was just caught on camera.Some folk around here we claim we live in better times,I’m not so sure.

    When they catch the bastards they’ll only get a couple of years .They actually deserve a very very long streach.

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  40. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    America’s blacks awakening to Marxist exploitation strategies ask left to please stop “helping” us.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/382135/please-stop-helping-us-thomas-sowell

    Shame NZ’s so called Maoris couldn’t also wake up to how they are being used by the left.

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  41. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ Nukuleka (178 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 8:54 am

    Given this young woman’s obvious high level of social conscience, I don’t think she needed encouraging. I believe she would have spoken out anyway. Have you read her essay on the subject? She, like the occasional other victim has done in the past has spoken out against a wrong. She appears to be a person that has the ability to see the bigger picture rather than just her own circumstance, and therefore, was always going to make sure her voice was heard, when justice was not done. She did only speak out once it became blatantly clear that something had gone wrong with the matter.

    I know people always like to search for the conspiracy, but I really think you CT’s are over playing this one. It comes across like blaming the victim for wanting justice done, and it comes across like you are trying to excuse the initial incompetence. That isn’t going to come out good for you – fortunately Key has been able to read the issue well, and knows what is at stake, and obviously isn’t stupid enough to go down the same path as his supporters.

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  42. Chuck Bird (4,661 comments) says:

    It is a relief to know my campaign is in good hands. Remind me to thank Cunliffe in my victory speech.

    http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201428/f38eef4d596d09f70812311077b3d3c43419026c_620x311.jpg

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  43. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    “They’d better charge one of them with attempted murder, from the looks of the video.”

    I don’t know if it will result in an attempted murder charge but there seems good grounds for it. It was a vicious gutless attack that was reckless at least, and must have been intended to inflict serious injuries at a minimum.

    Yesterday Tom Jackson said “Yes, for if it were not true, our society would be awash in violence, and it is not.”

    We could quibble over “awash” but our society is severely blighted by the levels and the nature of violent behaviour.

    Actually ‘awash’ may be an appropriate term considering the part alcohol, plays in violence, as it did in this assault (in a liquor store while stealing booze).

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  44. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Who was it that said a few weeks ago that this would be a dirty election campaign of the kind we have not seen here before? They must have known something.

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  45. simpleton1 (154 comments) says:

    The real political influence from Malaysia is the certification for halal.
    Halal for all meat processing, and also through many food processing factories.

    If certification is held up, dilly dallied with, then it will become real uncomfortable for the NZ factories

    The largest dairy company the largest exporter of dairy products world wide is also halal certified, particularly for certain products, that are exported to muslim countries, though those same products are still sold to the unwitting NZ public.
    http://tinyurl.com/mvukslq

    Even the New Zealander’s chocolate “whittakers”
    http://www.whittakers.co.nz/#/faq/
    if you go to the faq then fourth from bottom click for that answer.
    Only Rum & Raison that is not halal certified everything else is halal certified.

    Some other small business’s confectionery, yogurts, cheeses, restaurants, possibly with tourist connections,
    http://tinyurl.com/n3zme3v
    are slowly being pressured to comply to halal standards, and so pay the compliance certificate tax.
    Simpleton

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  46. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    mikenwimp: Let’s hear the other side of the story . . . I don’t believe any activist, especially a left-winger.

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  47. infused (634 comments) says:

    Labours policy to open source the govt made me lol this morning.

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  48. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ niggly (799 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    What you say is true, however, I think it was very unlikely that Malaysia was ever going to send that diplomat back. If they were, he would have been here long before the victim spoke out. Believing otherwise is simply foolhardy – Malaysia had plenty of time after Key gave his reassurance for fair trial and treatment to put the alleged offender on a plane. Clearly they were NEVER going to do that.

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  49. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    Looks like the far north is in for another bout of heavy rain on top of the flooding already experienced.
    http://www.metservice.com/maps-radar/rain-forecast/rain-forecast-3-day
    Not good for the Norths farmers and our insurance costs.

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  50. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    You don’t believe her igm? What was it about her statement that you found incredible?

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  51. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    igm (1,348 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I don’t believe any activist

    and yet here you are, openly activating for the Right, and expecting us to believe you?

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  52. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    Responding and commenting…

    Itstrick….
    Billingsley is entitled to complain. She did so ,and an alleged offender was arrested and charged.
    No problem. Police actions as they should be.

    But Billingsley knew full well, because she was told by Police, that there was nothing they could do to detain the Malaysian in NZ once Kuala Lumpur declined to waive diplomatic protection. To expect McCully to disregard international diplomatic protection “law”, and to apologise , personally, for failing to do so, is political sophistry of the worst kind. Armstrong reminds us this morning of what Bob Semple once said: ” I am responsible, but I am not to blame” (for failings on the part of McCully’s Ministry, including the female deputy head of the Protocol Division. who infamously did not even tell her Chief Executive.)

    Judith….

    Seriously, you over-estimate this issue.
    It is not a vote swinger among the great unwashed because it is plain to ordinary folks that all that could be done was done to bring the alleged offender to justice. I have no doubt that among certain people, who regard themselves as “progressive”, or among those that swing left ( to a greater degree according to issues) it is perceived as such. But the reality is that the overwhelming majority know about over-blown media attention.

    I have personally witnessed the adverse impact on one woman of the cultural gap between the West (inc NBZ & Aus etc) and the middle and near East. It is not nice, and I witnessed it in the Parliament Buildings, sadly displayed by a member of a visiting Head of State’s entourage.

    I suspect that for all their “liberal” tendencies, the media is driven largely by labour and the red melon greens, in seeking to make this the responsibility of J Key and his colleagues. They will NOT succeed because the gfreat unwashed see niogthing to sheet home.

    But from Key’s point of view there is a political plus. All the while that this issue is headlined, the media plays little attention to labour/red melon policy – except for the crap enunciated by Little. And National has yet to announce anything of its election policies beyond a couple of tasters.

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  53. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    @ Judith

    In case they are around.

    Score 1/Nil to National.

    Have to say Kimbo I was REALLY impressed with the handling of the Malaysian matter yesterday. Key played that one very well.

    Yup. A potential banana skin avoided for the moment. John Armstrong’s piece in the Herald is also largely supportive of McCully.

    It is really easy to stuff things up with people who perceive they have been wronged in some way and are outraged/annoyed/upset, whatever, e.g. the Pike River families. In some cases the need to go public and take on officialdom/extract as scalp is not just wanting to see justice and accountability done. It is also a form of bargaining in the grief process. Which makes it very human, understandable, worthy of some sympathy, but illogical.

    I struggle to see how anyone from the ACT end of the right wing spectrum could properly deal with that. Just take a misanthrope like David “some women are hirsuite” Garrett for example. Do you reckon DG would ever get the point if one were to casually point out that his physical appearance and mannerisms make him look like the combination of a [deleted by DPF]?

    [DPF: 30 demerits]

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  54. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    “Actually ‘awash’ may be an appropriate term considering the part alcohol, plays in violence, as it did in this assault (in a liquor store while stealing booze).”

    Puritan Pete strikes again.

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  55. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    Labour have just released their digital policy. It was live streamed (ineptly apparently) and live blogged with a very mixed reception so far at http://thestandard.org.nz/labour-on-digital/

    One promise is for “garage grants” of $10k if you want to start a new Apple or Microsoft in your garage.

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  56. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    I’m not sure what is “puritan” about being critical of 14-16 year olds walking into a liquor store, king hitting someone, hitting them on the head with a bottle and repeatedly kicking them in the head then walking out with booze.

    Perhaps you can explain what you mean kowtow – do you think the guy in the liquor store should just toughen up?

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  57. freemark (428 comments) says:

    The womin appears to be a bit of a honey, which is why honey trap springs to mind.
    The last thing she and her anti-Govt, anti- straight white male supporters want is for this to go to trial.
    I think the Malaysian Govt upset the plan by agreeing to send him back, and everything we have seen in the last week or so has been a panicked reaction to that – with the intention of prejudicing any trial, therefore giving the Malaysians an excuse not to send him back. This of course will play into the anti-Govt theme.
    This is going to end in tears big time for the Left…I can’t wait.

