Goff tried to suppress the fact he was briefed

August 22nd, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

He said Dr Tucker told him about Slater’s request for the documents on July 26, the day he received it.

Mr Goff said Dr Tucker said he intended to release that day, “and I hit the roof”.

He had told Dr Tucker it was “unbelievable that you would contemplate doing anything like that – that draws you right into the political arena”.

He said Dr Tucker then agreed to delay the release for a week.

Now think about this.

told the media and the public he had not been briefed on a security issue.

He had been.

The told him that they planned to release the briefing note, after redactions, as it had been requested under the Official Information Act, and there were no legal grounds to refuse it.

Goff hit the roof and heavied the SIS into delaying the release. He thinks that documents showing he was briefed when he claimed not to have been, should not be released to protect him.

And Labour are trying to claim some sort of moral high ground!!

 

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57 Responses to “Goff tried to suppress the fact he was briefed”

  1. Lindsay Addie (1,589 comments) says:

    How can Phil Goff be the villain? Its all Big Bad John Key’s fault! ;)

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  2. polemic (460 comments) says:

    OK so………

    Who is involved in “Dirty Politics”???

    I thought Labour didn’t do that sort of stuff

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  3. Nookin (3,462 comments) says:

    Read this (Here is an extract from an article by one Nicky Hager (http://www.nickyhager.info/where-are-you-ethically-a-speech-to-the-to-the-records-management-association-of-australasia-conference-10-september-2007/)

    “Although my right, under our freedom of information laws, to the thirty-year-old documents was clear, there are all sorts of tricks that agencies can play to thwart a requester. The first tactic was delays. It should take 20 owrking days, but it took about a year of effort and negotiation with the agences concerned to get agreement that they would release the documents. Then, just when I thought I was about to receive them, the officials referred my requests to the relevant Minister for ‘consultation’. This was the beginning of more months of delay, during which some faceless Ministerial adviser appears to have decided that this old history might not be a good news story for the government. As a result, they used one of the tricks of the trade of this new breed of information controllers.

    After waiting over a year and expending lots of time to get the East Timor information, the Minister (Phil Goff) finally sent the pile of documents to me in the post on a Friday afternoon. But at the same time it was posted to me, and a few days before I would receive it, the same bundle of documents was delivered without explanation to every media organisation in the parliamentary press gallery. You can see the point of the trick. With no background or understanding of the issue, and Friday night drinks approaching, the journalists leafed through the released papers and whipped off quick and immemorable stories. But by the time the envelope arrived in my letterbox there was little prospect of me being able to use the same information for a more substantial story.”

    Who was a spiteful, petty-minded Minster, then?

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  4. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    Well I’m #POSITIVE Phil Goff is a #LIAR.

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  6. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    And Goff emphatically denied he or his office had been involved in any sort of dirty politics or leaking, which is blatant lying.

    Goff blatantly lies about ‘dirty politics’

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  7. thePeoplesFlag (256 comments) says:

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  8. m@tt (631 comments) says:

    You are 100% correct. Key and Goff are both proven liars, they both should resign.

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  9. Sarkozygroupie (208 comments) says:

    Goff is nothing but a first class prick and a prize wanker to boot.

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  10. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    I note that Silent T has been good to his word, held his team to a higher standard, and sacked Goff.

    tumbleweed…..

    So, um, Flag boy, wouldnt you agree?

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  11. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    And PS, I think Key should sack Judith Collins. I like her, I like her approach, but I think she should be sacked. Can you say the same Flag, or are you just blinded by your fanaticism?

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  12. Nookin (3,462 comments) says:

    thePeoplesFlag

    You have just put your foot in it, big time have you not? The subject at hand is “dirty politics”. That is what this thread is about. That is what other threads are about. Are you saying that the conduct of anybody other than the National Party cannot, by definition, be “dirty politics” and that any reference to the behaviour and conduct of anybody other than the National party is a diversion?
    You say that it is “weak”. Analyse what happened if you will
    1. On the one hand, we have an allegation that the Prime Minister may have known about the intention of the director of SIS to release information following an Official Information Act request. There is no evidence that the Prime Minister encouraged or in any way influenced the decision to make the request or to comply with it. The request would have disclosed that the leader of the opposition and would be Prime Minister had been lying.
    2. On the other hand (and I am referring solely to the post that I made containing the quote from Nicky Hager) a Minister of the Crown deliberately obstructed an official information request and, when faced with the inevitability of having to make that request, deliberately and vengefully spiked the story.