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  58. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    Kimbo at 9.20 am – having reasonably held DG to account a few days ago that’s a very low blow hit back. Degrees worse.

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  59. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    Nice conspiracy theory there, freemark.

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  60. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    “do you think the guy in the liquor store should just toughen up?”

    That’s a really stupid question!

    You’re blaming alcohol for violence.It’s not alchol that “fuels” this violence as the wowsers are so fond of blathering . The violence is a symptom of a morally broken and disfunctional society.

    We’ve always enjoyed a few beers. We haven’t always witnessed this level of violence.

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  61. Elaycee (4,286 comments) says:

    (9.20am): Kimbo’s sponge attack on David Garrett continues…..

    I can only wonder whether ‘Kimbo’ has been caught up (directly or indirectly) in the 3S Legislation guided through Parliament by David Garrett and somehow blames DG for his own shortcomings.

    Pathetic.

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  62. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    kowtow: “When they catch the bastards they’ll only get a couple of years .They actually deserve a very very long stretch.”

    You can’t even be sure of “a couple of years”. If those charged are actually found guilty (i.e. no problems with identification, etc) what’s the betting we find that they are “only” teenagers, that they show “remorse” for their actions through an appropriately-worded barrister’s statement read to the Court, and that the actual sentence handed down is far short of expectations held by middle New Zealanders?

    We have now reached a stage where the “rights” of perpetrators of fairly serious crime usually take priority over protection of ordinary citizens – and the establishment of effective criminal deterrents.

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  63. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    No Pete.

    I’m just describing what David Garrett looks like. Which he has no objection doing about others in plain and unvarnished truth rather than keeping his thoughts to himself. And he knows I certainly have no basis to suggest he actually is any of those things (that isn’t sarcasm btw).

    And anyway, on second looks those things aren’t really correct. David Garrett looks more like an aging lesbian….

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  64. Mr_Blobby (106 comments) says:

    Hone thinks he made another “Mistake”.

    No Hone you are the mistake.

    As for the feral scum that bashed the liquor store worker in manukau. Understand they have been identified and are all under 18.

    Name suppression, counselling, apology for publishing their faces on TV, taxi money for the trip home, and don’t forget the 2 stage wet bus ticket.

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  65. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee

    Nope.

    Just don’t like bullies who call into question the gender and disability status of people because they happen to be in the wrong photo with the wrong person.

    Suggest as your 3S hero still thinks that was ok, your cheerleading for him puts you on the side of people who pick on the defenceless and then mimimalise or rationalise it away

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  66. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    “We haven’t always witnessed this level of violence.”

    No, CCTV is relative recent technology.

    Out of all reported crime, police note alcohol is a factor in:

    a third of all violence
    a third of all family violence
    half of all serious violence
    half of all drugs and anti-social offences
    at least 1 in 5 cases of sexual offending
    1 in 4 traffic offences
    1 in 5 traffic crashes
    1 in 4 property offences.

    http://www.police.govt.nz/news/commissioners-blog/alcohol-causes-violence

    And

    A report on interpersonal violence in included, using responses from the NZ Crime and Safety Survey (ministry of Justice). Victims of interpersonal violence were asked whether the offender was ‘affected at all by alcohol, and with the following results:

    Victims reported that the offender was ‘affected by alcohol’ in stranger offences (49 percent) and sexual offences against women (44 percent).
    Thirty-seven percent of victims of partner offences said offenders were ‘affected by alcohol’, and 31 percent of victims of offences by people well known to them.

    - See more at: http://www.alcohol.org.nz/research-resources/research-blog/family-violence#.dpuf

    There’s clear links between alcohol and crime. I’m amazed that anyone would question that.

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  67. Elaycee (4,286 comments) says:

    Suggest as your 3S hero still thinks that was ok, your cheerleading for him puts you on the side of people who pick on the defenceless

    No cheerleading from me. But as it happens, I think the 3S Legislation is great and I applaud DG for guiding it through Parliament.

    Then again, I have vision from both eyes.

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  68. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Time for the young man molested by Labour MPs at a social function, attended by Clark, Cullen, Goff, etc. to go public. This has been circulating for too long, and there is best action taken. I hear tell there are some very worried Labourites that have done their best to keep this under wraps. Maybe there is a smell of the Hughes affair here as well!

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  69. SGA (800 comments) says:

    freemark at 9:29 am

    The womin appears to be a bit of a honey, which is why honey trap springs to mind.

    What? I’ve been ill and not really following the news. So is there now evidence that the malaysian official was a victim of a conspiracy to discredit him? Really? To what end?

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  70. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee

    Fair enough I’ll accept your opinion that you aren’t cheerleading.

    However, I question if you really have vision from both eyes. You seem to be wrapped up in your own narrative and speculations- I’m also supportive in principle of the 3S legislation. Completely separate issue. Walking and chewing gum – so I’ll ask you to stick to what is fact, rather than speculating (incorrectly) about me thanks very much.

    It doesn’t mean I don’t think David Garret is a loathesome person when he picks on the defenceless for cheap political points. And strangely, like the stolen identity matter that saw his Parliamentary career ended, a blind-spot that makes him, in some small way, like the uncaring psychopaths his legislation was targeted against.

    [DPF: 30 demerits]

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  71. RightNow (6,642 comments) says:

    igm (1,349 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 9:48 am
    Time for the young man molested by Labour MPs at a social function, attended by Clark, Cullen, Goff, etc. to go public.

    Are you referring to Jevan Goulter? I think that story has run its course.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/jevan_goulter_vs_labour.html

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  72. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    Its a bit of a worry just how much this girl is enjoying her media fame.

    Are the Greens behind this?

    Her life for the next 10+ years is going to be defined by this alleged sexual assault. i say alleged cause he hasn’t been found guilty yet.

    In 5 years time when she goes for a job and the HR loser googles her name, guess what will come up?

    Also, this was sexual assault, so not a rape? Do we know how bad of an assault this was?

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  73. Colville (2,058 comments) says:

    Her life for the next 10+ years is going to be defined by this alleged sexual assault. i say alleged cause he hasn’t been found guilty yet.

    In 5 years time when she goes for a job and the HR loser googles her name, guess what will come up?

    None of this will hurt her if she is a wannabe Green staffer => MP will it !

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  74. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    dime says:

    “Also, this was sexual assault, so not a rape? Do we know how bad of an assault this was?”

    After compromising (Deliberately?) the chance of a fair trial and therefor the waiver of diplomatic immunity by the Malaysian government we will probably never hear both sides of the story.

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  75. lilman (883 comments) says:

    Questions for Mr Cunliffe still not answered properly.

    1.Who was your secret donor?

    2.Is it right that you cleaned out paid employees when you took over as Leader of the opposition of those who didn’t vote for you?

    3.Did you embellish your CV?

    4.Who made the decision to hide money in secret trusts?

    5.Why did you say nothing when the Labour MP was involved of sexual misconduct at Annette Kings house?

    6.Why did you not tell the truth about the baby Bonus?

    7.Do you agree with the changing of the burden of proof to the proof of innocence?

    8.When you say that everyone should pay their fair share of tax,will it cover hidden secret trusts?

    9.Mr Lui said donations were made to the labour party,where has the money gone and has it been declared for tax and compliance purposes?

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  76. WineOh (539 comments) says:

    My thoughts regarding the young woman & the Malaysian diplomat-
    1. Remember that this is an ALLEGED offense so far, the court of public opinion has convicted him already
    2. She is well within her rights to speak vocally to the media, however she needs to be aware that her comments may now have reduced the chances of justice either through access to a fair trial, or Malaysia recanting their position to send him here to face trial
    3. WTF does the sexuality of the victim have to do with ANY of this? Is it a lesser offense to try to rape a lesbian than a straight woman? Or vice versa?
    4. Why the hell does the media expect John Key to speak on the issue and be to blame on a matter that is clearly subject to the courts and a pending prosecution, in areas all outside his ministerial responsibilities (police, justice and diplomacy)
    5. The left have unnecessarily politicised the matter which will act in the detriment of the alleged victim- despicable grandstanding for personal gain at the expense of justice.