    Now you tell me which is weak by comparison with the other?

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  13. Rich Prick (1,721 comments) says:

    Will Cunliffe put on his serious face and grim voice and insist that Mr Goff has some very serious questions to answer? The media’s re-heating of Hager’s book each night is making the left look increasingly silly and unfit for purpose. The more I think about it, that dingy full of misguided idiots paddling about pointlessly was a serious statement of fact rather than a bit of comedy.

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  14. Sporteone (49 comments) says:

    Why is Goff getting so much traction on this issue. He has been proved to be a ‘fibber’ but still wants to carry on with it. Why isn’t the MSM hooking into him and making squirm the way they are with JK.

    I find it very strange that he attempted to manipulate the system to his advantage and got caught. Where is the apology from him and for that matter Cunliffe. Maybe Goff should be sacked for what he has done. Unbelievable.

    Labour and the other parties have very short memories. When Clarke was the PM there were some pretty disgusting things that she and her MP’s did, right down to creating false documents to cover David Parker, speeding and saying she had nothing to do with it and the list goes on.

    How about we get on with an election and the media get on with the job they are supposed to do and that is report the truth and no manipulate the facts to create headlines.

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  16. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Nookin
    You’ve got that all wrong. He wasn’t a Minister of the Crown and he didn’t ‘spike’ the story. The information was released and did indeed show that Goff had been mistaken (at best; lying at worst). He took public lumps for that.
    This post from DPF is indeed a pretty weak sideshow.

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  17. IGM (522 comments) says:

    Goff will be exposed, along with his peers, as sewer rats, with the integrity of rodents. It also pisses me off to see scumbag public servants on this post attempting to smear JK in a vain attempt to protect the biggest weasel ever to lead Labour . . . Goff.

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  18. Chuck Bird (4,924 comments) says:

    Will, John Key call Phil Goff a liar – I doubt it? He or someone else will point out the facts and let those with an open mind decide. The few remaining Labour loyalist will not even look at the evidence. For a senior MP to call another MP a liar even if the evidence is overwhelming seems to many unbecoming a PM or an aspiring PM.

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  19. oldpark (377 comments) says:

    With the secret hidden scandal whirling around Cunliffe,he has enough on his plate to worry about.If only face saving from a manifest lying little pest,like Goff, was the only concern, he would sleep easy.perhaps some well known legal eagle could come to his aid.

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  20. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    hahahahahaha – apparently its ok when the left does it!

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  21. Lance (2,712 comments) says:

    @mjw
    So someone didn’t want to deal with the MSM face to face?
    Who can blame him, they are scum.

    I saw just how scummy they could get a number of years ago. That particular instance was a TV3 crew but I can’t imagine the rest are any better.

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  22. lastmanstanding (1,300 comments) says:

    Wow What a surprise. A lying Left wing Scum Bag. Gee. Never thought that would happen.

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  23. Fletch (6,490 comments) says:

    Maybe he was de-briefed, which is the same as pantsed.

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  24. Nookin (3,462 comments) says:

    Mikenmild.

    I think you are confused. The article which I quoted is an old article written by Nicky Hager. He discusses previous abuses of power. One such incident involved East Timor. The relevant Minister at the time was Mr Goff. If we were to read the article (to help you I would point out that I have copied and pasted the entire relevant extract) we would see that he is referred to as “the minister”. We would also see that “the minister” (and I repeat that it was Mr Goff) reluctantly released the information requested and posted it on Friday night (knowing it would take some days to arrive) while, at the same time, causing a multitude of copies to be hand delivered to the press gallery on Friday. This is what you call “spiking the story”.

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  25. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @penny

    You may find rational questions get rational answers. (Your case excepted)

    But for the hell of it:

    Is Phil Goff a liar and bully? (hint this is a yes/no question)

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  26. Daniel (215 comments) says:

    For Goff to pressure a public servant to suppress information that should lawfully be released is atrocious. Clearly he must be relieved as spokesman from any portfolios. Now, is Cunliffe strong enough in Labour to sack Goff for this gross breach of the public trust? Or will Cunliffe be forced to kneel to Goff? I’m sure the media will be following this closely.