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  77. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    The likes of mikemild , Lance etc always have a crack at me when I mention “violent native..or peaceful natives” telling me I’m racist and blah blah. Well , even you two must agree that the latest disgusting , nauseating attack on a lone shopkeeper by 4 or 5 black thugs is abhorrent and there is absolutely no excuse for it , it cannot be approved of nor accepted by any normal sane thinking person ( except H Harawira of course ).

    These motherfuckers are a blight on our society. When do we say enough is enough? How do we cull bastards like these?

    I am raging !

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  78. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    I’ve never noticed you referring to ‘peaceful natives’.

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  79. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    “3. WTF does the sexuality of the victim have to do with ANY of this? Is it a lesser offense to try to rape a lesbian than a straight woman? Or vice versa?”

    is she gay?

    gays are worth more than straight people. you know that.

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  80. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    By the look of what one of the thugs had written on his jacket he is no more ‘native’ than you dirty harry.

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  81. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Some law-abiding natives: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8873080/teens-identified-over-liquor-store-attack

    Four teens who allegedly robbed a liquor store in Auckland have been identified after people recognised them in footage broadcast by the media.

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  82. cricko (172 comments) says:

    Redbaiter @ 9.03

    Great post, thanks.

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  83. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    ‘teens’

    Belting and kicking the fucken daylights out of someone – then smashing a bottle over his head?

    More like a litter of dogs.

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  84. backster (2,073 comments) says:

    The Police have apparently now identified the thugs and have requested the News outlets take the videos down and the names cannot be released unless it upsets the Youth Court. I forecast a case for family youth conference and ‘restorative justice’ whatever that means..

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  85. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Cricko- my pleasure.

    Its all about driving wedges into our society to weaken us and make us more malleable in respect of left wing political policies.

    IOW, not about the well being of anyone other than LW politicians.

    Shame is its a strategy that condemns blacks (and or Maoris if you like) to a life of under-achievement.

    But the left don’t care about that as long as they get the political power that is their unending obsession.

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  86. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    The feral scum can be bailed to Pete Georges house. Pete will look after them…give them a stiff talking to and after a round of singing kumbaya..send them on their way.

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  87. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    Reactions on a US blog to Labour’s proposal to shift the burden of proof in rape cases

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/191516/#respond

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  88. Chuck Bird (4,661 comments) says:

    You can’t even be sure of “a couple of years”.

    That would certainly be the case if they are lucky enough to get Judge Cunningham

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  89. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Why don’t we name and shame people like this and then ban them from any benefit ever.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11291752

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  90. cricko (172 comments) says:

    Here is a site you can put into your favourites file to keep up with the observations of one of our times clearer thinkers.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp

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  91. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Kimbo: I suspect you are a young(ish) man…the other day you made a stupid and completely ill informed comment about the closest I had come to PI people was when I was partying late at the office, and the cleaners arrived…clearly being totally unaware of my long connection to the Pacific (I first went to Tonga is 1982). After I slapped you down you made a quick trip to Wikipedia and found reference of my time up there and continuing connection to the region.

    At that point any sort of man would have simply said, “I fucked up, didn’t know you know the Pacific well, but I still think you’re an asshole (or something like that)”. Instead you made increasingly risible attempts to claim you knew my history all along and dug your hole ever deeper, much to amusement of some regulars.

    Today, still smarting from that whupping, you resort to comparing me to a “concentration camp commandant”, of “having the mannerisms of a paedophile ” (whatever they might be…are you a phrenologist too?) and now “like the uncaring psychopaths 3S was targeted at”… all comments of course delivered behind the shield of a pseud…

    You are revealing far more about yourself than you are about me…Sad little chap…

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  92. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Still avoiding the issue I see David?

    You are a nasty little specimen who, when it suits, calls into question of the gender and disability status of innocent bystanders in your attempt to score cheap political points.

    And what’s the problem? – it IS just an opinion I’ve chosen not to keep to myself, in contradiction to good taste and manners, like hairy women. You do look like a concentration camp commander, a paedophile or an aged lesbian.

    Address that rather than squealing like a stuck pig when someone calls you out. At least you are getting as good as you gave in the first place – and in your case you deserve it. The person in question you took aim at did not.

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  93. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    DG – I agree that I think Kimbo fucked up on this, it was way over the line.

    But it’s ironic that you criticise him for claiming “you knew my history” and for making “stupid and completely ill informed comment” and for making personal attacks when that’s what you yourself indulge in at times.

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  94. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    Kimbo,

    A friendly heads up. Your starting to look seriously unhinged and obsessive regarding DG and your rhetoric is veering close to defamation, or at least getting you a whack of demerit points and a possible ban.

    Might be time to take a deep breath, step back, and move on.

    Just sayin….

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  95. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Might be time to take a deep breath, step back, and move on.

    Just sayin….

    A strange attitude for someone who seeks to maintain standards, ShawnLH. He’s a big boy, who is really good at picking on folks not in a position to defend themselves. Surprised you are prepared to let it go so easily…

    But thanks for the “friendly” part.

    Might just take your advice for a while. Am appalled an ex-MP of all people has no scruples about shitting on the little people

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  96. goldnkiwi (985 comments) says:

    WineOh (524 comments) says:

    July 11th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Speaking hypothetically, I can see a situation where a heterosexual woman being propositioned for sex by a male would be a matter of ‘same shit different day’, by a female, possibly sexual harassment if they were uncomfortable about it.

    A lesbian being sexually propositioned by a man could take on more sinister overtones due to possible existing anti-male sentiment. I posted yesterday regarding an opinion I formed regarding the alleged victim’s views on men.

    All very topical at the moment a la Cunliffe.

    I guess we will ever know if there had been previous contact between the alleged victim and the accused. Possible that it could be work related or just in casual passing in the suburb where she lived? and he worked and lived?

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  97. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,168 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    I think its a bit rich for you to point a boney finger at Kimbo, when just about every single comment you make towards me, has some level of personal abuse in it, regardless of whether you are agreeing with me or not. I’ve seen you do it to many others, and yet now, when someone else takes issue with you, you cry foul?

    I have no problem with you giving – some people just have to put others down, to feel good about themselves, but when you give, you have to ‘take’ as well, or else you look like a massive hypocrite.

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  98. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Actually “Kimbo” I am also pretty accomplished at taking on people who CAN defend themselves? Are you one of those? It’s a shitty cold day out here in the rural sector and I don’t have much on..

    Name your time and place and I will come and meet you in the flesh…Oh, and I am pushing 60 now, so any thoughts you might be in danger are misplaced…don’t worry, I will leave the “tools” at home…words are all I need for a gutsful anonymous weasel…

    Be a good chap and make it the Shore side of the bridge…its a bit of a drive even to there…

    Judith: Please do point out where I have accused you of being like a concentration camp guard, a paedophile, or a criminal sociopath, and a box of chocolate fish are yours (I’ll leave them in a secret location so you don’t have to reveal your address..)

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  99. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Actually “Kimbo” I am also pretty accomplished at taking on people who CAN defend themselves? Are you one of those? It’s a shitty cold day out here in the rural sector and I don’t have much on..

    You physically threatening me, David? Now, based on what has transpired between us ever made you consider I ever wanted a physical confrontation?

    David, take a breathe, stop being a cretin. and admit you were an arse, and you acted wrongfully against the lady in question.

    Real simple.

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  100. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    And there we have it again – calling someone out – just can’t help yourself

    I just can’t understand why we have so much violence in society – all our middle aged and older males are such good role models!

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  101. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Clarification, David: I said you looked like a concentration camp commander, a paedophile or an aged lesbian.

    You know, in the same way it is ok to ask of someone, “Is the Maori person (can’t tell the sex, but then that’s probably true of half the attendees) he is embracing disabled?”

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  102. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,169 comments) says:
    July 11th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    David, you are an ex MP, a father, and still a public figure. You are also a practicing lawyer. Any sort of name calling and pettiness should be well beyond you. Like it or not, you have a social responsibility to be a good role model. Sure you’re going to get crap over your history – its your weakness, and you bite so well. It doesn’t matter what names you use, they are still names. I would expect someone of your standing and status to turn the other cheek, instead you raise your fists – what’s that all about?

    Anyway, its not my argument – I’ve said my 5 cents worth.

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  103. All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:

    Simon Collins from the NZ Herald is pimping the poor again. Looking at these two articles it’s surprising he doesn’t state that one of the reasons people stay poor and struggle is because they have too many children.
    Why is that? Is he too politically correct to state it?
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11291345

    Look at this woman here. She’s reliant on food banks to feed her two kids, can’t get work, has fines to pay. And she’s expecting another child in November! It’s just bloody criminal. Why doesn’t Collins call this sort of irresponsible behaviour for what it is.
    Child abuse.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11291838

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  104. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    “Popcorn”
    nothing like a good old flame war on the interwebby to char up griff on a shit day.

    That and I just looked at a brand new 1967 mustang body

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  105. cricko (172 comments) says:

    Jeez, this Kimbo is one poor sad sick fuck.

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  106. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    all_on_red “Is he too politically correct to state it?”

    Yes he is.

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  107. edhunter (491 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10255350/Trans-Tasman-kayaker-Scott-Donaldson-quits

    Not being an old sea dog myself but admiring the courage and gumption of adventurers to do things that haven’t been done before I do have to ask why you would attempt this in the middle of bloody winter, is it a historically calmer time of the year to attempt such a challenge? Or was it more of a ‘hey look I’ve got nothing on my calendar in June/July I know lets row the Tasman.

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  108. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    but I really do think you should offer your services to the Police, since you seem to have an insight into the “mannerisms” of paedophiles..who knew they were so obvious? Just think, if the British Police had had you, Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris might have been stopped in their tracks years ago..

    An “aging lesbian”?? That one is too funny, particularly in the light of your taking great objection to my empirically based observation that PI women are often hirsute… Surely you cannot be suggesting that all middle aged lesbians look vaguely mannish?

    You have probably noticed my most unfashionable moustache…had it for 35 years …perhaps because I might look more like a concentration camp commandant without it? I know it is a bit Alice B Toklas, but then I have never seen myself as any great beauty..

    Oh, and you – despite being a supposed National voter – have repeatedly told us that the PI woman with the embarrassed smile is “one of the little people” in Labour. How do you know? Are you familiar with all the chairs of all their 100 odd LEC’s (assuming they use the same structure as when I was a supporter)? Or is it – as my friend Wahine opined – that you assume any PI person in Labour is “one of the little people”? Do tell…

    God you really are stupid…do tell where my offer to meet you face to face is a “threat”?? I just believe – as evidenced by my never using a pseud – that one should have the courage to stand behind one’s opinions, and if necessary defend them face to face. You on the other hand believe in skulking behind a pseud and making outrageous accusations..

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  109. RRM (9,420 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11291482

    Four more “good boys who have never done anything wrong”..

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  110. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Still not facing the issue, David?

    Let me repeat it for you (and your slowness to comprehend leads me to suspect it is YOU who are in some way disabled):

    You are a nasty little specimen who, when it suits, calls into question of the gender and disability status of innocent bystanders in your attempt to score cheap political points.

    one of the little people” in Labour. How do you know? Are you familiar with all the chairs of all their 100 odd LEC’s (assuming they use the same structure as when I was a supporter)? Or is it – as my friend Wahine opined – that you assume any PI person in Labour is “one of the little people”? Do tell…

    Still shifting the goal posts, I see and playing the shell game?

    You don’t know who she is…so you have no justifiable reason to take aim at her. All you know is that she was at a party political conference – doing waht hundreds of other Kiws of all political persuasions do – participate in the democratic process. For that she deserves respect – irrespective of her politics.

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  111. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    A good example of some P.I. scum on their way to become full-fledged criminals.

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  112. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    Best time to attempt a crossing the weather we are haveing is not usual.
    They use wind rose to estimate the best time to attempt these things
    http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.stats.govt.nz%2FNew_Zealand_Official_Yearbooks%2F1913%2FImages%2Ffig41_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.stats.govt.nz%2FNew_Zealand_Official_Yearbooks%2F1913%2FNZOYB_1913.html&h=1058&w=840&tbnid=J1Gm10qqf-y1wM%3A&zoom=1&docid=DTk-G9Cd1RA3rM&ei=okK_U-3RJsSMkAX354CoAQ&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&ved=0CFAQMyguMC4&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=546&page=3&start=40&ndsp=23

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  113. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    If there was even the faintest whiff of a threat in my challenge to meet me face to face, I would have thought the statement:
    “..words are all I need for a gutless anonymous weasel” should have removed any doubt that a physical confrontation I had in mind…I’m way too old for those now, and I suspect you are a man in your 20′s …

    Sonny, what exactly is, in your view “the issue” I am avoiding? The woman looked most uncomfortable, and I thought it might have been the handle of a wheel chair I could see…More likely she was just uncomfortable at being grabbed by Cunners for a photo op…much as Carmel Sepuloni very inappropriately barged in an got photos with all the PI dignitaries at the Princess Ashika commemoration.

    I have no idea whether she is PI or Maori, and it is now obvious that you don’t either. You’re a silly little man…

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  114. RRM (9,420 comments) says:

    You are a nasty little specimen who, when it suits, calls into question of the gender and disability status of innocent bystanders in your attempt to score cheap political points.

    Mr Garrett single handedly brought in the best law change we’ve seen in this country for years.

    YOU on the other hand are some anonymous troll on the internet.

    Nothing you’ve said so far on this thread gives me any reason to think you’re worth listening to. Or any reason to think your allegations (like your ideas) are anything more than steaming turds.

    STFU & GTFO :-)

    (The Mo is magnificent by the way DG, never give it up!)

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  115. All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:

    Griff
    What do you think about the 72 (?) Boss 302? I’m being urged to buy one of those and not a Fastback.

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  116. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    @griff: Sure, mate. Now have another (double) joint on us.

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  117. Elaycee (4,286 comments) says:

    @RRM (1.51pm): Well said, Sir. :lol:

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  118. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    The people I just visited are bringing in a shipment of brand new repro 1969 gt500 body’s in right hand drive. price around $20.000
    if you built up one you would attain deity status.
    disclaimer I am a Detroit diesel chevy man from way back

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  119. Don the Kiwi (1,580 comments) says:

    AoR

    My opinion for what its worth, I like the ’72 Stanger – but I prefer the fastback – not the notchie.

    I have always liked the ’66 fastback, as used in the movie Bullet with Steve McQueen. But my 2nd choice would be a ’70 – like the PDL mustang that Jimmy Richards raced back in the early ’70′s – the ex Alan Moffat machine; Moffat had purchased a new one, and Jimmy shat all over him with Moffat’s old one in the series here in NZ – pretty equal in Oz though.

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  120. seanmaitland (454 comments) says:

    I just had a cold call, where an Indian person rang and said I have been chosen along with some other New Zealanders to receive $6,000 in free grant money from the Government, on behalf of John Key – because I have never been bankrupt and have paid taxes for at least ten years.

    I asked for his number and that I would give him a call back, and he gave me a Wellington number.

    Anyone else had this happen to them? Quite clearly a scam – not sure what their angle is though, as I said I’d call him back and just unplugged the phone so he would stop harrassing me.

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  121. Don the Kiwi (1,580 comments) says:

    seanmaitland.

    I had a similar call last week. Picked it for a scam straight up, but played along. When he asked me for my bank account no. I asked him, did he have my address to which he answered yes, so i told him to post me a cheque. He claimed they don’t do that because of the poor mail service. I told him that’s how everyone else sends me stuff and hung up on the prick.