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  27. unaha-closp (1,180 comments) says:

    Spin spin spin – why is the party political, unregulated Office of the Prime Minister, whose role is NOT covered by statute, had anything to do with OIA requests / replies / or the SIS?

    Because they knew the answer would show Phil Goff to be lying. It is after all their job to point out the basic untrustworthiness of opposing parties.

    Who else is asking this question?

    How are you asking this question?

    For years you’ve been telling us that you are withholding rates payment solely due to the lack of movement on your own politically motivated info requests and lack of replies. You have stated many, many times that this is an attempt to coerce action out of Auckland City.

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  28. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    m@tt (604 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    You are 100% correct. Key and Goff are both proven liars, they both should resign.

    What’s the due date for Goff to off? I’ll lay even money that Goff will still be in parliament long after Key has retired. Goff has few other options apart from his rental properties that he was double dipping on.

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  29. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Sorry Nookin – I thought you were referring to the SIS story.

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  30. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    I think it’s a bit of a stretch to claim that Goff tried to ‘suppress’ the information if all he asked for was a delay of one week in its publication.

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  31. xy (189 comments) says:

    I think trading dredging up a Phil Goff scandal for catching the PM lying on camera is a pretty good deal for Labour.

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  32. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,070 comments) says:

    ‘This is big news!’ said people in the alternate reality where Goff was still opposition leader and the PM hadn’t been caught lying to the country in the same news story.

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  33. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    This is mostly trivial and inconsequential – yet another sideshow. Duncan Garner points out reality:

    Voters are looking for something else to talk about. I’ve been in David Cunliffe’s electorate today. So many voters told me they think all politics is dirty and all politicians don’t tell the truth. A number of people told me they don’t care for the Dirty Politics book or care for dirt at all. They are sick of it.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Duncan-Garner-How-big-will-National-go-on-Sunday/tabid/674/articleID/52954/Default.aspx

    Whale Oil. Whaledump, Hager, it’s all sidetracking from the election. And probably driving more people away from an interest in politics and from voting.

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  34. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @mikenmild

    I think it’s pretty reasonable assume Goff tried to ‘suppress’ the information and all he got was a delay of one week in its publication.

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  35. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Danyl, What’s your address? I’ll send you a tampon.

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  36. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    But it’s not over yet, Q & A are focusing on dirty politics along with DPF, Mike Williams and Winston Peters. That could be interesting, depending on how they examine it.

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  37. oldpark (377 comments) says:

    Also on a radio station with listeners in the margin of error is a Neville Nobody has been ,who yesterday was heard as he held hands with Goff denigrating our PM and calling him a liar.He has laid himself and his station open to a Libel claim for assassination of our PMs good name.He and his Canadian owned radio station,should be afraid ,very afraid.

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  38. Inky_the_Red (761 comments) says:

    The average OIA to the SIS takes 23 working days. 5 days seems very quick especially as similar OIA was refused to Fairfax

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  39. Sarkozygroupie (208 comments) says:

    Goff should not have forced a Department to delay. This was an OIA request to the SIS, NOT to the Minister. The Minister therefore did not have any jurisdiction over the request as it had not been transferred to his Office under the OIA by the Chief Executive. There were no grounds under the OIA for withholding the briefing, other than those parts that were presumably redacted under Sections 6 or 9 of the Act.

    He then clearly stated that a neutral Departmental Head was ‘indulging in politics’ by releasing the briefing. The only person ‘indulging in politics’ by applying pressure to influence the outcome of an OIA request was the execrable piece of shit, Goff. He knew very well he could not get the SIS to permanently withhold the response because he had no legal jurisdiction over it.

    What year was this again? I would posit that delaying the release by one week possibly meant the House had risen for a two or three week recess and there would have been no chance to question Goff in the House until weeks later when the House resumed sitting.

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  40. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    ‘no chance to question Goff in the House’ – he wasn’t a Minister, so would not have faced questions in the House.
    I also don’t see how he ‘forced a Department to delay’. What force could he apply? He held no authority over the SIS.