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  122. All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:

    Thanks Griff, I do admire a good repro . The GT500 is a beast! I’ve seen some great looking GT350′s too but I’d prefer to own something original. Not hung up on Ford or Chev and I like the look of the Camaro as well.
    Don, agree, I don’t like the Notchback and have been hankering after an original 65/66 Fastback but with some modern improvements. ( brakes , suspension etc) . I also have some nostalgic leanings towards a Ford XA coupe but I never see any for sale. I guess I’m holding back on the Fastback as there are a lot of them around but then again that makes them not so pricy…

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  123. Don the Kiwi (1,580 comments) says:

    AoR.

    My son gets onto an American website where they have litterally hundreds of Fords, Chevys – you name it – all muscle cars and fully checked out and restored where necessary – some with updated steering, suspension – original enginesbut some with updated fuel systems for economy. He’s looking at a ’66 fastback for $40k US. His wife has an uncle in Canada who has offered to get it for him, hold it for 12 months and bring it out as his own to avoid any duty and GST. Daman has just built a holiday home for him and they’ll do a contra deal. He thinks he can land it here for around $50k NZ

    If I can get hold of the site, I’ll let you know the next time we’re talking cars. :-).

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  124. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Slingshot now accepting Bitcoin

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60142370/slingshot-now-accepting-bitcoins

    Wow. This is great. And the Reserve Bank and govt trrying to enslave us cannot do anything about this.

    And most of all, no one can call Bitcoin a conspiracy theory any more

    Very, very real……Stephie boy

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  125. All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:

    Thanks Don

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  126. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    for those of you talking muscle cars…..all coupes are crap.

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  127. seanmaitland (454 comments) says:

    Thanks Don, have to say they are getting more savvy – his English was very good, and he was confident and they had an NZ based number.

    I can’t imagine many people would fall for this, as the government wouldn’t ever hand out free money – unless the Greens and Labour are in of course :)

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  128. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    sean: It is quite amazing the lengths scamsters will go…I had an approach (to my Tongan law firm) supposedly from a Japanese woman who was chasingUSD600,000 odd as a settlement with her ex who supposedly lived in Tonga…long story short, the husband eventually sent what appeared to be a bank draft drawn on Westpac Australia for USD300,000…the document looked very genuine; holograph on the back and all…I banked it…the “client” kept pressing me to send her the money; I kept saying I was waiting for it to clear…Turned out the draft was a forgery…

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  129. Igotta Numbum (420 comments) says:

    This has to be the best Kickstarter ever….

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad

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  130. goldnkiwi (985 comments) says:

    This current alleged Wellington sexual assault is a great example of what you men have to look forward to if Labour’s policy gets in to law imo.

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  131. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett

    Sonny, what exactly is, in your view “the issue” I am avoiding?

    It is rude and abusive to question the gender and disability status of an anonymous member of the public when trying to make a point about political views – “…Is the person (can’t tell the sex, but then that’s probably true of half the attendees)…disabled?…” with which you disagree. If you were unsure of her gender, good manners and taste would dictate, just as it would if you were there in person, that you would not question it and you would keep your thoughts to yourself.

    A simple test, David: Would you ask it to her face?

    Nevertheless, David, as a sign of good faith, I’ll accept on face value your explanation you thought she may have been in a wheel chair.

    I’ll also accept in good faith that it was not your intent to make a physical threat.

    As I trust you and others will accept in good faith this is nothing to do with your politics. As I’ve posted before I am grateful for the good legislation you initiated in the 3S law.

    I’ll also acknowledge my initial ham-fisted post confused the real reason for my objection by mentioning the issue of whether she was Maori or PI (it was not germane to the point I was making).

    Trust that clarifies…

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  132. Other_Andy (2,262 comments) says:

    Was watching TV1 ‘news’ last night were a lot of time was spend on telling us how bad is was in Gaza and how many ‘civilians’ and even women and children (Always mention women and especially children) were killed in Gaza.

    These strikes are reprisals for the rocket attacks deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and a nuclear power plant (Yes they are loonies). Usually the Israeli Defence Force is pretty accurate when targeting Hamas leaders and rocket size.

    Now I know that in the past Hamas was able to claim civilian deaths by:

    1. Killing political enemies and dumping them at bomb sites.
    2. Removing uniforms from military and paramilitary deaths.
    3. Blaming Israelis for deaths caused by their own rockets misfiring.

    To reduce civilian deaths (Israel as opposed to Hamas doesn’t deliberately target civilians) the IDF usually warns people that their property is being targeted and tells them to leave

    Now here is what CNN found out:
    They say there are reports of the spokesman of Hamas – they actually have the video of him – going on Palestinian television urging people to serve as human shields, staying in their homes, even if the IDF is warning people in those homes – because they’re Hamas officials’ homes – that they’re going to be destroyed, they’re telling them to stay there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s

    Not surprised at all.

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  133. Megatron (187 comments) says:

    http://nzh.tw/11291838
    Good for her doing her best to make ends meet, but is having another baby really the smartest decision?

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  134. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    “I said you looked like a concentration camp commander, a paedophile or an aged lesbian.”

    Do all concentration camp commanders, pedophiles, and aged lesbians look the same?

    That’s a remarkably silly statement.

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  135. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Do all concentration camp commanders, pedophiles, and aged lesbians look the same?

    Was thinking of someone like Donald Pleasence.

    If Hollywood ever needed a sterotype to fill all three roles, we could have done the job.

    Even his version of Blofeld was kinda androgynous compared to, say, Telly Savalas

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Donald+Pleasence+photos&client=firefox-a&hs=KsU&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&imgil=FEqUdxPry-hZPM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQ_udhLY_lXNRr8XwULtJeMqfWZF-96qvfmaZbdiIEEIk1wD_6t%253B223%253B268%253BouQZ5yZLLUKxCM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nndb.com%25252Fpeople%25252F611%25252F000032515%25252F&source=iu&usg=__NHlr8Pdo1mLXqV3QrFWffJkKmsI%3D&sa=X&ei=4HG_U8WZK8nOkwWtkoGwBw&ved=0CC0Q9QEwBw&biw=1280&bih=639#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=XgG3D7eBUXYO-M%253A%3Bbt59RF-gfHMxSM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F-wYWdYBtp0M0%252FUGKikooBwSI%252FAAAAAAAAHe0%252FeLOISbtcgGo%252Fs1600%252F158.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fhorrorunlimited.blogspot.com%252F2012%252F09%252Fnew-book-donald-pleasence-actor-and.html%3B300%3B350

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  136. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    But any more stupid than, “can’t tell the sex, but then that’s probably true of half the attendees”?

    Am surprised a clever guy like you can’t see the problem, especially when one person was singled out to supposedly illustrate the stereotype.

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  137. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    other andy

    The IDF have footage of civilians running around at targets so the Israelis can’t /won’t fire.These people are unlikely to be willing volunteers and but if they are volunteers ,then they are not innocent victims as portrayed by our shallow anti Israel media. We are told very little of how the Hamas loons run Gaza( deliberatly),but I’ve no doubt it is a reign of the usual Islamic extremism.

    Why don’t the worlds’ MSM run front page stories on the human shield war crime?

    Since the oil shocks /embargoes of the 70′s the Saudis (and no doubt the other Gulf States ) have used their massive funds to undermine Israel and arm the comatant Arab states and here I’m guessing…..they will be behind the scenes pulling strings with our media ,govts ,all sorts to demonize those darned Joos.

    On a news broadcast recently the point was made that Tel Aviv residents could go to bomb shelters but the Gazans have none. Whose fault is that? They can build smuggling tunnels,but not shelters.

    Typical Muslims,it’s always someone elses fault. Egypt is a shithole due (among other things)to it’s massive military spending ,well duh,priorities!

    http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/08/hamas-uses-human-shields/

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  138. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    Kimbo, you come across as an unhinged hypocrite in this, and other recent threads.

    Even after 60 demerits in one thread, you’re still at it. Hopefully DPF finishes the job soon.

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  139. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    I wasn’t the one who raised the matter again and it was meant as a tongue in cheek comment after the olive branch I extended at July 11th, 2014 at 4:05 pm.

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  140. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    You kicked it all off at 9:20am and just keep at it, including defaming someone.

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  141. lurcher1948 (46 comments) says:

    You really are one sad unhappy piece of shit igm,, do you have a life or are you dying and crying, so many leeches in your pathetic life,ragheads attempting rape on NZ females good,if YOU think they are left or gay ,sad piece of wanganui shit, date a sheep enjoy the dags.
    some one has to pull you up.

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  142. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    I don’t agree it is defamation – and my post at July 11th, 2014 at 4:05 pm clarifies the issue. I’ve also gone out of my way to state that I have no reason to believe the person is what I described him as looking like.

    My comment “raising the matter again” referred to the description I made earlier that ShawnLH repeated at July 11th, 2014 at 5:05 pm.

    But fair enough.

    Just out of interest in case I’ve got this completely wrong, would you ever speculate about the gender of a complete stranger to their face, when you had no valid reason for knowing or asking? If not, why do it away from their face in a public forum like Kiwiblog?

    Seems the allocating of demerit points are a bit selective…

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  143. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    And there you go again.

    I don’t know if I would make such a comment, probably not, but I know for sure I wouldn’t defame someone by saying they look like a pedophile. Unless I had a serious head injury and lost most of my brain cells.

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  144. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    ….”Seems the allocating of demerit points are a bit selective…”….

    They can be luck of the draw Kimbo as DPF doesn’t monitor all threads & will only act on a complaint if he’s on line to do so. There’s three things that pretty much guarantee demerits.

    1) Attacking or insulting our host.

    2) Posting something libellous or defamatory.

    3) Completely losing the plot.

    You stuffed up on No.3 & came close on No.2……you make some good comments some days.

    Today has not been one of them.

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  145. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Thanks, you may well be right. And I’m not quibbling that I didn’t deserve a yellow card.

    Just makes me mad as hell what he wrote.

    Nevertheless, as I posted, the olive branch was extended in good faith in the form of an answer to his question. Let’s see what response, if any it receives…

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  146. Zapper (925 comments) says:

    You might need a new olive branch kimbo, the other one might be considered void since you went back on the attack after offering it.

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  147. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    Watch out if our host has a hangover. :lol:
    It can be a little random but I have had two bans and are not disputing the justice of ether of them.
    The demerit system and dpfs moderation are very light compared to any other political blog
    For instance try going to true blue nz the home of a certain freedom loving retard conservative and even debating.

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  148. Northland Wahine (647 comments) says:

    Kimbo, did you give any thought of how David Garrett felt regarding your remark about him not associating with PIs given the mother of is children is Tongan? That his children, therefore would be also? You may or may not have known that but I saw no apology forthcoming for you that night.

    Anyway, David doesn’t need me defending him.

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  149. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    …..”the home of a certain freedom loving retard conservative”……

    I would Griff but my anti virus & anti malware are not up to it. :)

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  150. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Obviously a conspiracy to undermine Fletch’s talking points.
    //

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-no-stand-down-order-benghazi

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  151. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    You might need a new olive branch kimbo, the other one might be considered void since you went back on the attack after offering it.

    Was not my intent – which is why I deliberately steered the comparison (which was also deliberately ridiculous in the first place!) onto someone completely different.

    I mean, come on! Everyone’s stereotypical screen villain has to be Donald Pleasance!

    Or would Alan Rickman without the goatee have been better?

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  152. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    @ Northland Wahine

    Kimbo, did you give any thought of how David Garrett felt regarding your remark about him not associating with PIs given the mother of is children is Tongan? That his children, therefore would be also? You may or may not have known that but I saw no apology forthcoming for you that night.

    No I confess I did not.

    As I posted earlier my first post when the matter first arose was ham-fisted, and the matter of her ethnicity was not really my concern. Instead, I gave it as a throw-away line that it would be stereotypical of a former ACT MP that he had little to do with PIs, just as it was supposedly stereotypical that you couldn’t identify the gender of half those at a Labour Party conference…as illustrated by this person – identity unknown – photographed with David Cunliffe.

    Nevertheless. thank you for bringing the matter to my attention.

    Davd Garrett I apologise unreservedly if what Northland Wahine has suggested has transpired.

    I also apologise unreservedly for the statements I made earlier regarding your appearance.

    However, the issue I first raised and have since clarified as requested still remains outstanding IMHO

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  153. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    “For instance try going to true blue nz the home of a certain freedom loving retard conservative and even debating.”

    Why am I not surprised. Red, our resident Right wing Stalinist, does not seem the sort to tolerate different points of view to his own.

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  154. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    Ok now I have the image of Donald Pleasence playing an aged lesbian stuck in my head.

    This is very disturbing.

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  155. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    I wish kiwiblog would go back to the old days. I feel ill reading the shit above me. These newbies are strange wackos. Half these wimpish new crew types spend their whole lives backstabbing redbaiter. What empty losers with nothing better to do. Sad stuff.

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  156. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    You wouldn’t like to take one for the team & go check up whether anyone still visits there Shawn? :)

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  157. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Someone with this website: -

    http://dad4justice.blogspot.co.nz/

    “Family Court – the Real Weapon of Mass Destruction”

    is implying I’M a strange wacko?!

    Or have I just committed the the cyber faux pas of the online equivalent of making eye-contact?!

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  158. SGA (800 comments) says:

    nasska at 6:18 pm

    You wouldn’t like to take one for the team & go check up whether anyone still visits there Shawn?

    Do you really hate Shawn that much? You’re not a nice person, nasska.

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  159. Kimbo (667 comments) says:

    Ok now I have the image of Donald Pleasence playing an aged lesbian stuck in my head.

    This is very disturbing.

    “You Only Live Twice” will now have to be permanently expunged from your James Bond DVD collection.

    Pity – it was quite a good one. Exotic locations, great villains lair with the hollow volcano (although Mike Myers hammed that up in his movies). And ok if you liked Asian Bond girls…

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  160. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    “online equivalent of making eye-contact?!”

    Can snakes look a person in the eye?

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  161. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    “You wouldn’t like to take one for the team & go check up whether anyone still visits there Shawn?”

    Why the hell not. Might be worth a laugh. :)

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  162. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    Pretty much kimbo. big bruv engaged in debate with dofourjerks one day and he has had a pet loony stalker ever since.

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  163. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    He seems to be averaging between 1 -20 comments a post, so he’s getting a little traffic, though most of it seems to be the true believer type. The one poster I saw disagreeing with him was called a moron by Red. Standard Reddy tactics.

    Man, he’s really got Key derangement syndrome in a bad way!

    Oh, and apparently Obama is a gay Muslim.

    Ugh. Embarrassing.

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  164. RRM (9,420 comments) says:

    Hey, that site is the spearhead of a highly effective 20-year plan to wage war on the left. Don’t knock it. If you run, you’ll die tired.

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  165. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    I can imagine Shawn. Off memory you’d have the Gant Guy, KG, Mawm & a few other regular suckholes sitting in a circle while Baity felates each of them after their individual sycophantic comments.

    I’ll call into his site one day I’m in town, when I’m at the library…..it will be safe that way. :)

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  166. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    New Zealand a country fit for criminals.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/308973/hired-thug-agreed-bash-target

    No prison time for a hardened professional criminal.

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  167. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    “Off memory you’d have the Gant Guy, KG, Mawm”

    Yup, those were the regulars I noticed.

    The sad thing is every now and then he makes a valid point, but he makes it in such a way that it almost seems calculated to turn people off, or wonder about his sanity.

    I think his twenty year plan has some problems. One in particular. Red himself.

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  168. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    Only key derangement ? sycophantic seems to be the overriding thread last time I read the comments at the sewer
    I am beginning to detect a strange yet somehow familiar pattern in the karma on kb.
    A certain posters up ticks speed and consistency.