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  41. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    It was in July/August 2011, Goff wasn’t a Minister, he was Leader of the Opposition.

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  42. All_on_Red (1,644 comments) says:

    Pete
    Do you think Williams will reminisce about the good ol dumpster diving days and those hot summer days spent going through share registries. He’s such a hypocrite.

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  43. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @mikenmild

    If you believe the Leader of the opposition has no clout then……

    a)You’re patently wrong, he got a week’s delay
    &
    b) I’ve this nice bridge to sell you.

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  44. Sarkozygroupie (208 comments) says:

    Thanks Pete George for the year clarification, and the position that placed him i.e. outside of Govt).

    Mikenmild, being the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t exempt you from being questioned in the House. Think Shearer and the dead fish.

    And as for pressuring the SIS, he himself admits he got the SIS to delay a week!

    He is nothing but a fucking Hamas Hugger.

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  45. altiora (279 comments) says:

    @ Inky_the_Red: not necessarily. The comparison is erroneous. Media frequently engage in fishing trips, or else are very vague in what they are requesting such that they could be asking for a huge number of documents. WO by contrast, and whatever his many faults, is usually extremely precise with his OIA requests. The more precise the request, the faster it will be processed.

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  46. IGM (522 comments) says:

    Sarkozy: He isn’t a Hamas hugger, he kissed Yassar Arafat in public . . . Goff is lower than a snake. A real dangerous and envious bastard . . . not worthy of the lowest adjective.

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  47. Richard (871 comments) says:

    Now, now- Goff isn’t the story here, it’s about KEY ,KEY, KEY! There will be no deviation from the narrative!
    Cunliffe has already said he’s expecting people to run to Labour”..in drove’s..” thanks to Hagers Big Bumper Boys Book of Innuendo. He’s counting on it. Desperately. Without this stuff all the Left have is…well..nothing really.

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  48. emmess (1,432 comments) says:

    The average OIA to the SIS takes 23 working days. 5 days seems very quick especially as similar OIA was refused to Fairfax

    What does that means?
    For example
    90% are with 20-25 working days
    OR
    90% are under 30 days but some outliers can take years

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  49. Inky_the_Red (761 comments) says:

    From memory I think the mean was just over 23 days. The median was about 20. The second quickest was 8. The longest was 54 days

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  50. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    I believe JK any day over Goff, mainly as he is prepared to go under oath to say he was not briefed personally.

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  51. MH (813 comments) says:

    let him be debriefed and defrocked.

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  52. stroker08 (9 comments) says:

    Question? Why wouldn’t JK simply present the Goff briefing notes document in the house to discredit him?

    Answer. Because the MSM wouldn’t have given two shits and it would have been edited out of the 10 second highlight reel at the 6pm news.

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  53. Bob (497 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t John Key tell them all to go jump – refuse to answer questions unless they are related to the election or policy. I was horrified to hear an interview with Radio NZ when the interviewer was yelling at Key. As is his manner Key was staying calm trying to give explanations. In the past if Rob Muldoon had been talked to like that he would have torn the interviewer to shreds. Even Helen Clark would have put the interviewer in his place.

    I get the impression National’s opponents are trying to keep the dirt flowing to deprive National of the chance to discuss the real issues of the election knowing they can’t say much to dent National’s record. I think Key will come into his own in the leaders debate.

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  54. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    And yet Tv3 news interviews Goff who rants about Key but the journalist doesn’t have the balls to confront Goff with how he lied over and over again as he was briefed

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  55. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Agree Bob. After this weekends launch and the debate Key will rally

    Journalists are already forecasting that the hacker will do a mass release of emails on Sunday to coincide with Nationals launch

    It will show whether MSM has any integrity left at all. Will they start the news bulletin with Nationals policy’s and campaign launch or spent the first 10 minutes on the inevitable protests and hacker releases

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  56. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    I have to hand it to Goff, he’s really proved to me that Cun’liffe is actually a better leader.

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  57. Mr_Blobby (189 comments) says:

    This is an interesting one.

    You have to sign a secrecy pledge
    Not allowed any witnesses.
    Not allowed to take notes.
    Not allowed to take any papers away.

    In effect the briefing never happened.

    A bit like the clean slate act it never happened.

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