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  169. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Griff

    Indeed I did. From memory it was a fairly simple (and unloaded) question about estranged fathers not paying child maintenance.

    I had no idea that would set him off like a firecracker, nor did I know that I had inadvertently hit a raw nerve.

    And for that little mistake I get a stalker for life.

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  170. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    If you guys really want to see a moonbat site then take a gander at Crusader Rabbit. Those morons almost make bedwetter seem normal.

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  171. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    RB used to frequent Crusader Rabbit before he set up his own blog. As did his regulars, KG, Gantt etc. Doesn’t KG run it?

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  172. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    “And for that little mistake I get a stalker for life.”

    Continue with slanderous untrue accusations and you will be on the receiving end of a court judgement. Your malicious lies on a public blog make it so easy. You should make sure you get your facts correct before you spew your crap. I was on kiwiblog before you were creep. I think I should make an example of you and show all bloggers it always pays to speak the truth.

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  173. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    If I was of a mind to be into conspiracy theories, I would seriously wonder if Red is actually a Left wing plant, deliberately created to give the Right a bad name.

    That would explain a lot.

    It’s either that or he’s just not right in the head. Anyone that angry has issues that have nothing to do with politics.

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  174. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    I have visited Bedwetter site, I thought that might be where I would find the evidence to support the “many victories” he claims to have enjoyed in his ten year plus was against the left.

    I scrolled through as much as I could before I began to fear that my dinner would make an unwelcome return. Sadly there was no evidence, not even a hint.

    I guess we will just have to go on asking.

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  175. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    ” I was on kiwiblog before you were creep.”

    Now here I must appeal to my fellow Kiwibloggers, did I say that I was on here before D4J?

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  176. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    You want to make an example of me D4J?

    Go ahead, I would quite enjoy that. I still have the emails you sent me.

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  177. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    I blame the internet PG. Up until the social media was created nuts like those on True Blue & CR were isolated & relatively harmless.

    Now they’re dribbling over their laptops commenting about slaughtering Liberals & Progs while certifiably mad & armed to the teeth.

    Be very afraid! :)

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  178. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    “Now here I must appeal to my fellow Kiwibloggers, did I say that I was on here before D4J?”

    No.

    I’m trying to figure out why it should matter one way or another. Does D4J think there is a pecking order based on longevity?

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  179. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    I do wonder if Bedwetter (and D4J for that matter) have those plastic covers that go over their keyboards?

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  180. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    “Go ahead, I would quite enjoy that. I still have the emails you sent me.”

    Feel free to post them disturbed hater. Go on post them now or are you telling lies again.

    What is your U.B.F bigot blouse? Who or what is pressing your buttons? My lawyer awaits your answer.

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  181. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    “I’m trying to figure out why it should matter one way or another. Does D4J think there is a pecking order based on longevity?”

    And if there is, does one lose that seniority if they disappear for “no reason” for two years.?

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  182. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    Have to give Redbaiter credit, he’s been consistently self parodying for as long as I’ve seen him on line. He’s either a brilliant spoof with amazing survival skills (most spoofs run out of steam quite quickly) or he’s been stuck in the same rut of frustration for decades.

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  183. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    D4J

    “Feel free to post them disturbed hater. Go on post them now or are you telling lies again”

    Which one D4J?, the ones where you threaten extreme violence?, or perhaps the ones where you seem desperate to go out with me?

    Which ones would you like me to post?

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  184. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    All of them you psychotic liar. Kiwiblog this bb c##t is a lying piece of nasty crap.

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  185. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    You tell them Dad! :)

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  186. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    D4J

    Nah, I think I will make you sweat. You will be pleased to know that there at least two other contributors to this site who have seen those emails. When you started sending the ones threatening violence I did forward them to people whose opinion I value and respect, they were both sure that the emails were actionable.

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  187. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    Leave it D4J, he is just goading you so that you burst and he claims victory.
    Digress

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  188. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    Put the emails on display bigot blouse or shut up. Go on liar , go on liar. Yeah right you cowardly pus stain.

    What is you U.B.F. ?

    Steve I am going to take this lying prick to court. I will win, as he is a lying mongrel scum of the earth type. I have had enough from the sleazy creep. I get VICTORY in court because the TRUTH always wins.

    I hope you got money bigot blouse? haha bad luck boyo.

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  189. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Anyway D4J, while I have your undivided attention. Can you enlighten us as to what really happened at LAX?

    And, if you really are in the mood I would be most grateful if you could name those corrupt judges and the crimes you know for sure they committed.

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  190. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    BB

    Last time D4J went into tailspin DPF reported that he’s had about a dozen abusive aftermath emails.

    You probably got off lightly. :)

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  191. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    BASTARD!!!!

    My 13,000 comment, and I wasted it on D4J.

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  192. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    someone is giving you downticks D4J, must be the same wimp that does it to Johnboy

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  193. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    What is a U.B.F?

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  194. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    nasska

    Indeed he did, I seem to remember DPF suggesting that he was going to post them the next day. What a pity he did not go through with that.

    All in all though, those magic 28 minutes remain one of my favourite Kiwiblog experiences.

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  195. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    D4J

    Tell you what, lets cut a deal. You stop telling lies about me and I will stop telling the truth about you?

    What do you reckon?

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  196. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    I see you in Court big blouse. My lawyer who reads this blog has said I have more than enough to win the case. Oh forgot to add that Nigel L and Amanda M are also watching for a documentary that will screen in the future. This is going to be so much fun. Haha hook line and sinker eh David.

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  197. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Yes D4J, of course you will.

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  198. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Hey D4J.

    Before you do go though, can you please tell is what happened at LAX, and, give us the names of the corrupt judges and the crimes they committed.?

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  199. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    What is your U.B.F? big blouse.

    Anybody who doesn’t know what psychopathic hatred is just look how the bb rat reacts when cornered.

    Goodnight I am out to dinner with my lady. We both pray for you. I hope you are locked up in a safe place.

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  200. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Dinner for two on paper plates with plastic cutlery followed by a soothing cocktail of anti -psychotic drugs then off for a bit of nooky in a rubber room built for two.

    You’re a jammy bugger Dad. :)

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  201. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Not going to tell us about LAX before you go D4J?

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  202. goldnkiwi (985 comments) says:

    Wow, the truth always wins, what a relief!!!!!

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  203. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    So anyway, what the fuck is a U.B.F?

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  204. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    A Fundamentalist Minister in Alabama, sorely tempted, finally
    propositioned the Choir director one night after practice, when
    they were alone in the Church.

    “Where Reverend?” she enthusiastically replied.

    “Right here on the floor.” he panted.

    “It’d be too cold.” she whispered. “How about standing up?”

    “Good Lord girl. Have you taken leave of you senses?” he
    shouted. “If anyone came in, they’d think we were dancing.”

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  205. stigie (888 comments) says:

    Yes, what the fuck is U.B.F ?

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  206. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    Looks like Trade me has kicked Wheedles arse into touch..

    “Online auction site to close
    CHRISTCHURCH: Online auction site Wheedle, the only significant competitor to Trade Me in New Zealand, is to close after its sole funder Neil Graham decided against further investment in the company.”

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  207. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Utterly Broken Fuckwit?

    Undoubtedly Beyond Fixing?

    Universally Believed Faulty?

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  208. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    U Big Felcher ?

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  209. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Had me stonkered too stigie & when in doubt I usually consult the “Urban Dictionary”. I found a few possibilities:

    1) An acronym for Ugly best friend. A friend kept around to make yourself look better by comparison.

    2) The union of british fascists (UBF) is a political party often unfairly compared to the BNP.

    3) Unwiped Butt Feeling. One usually gets this feeling after recently defecating. It is an irritating burn / itch around the anus and can also spread to the surrounding cheeks. Anal leakage and poor wiping are the main causes.

    Hope that helps. :)

    Ref: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=UBF

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  210. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Unpaid Bothering fines?

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  211. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    “A friend kept around to make yourself look better by comparison.”

    Well, I would not exactly class D4J as a friend.

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  212. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Safely drop that one for touch BB. :)

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  213. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    3) And I thought that was my piles nasska! :)

    Have you considered a career in the medical profession my boy? :)

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  214. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    So D4J has taken his Mrs out for a meal. I had no idea that Denny’s was still open in Christchurch.

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  215. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Well, I got quite used to sewing up baring ewes JB & I’ve done a bit of surgery on the dog tuckers. My diagnostic skills are beyond reproach as I can tell something’s rooted just by looking at it.

    I’m a bit long in the tooth for the farming racket anyway…..sign me up as a locum. :)

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  216. stigie (888 comments) says:

    “Had me stonkered too stigie & when in doubt I usually consult the “Urban Dictionary”. I found a few possibilities:”

    I should have consulted JB Nasska…he had it covered !~

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  217. stigie (888 comments) says:

    Fuck me , i thought that minus cunt went on holiday with the school kids !!~

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  218. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    I thought he was going out for tea stigie. :)

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  219. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Do you think in your new capacity as a medical specialist you could sort out my itch with your dagging irons nasska?

    If so should I consider anaesthetic? Would Gin be OK or should I go for something stronger like Absinthe? :)

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  220. stigie (888 comments) says:

    Well, is that who minus is Nasska….Blow me away with a feather duster !~

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  221. stigie (888 comments) says:

    Consider Gordons JB ?

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  222. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Don’t worry about anaesthetic…..you’ll be in the crush & your arse kicked into the holding paddock inside a minute.

    I won’t feel a thing. :)

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  223. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Spot the difference.

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  224. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Cha

    Actually there are plenty of differences.

    1. One of those young ladies is prepared to blow herself up and take as many innocent people with her as possible, the other is not.
    2. One of those young ladies can choose to leave her religion if she so desires without penalty. The other leaves her faith on pain of death.
    3. One of those young ladies has the law to save her from the rubbish written in the stupid book she is holding, the other does not.
    4. One of those young ladies lives in a society where they can change the government if they don’t like it, the other does not.
    5. One of those young ladies lives in a society where she is seen as being an equal with her brothers or husband, the other does not.

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  225. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    “Spot the difference”

    The girl on the right is hot. That’s one. And she is unlikely to be blowing herself up in a mall or flying any aircraft into skyscrapers.

    That’s three. :)

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  226. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    Actually I can think of a fourth difference, but that one would start a flame war so best to leave it for now… ;)

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  227. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    It occurs to me that if there is going to be a trial of sorts we could be sure of finding a couple of “lawyers” on kb and sell tickets to the hearing. Maybe cricko and penny can appear for d4j and johnboy, with FES as his junior can appear for bb. I would think that johnboy could front up with a jury of 12 romneys. We could film it. “Meltdown at the KB coral”

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  228. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    The girl on the left has battle experience. She’s taped two mags end for end! :)

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  229. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Allow me…..

    Might it be that one of those young ladies is going to heaven and the other is not?

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  230. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    Nope bb!

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  231. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Where can I get 12 jurors like Mitt Nookin! :)

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  232. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Nookin.

    I “aint” heading into any courtroom unless I have three hired guns with me. I will take Johnboy as lead counsel, and, of course one would be mad not to use the services of FES. However the ace up my sleeve will be Kiwiblogs very own Denny Crane, I demand that Mr David Garrett is with me as well. :)

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  233. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    I doubt D4J is really going to take it that far. That said, I still don’t know what got him all upset.

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  234. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Then what is it?, short of religion I cannot imagine anything that is going to cause a flame war at this time of night.

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  235. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I’m happy to arm myself and all the rest of your wise counsel bb! :)

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  236. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    One is holding a book of fiction, the other isn’t.

    No, I have no intentions of defending that position. WAY too long a day for a religious debate.

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  237. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Of course given that D4J has kicked all this off I will expect nothing less than the high court. I think I might hire Dime as my jury consultant, or perhaps to control media and publicity.

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  238. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    There’s a sale on at Hunting and Fishing at the moment. My legal fees would be lower if we take advantage of it! :)

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  239. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Fees????

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  240. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Sell your story in advance to television bb. That should cover the fees and you’ll never be found guilty as all the jurors will be compromised.

    Specially if they’re all Mitt Romneys! :)

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  241. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    If you are going in with three top guns, dad may have to draft in judith, bb.

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  242. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    He might prefer Davina. She could comfort him in prison! :)

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  243. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    All business transactions will be the domain of Dime. It is all a bit much for a humble cab driver.

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  244. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Nookin.

    That is the brilliance of my idea to have our own Denny Crane at the table. All Penny, Judith and co would have to do is take one look at DG and that would send them into meltdown mode.

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  245. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I hope you haven’t been transporting dime to some of his local cathouse’s bb….may compromise your defence! :)

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  246. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Not me Johnboy. Mind you, what happens in the cab stays in the cab.

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  247. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    BB & Johnboy. How long is this going to last. I am getting a sore finger from giving you guys up ticks.

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  248. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    You’re not worried that judith might show denny a bit of thigh and have him melt at the knees?

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  249. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    While you still have a stiff finger perhaps you could assist with my piles RF?

    Doctor nasska still hasn’t turned up! :)

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  250. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Johnboy. Always willing.. Middle finger on standby. I trust the runway is clear as I don’t like surprises. I might be able to squeeze a few drops out of the KY tube. Have you tried the KY thats warm. Red packet.

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  251. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Nookin

    Nope, she will be totally flustered as soon as she sees DG.

    Anyway, if it all turns to shit I can rely on FES.

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  252. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Judith will most likely whisk DG away in her hot red V8 for a couple of quick laps around the world. By the time he gets back on the case he’ll be reduced to a gibbering idiot! :)

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  253. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    We need a calm level headed judge. Who is that wanker with 4 digits at the end of his name and who speaks in UPPERCASE?

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  254. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Johnboy. I understand the current price for round the world is $120.00. You have to wear a condom. How is the old prostate.. I can give it a quick squeeze for an extra bottle of scotch whilst I am up there.

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  255. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Nookin

    I had not thought about the judge, no doubt old PG will put himself forward. Come to think of it, there is only one man for the job, that man is MT Tinman.

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  256. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    That’s what’s been lacking around here lately…..people who are not afraid to show their CV & price sheet.

    You’ll do well RF. :)

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  257. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I’ve never ridden a bike or had a vasectomy RF so it should be OK. I’ll drink the extra bottle myself I think! :)

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  258. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    I guess thats the team then, tho I suspect that dad may want baiter in his corner somewhere. Dad thinks baiter is his prodigy (he having been here first). Secretly, I think baiter believes dad is mad but just laps up the adulation. What time does Dennys close?

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  259. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    nasska. Any old port in a storm sir. Satisfaction depends on what’s offered. Cash or eftpos. I also charge for watchers.. Disappointed that Johnboy does not want to avail himself of my services. The KY is drying on my finger.

    Ah well must not waste it.. Off to track down the good lady. Nite nite.

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  260. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Not settled yet Nookin. Lets go for Judge Cunningham and everybody will get off with a warning! :)

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  261. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    We will adjourn, Johnboy. Dad has been quite titillated this week and rather does give the impression that he is well into his foreplay. He may really go off if the crusaders get dicked tomorrow.

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  262. Fisiani (943 comments) says:

    NZ chance of being elected to UN Security Council has shot up today on ipredict from 15% to 98%.

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  263. cricko (172 comments) says:

    Nookin
    Dennys never close. Don’t you know any fricken thing ?

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  264. Gulag1917 (638 comments) says:

    72% APPROVAL (AMONG MUSLIMS)
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/poll-obama-approval-muslims-highest-108797.html

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  265. Southern Raider (1,534 comments) says:

    Another Saturday morning, another 2 headline articles in NZ Herald about David Cunliffe and his journey to becoming a PM.

    What a crock. Glad I don’t pay for it

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